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Quick Hits: Indians, Red Sox, Ortiz, Beltran, Orioles

By Zachary Links | December 25, 2011 at 11:07pm CDT

Some links as Sunday turns into Monday…

  • In a mailbag, Paul Hoynes of The Cleveland Plain-Dealer says he still expects the Indians to pursue a veteran hitter before the season. The Tribe recently made a run at Carlos Beltran.
  • Each year is a different story for the Red Sox, but the club typically meets its biggest needs in November and December, writes Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald.  However, since the current ownership group took over a decade ago, they have made some key additions in January and February, including their pickup of David Ortiz off of waivers in early 2003.
  • The Red Sox were among several suitors for Carlos Beltran who dangled the designated hitter spot as a way to prolong his career, but the veteran wanted to continue to play in the outfield, writes Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  The Blue Jays, and Indians were also among the American League teams in the mix for Beltran.
  • The Orioles aren't counting on Brian Roberts being ready for Spring Training, so Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com takes a look at the club's second base situation heading into 2012.  Based on executive vice president Dan Duquette's comments yesterday, it doesn't sound as though the club is looking to trade for a solution at second.
  • Agent Scott Boras, who negotiated Daisuke Matsuzaka's six-year, $52MM deal in 2006, is no fan of the Japanese posting system, Silverman writes.  Boras says that the actual talks with Boston weren't unpleasant, but he would have preferred to see his client choose between other cities that might have fit him better.
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  1. mikhelb

    14 years ago

    “(Boras) is no fan of the Japanese posting system, Silverman writes.”

    True meaning: I’d wished a bidding war with the yankees and sox heavily involved to get more money for me… err my client I mean.

    Reply
    • JohnnyHamer

      14 years ago

      I agree with you and tuna411. If Boras could profit and get a % of the bid I am sure he would be a bigger fan.

      I don’t like the process but can’t think of anything better outside of an international draft.

      Reply
  2. dudemanbro

    14 years ago

    it’s official: dice-k and yankees fans are the only people that don’t hate the dice-k contract

    Reply
    • Rabbitov

      14 years ago

      I just wince when I look at 2010 for Beckett, Lackey, and Matsuzaka.  How many teams had less of a payroll than just those three starters? 

      Reply
      • NickinIthaca

        14 years ago

        Don’t forget to wince when you think of 2/3 of these guys being terrible in 2011 and in 2012 when 2/3 of them will be down with TJS.

        Reply
  3. Cora the Destroya

    14 years ago

    Dice-K isn’t THAT bad.

    Reply
    • Lastings

      14 years ago

      In what world have you been living in?

      Reply
      • Cora the Destroya

        14 years ago

        In 2008, he was in the running for Cy Young.  I realize he didn’t throw a lot of innings, but he still had an ERA around 2.  His WAR then was 5.1. That’s not bad.

        Reply
        • RangersFan4ever

          14 years ago

          Then. What about now?

          Reply
      • mainesox

        14 years ago

        He didn’t come close to living up to the hype, but (when he was on the field) he wasn’t a terribly bad pitcher.

        Reply
        • Lastings

          14 years ago

          If it will make you happy, I can say this…I would take Dice-K over Oliver Perez any day. Then again, I would take a softball pitcher over Oliver as well.

          Reply
          • User 4245925809

            14 years ago

            Notice both ar Boras clients there.

            Edwin Jackson might be the next mentioned in the same breath as Ollie baby as well.. they are both the same non talent.. no control, no success and Boras hyping a non existent  “stuff” and imaginary success to show Jackson should get even more than ollie did even.

            When all 3’s career is over, Matsuzaka’s ’07-08 might have been the best performance wise of any those 3 by a country mile.

            Reply
            • Lunchbox45

              14 years ago

              maybe in one year.. but E jacks in improving, and isn’t all that bad..

              I mean he’s been better than gio gonzalez the last 2 years, and look what the A’s just got for him.

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              • User 4245925809

                14 years ago

                In a way? yes.. they both have poor control and have benefited from pitchers parks as a home stadium to throw half of their games in, but Gonzalez has made the best of it.

                IMO? Gonzalez would have been a poor fit at fenway. lefty, poor control, no matter how well he was able to work himself out of bad situations previously.

                Having a different change of avenue, with a stadium that lends itself to leading (or close) to extra base hits nearly every season with a lefty like this was not a good gamble with the cost as high as it seems to have been.

                Have mentioned this many times here.. Lefties (SP) with success have been few and far between at Fenway. Bill lee, Bruce Hurst and Lester, none of which had control problems while many have been moved on (LH) who had good success like Ojeda, Tudor etc..

                Reply
        • Earl Gendron

          14 years ago

          Yeah, he was a good #3 or 4 pitcher

          Reply
  4. marinersfan1977

    14 years ago

    Boston didn’t claim Ortiz off waivers. They signed him as a free agent after Minnesota non-tendered him after the 2002 season. 

    Reply
    • Corey 2

      14 years ago

      We may be wrong, but that was my first thought as well.

      Reply
    • commenter3346

      14 years ago

      It’s coming from the same guy who wrote an article calling Jason Varitek the best catcher in Red Sox history. He’s most likely wrong.

      Reply
  5. jesse heiman

    14 years ago

    Imagine Rays signed Fielder to that lineup…

    Reply
  6. Corey 2

    14 years ago

    Ryan Theriot and Baltimore. Great fit till ROberts is back and can play ss on days off. Great clubhouse guy and good off the bench. Loved him when he played for the Cubs, would be an asset off the bench in my opinion.

    Reply
    • dudemanbro

      14 years ago

      theriot doesn’t play SS, he impersonates someone playing SS. he has the arm of a four year old and the range of a cinderblock

      Reply
      • Kevin Taaffe

        14 years ago

        Baltimore has JJ Hardy at shortstop. KingCorey meant for theriot to play second for roberts until he gets healthy

        Reply
        • dudemanbro

          14 years ago

          “can play ss on days off”

          Reply
          • Kevin Taaffe

            14 years ago

            theriot is capable of playing ss a few days a year

            Reply
            • dudemanbro

              14 years ago

              theriot is capable of playing SS on a little league field

              Reply
  7. Steve_in_MA

    14 years ago

    Why do guys like Goold continue to insist the Red Sox are “in” on an expensive free agent outfielder, like Beltran?  At best, we made some due diligence calls.  We are at or near the luxury tax line (and loathe to go way over it), we had the best offense in the MLB last season utilizing guys who make less than $500K in right field, we have two decent prospects (Reddick/Kalish) from our farm system (plus a journeyman in McDonald) cheaply to play right  and our stated focus (as well as obvious need) is for pitching.  We weren’t “IN” on Beltran, or Cuddyer, or anyone else who plays outfield and makes/would make more than $2MM per season.  Even if sources are saying this, its time to employ common sense and say, “really?”

    Reply
  8. User 4245925809

    14 years ago

    If Boston can somehow get Ross on a 2 8-10m deal as a 4th OF and backup to Reddick/kalish in RF that is a better proposition and expenditure of salary over the 2/26m Beltran just got and Ross can play every OF position.

    Would be interesting to see how well he could hit in a decent offensive stadium for a change also and nobody ever questioned his intensity. In that regard he has always been top quality.

    Reply
    • Lefty

      14 years ago

      Hey….what made you change your tune about “Sir” Cody Ross?
      As for me, you know it’s either been Aoki or Ross. Although all the bloggers who responded to me were totally against him (Ross).

      The Oriole should consider picking up Ross and trading Reimold for Chone Figgins, but only if the Mariners are going to pick up the majority of his salary as was rumored on here a month back.

      That trade would be fair for both teams. Reimold gets a chance and a change of scenery and Figgins might be able to fill the possible void at second base. I love Andino, but some competition would be good for business!

      Reply
  9. User 4245925809

    14 years ago

    Don’t think ever changed my mind regarding Ross as some kind of backup plan, or originally from:

    1) Willingham
    2) Crisp

    as players wanted the Sox to get this off season.

    I have watched Ross an awful lot over his career, much like Hammer Willingham with time as a marlin as am a huge marlin fan as well as Boston and try to watch both teams games 🙂

    Don’t think any chance Crisp price will drop enough for the salary Boston is going to spend. This off season they seem to be going ultra cheap since ortiz accepted arbitration and Ross is the only “universal” player left now I see who can play all OF positions, play them well and would be upper level performer as a 4th OF, not to mention would not hurt them if pressed into a starting RF in the event both Kalish and Reddick failed next season.

    Ross would be a nice pickup for any team though and in memorial stadium as well, where the ball carries well think he could put up some good power numbers. He really is an energetic figure and was a leader with the Fish on those teams and one of the people who kind of kept Ramirez (hanley) in check when he had issues.

    Reply
    • Lefty

      14 years ago

      Ross would be a nice pickup for any team though and in memorial stadium (OPACY)! as well, where the ball carries well think he could put up some good power numbers. He really is an energetic figure and was a leader with the Fish on those teams and one of the people who kind of kept Ramirez (hanley) in check when he had issues.
      It’s funny you mention Hanley Ramirez, he’s a player I have tremendous interest in acquiring! I know all about the drama that he’s caused, but I think eventually he will mature, but he needs a change of scenery to do so. Since he did really well under the watchful eye of Jim Presley during his time as Marlins hitting coach, I think he would do well in Baltimore! If Cody Ross can jump aboard as well even better.

      If the Orioles want to jump in the standings, they are going to have to beat the Red Sox during this offseason.  Red Sox have been mentioned with all the players I have interest in during this offseason with either Free agency or trade.

      Cody Ross
      Hanley Ramirez
      Roy Oswalt
      Hiroki Kuroda
      Andrew Bailey

      We will see what happens!

      Reply

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