The Yankees and Royals have continued to discuss a Zack Greinke trade and the right-hander is more open to pitching in a major market than it seems, according to Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. Greinke can block trades to the Yankees and other large market teams, but a source close to the former Cy Young Award winner says winning matters more than anything.
Greinke’s partial no-trade clause would give him leverage if the Royals approached him about a deal, but he would not necessarily turn down the chance to pitch for a winning team in a large market. The Royals are still asking for a Mark Teixeira-like haul for their ace, though they're willing to move him. GM Dayton Moore is looking for “at least one major league-ready player and multiple high-level prospects,” Passan writes.
Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reported last month that Greinke can block trades to half the teams in baseball between now and the 2011 trade deadline. Between next August 1st and the end of the 2012 season, when his contract expires, Greinke loses his no-trade protection. The 27-year-old will earn $13.5MM in both 2011 and 2012.
id prefer to have greinke over lee. another huge 6-7 year commitment is NOT what the yanks should be looking to pursue.
Fine you take Greinke and the Nats can have Lee
Yankees could have Lee and keep their prospects or shell out money (that they have to burn) for a lesser pitcher. I’d take Lee if I were a fan.
That said, I imagine a Greinke deal would start with Montero and go from there. Probably Montero, Banuelos, and a prospect in the 10-15 range.
No way do the Royals take Montero. They already have a slew of young high up-side 1b/DH types, since it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher.
If he’s ready, he’ll be the Yankees starting catcher next year.
If he’s ready, he’ll be the Yankees starting catcher next year.
Considering how the Yanks are planning on him catching 100 games next year I’m not sure how you can say “it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher”. If that were the honest feelings of Yankee personell then I’m sure they wouldn’t have taken that job from Posada or sat by while Buck, Torrealba and others have signed elsewhere.
Just because the Yanks start him at C, doesn’t mean he isn’t a defensive liability. The Royals on the other hand, had rid themselves of more “offensive” minded catchers to go with an over-the-hill, once was above average defensive catcher(once was is key) no hitting Kendall. I seriously doubt they want someone that makes John Buck look like Sandy Alomar Jr defensive replacement.
So players who are defensive liabilities shouldn’t play baseball?
Some notably bad defenders
Matt Kemp, Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, Ryan Howard, David Wright, Jose Batista, Ryan Bruan, Prince Fielder, Dan Uggla
“I could go on forever”
Don’t forget Gold Glove SS Derek Jeter.
I’m not sure you can say Howard, Wright, Braun, and Bautista are BAD defenders per say
Career UZR
Howard – -2.6
Wright – -17.6
Bruan – -19.9
Bautista – -11.2
The only one I suppose I’ll take back is Howard and say he’s decent.
I wasn’t arguing with your defensive assement. I was refering to you declaring that he “is not a ML catcher”. If he catches for the Yankees next year then guess what? He’s a catcher.
Just because the Yanks start him at C, doesn’t mean he isn’t a defensive liability. The Royals on the other hand, had rid themselves of more “offensive” minded catchers to go with an over-the-hill, once was above average defensive catcher(once was is key) no hitting Kendall. I seriously doubt they want someone that makes John Buck look like Sandy Alomar Jr defensive replacement.
Considering how the Yanks are planning on him catching 100 games next year I’m not sure how you can say “it’s a given that he is not a ML catcher”. If that were the honest feelings of Yankee personell then I’m sure they wouldn’t have taken that job from Posada or sat by while Buck, Torrealba and others have signed elsewhere.
I’m not sure he can’t be a big league catcher, but even if he can’t, the Royals are going to take the best offer regardless of organizational need.
You don’t think they could turn around and flip Butler, Montero, or Hosmer for something they really need (middle infield)?
Usaully Gms just take the best talent they can get. This is GMDM though so you have to take that with a grain of salt.
how do they have that money to burn? I think we are seeing the upper limit of what their spending power is now…and you want to add another approx 6 year @ 25 mill commitment to that?
sheesh!
montero is a special bat, but if they have their long-term (at least part-time DH) in A-rod…wheres montero going to play? His defense is highly criticized in the MINORS… I am all for the yankees getting younger (which montero would help) but i think if they could get a young, high-ceiling SP like greinke (thats under contract for a reasonable amount the next 2 seasons) you do it.
Lee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Greinke
Well, Greinke is like 5 years younger but you wouldn’t have to trade any prospects to get Lee. Personally, I like them both. However, at this point, I’d say that Greinke has more upside left in him and despite a “down year,” he still had 5.2 WAR.
yeah, but greinke is younger, more affordable, and signed for less years.
for the difference between lee and greinke, an aging yankee team, does not need another 6-7 year commitment on an already 32 year old SP.
Arod is signed through 42. jeter is going to get another 3-4 year deal, CC is signed for another 5 years…teix is signed for another 6…i mean, how much is enough risk?
and so starts the Joba Chamberlain, Eduardo Nunez, and Nate Robertson or the Felix Doubront, Micheal Bowden, and Daniel Nava proposals…
Nava for Greinke and cash. Btw, You’re thinking of David Robertson… not even sure if Nate is on a team now.
your right, my bad. The point was still made though lol.
Why do you insist that Red Sox fans and Yankees fans are so naive? Are you just bitter that they spend more money and you express that anger by making it seem that fans of those franchises are delusional? It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?
It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?
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Look Kei, what you got from the Yankees was beyond stupid, so of course you’re going to praise them!
It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?
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Look Kei, what you got from the Yankees was beyond stupid, so of course you’re going to praise them!
Even though you’re technically defending Red Sox fans as well, I’m having trouble taking you seriously with that screen name.
As a Sox fan I have to say that there really are more ridiculous trade proposals from Sox and Yanks fans than from other teams’ fans. It is likely because there is a higher percentage of Sox and Yanks fans on this site than fans of most other teams because you do see them from other teams too, but the fact is every time either team is mentioned on here in a trade rumor 2-3 fans of that team inevitably come on and make crazy proposals.
It’s a sample-size issue, nothing more. There are a LOT of fans of both of those teams. And a lot of fair-weather fans of those teams, just as there would be with any other team, were they more successful.
That was actually my point, as I said it is likely because a higher percentage of people who view this site are Sox and Yanks Fans.
As a Sox fan I have to say that there really are more ridiculous trade proposals from Sox and Yanks fans than from other teams’ fans. It is likely because there is a higher percentage of Sox and Yanks fans on this site than fans of most other teams because you do see them from other teams too, but the fact is every time either team is mentioned on here in a trade rumor 2-3 fans of that team inevitably come on and make crazy proposals.
Why do you insist that Red Sox fans and Yankees fans are so naive? Are you just bitter that they spend more money and you express that anger by making it seem that fans of those franchises are delusional? It’s not like fans of any other teams ever make stupid proposals or anything, right?
It’s too bad the Cards’ farm system can’t match those offers…
Realistically, Royals are set in 1b/DH. I doubt they view Montero as a 120-130 games catcher. How about
Gardner
Banuelos
Betances
Joba
Romine
low end priospect
for Greinke and A.Gordon?
Insane. Gordon has ZERO value to anyone right now and would be a serious downgrade to Gardner. Effectively you’re asking for..
a starting mlb LF/CF w/ 50 SB ability who had a great OBP last year and is the only starter earning under $1 mil.
Two blue chip front of rotation pitching prospects in Banuelos and Betances.
A much maligned 25 year old pitcher in Joba who has a 3.63 FIP in 353 IP and a 9 K/9 rate.
And a top 10 22 year old C who is seen as having the best combo of bat and glove in our system.
And oh yeah….a low end prospect and assuming $27 mil in payroll.
Madness. That severly weakens the offense and butchers our farm system which needs to be used to infuse youth and offset some of the long term deals we already have on the books. It should never happen.
A.Romine is not GREAT with his glove. He struggled in AA this year.
Joba has minimal value at this point. I would trade him straight up for Gordon. Gordon is a quality bench player who has potential. Joba has no future in NY.
I doubt Royals will consider that package.
If I were the Royals, I would take the Joba-for-Gordon trade straight up. And I really don’t like Joba.
a) I never used the word “great” to describe Romine’s glove. However, most scouts say his glove is mlb ready. What I said was that he had the best combo of bat and glove.
b) Your quite ridiculous to say that Joba has minimal value. That NY media thing works both ways. It can overhype a player and it can drasticaly sensationalize their struggles.
If you’re interested on conversing over facts then let’s do it. First, is the obvious that a young power pitcher is more valuable than a week hitting “quality bench player” as you describe him. Joba’s CEILING is anywhere between a mid/front rotation starter to a middle relief-closer.
Joba’s career: 353 IP, 3.63 FIP, 3.77 ERA, 9.2 K/9- 7.4 WAR
2010: 71 IP, 2.98 FIP, 4.40 ERA, 9.7 K/9- 1.4 WAR
age 26 in Sept 2011
Alex Gordon’s career: .244/.328/.405 w/ 45 hrs in 1,642 PA- 4.4 WAR
2010: .215/.315/.355 w/ 8 hrs in 281 PA- -0.2 WAR
age 27 in Feb 2011
In no measurable way is Gordon more valuable than Joba and I can’t think of 1 GM ,not named Dayton Moore, that would make a Joba for Gordon deal. Furthermore, Joba finished strong in 2010 once he settled into his 3rd role change of his young career.
2010 1st half: 37 IP, 5.79 ERA, 1.50 whip, 9.6 K/9 and 2.86 KO/BB ratio
2010 2nd half: 34 IP, 2.88 ERA, 1.07 whip, 9.7 K/9 and 4.63 KO/BB ratio
Many, many more reasons to expect a better future from Joba than Gordon.
this is likely what it will take. I see Gardner, Banuelos and Gary Sanchez as the likely for Grienke.
You would have to think the Royals may want Nova, and Montero too.
The Royals might want Montero, Nova, and Nunez.
The Royals might want Montero, Nova, and Nunez.
I bet Nolan Ryan hopes this trade happens.
No kidding, I see Texas as the best landing spot for Greinke . Especially as a Cliff Lee sort of replacement who actually has more upside
Why? The Yankees “need” Greinke and Lee.
I guess if Pettitte doesn’t come back they do. Otherwise they have 4 starting spots filled even without Nova.
What’s to stop them from trading for Grienke and signing Lee?
Believe it or not, even the Yankees have a limit to how much payroll they are willing to spend.
Yep. $225M and not one penny more.
Unless they get to $225m and see someone else on their wish list.
True dat
A sense of fair play? Nah, just joshin’.
Absolutely nothing to stop them from doing both.
Except for when the Rangers swoop in and seal the Greinke trade and Cliff Lee declines the Yankee offer and heads back to Arlington, and to top it all off, Nolan Ryan renames the Ballpark “Deer Park” and entices Pettitte to come as well…
Realistically, the odds of all 3 of those happening (excluding the ballpark name change) is about the same as my chances of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning.
Except for when the Rangers swoop in and seal the Greinke trade and Cliff Lee declines the Yankee offer and heads back to Arlington, and to top it all off, Nolan Ryan renames the Ballpark “Deer Park” and entices Pettitte to come as well…
Realistically, the odds of all 3 of those happening (excluding the ballpark name change) is about the same as my chances of winning the lottery or being struck by lightning.
AJ Burnett 2.0 (not injury but stat wise). There is no way he would handle pitching in NY. He even said it himself.
Please do not do it Yankees.
Your assessment of Greinke as another AJ Burnett is silly, with all due respect. Greinke has tremendous upside potential. Seriously.
Furthermore, he never said, “there is no way I would handle pitching in New York.”
In fact, when asked about the prospect of pitching for a winning team in the Yankees, he said, “I don’t want to win with the Yankees, I want to win with the Royals.”
You know who also had some potential going into 2009, a man by the name of AJ Burnett, look how he’s done in NY
And Greinke said no such thing, he said he wants to win, but he never said he wants to win in KC.
He has serious anxiety problems, if you think Greinke going to NY is good for the Yankees, you’re dead wrong on that.
if you’re comparing Burnett’s potential going into 2009 with Greinke’s going into 2011, you are a MADMAN.before signing with the Yankees, Burnett had 5 straight years of between 2-3 WAR, very serviceable. everyone knows he’s got great stuff, and everyone knows he has significant control issues.on the other hand, in Greinke’s 5 previous non-injury seasons, he’s had 2 years between 2-3 WAR, one significant off-year before he got many of his mental issues straightened out with 0.6 WAR (oh wait… he was a reliever), and three years with excellent WAR numbers, one of which was 2009, where he put up 9.0.let me say it in different words: AJ Burnett’s BEST SEASON EVER, 2002, was not even HALF as good as Zack Greinke’s best season ever- in fact, it was only on par with Greinke’s ROOKIE YEAR.Greinke is significantly better than Burnett. it’s really not even close.
Never said Burnett was better than Greinke. I said if Greinke came to NY, then DO NOT be surprised to see his stats be put up similar to Burnett
I guess it’s fair to point out their best seasons, but it can also be fair and point out their worst seasons. Greinke had by far and away the worst in 2005
Actually, what he said was “I don’t know if I could handle NY”.
Generally speaking, 2.0 is usually better than 1.0
Generally speaking, 2.0 is usually better than 1.0
Does Texas have the farm to trade for Greinke, after giving up some key pieces for Lee last season?
I’m hoping the Reds enter the picture.
Texas had arguably the best farm system before the Lee trade. They had a lot of pitching depth on Baseball America’s last list.
I think the Royals had the best farm then and even more so now. They have at least 4 guys who look like they can become star players.
I said arguably. And mostly I’m going by my recollection of the last Baseball America rankings that seemed to have tons of Rangers. I may be wrong as my memory is often times unreliable.
Derrek Holland plus 2 of Engel Beltre, Alexi Ogando, or Julio Borbon gets it done IMO.
As a Ranger fan, the one of those i would LEAST want to lose is Ogando. Holland may or may not ever put it all together. Beltre hasnt made it through the system yet. And Borbon, well, i have mixed feelings about.
I’d ask for Cano and Montero for Greinke.
I’d ask for a hang up then dial tone.
Haha..
I wouldn’t have heard the Montero part… would have just dropped to phone from laughing too hard after hearing “Cano”.
yea and you wouldn’t get them
lol wut.
If by that you mean the catching prospect Montero and signed Robbie Cano 2009 World Series Jersey then ya, I’d do that deal.
I asked for a cookie yesterday, and never got one. Guess we can’t always have what we’d like, huh?
But if you try some time you just might find…
You get what you need? Apparently the Yankees are like that high-matinence girlfriend in high school and a team like the marlins are your father’s magazines then.
“Your father’s magazines”….with sticky pages.
I asked for a cookie yesterday, and never got one. Guess we can’t always have what we’d like, huh?
yo..
oh and to make this offer a little more fair the cardinals should step in and give the royals Rasmus for FREE! I mean your already getting an all star second basemen and future possible all star catcher why not get a future all-star CF, I mean by your thinking its fair cause none of them have won MVPs and Greinke has a Cy Young so this would easily be the most fair offer ever. I am surprised you do not have a GM job with some team, cause if you had it for the Royals they would win at least 4 WS every decade.
Greinke would not be successful with the Yankees.
Reply with 1 if you agree, 2 if you agree, or 3 if you agree.
I’ll go with 1, 2 and 3.
Texas seems like the best spot to me. I think the royals have enough DH/1b prospects that Jesus Montero wouldnt be the best fit. If they could get Jurckison Profar and a couple pitching prospects, it would be great for both teams. Profar is blocked by Andrus in Texas and KC would have an impressive infield in a couple years with Profar, Christian Colon, Hosmer, and Moostakes
I don’t know much about this guy Profar and I’ll do some more research, but it seems like your comment makes sense and I agree with your logic. I agree, its a pretty natural fit in Texas, plus everyone wins. As I said below, the 2 years at $13mm per for Grienke is the perfect compliment to the team and rotation. The Rangers just aren’t and shouldn’t take on any BIG contracts just yet. Not Lee big anyway..
Didnt Greinke have some kind of anxiety problem or panic attacks? If the pressure of pitching in Kansas City brought that on, wouldnt the pressure of throwing in NY be worse? I realize that hes been good for a few years now with all of that but thats something that can come back at any moment.
People seem to not have a grasp on social anxiety. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being in a major market or smaller market. It has everything to do with the feeling you get being in front(Greinke’s case) or among others in a social atmosphere, regardless of being in NY, KC or anywhere.
Zack, since, has not had any sort of set-back from his issues and as long as he continues with his meds, it shouldn’t be an issue in the future.
Dude. You’re making it sound like Yankee fans are diagnosing the problem or speculating that he won’t be able to handle NY. GREINKE HIMSELF said that while he’s comfortable in a lot of places he might have trouble in NY. What reason would he have to say that if not for the fact that NYC is 10x the media size of KC?
I have no issues w/ Greinke saying what he said. He knows himself better than anyone else does.
I speak of someone that suffers from SAD. So, THAT is my reasoning.
No disrespect to you and your disorder but YOU are acting as if WE are speculating that he would have a problem, when in fact HE stated that playing in NY might be a problem. I’m assuming by “problem” he’s refering to his anxiety disorder in a media frenzy city like NY and not a possible aversion to metrosexuals, soggy hot dogs sitting in day old hot dog vendor water or fatty hebrew kosher foods, which NY is also known for. Oh and pricey “escorts”.
But I have read that. I have seen many NY posters saying he couldn’t pitch in NY with his issues. Did I respond to the wrong post, possibly, but I do see that as being a huge issue for many Yankee fans. Read through theses posts, you’ll see it here and you’ll see it on the last time Greinke was mentioned with the Yankees.
As someone with SAD, I can assure you I feel more comfortable in larger settings than I do in smaller ones, just for the fact that the larger the area, the less likely I feel I’m the focus(even though I know I’m not), but again, that’s just me.
The difference is- you I don’t believe have to get up and perform in front of 50,000 fans every night and have every pitch you throw analyzed to death by fans and reporters- When you play for a big market team like the yankees you live in a fishbowl. He would not be a good fit for the yankees-
Ok. And for the record I hope I didn’t come off as a jerk with regards to ppl with the disorder. But I’m still suffering from the effects of the “Ed Whitson” era and supremely feel that it takes a special person to handle NY city and if Greinke has his doubts about himself, then considering the costs involved, pass. Maybe I would be less worried if it were just a matter of 2/$27 rather than the contract plus 3-5 top prospects/players.
Maybe I’m wrong, and I most certainly could be, but I think Greinke’s statement is being taken _way_ out of context. When asked whether he ever thought about pitching for a winner like the Yankees, he said he didn’t want to win with NY, he wanted to win with KC.
Does someone have a quote to prove me wrong? I’m being honest here, I don’t know…
It has more to do with living in the city than actually performing though.
No disrespect to you and your disorder but YOU are acting as if WE are speculating that he would have a problem, when in fact HE stated that playing in NY might be a problem. I’m assuming by “problem” he’s refering to his anxiety disorder in a media frenzy city like NY and not a possible aversion to metrosexuals, soggy hot dogs sitting in day old hot dog vendor water or fatty hebrew kosher foods, which NY is also known for. Oh and pricey “escorts”.
Greinke should go to the Giants, hang out with Lincecum for a while and that anxiety would turn into the munchies.
Dude. You’re making it sound like Yankee fans are diagnosing the problem or speculating that he won’t be able to handle NY. GREINKE HIMSELF said that while he’s comfortable in a lot of places he might have trouble in NY. What reason would he have to say that if not for the fact that NYC is 10x the media size of KC?
I have no issues w/ Greinke saying what he said. He knows himself better than anyone else does.
social anxiety has to do with receiving attention which he would definitely receive in ny or any other big market. he overcame his anxiety though to win the cy in ’09 so it’s not a barrier to success. ricky williams, nfl player, also has it. he used to conduct interviews wearing his helmet. dontrelle willis has it too. greinke, williams and willis have rec’d treatment and have returned to playing.
People seem to not have a grasp on social anxiety. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being in a major market or smaller market. It has everything to do with the feeling you get being in front(Greinke’s case) or among others in a social atmosphere, regardless of being in NY, KC or anywhere.
Zack, since, has not had any sort of set-back from his issues and as long as he continues with his meds, it shouldn’t be an issue in the future.
Yankees better not trade for him.
I really want no parts of Greinke. From the door there’s just too much unknown regarding Greinke in NY. When a player publicly says..
“[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”
….then why bother? If HE has doubts about his ability to perform in NY then why should we dismiss that problem?
to be honest, he probably just wants out and the teams not on his trade clause aren’t stepping in or competing to get Grienke. So the Royals said listen, Zach + Agent, if you get the yankees and red sox involved it will drive up the price and demand, and we’ll be able to move you faster, even if its not to one of those teams per say.
That is a fore warning quote though
I dont think that Greinke doubts his ability to perform in the slightest bit, but rather that he is unsure of how greater the city and team will be to deal with on his current routine (whether it be therapy and/or medication, etc). It’s not something that will ever be found out without the Yankees picking him up and trying.
That being said, I concur with your assessment that you would rather not have him knowing that. Any fan would like to see their team avoid picking up a player that makes lots of money and never performs…. Cowboys fans and Roy Williams come to mind…
Nobody is looking at this from the Royals point of view. If they trade Greinke who do they start on Opening Day? What energizes the fan base at all for this year? Answer: Nobody and Nothing for this year. So obviously cashing in this season before it even begins seems bad for any franchise. Why would the royals want Joba for Greinke? Trade one head case for another?
Perhaps they could use their other starter that posted the same ERA as Greinke… or would that be too logical?
I don’t know why any team would trade their best prospects and young, controllable players for Greinke. He’s not Cliff Lee. He’s an expensive young pitcher who’s had one great season. He was definitely not great last season. Getting him cheaply would be one thing, but apparently KC wants a ton; then you’ve got him for one season at 11+ million.
From a Jays fan point of view, I’d be happy if the Yankees trade for him. But I don’t think they will.
Sounds like the Royals are trying to drive the price up for Greinke.
Bingo
Bingo
This dude has head issues and will suck as a Yankee. Javy Vasquez style.
Montero, Joba, Banuelos, Nova, Adams for Greinke.
I know it sounds like alot but that is what it will take to land him
let me just add my opinion. i dont want him. i want upton
Then he won’t and shouldn’t be a Yankee.
Then he won’t and shouldn’t be a Yankee.
Greinke I’ve frickin told you a million times already. Go to the other, better team in Missouri. Geez, the nerve of this guy.
River City Rascals?
No, the one with the 10 World Series championships.
way to take a joke.. you must be a peach at the bar
Greinke I’ve frickin told you a million times already. Go to the other, better team in Missouri. Geez, the nerve of this guy.
Zach Greinke >>>>>> Javier Vazquez, AJ Burnett, or just about anyone else. You’re all daft saying you wouldn’t want him.
greinke is not worth his pricetag. i wouldnt mind having him, but i dont want to stomach would it would take
greinke is not worth his pricetag. i wouldnt mind having him, but i dont want to stomach would it would take
If Greinke says he doesn’t mind a big market it’s because he doesn’t mind it. I would trade for this guy in a second. However besides Montero I don’t think we have the prospects to pull it off and the Royals GM seems really determined to get an awesome return. Wil Myers isn’t projected to stay behind the plate and people see him moving to the outfield so maybe Dayton Moore could start with Gary Sanchez or Austin Romine as the centerpiece of a trade.
My idea of a possible package:
Austin Romine+Dellin Betances+Joba Chamberlain+Brett Gardner (Not very impressive, I know!)
We need an “unlike” button.
This is a smart move on Grienke’s agent part. If you get the big market teams in the mix the price goes up. If I were the Yanks I would sign Grienke over Lee, he would be cheaper, he is younger, and he has better stuff. The only thing Lee has on Grienke is control and of course his ability to pitch in the post season. As I’m typing I’m changing my mind. They both are great!
Greinke is only signed for 2 years and considering no one knows how he would take to NY there is ZERO reason to think he is a lock to sign an extension if he was acquired. That being the case his age vs Lee’s age is sort of irrelevant. Think of the two in terms of what they did in 2010 and what they might do over the next two years.
Greinke: 220 IP, 3.34 FIP, 7.4 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9
Cliff Lee: 212 Ip, 2.58 FIP, 7.8 K/9 and 0.76 BB/9
Lee is older but I would bet that his production would be similar to his 2010 season over the next 2 years. Also, an unknown is “how will Greinke perform under the heat of the playoffs”? Has little to do with his anxiety order as better men have struggled in the post-season as well. With Cliff Lee at least he’s battle tested.
Therefor…Lee over Greinke is a safer bet in terms of 2011 and 2012 since that’s all you’re guaranteed of getting from Greinke if traded for.
Also, it amazes me how no one ever considers the translated monetary value of the players that would be involved in a Greinke trade.
Not all prospects will become stars but I would say Montero is a safe bet to be an impact bat. Out of Betances, Banuelos or Nova you should get at least a mid rotation starter. Brett Gardner is already a top defensive LF and a 5.4 WAR player. What’s the cost of not having the cost controlled services of those players and the cost of replacing their production on the open market?
This is a smart move on Grienke’s agent part. If you get the big market teams in the mix the price goes up. If I were the Yanks I would sign Grienke over Lee, he would be cheaper, he is younger, and he has better stuff. The only thing Lee has on Grienke is control and of course his ability to pitch in the post season. As I’m typing I’m changing my mind. They both are great!
Sure, let the Rangers sign Lee then. Grienke is another AJ waiting to happen.
Sure, let the Rangers sign Lee then. Grienke is another AJ waiting to happen.
if the royals trade Greinke royals fans will not be happy and i am one of those fans
if the royals trade Greinke royals fans will not be happy and i am one of those fans
Get real. The Yankees prospects stink.
He’s not going to New York.
I haven’t read through all the comments, so it may have been mentioned, but I see the good timing of this post as a smart move and a ploy by Cashman. Why? If this is in fact true or who cares, if the Rangers essentially feel pinched by this, it could speed things up for them to make a move and trade for Grienke. Let’s face it; Rangers don’t really have the money to compete for Lee. The broadcasting deals, and other related financial ventures really wont start paying for another 24-36 months. Greinke is exactly the type of pitcher and contract they need, albeit the lost of some prospects. 2 years at a reasonable salary and top notch stuff while they continue to right the ship down there. Grienke would do well down there in my opinion. What this also does is potentially lower or stabilize the ask for Lee. Something that quickly became $140mm over 6 years, comes back down to $100-$120mm over 5 years and since no one has really made any formal offers, then this could be less. Not saying he is not worth it, but it would be interesting to see where the market is if the Rangers withdrawn. Probably still in the $100mm range. They are both great, but I’d rather have Lee and keep the prospects. Come on Cash, make em sweat!
Well said. There are some games being played between yanks and rangers involving Lee, Petitte, and now Greinke
Please dont trade him to the NYY… I would rather trade him to Boston if we have to move him…
Please dont trade him to the NYY… I would rather trade him to Boston if we have to move him…
I will admit, Greinke the Yankee has a nice rangkie to it.
I will admit, Greinke the Yankee has a nice rangkie to it.
forget the media. with his anxiety issues NY probably wouldnt be ideal period, and im not talking playing for the yankees im talking about riding the subways and walking the streets. i met a guy who said he was zack grienkes cousin and this was before he was an elite pitchers and i believe him because he mentioned zack greinkes anxiety problems then. honestly im a mets fan and i wouldnt want greinke because NY is not a good place for someone with that kind of problem. good luck with that yankees, i bet you guys are wishing the boss was still around RIP
If I were Cincinnati I would offer Bruce, Wood, Francisco and a PTBNL. Or replace Bruce with Yonder Alonso. Votto has the kid blocked at 1st, either get something for him or stick him in RF and get something for Bruce while you still can.