The D’Backs have started exchanging names with teams about possible Dan Haren trades and the Tigers, Yankees, Phillies, Cardinals and Twins appear to have varying degrees of interest in the righty. That’s just the abbreviated version of what we heard yesterday, but there’s more. The D’Backs’ asking price? High-quality major league-ready pitching. With that in mind, here are today’s Dan Haren rumors, with more to come:
- Updating his earlier story, Magruder quotes Hall, the D'Backs CEO, as saying: "There are some other teams involved that have deals of at least equal value out there. I would not categorize the Yankees as a front-runner."
- In a piece for FOXSportsArizona.com, Jack Magruder notes that the Yankees aren't one of the teams that require Haren's approval. Magruder also suggests a trade with the Yanks could involve New York taking on other players that the D'Backs would like to move, such as Aaron Heilman, Chad Qualls, or Chris Snyder.
- D'Backs' CEO Derrick Hall tells Piecoro (Twitter link) that there's no clear front-runner for Haren and reiterates "nothing [is] imminent." However, most reports still indicate that the Yanks are the favorite. AOL FanHouse's Frankie Piliere (via Twitter) and Morosi both hear that Ivan Nova could be a key piece in a Haren trade with New York.
- Expanding on his earlier tweet, Price hears that nothing is imminent between the Yankees and Arizona, but that the D'Backs "seem determined" to move Haren before his next start on Tuesday.
- According to Rosenthal, the Yankees appear to be the front-runners for Haren now, with the D'Backs telling clubs that they're in "advanced negotiations" with one team. Ed Price of AOL FanHouse adds (via Twitter) that the Cardinals may be out of the Haren sweepstakes.
- The Yankees are actively talking to the D’Backs about Haren, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com. If the Yanks can acquire Haren for prospects, Stark says they are poised to accelerate talks.
- The Cardinals aim to add an innings-eater this summer, though not necessarily an ace, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
- The Tigers and Twins, who both have interest in Haren, are on his no-trade list, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Haren would also have to approve a trade to the Rays or Reds. Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported that the Twins were on Haren's list.
- The D'Backs have told rival teams that they are intent on moving Haren before the deadline, according to Olney (via Twitter).
- MLB executives tell ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that the D’Backs seem much more willing to deal Haren these days. Some talent evaluators believe the Tigers would have a tough time building an offer for Haren without including pitching prospect Jacob Turner.
- A D'Backs source tells Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic that expectations have shifted and it seems more likely that the D'Backs will trade Haren.
How about we move the “high quality” part to the prospects….Blanton, Singleton, Trevor May for Haren.
C’MON DO IT! please?
You’d have to flip Blanton for prospects first, most likely. I doubt the Diamondbacks, trading away an ace, would want to acquire an expensive mid rotation starter in Blanton.
Yeah I meant it completely tongue-in-cheek, no one wants Blanton right now
Phillies arent moving Singleton.
As a Phillies fan, I’d rather have him than Oswalt. I want him!
I, as a phils fan, would also rather have Haren. What do you think it would take to get him?
I’m sure the D Backs would start with Dom Brown, but the Phils will never do that.(fingers crossed hoping they won’t) I’m sure a package around Haap, Kendrick, and a low level prospect or two would get it done. Chris Singelton maybe?
If Werth goes out a Type A FA, he could be used in the trade. The draft picks would be helpful with Arizona trying to reload.
pretty sure dbacks would never agree to that. they do not need werth as a rental. contending teams do, i.e; the rays.
Yeah Werth would probably bring more value than the two draft picks from a contender anyway, even with his slump.
He’d need to go to the Rays for prospects, then flip those plus a smaller piece or two from the Phils for Haren.
They can’t trade both Happ and Kendrick. Moyer just went out indefinitely, possibly done forever. Trading those two would leave a four man rotation with no viable internal option (please don’t say Worley). I think Happ, Gose, and Singleton (blocked by Howard) is enough to get the D’Backs to at least start listening.
or possibly a prospect that the phils get from trading werth (assuming they do so).
Of course that’s a possibility. If they do trade Werth, however, it could just replenish whichever prospects they send to AZ. It would be a net result of zero, but not necessarily a three way deal, if that makes sense.
Yeah, don’t really see how they don’t trade Werth. Kinda glad it is his FA year at this point in time since he allows the phils can ultimately get a new starting pitcher without depleting the farm system.
I hear what you’re saying about both Haap and Kendrick, but to me it seems like his ship has sunk with the Phillies and they’re probably tired of waiting for him to be something useful. Do you think Carpenter would be much worse than Kendrick? I say give him a shot to see what he has.
You’re right. KK will never be more than a serviceable AAA pitcher. I guess Carpenter couldn’t do much worse. All of their promising pitching prospects are in high A ball, so it’ll be a few years before we see them. Tough spot they’re in now that this season played out the exact opposite way from what was expected.
Yeah, they just fired their hitting coach for lack of offense. If they end up trading Werth for prospects, and don’t get a pitcher, then you know the Phillies are waving the white flag.
On a plus note, if the Phils do make a deal, I heard Baseball America has the Phillies Low Level Minor League players rated the highest in MLB.
Yeah that BA thing was in a blog post a couple days ago…I can’t remember the exact quote, but it was something to the effect of, “no team in baseball has more talent on their A-ball teams than the Phillies.”
Yup…I heard the same thing about the Low-A prospects. I just wait until Baseball America reveals how many good young players the Phillies have stashed away in Little League and T-Ball!
From a Baseball America chat today:
Ben (Leland Grove): If you had to pick one team’s farm system as the most impressive overall at present, who would it be and why?
Matthew Eddy: I’m really coming around on the Royals. I liked Moustakas, Hosmer, Myers and Lamb perhaps more than most coming into the year, and they certainly have done nothing to extinguish that flame this year. The Braves and Phillies would also have to be in the discussion, but what separates the Royals is the two elite hitters at the upper levels.
Unless they flip Werth to Tampa for Wade Davis. Then you give Happ and kendrick
I still don’t understand anyone saying that Singleton is blocked by Howard. The kid is only 18 years old and one of the top low-level prospects in the system. The guy that is blocked by howard is matt rizzoti who is raking this year in AA (.347 15hr 56rbi)
I hope we go for Brown but Happ/KK plus prospects would prob be enough. I heard on the radio here that AZ has big interest in Happ plus this team has been desperate for a quality young lefty for years.
what do you mean go for brown? lol
what do you mean go for brown? lol
To me, the Haren situation seems like the perfect fit for a 3 way trade, for example, if my Oakland Athletics got into the mix.
The Diamondbacks want Pitching back, preferably near or MLB pitching that is good and under team control for a while. Potential suitors are likely more interested in gaining said pitching rather than giving it away, and perhaps are also better at producing offense than pitching, which would be one reason necessitating Haren’s acquisition. It would make sense if a third team, for example as I said, the A’s, who have a lot of pitching but need offense, to jump into the trade and provide the pitching aspect for the Dbacks, get offensive pieces back, and allow the third team to make away with Haren.
Oakland does have an impressive array of ML ready pitchers like Mazarro, Outman, and Gonzalez. I would be surprised if Oakland got involved, bit it would fit.
I gave Oakland as an example because they are the team I follow, and thus know that they have a lot of pitching depth (and a major Offensive need), but any third team that fulfills that requirement could be used.
Can anyone else think of a team that has pitching depth that they’d like to convert to offense? After all, this is the perfect opportunity for such, since Prospect for Prospect trades are so rare (which is what made the Garza trade so surprising at the time).
The Marlins perhaps? The Giants? Mariners?
The Giants could probably use Werth atm, so they would be a logical choice.
I remember that Beane was high on Danny Valencia and wanted him for Orlando Cabrera. Perhaps a 3-way deal with MN/Oak/AZ? Arizona gets pitching from Oakland and Minnesota, Oakland gets Valencia and some other prospects from MN and MN gets Haren. Could it work?
i think that could work. the Twinkie fans up here would like it.
Its possible. Its also possible that the deal with Valencia may also be expanded to include Kouzmanoff in that case, since the Twins would presumably need a 3B as well (or am I far behind on the 3B/Twins situation).
No, I think you are on the right track with that idea… Maybe include someone like Ben Revere?
Something like: Valencia and Revere to Oakland, Outman and Slowey to Arizona, Kouzmanoff and Haren to Minnesota
We’re giving up Valencia, Revere, and Slowey for Haren and Kouzmanoff?? I think Oakland runs away with this deal.
“Some talent evaluators believe the Tigers would have a tough time building an offer for Haren without including pitching prospect Jacob Turner.”
Duh… These guys get paid for doing this…?
Anyway, the Tigers farm system is virtually barren of “top tier” prospects. Since the D’Backs are looking for premium talent, the Tigers would have to give up premium talent (duh). Jacob Turner, being one of the few “premium talent” players in their system would be a start. If the Tigers do deal for Haren (doubtful), it would be a major coup if Turner or Porcello (not both, so… it might not get done) are NOT in the deal.
Seriously, do you think DD is going to go up to the D’Backs GM and say, “Hey, so, no Turner or Porcello, but, hey! you can have Furbush! and Villarreal! No? What do you mean you don’t want a #3 starter and a reliever? That’s some of the best talent we got after Turner and Porcello. Darn.”
One or the other..but no way DD will give up both Rick AND Jacob. They both have ace-caliber potential, and the Tigers made it clear this past off season they are looking to contend this year AND the next several…hence why they paid Cabrera and Verlander craploads of cash for several years.
Like the Redwings, Illitch builds the team to contend every year. They wont empty their pitching pockets just to score a guy for the 2nd half.
//They wont empty their pitching pockets just to score a guy for the 2nd half.//
Not even if that guy has two more years, plus an option?
I could see both Turner and Porcello leaving if they also got Drew from Arizona. But that seems unlikely.
Also, Leyland would think it’s horses**t.
doubt Porcello gets moved. He is under control for less money more years than Haren. Porcello has the talent to match Haren’s success in the MLB.
I’m not opposed to trading Turner but I don’t see the Tigers being able to match what other teams can offer.
Guess moving Porcello depends on whether or not the Tigers think three or so years of Haren is worth more/less than five years of Porcello.
My hope the Twins can find a 3rd team to send Wilson Ramos to and then the Twins could send out a package of something like Slowey, Ramos (too a 3rd team that sends more pitching to Arizona) and then maybe even another highly regarded prospect Ben Revere as a package to get Haren.
The Reds have a wide range of young pitchers. Volquez, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Maloney, Klinker, LeCure, Wood, et al. With Harang and Arroyo possibly gone at the end of the year, there’s some financial room for Haren (though Votto, Bruce, Cueto, Phillips, and Volquez all do raises).
I would really like to see the tigers make a move on haren for a few reasons. one of them being, how often will our team feature a legitamte MVP candidate (Cabrera), TWO ROY candidates (Boesch, AJAX), a closer having a more dominant year than mariano rivera (valverde), and a frontline starter in verlander? As poorly as we have played since the break we sit only 2 GB…at this point my only untouchable is rick porcello. a rotation of verlander, haren, scherzer, and porcello at the first 4 slots is pretty tempting. if the tigers managed to squeak into the postseason, their pitching would give them a real shot to advance against any team. not to mention haren is not just a rental pitcher, and his price should drop a bit due to his poor season by his standards. time to pull the trigger DD
You could make the same argument for the Twins…
I would really like to see the Twins make a move on Haren for a few reasons. One of them being that our team features 2 ACTUAL MVPs (Morneau and mauer) one of which could repeat (Morneau), a breakout season from a former #1 pick (Young), a starter having a more dominant year than CC Sabathia (Liriano), and a frontline starter in Pavano? As poorly as we have played since the break we sit only 2 GB…at this point my only untouchable is Kyle Gibson. A rotation of Liriano, Haren, Pavano, and Baker at the first 4 slots is pretty tempting. If the Twins managed to squeak into the postseason, their pitching would give them a real shot to advance against any team, not to mention Haren is not just a rental pitcher. Time to pull the trigger Bill Smith!
ok cool? too bad the twins are showing minimal interest due to them being on harens no-trade list. im saying this for the tigers because they have a real shot at getting him, obviously he makes the twins much better also, no need to reply like a jacka** about it.
That was a legitimate reply actually…
The no trade list could be waived, they are showing interest.
Now, where is a White Sox fan to make this ‘fight’ interesting?
They are looking for a bat (Dunn or Fielder) not pitching
Darn.
care to back that up with a link? i saw on here that they showed minimal interest, and obviously the list can be waived, but from the blogs and tweets, it says the yanks, tigers, phillies, and cards are the main teams involved. im sure every team has some degree of interest and are inquiring on him, but do you have anything else besides pure speculation?
haha nvm, il eat my words on that one. as soon as i refresh the page it says the twins and tigers are both interested but on his ‘list’.
I think either team would have to guarantee his option year. Also, let’s be honest, this is all speculation…
He also indicated a willingness to waive the no trade clause for the “right situation”. What that means, who knows?
very true. who knows what any of this stuff really means. all it does is get fans all hyped up and coming up with reasons why THEIR team is the perfect fit.
As a Phillies fan, I prefer Haren to Oswalt. Haren is younger and will cost you less (let’s assume Oswalt only accepts a trade to the Phillies if they pick up his option).
Haren has about $3.5 million due in the rest of 2010 and $12.75 million in 2011 and 2012 (total of $29 million)
Oswalt has about $7 million due for the rest of 2010 and $16 million in 2011 and 2010 (total of $39 million)
The stats, just for fun:Dan Haren 86-70 (.551 winning%) / 3.71 ERA / 1.20 WHIPTurns 30 in SeptemberRoy Oswalt 143-81 (.638 winning%) / 3.22 ERA / 1.19 WHIPTurns 33 in August
I dont see the Phillies giving up any of their top 5 prospects in the minors. I think a deal on the table could be…
JA Happ
Trevor May or JC Ramirez
Anthony Gose
Harold Garcia / Matt Rizzoti
thats runner up ROY and 3 top 10 prospects.
“The D’Backs’ asking price? High-quality major league-ready pitching.”
If I had this on my team why would I trade it for Haren?
//Some talent evaluators believe the Tigers would have a tough time building an offer for Haren without including pitching prospect Jacob Turner.//
No way.
Yes way. For two reasons
1) Turner is still at LEAST 1 year away from being ready. He’s going to be very good in all likelihood but still that is one or two years down the road you HOPE Turner will turn into the level of pitcher Haren is NOW.
2) The Tigers have a bunch of money coming off the books next year. If they get Haren and after Verlander’s raise is taken care of, assuming they dont resign Bondo, Inge, Laird, Miner, Seay, Damon, that leaves around 37 Million dollars per year to work with. They can use than money to bring in at least 2 quality bats and a 3rd so so with good gloves to take care of SS, C, and 3B. The Tigers time to make a serious run is NOW. DD has a great record of finding pitching gems in the draft so you get Haren for Turner and you enjoy 2-3 years of Verlander, Haren, Scherzer, Porcello while you reload your farm with hard throwers. By that time even if you haven’t gotten good arms you can flip one of the big arms for quality pitching.
Tigers offer
Turner (1-2 years ML ready)
Galarraga (ML ready)
Weinhardt (ML ready)
No Oliver or Furbush?
Looks like they’d have to get him to waive his no trade clause to come to Detroit anyway. Maybe Max Scherzer could appeal to him.
i cant see how galarraga has any trade value especially for a guy like haren. more like as verlander stated, furbish or oliver to replace him, if not both…
Also my comment was meant to be sarcastic.
Phils will ship Happ or Kendrick, and the rest of the package will be built around whether they want to give up more prospects and kendrick, or less prospects and happ.
I think scott Mathieson or Drew Carpenter could be involved, too.
Gut feeling that we’re going to have a lot of “drama” all the way until 3 PM on July 31st.
I’m a Yankee fan speaking here, and I was just wondering why the Yankees want Haren? He does not have very good numbers this year, and Andy Pettite will be coming back soon. If we do acquire him, then we have 6 starters for 5 slots, and all of them (except maybe Burnett right now) will be deserving. The Yankees need relief pitching and an upgrade to their bench, not another starter.
It’s pretty simple: Yanks need a starter and to fortify the pen. Hughes is on an innings limit this year but is a lights out set-up man. Haren fills in for Andy until he returns…then Phil goes to the pen and Haren takes that spot in the rotation.
Umm, next year. Pettitte is most likely going to retire and Pettitte will be out for 4-5 weeks. Vazquez is not resigning. So next years rotation is CC, Burnett, Lee, Haren, and Hughes. Plus I think Haren has been trying way too hard the past few years, since the D’backs give him no run support. Which is why he pitches so many innings, he wants to win and give his team a chance. If he comes to the Yanks, he can relax, because he has an offense behind him.
As a Dbacks fan, I would love the following, I think DET and Philly are the ones who will get him:
DET- A package with Drew for Porcello, Furbush, Oliver, Weinhardt and maybe a low prospect. We have Ciraciao at SS ready, and you have a big need. AZ gets 3 guys to fill in the rotation with Parker and Enright for the future and gets a hard throwing arm in the pen.
Phily- Haren for Happ, Mathieson, Aumont, and Mayberry Jr. AZ gets a starter, 2 bullpen arms and a LF who can platoon with Parra who can bomb at Chase Field. Problem is Philly’s pitchers are not that young.
Tough one…but I dont think MIN, NYY, or STL match up with us at all. Cincy may if they have interest becuase of their young arms like Bailey, Wood, etc that could go, but I dont see that happening.
I hope
Qualls, Heilman, LaRoche, and Kelly Johnson and maybe Chris Snyder may all get dealt soon, so alot of major league ready or close to talent will be on the way. Look for AZ to get alot of arms for the pen in these trade. Position players are talented and locked in. We have Brandon Allen to take over 1B and Ciracio at SS and Abreau at 2B, Dbax need arms in the pen in the worst way.
So, the Phils are to give up FOUR young players AND eat 30+ MILL in salary for a pitcher with a high 4’s ERA in the NL??? LOL!!! You are GROSSLY overvaluing Haren here dude….and also the fact that ARZ wants to dump his salary.
Honestly the players after Happ in this deal are very average.
I’m not a Phils fan, but I do hear Aumont has a cannon. However, ARZ has very little leverage here and the other execs know this. This is a last place place team in sell now mode…with a pitcher having a horrible year and being owed a ton of money. They will either get a few good prospects and rid themselves of all of his financial obligation or send Haren with a Brinks truck to get a better package. Not going to get top prospects AND have the other team eat all of the money. At least, not from a smart GM. (but since we’re talking about Amaro…..??)
I agree with you on the people on here over valuing Haren right now for the prospects being dealt after Happ or Kendrick. A small market team freeing themselves of that money gives them a lot less leverage. If they can pull 4 players for Haren then they should be doing it. But I think the Phillies would do the deal proposed here.
Aumont has ridiculous natural movement on his 94-98 sinking FB and a power 12-6 curve that’s BRUTAL, but he’s got major problems with control. It’s down the middle, or in the dugout. It’s not completely his fault…the M’s changed his arm slot to make him a power reliever, then the Phils changed him back to make him a starter again. He’s only 20 though, and it LOOKS like he’s starting to figure it out again. K’d 13 in 6ip last week, guys hitting under .200 off him.Mathieson’s a 95+ flamethrower…but he’s 25 and this is his first season back from his SECOND Tommy John. He’s dominated AAA as closer.Mayberry Jr. is a Pedro Cerano, decent defensive LF though. He’s like 26? I think.Happ is..well, you know who Happ is probably.Only Aumont would be in the Phils’ Top 10; probably in the 8-10 area.
Disqus has an issue with linking…but trust me. take two seconds and Google ” a brief look at Phillippe Aumont” It’s him facing Wright and Chipper at the WBC…the movement is frightening. You can see why he has control issues!
YOUNG? Phillies prospects are older that is why it would take all of them.
as a tiger fan, i do not want to see us trade for drew, or any shortstop for that matter. to me that would be making a trade just for the sake of trading. in worth and santiago, we have 2 good defensive shortstops with the ability to hit for around .270 with decent speed on the basepaths. i dont see how it is necessary to give up even more prospects when we have 2 serviceable guys who can get the job done. all i want is haren.
If Dbacks insist on Porcello it won’t happen, I can see Turner & Oliver plus a couple B’s but Detroits rotation needs Porcello in it and he needs to perform. Gman and Bondo aren’t getting it done and one of them needs to go. If Porcello has another shaky start they need to look at standing pat or selling.
Galarraga has options plus he could be a candidate along with Crosby, (Oliver, Furbush) to take over Bondermans spot in the rotation next year since It will be highly unlikly the Tigers would resign him. That being said, if the Tigers aquire Haren, don’t be surprised to see Bonderman’s name on the trade block if there is time left before the deadline.
So Detroit would get Drew and Haren for
Porcello
Furbush
Oliver
Weinhart
and say Fien?
Throw in a low level LH prospect from Arizona system and its tempting but that is giving up 2 LH good arms. I would still like to deal Turner over Porcello simply becuase The Tigers need to win starting now. I would be harder for them to wait for Turner to come along in 2012 while they are signing players in the offseason to win next year.
It makes no sense that they include Porcello if they want to Win now. With Scherzer , Porcello , Verlander & Haren it makes them the favourite for the central. If it happens Oliver & Turner are the center peice. You don’t do this deal unless you know it will give you your best shot at the post season.
Switch Turner for Porcello and you have yourself a deal mister.
Switch Turner for Porcello and you have yourself a deal mister.
I see the Yankees have been mentioned but with no possible trade scenarios. Possibly Mccallister, nova, melancon and adams gets the deal done?
I should have stressed “fairly close to mlb ready.” most likely translating to a early/mid 2012 callup, depending on that spring. obviously he’s being stretched out as a starter right now so there’s some bumps in the road and some time needed for him to learn how to be a starter. but yes if you’re talking about making him a back end of the bullpen guy, then he is much closer to being able to contribute in the bigs.
I look at Haren as a true 1-2 starter in the league, regardless of his below-average stats this year. Would you try to be competitive on this DBacks squad? Obviously his attitude towards this team is reflected in his stats. However, I’m not sure I like Arizona limiting themselves to a pitching only return. Why not acquire the best possible prospects and sign pitching next year. For instance, if the Twins want Haren, Aaron Hicks should be part of the deal. Hicks, a reliever and a prospect. Fair. Yankees want Haren, Montero and a similar package. Every team I’ve heard linked has a solid prospect list that would improve Arizona. Don’t tell me they wouldn’t prefer having an outfield of Upton/Young/Hicks as opposed to Parra/Gilliespe out there.
Haren getting dealt is 90% imo. Pitching in front of a terrible defense and the worst bullpen in major league history (literally) makes his decision pretty easy. Not that 10 mil isn’t enough to motivate a pitcher but i wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t demanding a trade to an actual MLB team. He’s pitched his arse off for us eating innings and raking at the plate. He’s our best player and has been for 3 years but the breakup is inevitable.
Not looking forward to dealing an ace w/ an interim GM. Snakes want nothing to do with Boras clients (Drew) and i wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved with Haren. Tigers and Phillies seem like the most realistic fit because Haren pitching for a team playing meaningful games would elavate both sides. I like Happ/Oliver but i’m a sucker for lefties. Hall’s thought process is getting at least 1 ML ready arm to appease the fans but we know this team isn’t contending anytime soon so it’s realistic that all parts will be prospects (which i’m fine with).
Tigers keeping Porcello could be enough to throw in both Oliver/Turner/Furbush if Drew is added. Those 3 could be ready w/ Parker in 2011. Abreu could fill in at SS until Ciriaco is ready.
Wow! A rare, rational thought from somebody on trade speculation. I am impressed. The only thing is, even with Drew included, I see Detroit being a little reluctant to give up Jacob Turner.
seriously? the tigers are most likely going to have to give turner if they are serious about getting haren. but haren AND drew? turner is gauranteed to be in there. as would be turner and furbish.
oliver and furbish**
I think the Tigers would trade Turner for Haren.
god i hope the yankees dont get haren. they have enough good pitching. go get westbrook or feldman instead……
has anyone heard anything about the angels and haren?
I hope the Yankees and Phillies don’t get Haren. I don’t care what Colin Cowherd says about the big markets have to always be doing good for a sport to suceed. If that’s the case, why bother even having small market teams? Why not just reduce the league to Boston, NY, Phillie, Chicago, St Louis, and LA?
This is silly, there isn’t any major league ready pitching talent that has 1-2 pitcher upside (“high quality”), that would actually be available for Haren. Hellickson, Bumgaurner, Porcello…these guys aren’t going to be traded for Haren. If they are, then that is a huge mistake by that team…why wouldn’t they just keep their high-quality, cost-controlled, major league ready talent?
Unless Arizona is willing to take a 3-4 upside pitcher like Happ and some A-ball prospects, there isn’t going to be a deal. St. Louis has Miller who isn’t close to ML ready, and the Tigers have Turner who again, isn’t close to the majors. I highly doubt Garcia or Porcello are going to be on the table for these teams…which is essentially what Arizona is asking for.
They need to lower their asking price, or Haren is going to stay in the desert.
i’m sure your right. sure, Dbacks FO is asking ALOT for Haren, and rightfully so. Remember, what our former, bone-head GM gave up to obtain haren in the first place- Brett Anderson, Carlos Gonzalez, Dana Eveland, Chris Carter, amongst others. So they aren’t gonna skim on a return on him this time.
Tigers? sadly, i’m sure the dbacks would want Porcello, Turner & a low level prospect in return. Too much? Then no Haren.
Phillies? Something along the likes of JA Happ, Drabek + 1-2 prospects. It is what it is. At least they arent asking for D Brown.
Cardinals? if you dont go after Oswalt, then we’d probably want something along the likes of Shelby Miller, Salas + prospects.
Should be interesting. Dbacks asking price went down slightly (No longer the REQUIREMENT for (2) MLB SP’s & (1) MLB RP)… but thats not to say Haren will just be given away.
Sorry, but ONE top tier prospect won’t get it done.
I’m super anxious to see who we get though.
Then hit FA for a veteran SP to round out our rotation and provide some guidence to our young arms (Ejax, Kennedy, Enright & Parker)
are you kidding me? turner AND porcello? not a shot. no chance. not at all. that would be rediculous to even ask for.
Drabek went to Toronto in the Halladay deal.
Drabek isn’t even with the Phillies anymore, The D’backs will never get Porcello and Turner for Haren, and those requests for any team wouldn’t happen. Haren is good, but no sense in giving up that kind of prospects for him. Keep him in AZ while the D’backs flounder. Granted every year the NL West can be won by any team, but you think Arizona wants to keep his contract around? Plus he is already on the table, which means GMs smell blood in the water. That lowered his value a bit.
Count me in as one of the fans not keen on seeing Haren in Pinstripes.
Well rosenthal just tweeted that Yanks are the frontrunners
who would the yankees part ways with though? surely not joba. not hughes. Maybe Arodys Vizcaino, Zach McAllister + additional prospects? I dunno.
I doubt they’d part w/ Montero, and well, we don’t need him anyway as we have a Montero of our own (Miguel).
Hmm. who else? Manny Banuelos?? Jackson?
i dunno.
this guy too is a possibility: David Phelps
web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?p…
David Phelps look his numbers up
I would be forced to hate Dan Haren if he puts up on pinstripes even after being a fan of him for so long. I’d prefer the Tigers or Cards.
Enjoy New York, Dan.
I hope AZ gets McCallister, Nova, Noessi, Melancon and Phelps. We dont need Adams or Montero….we will get some position help in trades for LaRoche, Drew, Qualls and Heilman.
verlander and haren was too good to be true
This is why we can’t have nice things.
i know right. foolish of me to get so hyped up about this. OF COURSE the yankees would steal him away. oh well, theyre probably just p*issed off they got stiffed out of ajax and coke for granderson 😉
What the point of watching baseball if the yankees can have everybody.Why cant the yankees trust their farm system.I dont hate the yankees but it hard liking them.
I hate the yanks, but they get guys from trades becuase of their great farm system. They have done a great job growing players.
the sad part is the yankees are actually incredibly good at developing players. mariano, jeter, gardner, posada, pettite, hughes, cano to name a few. the catch is they have the money to throw at ALL these guys once they hit their prime, while most smaller market teams wouldn’t be capable of keeping them all.
Any chance we can get back Coke and Ajax for Granderson.
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haha. i was one of the few tiger fans who were on board with that trade. granderson is a great guy, but at times infuriating to watch. another great move by DD
‘D’Backs telling clubs that they’re in “advanced negotiations” with one team’ = ‘improve your offers and he could be yours!’
lol, yeah but I’ve heard the Cards are out, and the Tigers could swoop in but I don’t think they’ll give up their studly young pitching.
You don’t think they’d part with Turner for Haren? Oliver? Furbush? Villarreal?
I am assuming Porcello is off limits but who knows? Ilitch could call up DD on his red phone and say, “They want Porcello for Haren? Do it.” Ilitch wants to win now, and he’s stepped in before (i.e. Cabrera). Don’t know how likely it is now, but you never know.
id give up anybody to get haren, except for porcello. hes the one guy i would keep no matter what. but turner? see ya. the way i see it, with all the cash comin off the books next yr for us, and assuming we make some big signing, wel be a true ‘win now’ team. turner realisticly wont be in our starting rotation until 2012. then give him 1-2 years to get the hang of pitching in the bigs, and your talkin 3-4 years where we COULD HAVE had a guy like dan haren, making us legit contenders.
Yeah I mean the D’backs could pull a Mariners and screw the Yanks over, we all know that nothing is certain.
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if that is what they were doing to get
St. Louis
Detroit
Philadelphia
to up their offers or be left to battle for Oswalt
Looking at the amount of hits and HR’s Haren has allowed I hope Rosenthal is wrong and its just bluster from Arizona for more offers on the table from other teams.
I don’t feel too cozy about Dan Haren looking at those amount of hits and HR’s and a 4.60 ERA in the NL West
His K:BB ratio is excellent. I think he just tries to hard, because the D’backs give him no support. You have to think next year too.
thats about the only thing excellent.
His xFIP is pretty excellent too…
Ugh to the Yanks? This better be smoke for DET/Philly to get serious (unless Hughes is available)
Please god, do not trade either Hughes or Montero for him, Cashman. Montero has caught fire in Triple A and is hitting to his ability, and Hughes is making progress (can’t expect him not to struggle with reaching this amount of innings after a long time). Just don’t do it-it’s not worth it.
Hughes won’t be in the package, think along McCallister, Nova, Phelps. Also they wouldn’t want Montero since they have Miguel Montero. Cashman wouldn’t move Hughes for Halladay or Santana who are better than Haren. Why would he give up Hughes now.
Right Right, I forgot about Miguel. Kid’s a stud.
Meh…I’m a bit cautious on giving up Nova. He looks very good. McAllister is doing pretty poorly at triple A.
Let me sum up every report by Ken Rosenthal: “Yankees are the frontrunners to acquire __________ (fill in the blank of any player on the block or FA).”
And coming from a Yanks fan, I will tell you that there isn’t one sensible Yanks fan that can stand him.
yeah its true, now he’s saying that the Yanks have partial interest in Royals guillen, which I could care less about. Also, in 2008 during a Fox game he said when he was off camera under his breath that the Yanks would get CC and Tex.
Maybe yankees could trade Joba. and a few prospects for him..
I know it would never happen, but heck, I’d pack Joba’s bags for him.
135 IP, 3.42 xFIP, 8.87 K/9, 1.8 BB/9, .351 BABIP (with the same batted ball data as he’s had in past years, so that’s due for regression)
Pretty damn good, right?
I’d take that in a heartbeat.
deals that are being proposed on here are superior to deals that were given for Halladay and Cliff Lee. Its actually comical at times.
That’s because, while Haren isn’t as good as either pitcher, he’s under control until 2013 at a reasonable cost. Lee and Halladay are/were under control just through 2010.
Not at a reasonable cost to the dbacks and everyone knows it. Dont be surprised when you hear the trade and youve only heard of 1 guy.
Why not? He’s an ace paid under market value.
Of course people will point to his August and September ERA.
But, for those of us that do actual homework, his peripherals are still great in those months.
Really? Give us Oliver/Turner and call it a day. D-Backs want a lefty or two even if they’re not ready this year. This franchise has been starving for a legit lefty for years, don’t forget this team actually traded for Dontrelle Willis.
//don’t forget this team actually traded for Dontrelle Willis.//
You raise a very compelling point.
Yeah, the D’Backs traded for Willis. But he cost Billy Buckner. And Buckner is just as bad as Willis.
dontrelle literally does more harm then good. to get ANYBODY for dontrelle was a steal. i dont care who he is. i was laughing for days when the dbacks actually traded for the guy.
Billy Buckner does more harm than good too…
Willis can at least get lefties out.
I’m just glad Buckner is doing his thing in Toledo and not Detroit.
not exactly. will buckner get called up and pitch for us? no. will dontrelle walk 6 batters while lasting 4 innings and kill the bullpen? every time my friend, every time.
Buckner can’t even get minor leaguers out, let alone major leaguers. At least Dontrelle can get SOME MLB hitters out.
Dontrelle might not be able to make it out of the fourth due to wildness, but neither can Buckner. And that’s just due to sheer suckiness.
My point is that Willis is actually better than Buckner, not what their presence on the roster brings.
i could care less if buckner could get MLB hitters out. the guy is organizational depth. just to fill out the roster. my point is that willis will single handedly lose you a game, and destroy your bullpen for the next day; and how shocking it was to see the dbacks actually trade for him when he should have cleared waivers and they could have just signed him to a minor lg deal, like the giants.
Well, in Willis’s defense, our bullpen is already destroyed. They’re giving up the lead no matter who started the game before. There’s nothing that he can do more to mess it up.
lol fair enough
I will say this much though, these guys inthe Yankee system are at an age when they have to get a shot at the big league level
Ivan Nova is 23
Mcalister is 22
Phelps is 23
So those guys are at a point where they need to be tried out at the big league level, they don’t want to be lifetime minor leaguers.
They aren’t starting for
Sabathia
Burnett
Hughes
and the Yankees will more than likely pursue a free agent starter on the market if Pettitte retires and Vazquez isn’t brought back.
So where do those young guys fit.
I have seen Phelps numbers and it is insane career WHIP of 1.1 in the minors, 3.85 K to BB ratio
Don’t know if I would want to see him go for Dan Haren.
To be honest, I’d make the trade if they asked for Phelps. It would probably be him and maybe a b level prospect if we assume all the money on his contract, perhaps 2 B’s.
On the other hand, Phelps could probably be great out of the pen for the Yanks if he’s kept and they don’t have a rotation spot for him come next year.
Voodoo?
I guess voodoo is another word for, actually reliable major league stats.
It seems like it will be Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova, and Zach McAllister.
One more player might be added.
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I would like that era to come down especially the AL East. But I think they are looking on to next year especially if Pettitte retires, they let Javy go and If they don’t Get Lee. Atleast they will have a starting four in Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, Haren and maybe Nova or somebody else to eat innings.
Good point Larry, we’re probably forcing Laroche on whoever takes Danny. I don’t like it, it brings Danny’s value down.
The fact is you are horribly misinformed.
Yeah, maybe you should post less. THOSE ARE HIS ACTUAL NUMBERS.His xFIP, which is Fielding Independent pitching. In other words, how good the pitcher is minus his unluckiness and how bad his defense is.His K%. How many he strikes out. His BB%. How many he walks.ERA IS, in fact, luck based.Those aren’t estimates or guesses. those are facts. Stats. Ones that are more advanced than W/L record and ERA. The game has evolved a bunch since that crap.You’re either trolling, or very uninformed and living in the distant past. I’m not sure.
Who is this Nova kid? He had pretty good numbers in AAA but nothing overpowering. Upside?
Actually from from what I’m reading (granted it was from before this season) it was that he has the upside of a 3rd starter if his breaking ball + control continue to improve. I don’t see that as a good centerpiece for Haren imo.
i dont really know anything about him. i dont think hes as big of a prospect as jacob turner, so i think this deal is there for the taking if dave dombrowski wants it. but again, i dont know anything about the yankees farm system outside of montero so i could be very wrong.
they have pretty good farm actually, Nova is probably closest to the majors, they consider calling in up to start when pettitte went down but chose to got with Mitre. McCallister was their No.5 prospect according to Baseball America pre-season. However, the guy to look out for is David Phelps. Go to Scranton’s website and look at his stats throughout his minors career.
Yeah I was just looking up Phelps and a groundball pitcher striking more than 1 per inning is a very good combination. Just based on stats I’d want him more than Nova but Arizona needs pitchers near the majors.
idk either because I know mostly about the Sox system but I know another name thrown out there (McAllister) also doesn’t have that great of an upside either.
The problem with McAllister is that he lacks an outpitch. Otherwise he would have a lot more potential than he does now.
AMEN. I hate when all of these people on this website start throwing out those BABIP and FIP and other crap stats.
Lol at the half-assed division comment. Not to say the rest of it wasn’t funny, but that was hilarious. You’re a funny man.
Using “LOL!!!!” at everything and name calling is childish. Also, being totally ignorant to more advanced and accurate stats are too.
One for the road….peripheral stats and stats that include things like “taking into account bad defense”….are GUESSTIMATES. There is no way to have an “accurate” guesstimate.
Like I said, you have your opinion on what Haren is worth…and I have mine. I’m sure your GM and Cashman are having the same disagreement (just like ALL GM’s do)….if they weren’t, a deal would have been done in 30 seconds.
Have a good night. : )
Didn’t mean to like that. I wish there was a dislike button
Playing at a “high level” and making comments about nerds in their parents basement is largely irrelevant, when you completely swoop around the subject matter at hand just to throw more insults, but I guess its ok if you need to say it in order to feel more adequate as a man. You should be thanking jdub for giving your ignorance more attention than it deserves.I think aap said it in another post: Tim McCarver caught Bob Gibson, and he’s a terrible analyst. I am getting trolled so hard.
A friend keeps insisting Haren will not waive his no trade clause for Detroit and Minnesota. Can anyone confirm this? I was under the impression he’d at least consider teams on his no trade list if the “situation” was right.
iv been dreading this. i just have a sinking feeling even if we could put together the right package for him, hed pull an oswalt and say he doesnt want to come to detroit.
DD has to know Haren has Detroit included in his no trade clause. I also hope that DD knows Haren would waive his no trade clause if the Tigers picked up his option, or he could be convinced to do so for whatever reason. Otherwise, why would they pursue a guy they know they have no shot at getting? Just to make it harder for the Yankees to get him? Really?
good point.
Some of these posts make me scratch my head. Using W/L is certainly not a relevant way of rating a pitcher and while ERA+ or xFIP are more in depth statistics, ERA is not irrelevant at all, especially for a starting pitcher w/ over 100 IP this season. I certainly feel that ERA doesn’t tell the whole story for a relief pitcher but in most cases ERA tells 90% of a story. In the case of Haren I’m willing to overlook his ERA because a) Playing on a lousy team w/ a poor defense can sometimes sap a pitchers “drive” even though he should still suck it up. b) His walk/ko rate is still excellent and pretty much in-line with his career numbers c) Except for 1 off game against SD he’s been pretty good since July 1st.
Interestingly, the Yanks have said that there isn’t a player currently on the market that they would consider trading Montero for as a center-piece. Haren, I assume was thought of as “on the market” at that time (two weeks ago). So does that mean the Yanks can get Montero w/o including him in a deal? If that’s the case I would think Joba and maybe Nova/Phelps/McAllister + another one or two pieces are included in a deal. Joba has been a disappointment so far in relief but I would be on the fence on giving up on him so early. And I say so early because I feel he was rushed to the majors to begin with. Part of me wishes they sent him down to AAA when he lost his SP to Hughes and let him work on being a SP there.
IF the Yanks can somehow get Haren w/o including Hughes (obviously I doubt he’s going anywhere), Montero or Joba then I think that would be ideal. The Yanks, despite having a much maligned farm system do have some good pitching prospects that have gone unnoticed either because they don’t throw 100 mph or beacuse they were injured at the start of the season but have come on of late. If none of the 3 above are included in a Haren deal then I would think it’s some combo of…
Delin Betances -22, SP, A+, 5-1, 9 starts, 42 IP, 52k, 12 BB only 38 runners allowed, 6’8 SP finally getting his mechanics together coming off of minor arm surgery).
Andrew Brackman -24, AA, SP, 6-9, 18starts, 4.83, 91 IP, 86 KO and 22 walks, 6’10 SP finally getting his mechanics together).
David Phelps -23, AA/AAA, SP, 2.04 ERA, 17 starts, 106 IP, 103 KO, 22 walks. Drafted in 2008. Sort of like Ian Kennedy w/ a 92-94 mph fastball and better control).
Ivan Nova -23, AAA/MLB, SP, 3.06, 18 starts, 112 IP, 84 ko/40 walks. He throws in the 92-95 range but his control is iffy and he doesn’t ko enough).
Manuel Banuelos -19, A+, SP, 0-1, 7 starts, 28 IP, 39 ko, 11 BB. A young lefty, throws in the low 90’s, great curve, had a non-arm related surgery that kept him from starting the season. I thinks it was an appendectomy or something. Was 9-5 in A/A+ last year in 19 starts. In 109 IP, ko’d 106 and walked 28 last year. Top 5 Yankee prospect by BA last year.
Jose Ramirez -19, SP, A-, 16 starts, 3.38 ERA, 90 IP, 83 ko, 29 walks. Sort of the flavor of the month prospect for the Yanks. Throws 96 mph +. Kind of too early to really say how good he can be.
Adam Warren -23, SP, A+/AA, 2.23 ERA, 17 starts, 93 IP, 77 ko, 22 walks. 4th rnd 2009 pick. Throws around 94 mph. Moved fast thru system out of college (UNC).
Hector Noesi -23, A+/AA, 19 starts, 11-3, 112 IP, 112 Ko, 18 walks. Suprised no one talks about this kid. He had a good 2009 season as well in A-/A+. He had 20 starts and a 2.92 ERA in 117 IP with 118 KO and 15 walks. In 300 career minor league IP he’s ko’d 307 batters and only walked 52 and his career ERA is under 3.00.
So what combination of 2 do you think is enough if Hughes, Montero or Joba are off the table? My guess is that it would be 2 pitchers and some combo of position players (Adams, Laird, Miranda, etc).
well, the D’backs want a major league ready starter so first lets count off anyone not in AAA. Out of the AAA pitchers, Ivan Nova is the only one close to Major Leagues, they considered calling him up to start when Pettitte went down, but opted to go with Mitre. So Nova would definately be in the package. Probably some of the other non-pitching prospects as well. Maybe one of the lower level pitching prospects as well. If the D’backs get greedy I say they may go after Phelps, but the package will be focused around McAllister and Nova for sure.
//and there isn’t a person alive stupid enough to say that Haren has been pitching just as well this year and has just “lucked” into his worst numbers in years. Not ONE. (well, maybe one! LOL!!)//
And maybe all the GMs trying to get him.
Voodoo BS Stats? Yeah man, don’t get me started on RBIs, I don’t sit on my mom’s basement trying to invent these numbers. ERA? What’s that? Sorry, I was busy working out and talking to women. I don’t have time to sit in the basement and study ERA spreadsheets, I’ll stick to xFIP, Thanks.Hey guys I just heard of a new stat, it’s called Wins and Losses! A pitcher gets a win if he pitches at least 5 innings and his team is winning before another pitcher enters the game. It’s pretty complicated, but I’ll leave that to the nerds while they play Dungeons and Dragons.I don’t know what all these smart people are thinking, this is baseball, not 7th math class (I dropped out of middle school to NOT do this stuff you know?) All I do know is that Dan Haren has a pretty good xFIP and his higher FIP is due to an inflated HR/FB that will probably go down in most parks. If you want to use made up stats like your silly Wins and Losses, go right ahead, I’ll pass.What’s next? You invent some other stat where a if a fielder makes a mistake under your random arbitrary rules, it doesn’t count? LOL Ok, Nerds. Don’t forget to enchant that +3 dagger too.
(Mod, before you delete this, I KNOW you laughed)
//Dbacks source says club “not that close” to trading Haren to Yankees and that other clubs remain involved.//
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Doesn’t mean that they still aren’t the front runners. key word in there is THAT. that that is the difference.
Well, I never said I thought they weren’t. “Other clubs remain involved” was what drew my interest.
Got this from Magruder’s twitter:
//Yankees not front-runner in talks to get #Dbacks Dan Haren. CEO Hall: “Deals of at least equal value out there.” FOXSportsArizona.com//
Yeah true, I mean Rosenthal did say don’t count out the Tigers, but the Yanks are the frontrunners. Also what is the reliability of their sources too. Ah, the glory of rumors. However, I think the Phillies are out of it since their still trying to pursue Oswalt, and Cards seem out of it too. So its Yanks and Tigers. However, I think he will be moved by his next start on Tuesday.
Yeah I just saw that too, the Star-Ledger of New Jersey reported the same thing, that’s kind of clear cut there.
Nice job
//[…] the Tigers haven’t been ruled out as a potential destination.//
From Tim Brown’s twitter.
😀
we still have hope! my eyes are strained from sitting in front of the computer checking multiple sites and refreshing this one over and over just to get the latest news. gotta love the trade deadline!
Trade Deadline time is the best/worst time of the year.
I’ve been obsessively refreshing the Tigers rumors page and the Haren rumor thread at MTS since, oh, late June. I’m going to have a heart attack come deadline, though, I’m sure of it. Either because we got someone awesome like Haren, didn’t get anyone at all, or got someone like Carlos Silva. 😐
haren is the only player i want. i do not want ted lilly, ben sheets, or any rent-a-players. i dont see lilly putting us over the top, and wed lose him after the season and any prospects wed have to give up for him also. haren is controllable for multiple seasons, and verlander and haren is just too tempting to pass up. not to mention them being followed by scherzer and porcello….
I’m with you. I don’t want to make any more Washburn/Huff trades. I want a trade that significantly improves the team. Haren does that.
Now, if we lose out on Haren, I suppose I can live with Lilly. But he’s not my first choice by a long shot.
personally, i’d rather deal w/ detroit or philly, than NY. i just like the crop of potential prospects there better.
Keep in mind, our tentative starting rotation in 2011 (minus haren), would currently be:
1) EJax
2) Kennedy
3) Parker
4) _______
5) Enright
High probability we pickup a veteran SP from the FA pool this offeason, since we’ll have Haren, Webb, & Byrnes off the books.
I’m not comfortable w/ Joba as a stater, although in the NL West vs AL East, maybe he’d have success??? Yankee fans BASHED Ian Kennedy, and he’s been rather solid for us this year, minus a handful of starts. Not sure Nova could be a legit MLB starter in 2010- maybe yankee fans could fill me in.
I’d prefer to insert JA Happ or Porcello/Turner if possible. But i’ll admit, still not feeling CONFIDENT that Edwin Jackson would be our ‘ace’ in 2011, then again, Jon Garland is the Padres ‘ace’ and you see how well they have played this year.
I read Porcello hasn’t been “on the table” for a couple weeks. It might’ve been here? I don’t remember. I might even be imagining it. I’ve been up for a while.
Not that that absolutely precludes Porcello from being traded, of course.
Well Kennedy couldn’t handle New York pressure. The fans hated him after that one game against the angels where he got rocked. He said I gave it my best, and something like that. Wrong answer my friend wrong answer.
Yeah send him to the D…
Webb (fully healthy and re-signed)
E-Jack
Kennedy
Parker
Oliver
Turner/Ciriaco ready for 2012…
Last I heard, the current offer on the table was Haren for Joba, McAllister & Nova. I’d like to see them add Phelps or Noesi and call it a deal. Asking too much, fine, you can have Qualls as well.
where do you guys get this information from other mlb trade rumors?
Thats interesting I don’t think they’ll deal Joba I think he can still be salvaged as a relief pitcher. I don’t think he’s starting pitcher quality. Where did you get this from. Obscure Twitter profile?
Got that info from Local sports radio host John gambadoro.
gambo620 is his twitter account.
said he got this info from his NY source
Gambo is also an idiot.
He’s a great Suns insider but i’m not sure about his baseball ”sources”
thanks for the twitter account. Yeah interesting sometimes the less known guys know the most. However, for a guy based in Arizona hard to understand why his twitter wall paper is the yankees interlocking NY
He’s a Yankees fan.
As long as the Yankees get rid of Joba, Im happy!
ESPN is like the CBS of trade rumors. it takes a fact, if its untrue or true, and runs with it. I get a strange feeling a dark horse is going to get Haren, and the dark horse is, in my opinon, St. Louis or Detroit. The one most likely to get him is the yankees. Maybe they would package Montero with probably 4 to 5 various prospects.
//I get a strange feeling a dark horse is going to get Haren, and the dark horse is, in my opinon, St. Louis or Detroit.//
Obviously, since my name is Verlander, I like this.
I get a feeling Detroit would be a good fit for Haren because they have a heck of a team.
I’ve always felt like Haren would be a good fit for the Tigers and vice versa. They’ll also probably always be in the thick of the AL Central race unless half the team gets hurt pretty much at once (’07) or the pitching staff falls into a black hole for the season (’08).
He’s also the best hitting pitcher in the majors so it kinda sucks he wouldn’t get to use his ability on that side. It’s huge weapon. Oh well if you need a sac bunt he’ll advance the runner 100% of the time.
Jim Leyland brought Dontrelle Willis in to pinch hit in an interleague game this year. So, it could happen!
they don’t need Montero they have a Montero of their own. D’backs want pitching. by the way their were reports that the Cards stepped out.
I do believe though that Phelps may give the yanks the push. Just look up his numbers, he dominated every level of the minors so far.
cannot believe how wrong I was.
Huh interesting I went to Baseball America’s website, and I noticed on their top stories that the yanks didn’t want to include bentances in a deadline deal. So bentances may be the missing piece. I couldn’t read it since BA charges for their website.
Stark twittered that Dbacks approached yanks with a package of Joba, Nova, and two prospects. Yanks said no, and countered with all prospects. Nova was probably still in there.
As a Yankee fan I am aware that they have to give something up to get something. With maybe both Joba and Haren needing fresh starts, why not do this deal? Maybe try and get Heilman or Qualls for relieve help.
See the thing is they don’t want to give up Joba, I think he can be salvaged as a relief pitcher, doesn’t quite have the starter stuff. but yeah they could throw in qualls. Also if you read into my comment above this one, one of those prospects may have been bentances.
According to Jayson Stark Diamondbacks & Yankees were “never close” on Haren. NY turned down Ariz proposal: Joba, Ivan Nova & 2 prospects
Im dreaming this is false assuming 1 of the 2 prospects is not named Jesus Montero…Anyway…I saw Joba and i’ve honestly given up hope on him. I can’t stand it when he pitches anymore. He just isn’t the same guy. He’s gotten alot fatter. He just sucks now. I really hope Cashman rethinks this >_>
Good, looks like Haren to the Yanks is broken. Hopefully Roy goes to STL and leaves PHI/DET unless a darkhorse appears near the deadline. Kinda torn whether he should pitch in Philly on Tuesday or get dealt before. A CG shutout would help the cause :>
Wow.
Wow..Aaron Heilmann in NY again….this is gonna be fun to watch…if he thought Met fans were brutal…wait til he coughs up a lead in the bx
Would take great pleasure in watching Yankee fans go apopleptic as Heilman gives up 3-run HRs late in the game to the Red Sox, and the Rays, and the Orioles, and the Jays …. Good luck with that.