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Red Sox Notes: Quentin, Madson, Soriano

By Zachary Links | December 31, 2011 at 5:33pm CDT

Here's a look at some Red Sox items courtesy of WEEI.com's Rob Bradford..

  • Prior to him being traded to the Padres earlier today, the Red Sox weren't engaged in talks for Carlos Quentin, a major league source tells Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.  One of the major concerns from Boston's perspective, according to the source, was the 29-year-old’s ability to play right field in Fenway Park.
  • The Red Sox never got the sense that Ryan Madson's price would drop enough to make him a viable option.  Multiple big league execs surmise that Madson’s agent, Scott Boras, is looking for a deal similar to the one he landed for Yankees set-up man Rafael Soriano.  Boras managed to get Soriano a three-year, $35MM deal last offseason after the market for closers appeared to have dried up.
  • Boston could stand pat and take care of their right field situation with in-house solutions.  The newly-acquired Ryan Sweeney could split time Darnell McDonald and converted infielder Mike Aviles could also factor in.  Ryan Kalish should be in the mix too upon recovering from shoulder surgery. 
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  1. Phillies_Aces35

    14 years ago

    Are you kidding me, he has no suitors left who can pay $35 million for a closer. I mean, I guess if anyone can get that contract, its Boras but $30 million over 3 years is a little more reasonable for a guy of Ryan Madson’s talents.

    Boras blew his only chance with a team that would give him $12 million.

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      14 years ago

      I’d give him 3/27 with a player opt out clause after 1 year.

      Reply
      • nictonjr

        14 years ago

        I wouldn’t give him a big first year.  If wants 1/7 with mutual options at 10, I’d be for it.  Other than that, I’d do a one year deal and offer arb at the end if he’s still an ‘A’….

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    • Chunk Light

      14 years ago

      I think that Boras has misread the situation but like many have said, all it takes is one stupid team to bid against themselves and once again make him look crazy smart!  I would rather have Soriano than Madson to start and the Yankees picked him up because their current closer is a freak of Nature who is being studied by science to explain how he still is getting the job done at geezer age!

      Reply
      • Rangersfan32 2

        14 years ago

        Soriano over Madson? Are you serious?

        Reply
    • cyberboo

      14 years ago

      Isn’t it convenient how writers forget how Soriano got his contract for that amount.  Hal Steinbrenner ordered Cashman to sign him, regardless of cost, and Cashman had no choice.  If the owners didn’t interfere, since Cashman is on record as saying Steinbrenner ordered him to sign him, Soriano would now be pitching for 5M a season for three years, if that, since no one was interested.  Fielder, Madson, Pena, plus all the Boras clients are in the same boat in 2012.  No one is willing to pay what he is asking for and they remain unsigned, as teams have opted for other players ahead of them.  Boras either drops his demands for his clients, or his clients enter 2012 in limbo, with nowhere left to play.

      Reply
      • jjs91

        14 years ago

        There is absolutly no chance thatsoriano would of had to accept five million per year.

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        • cyberboo

          14 years ago

          If no one signs him, since the Yankees were his last hope, he takes what is offered or he sits at home.  That is his only option.

          Reply
      • Wek

        14 years ago

        It wasn’t Cashman at all. Levine and Hal were the ones who did the negotiation, Cashman had not part in it. 

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    • Lars Chunks

      14 years ago

      or if he ends up like Soriano… a non closer

      Reply
      • Phillies_Aces35

        14 years ago

        He doesn’t want to set up any more though, he’d probably have accepted arbitration if that was the case.

        Reply
  2. xfipMachine

    14 years ago

    Sweeney is not a solid long term anything. Kalish is a future Shin-Soo Choo, though.

    Reply
    • jjs91

      14 years ago

      No hes not

      Reply
      • mainesox

        14 years ago

        Choo might be a little optimistic, but I don’t think it’s too far off from Kalish’s potential.  Definitely a similar type of player.

        Reply
        • Matthew T

          14 years ago

          Choo is probably the very very top of his ceiling.  I don’t think he’ll ever have that kind of plate discipline, but a 20/20 guy with solid BA, OBP and defense is certainly within the realm of possibility.

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          • mainesox

            14 years ago

            Right, that’s probably a better way of saying what I was trying to say. 

            Kind of Choo-lite I guess: slightly lower AVG, and fewer walks (which adds up to a reasonably sized gap in OBP); similar power and quite possibly more steals though.

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            • nictonjr

              14 years ago

              Choo-lite for league minimum sounds pretty good…

              Reply
    • harmony55

      14 years ago

      Here are the limited MLB numbers for Ryan Kalish and for Shin-Soo Choo at a similar age:

      Kalish 179 PA, .252/.306/.405/.710, 88 OPS+
      Choo 200 PA, .257/.342/.411/.753, 96 OPS+ 

      … and their career minor league lines:

      Kalish 1693 PA, .280/.367/.429/.796
      Choo 3109 PA, .287/.385/.453/.838

      Reply
  3. dudemanbro

    14 years ago

    “Boras managed to get Soriano a three-year, $35MM deal”

    still hilarious a year later

    Reply
    • Lastings

      14 years ago

      Boras and Soriano are still laughing their way to the bank…

      Reply
    • Shu13

      14 years ago

      w/ a player option after each yr….lol

      Reply
  4. BoSoxFan1950

    14 years ago

    So, what are the chances that Boras’ clients bail out on him and get a new agent? Cuba Gooding’s character in “Jerry McQuire” said it all, “SHOW ME THE MONEY!”

    Reply
    • Matthew T

      14 years ago

      Ah yes, Jerry McQuire.  British detective and alter ego of Jerry Maguire.

      Reply
      • BoSoxFan1950

        13 years ago

        Thanks for the correction.

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    • Shu13

      14 years ago

      I don’t see Madson bailing on borASS..I do see him being convinced to take a 1/$8m-9m deal(few teams will jump at that) and go at it next season ala Beltre

      Reply
  5. bomberj11

    14 years ago

    Hey, Barry Bonds hasn’t officially retired yet, has he?

    Reply
  6. llorcs

    14 years ago

    Cherington is smokin’ something if he thinks an Oakland replacement player and an inconsistent backup journeyman platooning in right field is legit.  Byrd or maybe even Ross or Spilborgs is a better (not great but better) option until either Kalish comes back (no guarantee he will anytime soon) or FA hits next year.  Nickel and diming on scrap-heap outfielders doesn’t cut it when you have a $170M+ payroll and a big hole in RF.  Open the coin purse, Benny.

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    • Rangersfan32 2

      14 years ago

      Sweeney might be a decent RF for Boston. He wasn’t terrible in Oakland and will now get to play in more hitter friendly parks against worse pitching staffs (for AL East opposed to the AL West staffs). So he could actually be a solid pickup.

      Reply
    • BoSoxFan1950

      13 years ago

      Just for the record, “Benny,” unfortunately, does not hold the strings to the “coin purse.” The three stooge-like owners do.

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