Though the Mariners field occasional inquiries about the availability of their ace, GM Jack Zduriencik told Jon Heyman of SI.com that he has no interest in trading Felix Hernandez.
"He's not going anywhere,'' Zduriencik said. "We've got him. We'll keep him. We're not going to move him.''
Zduriencik says the Mariners are not about to consider trading Hernandez, since they’re trying to build a winner around their top starter. Hernandez, who allowed one run in 2 2/3 innings in his spring debut today, can block trades to ten teams and says he hopes to continue his career in Seattle (his no-trade list is composed of high-revenue teams to boost leverage). The 24-year-old is under team control through 2014 and will earn a base salary of $68MM over the course of the next four years.
The Yankees are on the right-hander’s list, though he appears to be open to playing for them. GM Brian Cashman called to express interest earlier in the winter, but Zduriencik said the sides haven’t talked about a Hernandez trade in months. “We'd be foolish to move him,'' Zduriencik said.
you should post this every day
I literally just heard the funniest comment. Pedro Gomes in discussing Felix Hernadez’ goals for 2011:
(not verbatim)
“His goals in 2011 are to win more games. With his stuff, he really shoudl’ve won more games”.
I guess, technically, he CAN throw a complete game shutout every game. He should focus more.
he doesn’t play the game the right way and isn’t scrappy
Roy Halladay remains unavailable.
The difference being that Roy Halladay’s team isn’t going to decide 1/3-way into the season to focus on rebuilding.
So a Francisco Cervelli for Felix Hernandez trade isn’t going to happen? I think Ramiro Pena could also be thrown in.
Come on, let’s be serious. We would need to include Igawa in there for it to make sense. 🙂
-1. I would think that the Yanks/M’s relationship would be damaged after all that crap that the M’s GM pulled in the failed Lee deal.
Yes, I’m sure if Felix was on the block, Cashman probably would not even bother calling because of his grudge.
Don’t worry Carpenter will be in Pinstripes mid season and Pujols will be a cub come 2012!!
Carpenter will be on the disabled list mid season, not in pinstripes. Actually, scratch that. He’ll be on the disabled list in pinstripes.
But why would you want that? It’s not ‘cub’
It’s Cub.
ok kreskin what are the lotto numbers for tonight?
It’s pretty ironic that you’re making predictions, and then asking sarcastically what the lottery numbers are to someone else making a prediction.
It’s pretty ironic that you’re making a prediction, then sarcastically asking about the lottery numbers from someone else making a prediction.
And the Yankees would still have the 4th best rotation in their division.
So wait, are you a Cards fan insulting your own current pitcher by making that comment?
No, it was mostly a joke with a shot at the Yankees current rotation. He wanted to troll, so I thought what the heck.
ahh
Red Sox and….Rays….and…..What?
Jays.
“PUT THAT ROCK DOWN!!!” screams the man with the bottle of Windex standing in front of his glass house at the man wearing the Cardinals hat.
now thats just mean
no its not he genuinely want him to quit smoking crack
Jack Zomie is a real s.o.b His owrd is worth crap. THe Yankees had a valid agreement in place for Lee and he literally pulled the rug out from under the Yankees feet at the last moment.
Even other GMS said that you don’t screw over the Yankees. The Yankees don’t forgive easily.
Bsides this moron would want Montero and Romine or Sanchez, plus Bamelous , Betancess abd Brackmsn
‘even other gms said you don’t screw over the yankees’
Honestly, when i read stuff like this, a little piece of me dies
Why is that? just curious
I shouldn’t have to answer that.. if you can’t figure it out on your own, you’re no better than him
Hypothetically, baseball or non-baseball you would be upset if someone screwed you over or went against your promise or agreement wouldn’t you? You would be upset and try to get your redemption. When the Yankees are paying revenue share to other teams especially the M’s they should do whatever they can to hurt them.
dude honestly spare me ..
I don’t care
I just hate when fans like captainjeter over there spew this annoying, arrogant, undeserved state of entitlement because they cheer for the yankees.
“Oh even other gms said you dont screw over the yankees” as if he’s saying thats the ONE team no one should screw over.
right, please spare me.
Calm down man take it easy. I understand your point now, sometimes I don’t see a non Yankees view of the organization the same and I’ll leave it at that
The Yankees were trying to give the Mariners a guy with a broken leg. When Zduriencik found out about it he asked for a different player. Cashman refused, and Lee went to the Rangers.
And Montero + Sanchez + Banuelos + Betances + Brackman is probably a fair price for a 24-year-old who is the best pitcher in the major leagues not named Halladay.
Felix is great but you are insane.
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No.
You really need to educate yourself, the players involved in the trade for Lee weren’t healthy, it is only sad that it was a toss in player and not Montero that failed his physical, so its ok for the Yanks to screw over every team they deal with but heaven forbid anyone says no to them? And as for the last part, of course he would ask for those players, why wouldn’t he?
Wow….the guy was on the disabled list for 2 months. The M’s scout should have been fired.
“Hey Jack, what’s up? What? Adams is on the DL? His medicals say he has a broken ankle? When was the last time I actually saw him play? Well ummm……I just assumed that he had the day off when I went to see him play. What? Really? Can I at least get a severance….(dial tone). Hello? D@mn!!! “.
Adams didn’t play a game since May 22nd. I’m not even a scout and I knew that. They had from May 22nd to JUly 10th to figure that out…hahaha.
That’s what I don’t understand. Do they not realize that him being on the DL was not meant to be a secret???
We did make an offer to Pavano so maybe Cashman has been in a forgiving mood of late?
Of course he would want that for an under 27 cy young winning true ace signed to a team friendly deal
Ahhh Bamelous, the coveted younger brother of Fabolous.
The Mariners turned down the Yankees’ offer for Cliff Lee after their review of the medical records on David Adams, who had a broken ankle. Yankee GM Brian Cashman was quoted last month:
“It is what it is,” Cashman said Tuesday. “You don’t have a deal until you officially have a deal. Our guy, Adams, didn’t pass the medicals. They went back to the original stuff I had been saying no to all along.”
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/larrystone/20142355…
Its not the M’s fault one of the YANKS players failed his physical…
Yeah it’s just the scouting departments fault for not knowing he hadn’t played a gamein 2 months.
Remember the Dodgers ticked off the Yankees when they were trying to acquire Randy Johnson in the proposed three way trade?
is bryce harper available?
The sad thing is, that Jack Z has to actually answer these kind of questions to make it clear to some people/writers.
Because the rest of the logical people see this as Jack Z having the potential to solve 5 or 6 problems with one asset? Can’t fault anyone for asking and if a lot of people are asking, then a lot people apparently see flaws in the team. No?
You’ve got to admire his desire to win, but he seems to have pretty immediate playoff ambitions. Like I continue to say, the way that team is current built, I can’t see a playoff caliber team until 2013, 2 years from now, or more so 2014, Felix’s last contract year. Then what, the Mariners bid against the Yanks, R Sox, Tigers, Phils?
Detroit lost 119 games in 2003, and in 2006 they were in the World Series. A lot can happen in 4 years and I can’t blame the guy for having playoff hopes. He would be dumb to trade away his ace this early into the deal
I like this….
It’s not like the mariners are in the al east and have to either outspend or plan and draft well for years to compete..
The mariners would be foolish to move him anytime before the last year of his deal.
And lest we forget the perennial cellar dwellers, the Rays, who in 2008 finished above .500 for the first time evr (And the first time they’d ever finished higher than fourth, second time outside of dead last) went to the Series as well. It’s far from unprecedented that a team turns it around in a timespan as long as four years.
Obviously there are flaws in the team. But baseball is a business. There are only a handful of players in baseball that people go to the ballpark just to watch. King Felix is one of those. Jack Z. will be able to get the same package for him in two years that he can now, no reason to rush anything.
You’re right there is no hurry at all, but that doesn’t mean it makes sense.
huh!? So your saying it doesn’t make sense for Z to trade Felix now but continue spamming the forum with Felix to the Yankees junk? Someone needs to get there head on straight…
Spamming? More like engaged in a discussion where I’m a fan that sees flaws in one team and another team that can help to correct that.
no….definitely spamming
🙂
Yet you would be angry if Montero, Betances and Banuelos were all included because the all mighty Yankees would be over paying correct?
That’s an underpay, brother.
Not to Yankee fans.
For Felix-freaking-Hernandez? Seriously? Come on!
The Mariners are one of the top revenue teams in the league, currently have a player making $18 million a year, and have fielded a $120 million dollar payroll.
They also have a revenue cash cow tv deal and a great park to attract fans and free agents alike. They can go toe to toe on bidding with any team in baseball.
And yet they spent about $15 mil on free agents this year and passed on players that could’ve easily helped their anemic offense that literally wasted an incredible seasons worth of pitching from Felix last year. Great job!
Yep because all those guys that you would trade( and you would probably try to steal Felix and not include at least 4 of the yankees top prospects) all of them would be in the bigs this season right? This team is better and has a better chance of winning with Felix than with out. And jack z is smart enough to try and trade Felix to the NL first so he does not have to face him as much
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I was talking about free agents they didn’t sign this past winter that could’vemade the M’s a better team in 2011. In the comment above I mentioned nothing about trading Felix to acquire offensive players, let alone trading him at all.
The Mariners are one of the top revenue teams in the league, currently have a player making $18 million a year, and have fielded a $120 million dollar payroll.
They also have a revenue cash cow tv deal and a great park to attract fans and free agents alike. They can go toe to toe on bidding with any team in baseball.
Seattle is actually middle of the pack according to Forbes, ranked 14th in 2010 with $191mil revenue, and also 14th in current value at $439mil.
They are one of the few teams that can acquire players like a Nintendo game. See the irony there?
Jack Z is not going to pull a Pujols and wait that long, at the 1.5 year mark he is going to reach out to Felix’s agent and gauge his interest in remaining with the club, at that point he will know when to shop him or negotiate, and trust me, Felix will be an Mariner after 2014.
Unless the M’s start to surround him with better players, especially those that can drive/score runs, what reasons would Felix have for wasting away the prime of his career beyond 2014? The team isn’t strapped for cash and they play in a “winnable” division.
He’s 24 years old, he’s gonna be in the prime of his career way past 2014.
“what reasons would Felix have for wasting away the prime of his career beyond 2014?”
He will be 28 when he becomes a free agent. Prime years are usually 27-32..yada yada bada bing bada boom. Hence, why should he resign with the M’s AFTER 2014 unless they make real efforts to improve the team, especially the offense?
What makes you think the Yankees would be the only ones bidding from him via trade. Just about every other team would and some of those teams have much better farms than the yankees. Also if he is with the m’s till 2014 why would he sign with the Yankees. Jeter would likely be gone or getting paid a ton. Arod would be close to 40 and making close to 30mill plus mo is gone and so would soriano. Tex would be older.
Also as a Yankees fan be more worried about cc opting out for another huge payday which he will get before you jump over m’s fans who say Felix isn’t going any where. And if lee didn’t want to play there for more years and more money why would Felix?
Dude, I have no idea what you’re talking about….(again). Please read my comment again before you jumpdown my throat. I’m pretty sure you won’t find anything where I said they would, should or are going to trade Felix anytime soon. Nice to jump down my throat with lame responses though.
speaking of cc, he’s an example of a pitcher who went to the yanks for more money, cliff lee is just one of the few guys who didn’t.
also, between now and 2014 the yankees will definitely sign some other people to support their aging core. the yankees always spend a lot of money, but they also always put a winning product on the field. i’m guessing felix would like that.
there’s a chance he’ll be like cliff and will want to stay where he’s comfortable, but there’s also a large chance he’ll go for big money and winning
Duh
… Oh no!! That means the Yankees will have to keep Gardner,Montero,Nunez, Betances, Banuelos, Brackman, Nova, Cervelli, Noesi, Laird and the concessions crew in the organization.
It’s a sad thing that Jack Z is a GM
Because he won’t just hand the yanks his best player?
no because of the busch league tactics he pulled in the failed Lee deal
Since when is a GM looking out for his own team a “sad thing.”
Yea smart GM you would rather trade for a guy convicted of sodomy!!
Yes, I’m sure sodomy was the exact reason why Z made that trade.
you said it not me!!
Instead of a “like” button on this site there needs to be a sarcasm button.
David Adams failed his physical so the M’s looked elsewhere. Every GM in the league would have done the same. And it’s not like the Yankees have never negotiated in bad faith. See: Randy Johnson trade, 1998.
The inclusion of Josh Lueke in the Cliff Lee trade raises serious ethical issues, but for the record Lueke was convicted of false imprisonment with violence, not sodomy.
He took the guy convicted of sodomy because he didn’t have a broken foot genius, and when Jack Z in good faith said lets review other players Cashman said no, and Jack Z dealt him to Texas, deal with it.
Jack Z and the Yankees had an agreement and obviously you know the rest
Dude, I’m a big time Yank fan too..But Jack Z is actually a good GM, a very good one at that. What he did preparing for the 2010 season was incredible. It just didn’t pan out. So many things went wrong and the result was so bad, that they can’t even make a lateral move, they went backwards. It was just an epic failure of a season. You know its one for the story books when a team sets all time lows in all offensive categories, wins 60 games, and their pitcher wins the cy young.
What he did with Cashman was business. Yeah it sucked at the time we didn’t get Lee, but I’m thanking god now that it didn’t happen and frankly, we’re going to be thankful we didn’t hand him that contract for 7 years, regardless of the fact the Yanks could have given $200mm if they wanted to and it wouldn’t have made a dent to the overall finances.
And with all due respect… maybe the Yanks shouldn’t have left an player in the deal they knew was injured.
“Oh, Z, I know you want this guy… but he’s injured. I’d rather tell you now than have you find out right before the deal ends, and have the whole thing blow up in our faces.”
Cashman could’ve gone there. The Yanks knew how badly their 2B prospect was injured, but they tried to see if they could slip one by Seattle in a non-headliner player.
May 22nd to July 10th…..’nuff said.
YOUR GM SAID IT’S BUSINESS HE ADMITTED TO THE WHOLE SITUATION HE SAID THE DEAL FELL THROUGH BECAUSE HIS KEY WORD HIS PROSPECT DIDN’T PASS HIS PHYSICAL.
The m’s more than likely knew he was hurt they are not stupid. They didn’t find out how bad untill they got his medicals which teams dont get untill close to done deal time. It was the Yankees that were not willing to change out the prospects. So in reality it was the yankees that walked away when the m’s got a better offer from Texas. Like cashman said a deal is not final untill it’s done.
Also dont act like cashman has not made mistakes. How did Javier Vasquez work out. How is aj Burnett working out. How did the whole jeter thing work out( with him getting massively over paid) who is cc going to work out after the Yankees don’t make the play offs and he opts out? How did the whole arod opt out work out( badly considering how now the Yankees are paying 100% of his contract and not using the close to half the money they got from Texas)
YOU ARE HILARIOUS TODAY!!!! Are you off your meds? First off, I’m not upset about the trade and never accused the M’s of doing anything wrong by backing out of the trade. What I clearly made light of is the dumb notion that somehow Cashman was trying to trick them into taking Adams. If I, a regular joe, with a job that has nothing to do with baseball and can only rely on what I read off of websites and blogs knew that Adams had a bad ankle and handn’t played a single game from May 22nd thru July 10th then wouldn’t you expect the M’s scouts, who I assume scouted the Yanks farm system before compiling a list of potential prospects to demand, would have known that?
And why the heck are you bringing up Cashman failures to me? Is my name Cashman? Did I bring up any bad trades made by Jack? Get off my nut.
What exactly were they supposed to scout? Kid wasn’t on the field, had a bum ankle, and as you state a dozen times he was already out for a month and a half. By the sounds of it the physical showed he wasn’t where he was supposed to be, physically. That’s why they have them.
They were supposed to say “We don’t even want you to bother putting Adams’ name in an offer because his ankle has kept him out for almost two months and we haven’t been able to scout him.”
What I wouldn’t expect him to say was “Okay, put his name in the trade agreement, sounds good.”
I’m not faulting them for passing on the trade. That point should be quite clear by now. What I am addressing is this idea that the Yanks tried to get over on the M’s by trying to “sneak” a player to them.
a) The M’s asked for Adams. From what I heard they gave them a list of prospects and Adams was one they chose.
b) He was on the 7day DL and had missed about 45 games prior to the deal falling thru. Hard to “hide” a guy who has missed that many games. It’s not like a pitcher who has complained of arm or shoulder pain but pitched thru the pain and the team tried to dump him on someone. IF I KNEW that he had a serious ankle injury as a fan, then how is it they didn’t know?
AGAIN…HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE M’S PASSING, JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RIDICULOUS NOTION THAT THE YANKS TRIED TO “TRICK” THEM INTO TAKING ADAMS.
How much worse than “broken” can an ankle get? Jack knew Adams’ ankle was broken, what did he think the medicals were going to say?
And yet who has the number 1 overall pick in the draft? Not the Mariners, so as bad as they were, there were other teams worse.
Perhaps Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees after the Yanks tried to trade a player with an undisclosed broken ankle in a deal for Cliff Lee. Yankee GM Brian Cashman was quoted last month:
“It is what it is,” Cashman said Tuesday. “You don’t have a deal until you officially have a deal. Our guy, Adams, didn’t pass the medicals. They went back to the original stuff I had been saying no to all along.”
From the Seattle Times on February 15.
Can an injury really be “undisclosed” if the player was on the DL as of …..May 25th
05/25/2010 Status Change Trenton Thunder David Adams Trenton Thunder placed 2B David Adams on the 7-Day disabled list. Ankle injury.
……and hadn’t been taken off at the timeof the trade.
Hahahaha.
Wouldn’t Busch league be demanding a team do a trade that day so you don’t have to be beaten by the player being traded??
Actually it’s forgetting the Guacamole at a party…
Busch league would be demanding a trade for a Player before game time so you don’t have to face that player. That …. Is Busch league.
Bush league, those were relievers that were once teammates together on the Blue Jays
Only if your a Yankees fan.
I think he should be traded. If he’s traded to the Yankees then they could easily get 3 blue chip prospects in return. Also, the Mariners would have some contracts coming off the books (Milton Bradley 12M among others). With the salary they save from trading King Felix and all these contracts coming off the books, they could make a serious run for Albert Pujols.
because the simple addition of albert pujols makes the M’s a contender?
The one thing that the M’s lack is offense. Safeco is a pitchers park and above average pitchers could hold their own in that park. If they have a great hitter like Pujols, I say yes it turns them into a contender. Ichiro and Figgins setting the table and Pujols knocking them in. Sounds good to me.
Not a big believer in the “quality pitching wins games” theory, eh?
I agree the M’s need to seriously beef up their offense before they can contend, but giving up someone who is arguably one of the top 3 most valuable pitchers in the game is not the way to do it.
Bavasi thought you only needed so-so pitchers in Seattle. That’s when you get trades like Horacio Ramirez for Rafael Soriano and rotations dependent on H Ramirez, Jeff Weaver, Miguel Bautista, and Jarrod Washburn.
Yes quality pitchers win games. Thats why you ask for Betances and Banelos + Montero from the Yankees. They are just a year away from the bigs and can make an impact. I’m sure they could get this package.
Its not like they are winning with King Felix right now. Also, if they can’t sign Pujols for any reason then they could make a run at Prince Fielder.. I think they are one big bat away from contending.
I’m always amazed that the same fans who year after year who have seen “sure thing” prospects either unable to hack it in the majors or far from what was advertised continue to believe that prospects may be better than the sure thing. The sad part is, I’m not longer sure why it amazes me. Despite a handful of yanks fans are already penciling in Betances and Banelos as their aces of the future, I’m sure Z is more thinking about how Hernandez is already a pitching phenom. Bird in the hand is more than a pair in the bush.
This team isn’t one bat away from contending. It’s new offense away from contending. And gutting the best part of the pitching staff to get that offense is just going to cause a whole new problem, or old problem (see my reference to the Mariners 2007 pitching staff above). One where even if they could slug their way to the playoffs, they get swept out of the first round.
I agree. M’s WILL PROBABLY be forced to deal Felix eventually, but it’s probably not going to be a serious thought in their mind until winter of 2013 in my opinion. But why are they wasting the next couple of years by fielding such a sh!tty offense?
All else being equal, if the M’s stay a middle of the road team, then yes I think they’ll consider cashing in on Hernandez. And despite him being owed $20M for a season at that point, I think there will be a few team still willing to offer up a staggering load of prospects.
Right now though, if the M’s don’t add some kind of real power to their line up then they’re just praying for a 2001 repeat surprise. They certainly can afford the payroll and with the Bradley/Silva mistake off the payroll next season it should be high time they make a serious move into the FA market.
I’m pretty sure Montero, Betances, Brackman (all three in the top 75), Nunez (a stand out player/prospect with MLB time) and let them take two of Mitchell, Mesa, etc gets it done..A lot of people are projecting Ackley to be more of an OF’r apparently, so Nunez would come in very handy, shoot we could throw Laird in, who is a fairly legit minor league player to solve third and keep figgins at 2nd and move Ackley to LF.
i would be shocked if they couldn’t get a better package.
I’m just asking. Who do you think can give the Mariners a better package?
Well in theory, the Royals certainly COULD. The Rays COULD part with Hellickson, Jennings, etc. Either way, this is all probably moot as I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
No wrong that’s my point. The Ray aren’t going to clear their farm system and either are the royals. Both teams can’t. The future of those teams can’t handle trading for him.
And I guess all it would take the rays is to part with hellickson and Jennings right?
And then the rays and royals are going to keep him for what three years. Or are they going to sign him also?
i would like to see some proposals from other teams to top that offer
Except figgens is moving back to 3rd where he is at his best and most comfortable
Felix is like a million times better than Betances/Baneulos’ ceiling
What package can’t you say that about? That’s why theres multiple names for a phenom pitcher in his prime. Obviously one prospect won’t get it done. But you’re a downright fool if you think headlining a package with one of those two and Montero wouldn’t get the M’s interested if they were going to entertain offers.
it would have to be at least montero, betances and banuelos. at least
montero sanchez betances banuelos aaannnd how bout heathcott. maybe nunez
“that’s crazy”
no u are x 1000000
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Ppl throw Nunez around as a throw in for a bigger trade but I think he might really shock ppl once he gets a chance to play. I can’t rember where but I read someone compare him to Cano coming out of AA/AAA. If you look at Cano’s path, he wasn’t a top 100 prospect coming out of AAA and his lifetime slash was only .278/.331/.425.
Not saying he will be a “Cano” type hitter but it wouldn’t shock me if he became a better than average SS with the bat and glove either. A solid .285/.350/.450 with 10 hrs and 15-20 steals.
Almost NOBODY saw Cano coming, myself included. I agree if Nunez can get a good amount of playing time he will surprise people.
it looks to me like he’s got a quick swing with good bat speed
I’d rather just keep Felix and go after Pujols or Fielder in the offseason. It’s not as if Felix is standing in the way of the M’s signing a big bat.
Also Felix is 24 year old. Having expensive players isn’t a huge problem if they’re incredibly productive expensive players. It’s when you have productive expensive players heading into their decline years that you have a big problem.
I guess this means that Pujols on the Pirates makes them a contender too!
No it does not. They don’t have the any arms in the rotation which are even above average. They don’t have the payroll as well. I suggested the M’s because they already have a 100M dollar payroll while the Pirates have about 40. Being sarcastic does not dismiss a viable scenario for the M’s.
Pujols going to the M’s is a viable scenario! The M’s contending with just the addition of Pujols to baseballs most anemic offense,, not so realistic. Hence the sarcasm!
No, but 3 of the Yanks top pitching prospects, likely Montero included and making a run at Pujols, which option would a Mariners fan have? One Felix and 7 dwarfs or a serious SERIOUS line – up. Tack on Pineda and Ackley, Smoak alternates DH and first with Pujols.
But could you not get a similar return for Felix in say..3 years when his deal is close to ending?
Pipe dream my friend Albert is not going to Seattle, it Cards or Cubs!
Lottery numbers? Can I have them?
Safeco is a haven for lefties, it eats righties alive, don’t get me wrong, love Pujols, but he would hate Safeco.
Z is a moron. Building a team around a guy who plays once every five days says all you need to know about the Mariners and their idiot management. Why trade a guy for Hughes, Cano, and Montero when you canget an extra 10,000 for his bobblehead night?
Whoa! Okay, I get Felix is a top 5 pitcher in the league, but no way the Yanks trade away Cano. Actually, I can’t see them trading away Hughes either.
No way the Mariners want Cano either. His deal runs out before Felix’s does.
Hughes they will move for Felix…
But cano? No chance… Plus cano will need a contract soon, so why would the mariners want him If they could lose him?
If pushed came to shove and depending on what else is included, yes? But the idea is to improve the rotation and not just one spot.
of course, but I’m thinking the trade isn’t imminent..
meaning in 2 or 3 years when the yanks have a few of those studs in the minors move up to the big club.
And before “screaming M’s fan” starts yelling at me, I am not insisting that Felix will be traded and if he is, not neccesarily to the Yankees.
the fact that you wrote this is troubling… try running your posts by others before you post them
a post editor is a great idea.
Really? But then who’s going to take Nova and Pena off our hands? Seriously though, most people know this already. There is no reason for the M’s to trade Felix right now.
If all the young players Z is counting on to form the core of the next team end up busting, THEN it’s time to trade Felix. This is the season where we figure out if we have that core, or we don’t. And if we don’t, if there’s anything we can do about it besides trading our best player.
The Yanks need to worry about that big lefty in Sabathia who can opt out after this year, not King Felix
How should they worry about him, exactly?
You’re right, in the event CC opts out the Yankees should stop worrying about the rest of the rotation, particularly another ace. That makes perfect sense.
even if he does opt out it will just be to get a longer deal with the yankees
so either way
Felix for Lohse, straight up
And Rasmus.
Oh boy here we go again with Rasmus
Felix Hernandez Remains Unavailable.
Also, The Earth Is Round.
In other news, ice is cold.
The problem is that king felix’s value,because of his remaining years, his age and how freaking good he is, is simply too High…
A team would have to give up the biggest trade package ever. Making it almost not even worth it at this point…
I can see him being traded, especially if the mariners don’t turn things around.. But I can’t see him being move for another few years
And I think Hughes becomes a FA the same time or a year before Felix anyway.
I agree 100%. It’s almost like the law of dimished returns. If you’re trading Hughes, Montero, plus 4 other top 100 prospects then what’s the point? Especially when the guy has to be given another $150-$200 to keep him long enough to make it worthwhile.
Also, the M’s have Felix locked up through 2014… He will be 27 in 2014.
The M’s can wait 2 years and see what happens with Ackley, Smoak, Pineda, Chavez and so on. If they have a solid team, you keep Felix until 2014. If they turn out to be busts, you trade him after the 2013 off season. He will be of equal or greater value at that point than he is today (barring injury or some other tragedy).
how have you not gotten a new browser yet?
True, however don’t expect the return to be the same. But winning should be the main concern for the M’s not what they can get when/if they decide to trade him.
“Felix Hernandez Remains Unavailable, Yankee fans pretend to be deaf”
If Felix is traded, it will not be until the final year of his current contract.
His availability is contingent on the development of Ackley, Smoak, Pineda, Chavez, Franklin, Liddi, Seager, Moore, Saunders, Lueke, Cortes, etc etc etc. If enough of these guys pan out to help create a solid nucleus in addition to Felix and the Mariners are able to become a contending team, an extension will be negotiated. Felix has stated his preference of Seattle, and if he wants to stay, the Mariners will pay him royally to keep him here.
Why is this so hard for people to grasp?
You can put me in the minority of other Yankee fans when I say I don’t want the Yankees to trade for Hernandez. I want to see our hometown kid Betances make the team as well as Banuelos.
“Ok, to be fair he did want to finish it as a tiger but they did not want him back. Still, you are right on the money. ”
He wanted to finish his career as a Yankee, but they didn’t want him back.
He wanted to finish his career as a Red Sox, but they didn’t want him back.
Is anyone else seeing the pattern here?
I’m waiting for the “I want to be a Ray for life” press conference mid July before we see him sign a minor league deal with the Royals saying “I never wanted to leave, really.”
“how have you not gotten a new browser yet? ”
To be fair, disqus does this crap to me sometimes on Firefox AND Chrome too.
That said, some of us post from work and are stuck with IE.
i don’t think any team would be willing to give up enough. as a yankees fan i would not be happy if they gave up montero, banuelos, and betances. plus i think felix’s value is even higher than that, it’s just really hard to give up literally everything you as a team has been building in the minors
It’s not the end of the world if the Yankees don’t get Hernandez. The Yankees have some young arms to get really excited about and are highly regarded among scouts. I am in favor in letting them getting a crack at reaching the bigs.
Yankees don’t need Felix Hernandez. Not when they have Bartolo Colon.
No one is unavailable, yankees offer 200 mill to help fund a broadway musical. That should get it done.
Am i the only one that notices that yanksfan78 is a troll….i mean look at his profile picture, as big a troll as i ever seen!