The Dodgers may not tender Ryan Theriot a contract, but the infielder should draw interest from other clubs if he's non-tendered. MLB.com's Brittany Ghiroli suggests (on Twitter) that he'll be "very, very attractive to the Orioles" if non-tendered and Troy Renck of the Denver Post writes (on Twitter) that he expects the Rockies to have interest if the Dodgers don't offer Theriot a contract.
The Dodgers agreed to terms with Juan Uribe today, so they're set at second. Rafael Furcal will play short, so there's likely no everyday role for Theriot on the team. He was a non-tender candidate before Uribe agreed to play in L.A., so it wouldn't be surprising to see the Dodgers cut him loose.
Theriot, who turns 31 next week, can play second or short. He batted .270/.321/.312 in 640 plate appearances with the Cubs and Dodgers last year, swiping 20 bases in 29 attempts. Though Theriot has never hit for power, he has some speed and a career .348 on base percentage.
The Giants, Padres, Cardinals, Nationals, Mariners and Twins could also show interest in Theriot if he hits the open market. He earned $2.6MM in 2010 and would likely see his salary jump past $3MM through the arbitration process.
go get em SF
go get em SF
I want to see the Giants get Jason Bartlett or J.J. Hardy, I want to see the Orioles get Ryan Theriot, an ex-cub which the Orioles tend to do.
Yeah, the Orioles signed a guy last week with the last name “Atkins”. Triple-A pitcher with (guess who) the Iowa Cubs. Mitch Atkins was 8-3 with a 3.63 ERA in 28 games.
Yeah, the Orioles signed a guy last week with the last name “Atkins”. Triple-A pitcher with (guess who) the Iowa Cubs. Mitch Atkins was 8-3 with a 3.63 ERA in 28 games.
For the right price, I would like to see the Cards take him. He’s faily versitile and could platoon with Schumaker at second against lefties.
Or the Cardinals get the O-dog and dont bother with either of them
Very true. I guess it all depends on how the Cards want to distribute their dollars this offseason. However if Schumaker by some miracle bounces back offensively and improves defensively, having Theriot platoon with him wouldn’t be all that different from the O-Dog from a numbers standpoint. Combined their defense wouldn’t be as good as the O-Dog’s but would be tolerable and at a lower price most likely.
Actually, it would be about the same price, plus you get Orlando Hudson’s leadership
and distractions
It’s because he’s black, isn’t it?
No, but there is a reason why he isn’t with the same team for very long and falls out of favor with his managers.
I wasn’t being serious about that, making a joke about him where he said Jermaine Dye does not have a job “just because he’s black”.
And also I didn’t know that about him, you usually don’t hear any complaints about his attitude.
Sorry, sometimes sarcasm is hard to get over posts. But there were reports of a little attitude from Hudson when he was with the Dodgers. Especially when he was slumping and was pouting about splitting time with Belliard who was out playing him.
But there is something to say about a player of that caliber to keep bouncing around like he’s a utility infielder or a left handed reliever.
Hudson doesn’t have character issues or distractions. He is KNOWN for being a great leader in the clubhouse and is like a coach on the field.
Hudson doesn’t have character issues or distractions. He is KNOWN for being a great leader in the clubhouse and is like a coach on the field.
I’d say the Braves would be interested in him as a utility infielder to replace Omar Infante. I’d imagine a bench role on a team like the Braves where he’s going to get playing time (defensive replacement for Uggla, Chipper’s health) would be more attractive than a starting role with the Nats or Mariners.
I think that would be a good move. He and Conrad could make the team, both can bet from one side at least. I think Conrad is a switch hitter.
With the way the roster is assembled right now, I doubt Conrad makes the team. Assuming we re-sign Hinske, we’ll have him and Mather as back-ups on the corners and pinch-hitters. David Ross is already under contract and Diaz probably gets non-tendered, which leaves two spots on our bench. Those spots will go to a defense-oriented infielder and defensive 4th OF.
Every NL bench usually has 5 players
I know this. I listed Hinske, Mather, Ross, a defense-oriented infielder, and a defensive 4th OF. Count ’em, that’s five.
Can not play third base.
Bet he can play it a hell of a lot better than Brooks Conrad does.
theriots throws to first from third would bounce off the pitchers mound
I think that role would be handed to Prado. We could get by with Diory Hernandez as a utility infielder. We need Eric Hinske/Matt Diaz back and a better 4th OF than Melky was.
The Braves do not need Diaz back. I think if they were gonna tender him they would have by now. Picking up Mather erased the need for him. They should resign Hinske though.
Prado’s playing everyday in LF. We still need to fill out the bench, and Theriot would be a better option than most.
I know Prado is playing LF, but as soon as Chipper gets hurt, who do you think will step in? And dan, the non-tender, resign to smaller deal option is very common these days.
We’ll be paying Mather less than Diaz will make, and Mather is more versatile. I know Braves fans, myself included, love Matty, but the writing is on the wall that his career as a Brave is over.
Just because we got Mather, doesn’t mean we’ll use him. We got Joe Thurston last year, never saw the majors. I think Mather could be a good pickup, but his roster spot is set in stone about as clearly as Diaz’s contract. Also, what if Eric Hinske decides to go to the Brewers?
Thurston was on a minor league deal, Mather is on a major league deal and is out of options, therefore can’t be sent down to the minors.
And Hinske really doesn’t have any bearing on Diaz’s situation. Hinske is our LH pinch-hitter. If we don’t bring him back, we’ll bring in another left-handed pinch-hitter.
We’ll be paying Mather less than Diaz will make, and Mather is more versatile. I know Braves fans, myself included, love Matty, but the writing is on the wall that his career as a Brave is over.
I know Prado is playing LF, but as soon as Chipper gets hurt, who do you think will step in? And dan, the non-tender, resign to smaller deal option is very common these days.
random question:
How do “they” calculate what somebodies replacement would have done when calculating WAR?
They use a hypothetical replacement level player (think AAAA type player). Which is about 20 runs below average. So if a guy is league average hitter, league average defensive player he’s about a 2 WAR player (at 10 runs per win) if he plays a whole year.
so WAR means a whole lot less than people say it does…which validates my opinion on it. kind of.
The scale is pretty reasonable, thus a players WAR wouldn’t be easily determined if it wasn’t.
Nah it does have a lot of meaning. It’s the best way of quickly comparing players’ value. It also adds value to premium positions. So you can quickly see that even though say Adam Jones hit much better than Cliff Pennington last year, Pennington was the more valuable player because it’s much easier to find a decent hitting outfielder than a decent hitting SS.
God, he has almost non-existent power. Slim pickings for infielders this year.
I could see Theriot being a good fit for the Padres. He’s had success as a lead-off man, can play 2B and SS, has speed, and is a solid defender. He might actually remind Padres fans of David Eckstein, just a slightly better offensive version. Getting Theriot would certainly solve their needs for a #1 or #2 hitter in the middle infield.
Thats what Mickey Koke recently said, and I completely agree…A minor league deal or an incentive laden one year deal would work. I think he’s a slight upgrade over JHJ, even with JHJ’s timely hitting.
There’s no way Theriot has to settle for a minor league deal. Have you seen the middle infield options on the free agent market this year?
Yeah, Theriot is one of the best SS options left if non-tendered and is a lock get a major league deal of at least a few million dollars or maybe more. Guys who can have some redeeming offenisive attributes and still play middle infield are extremely rare in this market. Juan Uribe and his .300 OBP just got 3/21 – no way Theriot gets a minor league deal.
In a perfect world they would sign Theriot, trade for Bartlett, and re-sign Hairston Jr. That would give them a super utility player to move all over the field, solve their issues atop the order, and allow them to hit Maybin 7th and keep Cabrera in AAA for at least half the year.
Realizing the world isn’t perfect, and especially not where the Padres are concerned, I’d be satisfied with signing Theriot and re-signing Hairston Jr. They could probably still find an inexpensive utility player and start Hairston Jr. I’ve said it before and will say it again; Jerry’s value to the team cannot be overstated.
I don’t have hard stats to support it, but having watched most every Padres game there is no doubt the Padres lost their energy and confidence as a team when Jerry went down. People like to talk about Eckstein’s ‘value’, but Hairston produced runs for the team and his hustle and willingness to play all over fired the team up. The Padres began their slide the day he was lost for the year.
It would make a lot of sense. However, Jeff Moorad does not do incentive laden contracts. Having said that, I could still see the Padres going after Theriot. The Padres could use him if the fail to retain Jerry Hairston Jr. or at second base and still look at bringing in young, controllable prospects in either trading Bell or Adrian for Middle infield depth. Players such as, Brett Lawrie that we have bantered about before.
The Padres need to fill five major holes through Free Agency or through trade. Jed Hoyer’s emphasis will be on starting pitching. He would like to add two starting pitchers, a second baseman, shortstop, and a backup catcher. While I believe the Padres could easily sign a Free Agent short stop, such as Orlando Cabrera and fill second base with a table setter like Orlando Hudson, I believe Hoyer might have a better chance acquiring a young controllable second baseman and short stop through a trade rather than signing another Free Agent, given their financial limitations.
My guess is that Hoyer is looking everywhere for young middle infielders on teams that need a closer (Bell) or young starting pitching. If the Padres acquired a player like Brett Lawrie, (Brewers) we would probably have to sign a one year stop gap Like Orlando Hudson, Ryan Theriot or trade for a guy like J.J. Hardy, Marco Scutaro, or Jason Bartlett. Here’s some other guys I think the Padres should take a look at that I have spoke about on friarhood.com
2B:
Sean Rodriguez
Todd Frazier
Brett Lawrie
Daniel Descalso
Scott Sizemore
Adam Rosales
Justin Turner
SS or 2B:
Eduardo Nunez
Yamaico Navarro
Jed Lowrie
Chris Nelson
Joaquin Arias
Alcides Escobar
It would make a lot of sense. However, Jeff Moorad does not do incentive laden contracts. Having said that, I could still see the Padres going after Theriot. The Padres could use him if they fail to retain Jerry Hairston Jr. or at second base and still look at bringing in young, controllable prospects in either trading Bell or Adrian for Middle infield depth. Players such as, Brett Lawrie that we have bantered about before.
The Padres need to fill five major holes through Free Agency or through trade. Jed Hoyer’s emphasis will be on starting pitching. He would like to add two starting pitchers, a second baseman, shortstop, and a backup catcher. While I believe the Padres could easily sign a Free Agent short stop, such as Orlando Cabrera and fill second base with a table setter like Orlando Hudson, I believe Hoyer might have a better chance acquiring a young controllable second baseman and short stop through a trade rather than signing another Free Agent, given their financial limitations.
My guess is that Hoyer is looking everywhere for young middle infielders on teams that need a closer (Bell) or young starting pitching. If the Padres acquired a player like Brett Lawrie, (Brewers) we would probably have to sign a one year stop gap Like Orlando Hudson, Ryan Theriot or trade for a guy like J.J. Hardy, Marco Scutaro, or Jason Bartlett. Here’s some other guys I think the Padres should take a look at that I have spoke about on friarhood.com
2B:
Sean Rodriguez
Todd Frazier
Brett Lawrie
Daniel Descalso
Scott Sizemore
Adam Rosales
Justin Turner
SS or 2B:
Eduardo Nunez
Yamaico Navarro
Jed Lowrie
Chris Nelson
Joaquin Arias
Alcides Escobar
Couldn’t agree more. Though he is not a star, he is a pretty solid player and would fit in with the Padres financially. If they could sign Theriot and bring back Hairston, they could send Cabrera down to AAA to start the year and have Theriot at SS and Hairston at 2nd. After a month or 2, whenever Cabrera remebers how to hit, you could bring him up, play him at his natural position 2nd and have Hairston serve as the utility man.
Doesn’t Theriot have SOME speed? If so, I can see the Jays trying to get him to play 2nd. Move Hill to 3rd and keep J-Bau in right field. AA have said he would like the Jays to be able to move runners around the bases to score instead of always relying on the long ball.
He is an awful base runner.
id rather have davis in right or centerand jbau at 3rd, then have theriot at 2nd , and move hill to 3rd and jbau in rf and then davis on the bench… which clearly doesnt make sense … why waste davis who is clearly just as good of a hitter if not better the theriot, and much much speedier… 50sb!
Because Davis can’t draw a walk to save his life.
hes already stealing 50 bases even with a 330 career obp!!! hes already doing significant damage even with that low of an obp, and imagine that infront of much more potent hitters in the jays lineup as opposed to oaklands… yur wasting him if u dont start him IMO
You can’t steal 1B, and that .330 OBP isn’t that good. I’m not going to say anymore about the Jays OF situation though, because I’ don’t know that much about it.
i wasnt saying 330 is good… im saying its impressive to steal 50 SB while still only getting on base 33% of the time, my point is the guy will get his hits, and even if hes only getting on base at his career clip he can still do tons of damage on the bases, and speed is pretty much the main thing jays lacked, and your going waste it if he doesnt start.
Moot point considering Ryan Theriot’s OBP was .321.
In a down year, yes. He has a career .348 OBP, and has a high of .387 as a starter. Davis’ career OBP is .330 and it’s never been higher than .361.
Would be funny if the Giants and Dodgers basically trade SS’s.
Although 1 yr of Theriot at $5 mill > 3 yrs of Uribe at $21 mill.
I really hope the Giants stay away from Theriot
I’d rather start Burriss or bring up Crawford over him
Crawford has a ways to go. His glove is good but his bat is terrible. Burriss still needs to prove he can handle everyday play.
I thought you guys were talking about Carl Crawford for a second there.
LOL no..
We have Brandon Crawford. SS in AA now. I could only wish for Carl.
dude, that wish is still possible with uribe being passed up. i seriously think neukom is prepping to sign off on a huge freaking deal. for some reason i think the giants are out to prove that we shouldn’t obsess with the size of huff’s paychecks.
theriot takes uribe’s utility role (clutch as he is, JU will become another Coletti clunker)
burriss works his way in and theriot is good insurance if freddy sanchez goes down for a stretch
I’d like to see the Padres make an offer to Theriot. He could play every day at 2B or SS and would be a better option to lead off than anyone else the Pads have on their roster currently. I’d be happy if they signed him to something like 1 year 3 or 3.5M.
Theriot would give the Padres another option at the top of their order (since his power makes him a liablity anywhere but #1 or #2). Bringing him back with Eckstein would give them a steady veteran middle infield with tolerable OBP at a bargain price. They could go Theriot-Eckstein-Gonzalez-Ludwick-Venable-Maybin-Headley-Hundley and potentially be a better offensive team than last year while still being a strong pitching, defense and speed team on a budget.
“I’ll take The Riot for $800, Alex.”
He is a good player. It was frustrating when he started swinging for the fences in Chicago, but I really can’t blame him. He will never achieve a big salary unless he starts hitting home runs, or stealing a whole lot of bases. (which he could be capable of if someone would send him more and he would work harder on his jumps)
However, if someone can snag the Ryan Theriot of 2 years ago, the on-base machine, they are going to be doing themselves well by signing this guy. He’s got a good attitude and I think he is going to continue to improve.
His OBP declined from .387 in 2008 to .343 in 2009 to .321 in 2010.
I don’t think he’s going to “continue” to improve when he’s been doing the exact opposite…
I can definitely see the Orioles making a run at him. McPhail is pretty comfortable with his old farmhands, and Theriot won a lot of people over back then when he was just a fringe 2nd base prospect. Now that he has since started on some good ball clubs, he can rejoin Mc Phail as an experienced, inexpensive option for the O’s.
If braves want to get him then they have to get him for cheap.
I’d like the M’s to give him an offer. Could play 2B untill Ackley is ready and could play SS when (yes it’ll probably happen) Jack Wilson gets hurt. good stop gap.
if no tender to the Padres 2 years for 5MM?
I don’t see the why the Twins would be interested in Theriot. They have their middle infield starters already and have two decent utility infielders already in Plouffe and Tolbert.
I don’t see the why the Twins would be interested in Theriot. They have their middle infield starters already and have two decent utility infielders already in Plouffe and Tolbert.
For all you people who did watch him play for the Cubs during 2008/2009 he is a respectable player and I almost wish the Cubs would pick him back up
A Cub fans take on Theriot, after watching him all these years –
– He was only really good at getting on base once (2008). Every other full year he has been sub 350
– He runs the bases like a retard
– He can literally go months between extrabase hits
– Just because he stood at SS for 4 years doesnt make him a SS. He throws like a girl. 2b is the only place he can really play effectively
– He can go a full week without hitting the ball out of the infield
– he loves swinging at the first pitch, even if the pitcher has just walked two guys
-since becoming a regular, his seasons all follow the same trend. hits like Robin Yount in April, and hits like Mariano Rivera in September. Not a guy you want for a stretch run
No way he is worth more than about 1.5M per year
“He can literally go months between extrabase hits”
No kidding. He didn’t have ANY extra base hits in his last 30 games as a Dodger.
A Cub fans take on Theriot, after watching him all these years –
– He was only really good at getting on base once (2008). Every other full year he has been sub 350
– He runs the bases like a retard
– He can literally go months between extrabase hits
– Just because he stood at SS for 4 years doesnt make him a SS. He throws like a girl. 2b is the only place he can really play effectively
– He can go a full week without hitting the ball out of the infield
– he loves swinging at the first pitch, even if the pitcher has just walked two guys
-since becoming a regular, his seasons all follow the same trend. hits like Robin Yount in April, and hits like Mariano Rivera in September. Not a guy you want for a stretch run
No way he is worth more than about 1.5M per year
couple mill sounds right
SF sounds right
replaces Uribe in many senses
should add some hunger to win which SF can use (it’s a secret ingredient to repeating)
speaking of exCubs in SF
anybody else go for this?
Aaron Rowand, Mark DeRosa and Kung Fu Panda
for
ARamirez, Kosuke Fukudome and, say, Darwin Barney
the longterm possibility of Sandoval is what entices the Cubs
SF gets back one-year contracts and the possibility of ARam being a monster between Posey and Huff
Cubs Get:
Rowand- an expensive outfielder with little value.
DeRosa- super utility guy who isn’t above average in any position that he plays.
Sandoval- the main piece in this trade but many question his work ethic.
Giants get:
Fukudome- huge bust, expensive contract, not even better than Rowand.
Barney- a mediocre infielder with minimal upside.
Ramirez- An all-star 3B when healthy, but has been bit by the “injury bug” the last couple of years and also has a huge salary.
I don’t see how this trade makes sense for either team. Unless it’s for the Cubs to dump a crapload of unwanted salary on the Giants.
key for both: money’s the same, about $30 mill
so look at it as money-already-spent/sunk-costs for both sides and hope for the upside.
Rowand and DeRosa provide vet leadership for Cubs and they hope they can turn Panda into a longtime first-baseman.
Rowand you hope gets some mojo back and becomes a gritty 4th OF, occasional righty switch for Colvin, def replacement for Sorry-asso. (Rowand, like Zito, didn’t get enough credit for biting the bullet and not making themselves distractions to the Giants)
DeRosa can handle third as a stopgap if they put Sandoval at first, or a backup at either corner if they try Pablo at third.
KoFu is Giants’ 4th, also a righty-lefty switch with Ross in RF or LF or occasional starter as Ross gets rotated around/rested.
ARam is the giant bat then Giants don’t truly have. (forget Burrell, he’s a mirage.) and there should be less a risk of adapting since he’s already a NL guy.
Key for SF is, if ARam doesn’t work out or is longterm hurt, like KoFu, he’s only a one-year deal.
Then there’s the fresh-hunger factor. You’ve got to think Ramirez would relish being on that team, adding in the chance of having a big contract year.
Barney – again going on best hopes – becomes now (if SF doesn’t sign a Theriot), or ahead, a quality utility.
Cubs Get:
Rowand- an expensive outfielder with little value.
DeRosa- super utility guy who isn’t above average in any position that he plays.
Sandoval- the main piece in this trade but many question his work ethic.
Giants get:
Fukudome- huge bust, expensive contract, not even better than Rowand.
Barney- a mediocre infielder with minimal upside.
Ramirez- An all-star 3B when healthy, but has been bit by the “injury bug” the last couple of years and also has a huge salary.
I don’t see how this trade makes sense for either team. Unless it’s for the Cubs to dump a crapload of unwanted salary on the Giants.
How about the Padres trade Denorfia to the Dodgers for Theriot? Both guys are non-tender candidates, but both would fill roles for the other team. Denorfia is at least a decent 4th outfielder and will be cheap in his 1st year of arb.