Headlines

  • Shelby Miller Likely Headed For Tommy John Surgery
  • Red Sox To Place Roman Anthony On Injured List
  • Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Diagnosed With Torn ACL
  • Braves Claim Ha-Seong Kim From Rays
  • Jason Adam Likely Headed For Season-Ending Quad Surgery
  • Mariners Promote Harry Ford, Release Donovan Solano
  • Previous
  • Next
Register
Login
  • Hoops Rumors
  • Pro Football Rumors
  • Pro Hockey Rumors

MLB Trade Rumors

Remove Ads
  • Home
  • Teams
    • AL East
      • Baltimore Orioles
      • Boston Red Sox
      • New York Yankees
      • Tampa Bay Rays
      • Toronto Blue Jays
    • AL Central
      • Chicago White Sox
      • Cleveland Guardians
      • Detroit Tigers
      • Kansas City Royals
      • Minnesota Twins
    • AL West
      • Houston Astros
      • Los Angeles Angels
      • Oakland Athletics
      • Seattle Mariners
      • Texas Rangers
    • NL East
      • Atlanta Braves
      • Miami Marlins
      • New York Mets
      • Philadelphia Phillies
      • Washington Nationals
    • NL Central
      • Chicago Cubs
      • Cincinnati Reds
      • Milwaukee Brewers
      • Pittsburgh Pirates
      • St. Louis Cardinals
    • NL West
      • Arizona Diamondbacks
      • Colorado Rockies
      • Los Angeles Dodgers
      • San Diego Padres
      • San Francisco Giants
  • About
    • MLB Trade Rumors
    • Tim Dierkes
    • Writing team
    • Advertise
    • Archives
  • Contact
  • Tools
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2026-27 MLB Free Agent List
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Agency Database
  • NBA/NFL/NHL
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors
  • App
  • Chats
Go To Pro Hockey Rumors
Go To Hoops Rumors

Which Players Might Bring Draft Pick Compensation After 2012?

By Tim Dierkes | February 15, 2012 at 11:43am CDT

After accepting Boston's arbitration offer this winter, David Ortiz submitted a $16.5MM salary figure for 2012 against the team's $12.65MM.  They ended up settling at the midpoint recently.  Ortiz's $14.575MM salary will not be possible for a free agent accepting arbitration after the 2012 season, however, because the new collective bargaining agreement simplified the process.  Draft pick compensation for a departing free agent will require the team to make a "qualifying offer" in the $12-13MM range.  The qualifying offer amount will be determined by averaging the top 125 salaries from 2011.  This offer will be fixed each offseason, even for players already earning more than the qualifying offer amount, MLB told me today.

Though 2011 salaries are used for the 2012 qualifying offer (which reflects the player's potential 2013 salary), MLB does not seem to know the exact amount, so we'll use $12.5MM as a proxy for now.  For elite free agents, a qualifying offer will be a lock, as will their decision to turn it down.  The locks for 2012 appear limited to starting pitchers: Matt Cain, Cole Hamels, and Zack Greinke.  A look at the more borderline potential free agents from the 2012-13 class follows.

  • Yadier Molina, Mike Napoli, Miguel Montero: $12.5MM catchers are pretty rare, though one could make a sabermetric case that all three will be worth risking that amount on a guaranteed one-year deal if they have solid 2012 seasons.  Montero seems the least likely of the trio to receive a qualifying offer, however.
  • Lance Berkman: If Berkman replicates his 2011 season, the Cardinals won't mind risking a raise of less than a million bucks.  But if he plays 125 games and is only pretty good, it'll be a tough decision.
  • Brandon Phillips: By exercising his 2012 option, the Reds showed they were comfortable with an $11.25MM net price on Phillips.  If he slips back to his 2008-10 production level, that may give the Reds pause.  If they offer and Phillip accepts, there would be a trade market if the Reds find the salary prohibitive.
  • Erick Aybar, Stephen Drew: Like Montero, the player may be worth $12.5MM in a sense, but the large raise could be hard to stomach.  Some of these qualifying offer questions are likely to be eliminated by extensions or diminished performance.
  • David Wright: If Wright struggles to an extent in 2012 where the Mets determine he is not worth a $15MM net option price for 2013, would they be willing to risk $12.5MM for two potential draft picks?  Would Wright be too insulted to consider accepting?
  • Josh Hamilton: I almost had Hamilton as a lock, as it's difficult to picture a scenario where the Rangers are unwilling to offer a one-year, $12.5MM deal.
  • Michael Bourn, B.J. Upton, Shane Victorino: Bourn and Upton are good examples of a borderline guys, as the Braves and Rays will probably not be thrilled with the idea of offering them $12.5MM for 2013.  Victorino seems a bit more likely to get an offer from the Phillies.
  • Andre Ethier, Carlos Quentin, Nick Swisher, David Ortiz: It's tough to call until we see how these guys play in 2012, but Ortiz seems to have the best chance of an offer.
  • Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, Colby Lewis, Shaun Marcum, Brandon McCarthy, Anibal Sanchez: Sanchez seems the best bet here, given a typical season.  No one else quite feels like a $12.5MM pitcher, but with decent years they'd all have cases.  Even Francisco Liriano could merit consideration with a bounceback campaign.
  • Ryan Madson, Mariano Rivera, Francisco Rodriguez, Jose Valverde: I expect qualifying offers for relievers to be hard to come by, and my guess is none of these guys receive one.
Share 0 Retweet 17 Send via email0

Uncategorized

Rays Extend Joe Maddon
Main
Minor Moves: Fisher, Crowe, Rockies
View Comments (34)
Post a Comment

34 Comments

  1. chico65

    14 years ago

    Wow…there’s no variation in the required qualifying offer by position, so all the ridiculous contracts for first basemen drive up the offer for a second baseman? 

    It’s going to take a while to learn the nuances of this new CBA

    Reply
    • jhfdssdaf

      14 years ago

      That was the idea, though more focused on relief pitchers.  Under the old system, Octavio Dotel was a type A free agent.  The Cardinals would have offered him arbitration, which essentially eliminated free agency for him.  Is he worth the $3.5 million he would have gotten in arbitration?  Detroit thought so, and the Cardinals may have as well.  Would Detroit have been willing to sacrifice a first rounder in addition to the salary?

      Not a chance.

      Reply
    • Patrick OKennedy

      14 years ago

      As it should be.  Compensation should be based on compensating a team for losing it’s most valuable players.  If the player has value, they’ll be paid accordingly.  No more players who are at the head of the class at a less valuable position being branded as Type A free agents, deterring clubs from signing them. No more clubs getting half a dozen supplemental first round picks because they allow six middle relievers to walk.

      Reply
  2. Jeff 30

    14 years ago

    Tim, the figure for this season would have been: $12,532,063.33

    You have to figure it should be between 12,750,000 and 13,000,000 for next season.

    Reply
    • martinfv2

      14 years ago

       Matt Swartz got $12.65MM, using 2011 data.  So yeah I agree, although MLB has thrown the 12.4-5 estimate out there so far.

      Reply
      • Jeff 30

        14 years ago

        Got it.  I just used excel to get my figure (along with Cot’s) so MAtt’s is probably more reliable.

        That said, I appreciate the analysis.  It certainly changes everything at the trade deadline (as will adding more wild cards).

        Reply
        • Patrick OKennedy

          14 years ago

           That number will surely go up.  Not just because of the big free agent contracts this off season, which are partially offset by some bigger contracts expiring, but also because of the increase in the minimum wage, multiplied over a couple hundred players.

          Reply
  3. chenlinini

    14 years ago

    No Swisher, Tim? I think he’d be a definite borderline candidate considering his performance, age, 2012 salary, and the team that he plays for. Low risk, moderate reward given the team.

    Reply
  4. Roy Munson

    14 years ago

    Swisher, no?

    Reply
    • martinfv2

      14 years ago

       Oh yeah, good one to lump in with Ethier and such.

      Reply
    • Devon Henry

      14 years ago

      Swisher for 12 mil oh gawd no.

      Reply
    • shockey12 2

      14 years ago

      No. Swisher isn’t even close to being worth $13M

      Reply
      • Roy Munson

        14 years ago

        Never quite did understand the Swisher hate, He’s versatile, plays a manageable right field and gets on base a ton. Look at how much some other RF’ers are getting paid and compare it to Swishers Salary this year… He’s a steal at 10.25 Mill. So he’s real close to being worth 13 MMnext year.

        Reply
      • Bill Baxter

        14 years ago

        Swish has been fairly consistently a 3-4 fWAR player. 1 year for 13M is a deal the Yankees jump at if he has another typical Swish year. They have no legit internal replacements, and the free agent OF market next year really doesn’t offer a no doubt upgrade. The AAV might be slightly higher than what he would get on the open market, but that would be a worthy tradeoff  in not having to give him a 3-5 year contract. 
        The likelihood is that Swish would decline the qualifying offer.

        Reply
        • aricollins

          14 years ago

          Josh Hamilton is a no-doubt upgrade, but I agree with everything else you say, including that a one-year deal with Swisher would probably be better.

          Reply
  5. Jacob York

    14 years ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Yankees make that offer for Rivera if he’s still effective this year

    Reply
    • martinfv2

      14 years ago

       Well, they didn’t offer arb before his current contract.

      Reply
      • Bill Baxter

        14 years ago

        12-13M would be a discount over his current contract
        They didn’t offer arb because he could have gotten over 15M in the arb process. If he is effective again, I doubt the Yankees balk at offering the required 12-13M
        It really doesn’t matter though since there is virtually zero chance Mo signs somewhere else.

        Reply
    • Roy Munson

      14 years ago

       No Way, if he decides to play beyond this year it will be on 1 year deals with the Yankees Only

      Reply
  6. Steven Bowden

    14 years ago

    McCann?  Or does the Braves option screw that up?  I don’t really understand arb that well.

    Reply
  7. jbryant93

    14 years ago

    The interesting thing is the 2nd round of the 2013 draft will actually be a 2nd round instead of round 3.5.

    The way I understand it, for every pick added (at end of 1st round), the signing team loses their 1st or 2nd round pick so the net is no picks lost or gained.

    Reply
  8. jamesa-2

    14 years ago

    Unless Montero has an absolutely monster year, even bigger than last year, I can’t imagine the Dbacks offing him $12.5MM + on a 1-year deal, not with Kennedy and Hudson still needing to be paid. It’s sad really, because the Dbacks have something special in Montero. I rather hope a 3-4 year deal in the 10 per year range gets done instead. I rather doubt it though.

    Dbacks have a $10MM option they can exercise on Drew if they really want to keep him. Coming back from an injury season where his offensive numbers were already down before the injury makes this a very big make-or-break season for Drew.

    Reply
    • martinfv2

      14 years ago

      I think the Drew option is mutual, so if he has a strong year he’d probably turn down his side.

      Reply
      • start_wearing_purple

        14 years ago

        You’re correct, according to Cot’s it’s a mutual option.

        Reply
        • jamesa-2

          14 years ago

          Yup, it’s mutual. Missing fine print is what I get for not wearing my glasses while reading a spreadsheet.

          Reply
  9. Patrick OKennedy

    14 years ago

    Jose Valverde-  I could see the Tigers making a qualifying offer to him for one year.  It’s a bit above his value (because closers are over priced generally) but not by a lot, IMO. 

    Reply
  10. mitch l.

    14 years ago

    I agree with you, Tim, that Hamilton would almost be a lock as well.  Even if he had an injury or down year, 12.5-13M wouldn’t be a tremendous risk if you think he would be good to go come spring.  However the fear of a potential return of drinking and/or drug issues could make give Texas great pause. Also, if 11M is a reasonable gamble for Ejax for 1yr and pitches like last year I don’t see why that extra 1.5M would be out of the question.

    Reply
  11. aricollins

    14 years ago

    Most of them should be able to beat that on the free agent market, and are good bargains at $12.5MM on a one-year deal.

    Whether they fit in their respective teams’ budgets is another concern, of course.

    New York should make qualifying offers to Swisher and Kuroda if they have typical years. Those are small raises over their current deals, and would not necessitate a long-term commitment.

    Boston would be foolish to give Ortiz a qualifying offer if the new realignment system does indeed result in ~40 interleague games a year, as it’s often surmised it would have to. That greatly lowers the value of a DH.

    Reply
  12. aricollins

    14 years ago

    Josh Hamilton is a no-doubt upgrade, but I agree with everything else you say, including that a one-year deal with Swisher would probably be better.

    Reply
  13. -C

    14 years ago

    What about a guy like Michael Bourn??

    Could the Braves simply offer 1/$13MM and get a pick knowing that he’s going to have multiple offers that will be better in terms of years?? I don’t expect Bourn’s AAV to be $13MM for other teams’ offers, but there’s little chance he takes 1/$13MM over 5/$55MM or something of that nature…

    -C

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Please login to leave a reply.

Log in Register

    Top Stories

    Shelby Miller Likely Headed For Tommy John Surgery

    Red Sox To Place Roman Anthony On Injured List

    Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Diagnosed With Torn ACL

    Braves Claim Ha-Seong Kim From Rays

    Jason Adam Likely Headed For Season-Ending Quad Surgery

    Mariners Promote Harry Ford, Release Donovan Solano

    Phillies Sign Walker Buehler To Minors Contract

    Red Sox Extend Aroldis Chapman

    Administrative Leave For Emmanuel Clase, Luis Ortiz Extended “Until Further Notice”

    Cubs To Sign Carlos Santana

    Red Sox Release Walker Buehler

    Pirates Place Isiah Kiner-Falefa On Outright Waivers

    Randy Rodriguez Recommended To Undergo Tommy John Surgery

    Padres Place Xander Bogaerts On IL With Foot Fracture

    Cardinals To Promote Jimmy Crooks

    Red Sox To Promote Payton Tolle

    Corey Seager To Undergo Appendectomy, Not Ruled Out For Season

    Frankie Montas To Undergo UCL Surgery

    Guardians Release Carlos Santana

    Brewers Place Trevor Megill On IL Due To Flexor Strain, Sign Erick Fedde

    Recent

    Poll: Can The Astros Hold On To Win The AL West?

    Trevor Rogers’ Reemergence

    Shelby Miller Likely Headed For Tommy John Surgery

    Mariners Claim José Castillo, Designate Joe Jacques For Assignment

    Angels Claim Logan Davidson

    White Sox Claim Ben Cowles

    Nationals Claim Sauryn Lao, Designate Darren Baker For Assignment

    Red Sox To Place Roman Anthony On Injured List

    MLB Mailbag: Tucker, Bellinger, Grisham, Cardinals, Royals, Angels, Twins

    Mariners, Guillo Zuñiga Agree To Minor League Deal

    MLBTR Newsletter - Hot stove highlights in your inbox, five days a week

    Latest Rumors & News

    Latest Rumors & News

    • Every MLB Trade In July
    Trade Rumors App for iOS and Android App Store Google Play

    MLBTR Features

    MLBTR Features

    • Remove Ads, Support Our Writers
    • Front Office Originals
    • Front Office Fantasy Baseball
    • MLBTR Podcast
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2026-27 MLB Free Agent List
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Extension Tracker
    • Agency Database
    • MLBTR On Twitter
    • MLBTR On Facebook
    • Team Facebook Pages
    • How To Set Up Notifications For Breaking News
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors

    Rumors By Team

    • Angels Rumors
    • Astros Rumors
    • Athletics Rumors
    • Blue Jays Rumors
    • Braves Rumors
    • Brewers Rumors
    • Cardinals Rumors
    • Cubs Rumors
    • Diamondbacks Rumors
    • Dodgers Rumors
    • Giants Rumors
    • Guardians Rumors
    • Mariners Rumors
    • Marlins Rumors
    • Mets Rumors
    • Nationals Rumors
    • Orioles Rumors
    • Padres Rumors
    • Phillies Rumors
    • Pirates Rumors
    • Rangers Rumors
    • Rays Rumors
    • Red Sox Rumors
    • Reds Rumors
    • Rockies Rumors
    • Royals Rumors
    • Tigers Rumors
    • Twins Rumors
    • White Sox Rumors
    • Yankees Rumors

    Navigation

    • Sitemap
    • Archives
    • RSS/Twitter Feeds By Team

    MLBTR INFO

    • Advertise
    • About
    • Commenting Policy
    • Privacy Policy

    Connect

    • Contact Us
    • Twitter
    • Facebook
    • RSS Feed

    MLB Trade Rumors is not affiliated with Major League Baseball, MLB or MLB.com

    Do not Sell or Share My Personal Information

    hide arrows scroll to top

    Register

    Desktop Version | Switch To Mobile Version