The Dodgers, Pirates, Indians, Orioles and Diamondbacks are among the teams believed to have some interest in Padres third baseman Chase Headley, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. The Padres are open to trading Headley within the division, Heyman adds.
Headley, 28, earns $3.48MM this year and will remain under team control through 2014. The switch-hitter has a .271/.372/.421 batting line in 352 plate appearances so far in 2012. The Padres have scored fewer runs than any other MLB team this year, but top prospect Jedd Gyorko is hitting .315/.379/.532 in the upper minors and could be called upon if the Padres complete a deal involving Headley.
Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported this week that Headley was drawing serious interest. The 33-50 Padres figure to be sellers at the upcoming trade deadline when Headley, Carlos Quentin and others could be available.
I’d like to see the Bucs get him. He’d be a good complement now that Tabata is gone.
What does Tabata have to do with Headley? Headley isn’t a LF and should never play another inning out there. He’s an extremely good defensive 3B.
Pedro is our 3B Headley would have to play OF
I’m not sure why the Pirates would be interested then. He was terrible in LF.
Exactly. I think the Pirates could find better options for the outfield at a lower price, prospect wise. Don’t understand why they seem to be so infatuated with Headley.
Would a move of Alvarez to 1st make any sense? Headley is quite a good 3rd baseman and moving him to the outfield would seem a little strange.
I don’t think there is any chance they move Pedro right now as he finally seems to be settling in and getting in a groove. They don’t even want to move him around in the lineup, so I doubt they give him a position change mid-season. Pedro is also really improving defensively at 3rd, so he should be the long term answer there with or without Headley any way.
Do people really believe Pedro can be a long-term 3b? I look at his body type, think about when he passes his mid-20’s and the only way he sticks at the position is if they’ve got a masher at 1b and live with the D at 3b, not unlike Det.
Oh, absolutely. He’s actually an above average defender at 3rd base…he just struggles some times with the routine plays and throws. That can be fixed with experience.
He has an arm like Ken Caminiti though and seems to make the circus, highlight reel plays no problem. Diving and rifling a throw from his knees or charging in and bare handing a bunt, he’s amazing. When he has time and thinks too much about the throw, it can sail on him at times.
A little more time at the position and in the league, and I think he could be a gold glover.
With all do respect, please don’t compare Alvarez’ defense/arm to Caminiti’s. He was worth the price of admission.
Pedro has said that he doesnt want to play 1st
If Alvarez is a team guy, he would/should gladly move across the diamond. If Hanley Ramirez, a perennial all-star, will move to 3rd, you’d have to think asking Alvarez to move for a much better defender wouldn’t be asking too much.
No he wouldn’t. He’d play 1B with Jones or Starling Marte in RF
i didnt know that he played 1st. maybe Marte LF Jones RF and Headley 1B
Even then, I think the Pirates are better off with McGehee at 1st, as he’s been playing better than Headley lately anyway.
DD get Headley in orange and black and put a respectable 3rd baseman back at the corner before we unveil Brooks Robinson’s statue later in the year!
Headley to the Dodgers would probably take Zach Lee and more. As a Dodgers fan though, it might be worth it, as that lineup yesterday was downright Albuquerquean.
i would do that, his road splits are better, his horrendous home splits downgrade how good he can be, hell be solid batting 5th or 6th. and ill do zack lee and maybe a lesser piece, or if a bigger trade, headley plus quentin for z lee and gould, and a outfield prospect.
Maybe, but only because it would be a trade within the division. Headley is good bat and an average position player, and not much more.
im a dodgers fan, and from what ive seen he has a great glove. better than what we put out there.
Headley is a very good defensive 3B. He’s also a good baserunner. There isn’t a lot not to like about Headley.
Statistically around average, but I’m not a great believer in any of the defensive stats, so I won’t argue the point with much enthusiasm. He’d be an upgrade for sure, but I wouldn’t want to see the Dodgers give up somebody potentially important to get him. It would also mean dealing Uribe and I don’t see that happening very easily.
I’ve never even looked at his defensive stats and really don’t care what they are. I watch every Padres game and know what kind of defensive 3B he is. A very good one.
Not really arguing the point, and not especially with somebody who has punished himself by watching every Padres game!
LOL It’s been pretty rough.
You have my sympathies, and I admire your dedication.
Things are looking up despite a ridiculous amount of injuries. I’ve never seen so many players and prospects on the DL in any given year.
I think the Padres have the Dodgers beat in the DL department, if only just. Anyway I wouldn’t want to meet you in a dark alley on a bad day. You are obviously a lot tougher than I am. I’ve spent the last couple of weeks trying to pretend that it’s February.
It’s not just the players currently on the DL. Forsythe started there recovering from surgery. Quentin just recently returned from his surgery. Others have missed games, but didn’t hit the DL like Maybin and Venable. A bunch of our prospects have also been injured Erlin, Wieland, Kelly, Oramas, and more. We’ve been through 15 or so starting pitchers on the big league team. I don’t think any team comes close to the injuries the Padres have had this year.
Not trying to make a contest out of misery but we have one starting infielder and one outfielder on the opening day roster currently playing. I guess two infielders now that Ellis is back as of today.
Headley is arguably a top 5 third baseman (but definitely top 10) going forward and he is under control for two additional seasons after 2012 at what will likely be an affordable salary. His offensive numbers away from Petco are solid and I view his defense as above average. I would argue that he is absolutely worth Zach Lee +. Also, Uribe’s status has nothing to do with acquiring Headley. He would be taking his rightful seat on the bench and become the utility infielder he was meant to be.
Maybe, but I think they might prefer to eat most of Uribe’s contract and open up the roster slot since they’ve got three other utility infielders who can cover third.
Third in WAR at 3B for the past 3 seasons combined.
That would be a good addition for the Indians, but what about when Chisenhall comes back? I would much rather have a new left fielder
This would be pointless for us. It would send Lonnie back down and platoon Jack and Chase. I am sure we are “just checking in” as is Antonetti’s M.O.
Then you can have Quentin. What do the Indians have to offer?
For Carlos Quentin, salary relief and one of Chun-hsui Chen or Thomas Neal (TN). Quentin would be a two month rental.. no more, no less. For Chase Headley, Tony Wolters or Ronnie Rodriguez with the addition of TN or Chen would be on the table in a two for one. Anything more than that would be a severe overpay for a .270 switch hitting 3B who’s shown limited power anyplace he’s played in MLB and that includes away from Petco..
Headley should be drawing interest from those teams and probably more. But which team is going to be willing to give up what the Padres are looking for in return. The Padres are not going to give him away even though they have Gyorko knocking on the door. It is going to take at minimum a top five prospect from any of those teams, possibly higher.
This trade deadline is going to be very important to Byrnes, as his job may depend on it. He has some pretty big chips to play with in Headley, Quentin and Street along with Volquez and Richard, the way he has been pitching as of late. I could see a packaging of two of those players to get an even higher return.
As a Padre fan, I truly hope the new owners give Byrnes a chance to finish what he, and Hoyer, started. Byrnes seems to have an eye for talent and is not afraid to pull off the big deal, just what a mid market team needs at GM.
Two and half years of Headley is worth at least five top prospects? That’s elite player territory.
He said a teams top 5 prospect not 5 top prospects.
Right, I get it.
“a top five prospect” now equals “five top prospects”
Unless there was an edit, I think you misread.
So I have already been told!
A top five prospect, not five top prospects.
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Headly is worth more then the number 5 prospect from some teams, heck the guy was the top Padre prospect for a few years before making it to MLB. I do not like the Dodgers prospects at all; however, the Dbacks do have some good players to deal, and the Indians have a highly rated SS prospect.
Headley and Quentin for Z. Lee, Gould and a outfield prospect?
Headley’s a perfect fit for the Orioles, but what can they offer?
With Bundy and Machado obviously off limits, I think one of Arrieta/Matusz/Tillman would be involved.
NOO. They shouldn’t give up pitchers on a position player when they clearly need those pitchers. Schoop or hoes maybe but no pitcher.
Yeah, I don’t see the Orioles parting with a pitcher for Headley, at least not one close to the major leagues. Maybe someone like Parker Bridwell.
Parker Bridwell was an interesting name before the season started. Now… not so much.
When he was signed, we knew he was raw. He’s still throwing in the high 90s. The fact that he’s struggling now isn’t very surprising and was expected. He’s learning how to pitch. If he can figure it out, well there aren’t many starters who have his velocity but it’ll take time.
If we trade Arrietta or Matusz plus Schoop, then I want Volquez as well.
The Dodgers??? Nah
Indians??? Nah
Pirates and D’Backs? Nah. Plus, I like Alvarez more over Headley.
O’s would give Headley the best fit, but I don’t know what we would give to the Padres.
The Orioles won’t trade a SP on their current 25 man roster. They’re trying to win this year, and they’re paper thin at SP. I would say Tillman was a possibility if I hadn’t seen his start yesterday. It looks like he’s improved significantly and there’s no way the Orioles move him until they figure out who he is now that he’s got a better windup and an extra 6 mph.
Tommy Hunter might be a possibility.
well “paper thin” isn’t quite accurate. they have plenty of ML-ready starters – they’re just all fringe #4-#5 starters who haven’t reached their potential. for 2 rotation spots (behind Chen, Hammel, and Britton), they have Arrieta, Tillman, Matusz, Hunter, and Steve Johnson.
so I would argue that it makes sense to trade one of those aforementioned 5 pitchers, if the Padres value one of them highly, because they’re all pretty similar in current stats and future potential (Arrieta has by far the best stuff, so if you want to exclude him, that’s still 4 pitchers for 1 rotation spot). it’s not an issue of numbers – it’s just an issue of quality, which doesn’t preclude trading away one of those questionable quality pitchers.
I think on top of that, Delmonico or Schoop might make sense to trade, considering we have Hardy locked up long-term, Machado will be up soon, and along with Headley, that’s the left side of our infield, with Andino as a supersub, whichever one of those two (Delmonico / Schoop) we keep, and recent draftees Esposito and Marin.
That’s just it, Bundy and Machado are off limits understandably, but what else do the O’s have to offer? Schoop isn’t going to be enough and although I would like to see what Balsley could do with Matusz, I don’t see that happening either.
Schoop is a top 100 prospect and top 3-4 prospect in the Orioles system, we also would likely add an Arrieta/Matusz I’d imagine and maybe Bridwell. That’s easily enough. Also have heard they want a leadoff man, Xavier Avery is only 21 and has very nice potential to be a possible future leadoff guy. We have guys that SD would like i’m sure.
I personally would take Schoop and Matusz.
You can have Matusz, I’m done with him
Matusz pitched at USD.
Mark Reynolds to take his place and Nick “The Glass Man” johnson to stay on the DL for the Padres? As a bonus.. San Diego can even pay them both as a special favor??
Kidding of course.. I really wish Boston would have traded in the division and sent Youk to the O’s…
I wouldn’t give Up bundy or Muchado, but maybe schoop or hoes
Even if they weren’t untouchable one of Bundy or Machado would be way to much to get Headley.
Matusz and Schoop if they think they can extend him.
Maybe I’m missing something but just by looking at Headley’s slash line, it’s not overly impressive. Yes it’d be an upgrade over Juan but his OPS is under 800. I’m not able to do research because I’m on my phone but is his road splits just so much different than his home splits to explain his overall production?
The reason I say this is because the packages that are being talked about seem to be the quality for legit middle of the order bats, not a little above average
Uribe is way below average, Headley given a chance to play somewhere that is not Petco would thrive. Petco has killed his power numbers, I swear he doesnt even try to muscle up on the ball at Petco because he knows the result, he goes on the road and it’s like a different dude. With that said, Is Zach Lee better then his numbers? because they are not good at all.
You haven’t heard of Zach Lee?
I’m saying his stats are terrible
Simply put, yes. He’s 20 years old and is in AA. His AA numbers are bad because he has made two starts. In his first start, his numbers were 6 IP 5 hits, 1 run allowed, 7Ks, 3BB, only 81 pitches. In his 2nd start, he pitched only 3 innings, gave up 7 hits, but 3 went for extra bases, walked none and struck out 3. Regarding his A ball numbers, it must be taken into account he was in an offensive minded league, and because he was generally held to 4-6 innings a start, a few bad starts skew his numbers.
Headley is one of the best 3B in baseball. His numbers are destroyed by playing in the most pitcher friendly environment in baseball. He’s a young, controllable, very good all around player. His value is high. He’s a career .299/.366/.445 hitter away from Petco.
That same thing was wrong with Kouzmanoff too right? That bing said, I still hope he comes to Camden Yards…
There’s a reason they kept Headley instead of Kouzmanoff…
I just got home and was able to do some research, and after looking at the numbers, I agree with your viewpoint. His home/ road numbers are amazingly different.
Also, though it’s a relatively small sample size (127 PA) his numbers at Dodger Stadium look pretty great: .327/.409/.509
Headley hit over 330 on the road in 2011; furthermore, led all third baseman in doubles prior to his injury in 2011.
I say we should keep him at least til next season. if not, i still say a three way trade- Phils get Headley and prospects, Team X gets Hamels, and the Padres get prospects from both teams.
prospects of interest that should be involved in a trade for Headley:
Bucs- Josh Bell or Luis Heredia or Alen Hanson
Dodgers- Zach Lee
Indians- Lindor(unlikely), Dillon Howard, Ronny Rodriguez
Orioles- none
Diamondbacks- Skaggs or Bradley(unlikely) or Chris Owings
im not sure if they pirates would be ready to give up any of those players, but they do have 3 mlb ready LHP at AAA i think they would give up 1 or 2 of them and a lower spec.
More like Robbie Grossman, Justin Wilson, Rudy Owens, and Gregory Polanco from the Bucs.
No way are they trading Hanson after this breakout year. He is the ONLY SS they have in that system w/ a stick. Heredia’s upside is higher than Taillon. Bell? Maybe.
like i wrote ” prospects of interest that should be involved ” doesn’t mean the pirates would in turn trade them. i was just naming players that possibly could be had as compared to the untouchables in cole and taillon. also if the pirates want talent they’re gonna have to give up talent, simple as that. the guys you mentioned aren’t the type of players the padres are looking for, because as byrnes stated its going to take a lot to pry headley from the pads.
you are gonna have to give us pirates fans a break. we arent use to this yet.
plus the pirates are better off getting someone like Wilson Betemit who wouldn’t cost as much, also because you guys still have alvarez and the pirates are still developing and need the talent in their system.
None? haha, ok. Avery/Schoop/Hoes/Bridwell would all be options, Matusz/Arrieta as well on the pitching front.
I’d take Bridwell off of that. He has beyond disappointed this year both physically and statistically and will likely just be that “player with potential” after this season at best.
Regardless his value is at an all-time low, he probably won’t make any top 20 O’s lists this coming year.
Nope, the padres have no use for a 2nd baseman nor a 3rd basemen or fourth outfielders(they maybe talented but you have to remember if they don’t have above-average hitting tools petco would make them seem like 4th outfielders), and double no on bridwell. Matusz and Arrieta maybe, but it wouldn’t be smart to trade controllable pitching seeing as how that’s the orioles weakness every year. I didn’t mean as disrespect but the orioles don’t have the guys to get headley outside of bundy and machado. You guys are in the same situation as the bucs, a young team looking to upgrade but you guys need your system as well.
The thing is that Matusz is a San Diego native who is flyball pitcher. That means he’s a perfect fit for your stadium but not so much for Camden Yards. Honestly, he’s a guy who should be traded.
Aside from that, the fact that you have a good 3B prospect doesn’t mean you wouldn’t want another one. For example, remember the Latos trade where you got Alonso (amongst other pieces) despite already having Rizzo? If Gyorko gets hurt or isn’t effective, you can always bring up Schoop if you got him. If Gyorko does well, you can trade Schoop for another prospect. Schoop would be wasted in your stadium though. Schoop could also play 2B/SS in the majors for a few years.
You can’t judge Schoop on his stats because he’s a level above where he should be (he’s young for HiA and he’s one of the youngest guys in AA).
Aside from that Avery is someone who would fit in well with your stadium. He has excellent speed and does indeed have a good OBP. The problem is that he’s still raw and needs to be in the minors. He didn’t play much baseball before being drafted and it shows. Obviously, he’d be a fourth piece, but he’d have value.
Also John Ruettiger is another outfielder with good hit tools and no power. He’d be the fifth piece in a deal.
Matusz, Schoop, Avery and Ruty might be enough and at the very least it’s in the ballpark.
we have about 2-3 other guys besides gyorko that can cover 2nd and 3rd (2b spangenberg, 3b darnell, 3b/2b forsythe, 3b Rincon, 2b Galvez) all of whom are hitting well in the minors or are major league ready. The Padres have one the best systems in baseball, we don’t lack much depth in anyone position. You have to remember they’re a lot of factors on the Padres side -headley is controllable, he’s one of the top 3rd basmen especially defensively, they don’t have to trade headley, and ultimately the timing is perfect for the Padres as the market for 3b is very thin.
I don’t know much about your system. All I know if that the more prospects the better. You never have too many prospects.
It’s true you don’t have to trade Headley but he’s 28 and has two and a half years of control left. Every year you wait after this means he’s one year more past his prime and becomes more expensive.
You can wait until next year but his value will just decrease the longer you wait. Will the Padres be able to compete next year (I have no idea)?
By all means, take the best deal you can get, but you really need to take the best deal you can get.
i think the height of his value will come this off-season, but we’ll see what happens could be an interesting deadline.
I would be surprised if the Indians traded Dillon Howard or Ronny Rodriguez for anyone. I know this might knock them out of the Headley/Quentin sweepstakes, but both of those guys are important to the team’s future. We are more likely to offer Corey Kluber, Cody Allen, Tim Federoff or perhaps TJ McFarland….AAA or AA guys. (Oh, the Indians are DEFINITELY not trading Lindor.)
yeah i agree-thats why i believe we should just keep headley, because the teams that could use him really can’t offer much for him this season, maybe in the off-season or next season (remember chipper jones is retiring after this season perfect fit imo). as for quentin the pads should push for an extension, but if we can’t get an extension done then trade him which might force us to get and settle for as much as possible.
Thought my comment was removed….was wrong….sorry.
I would like a count as to how many “interest in Chase Headley” or trade related threads their are about him in the past 3 seasons.
There is a reason teams are constantly interested in Headley. He’s a good ball player. There is also a reason why he hasn’t been traded. Teams obviously aren’t offering what Headley is worth.
Couldn’t it also be viewed as: Why would the Padres be constantly looking to make this guy available if he is this amazing?
Constantly available? Every player is constantly available for the right price. You are acting the Padres are constantly shopping him and that isn’t the case. Teams are constantly calling about him because he’s a quality player. Big difference.
I’d love to see what Headley could do in anything resembling a hitters park or on a contending team.
Perhaps they should see if Gyorko can hit in Petco first so they don’t get another Rizzo situation
Gyorko is better suited for Petco. He’s right handed and he makes more contact. They also have James Darnell and Logan Forsythe who can play 3B.
Its a much bigger picture then that. Why trade away a bonified MLB hitter in Headley and replace him with another hitter in Gyroko, when the Padres have so few MLB hitters to begin with? By doing this, you are going sideways. In my view, it is Spangenburg that we have to wait and see if he can hit in MLB. This way we then have two decent hitters before letting a good hitter [Headley] go. I would like to see the Padres sign Headley to a 5 year, market level contract and then trade him in 2-3 years if Spangenburg establishes himself. Meanwhile, Gyroko plays second base. I do not think Darnell or Forsythe will hit well enough to replace Headley’s production. The reason I say this is important is because the Padres will not be able to get a decent hitter to come to SD via free agency; therefore, we have to trade or develop them. The Padres have very few MLB quality hitters right now in their lineup and to let one walk out the door for a prospect is crazy, until a few others [not just Gyroko] have proven themselves. Just because a player is a top prospect does not mean that they will be a good MLB player as good as Headley.
ummm dbacks could use him and we have plenty of prospects outside of skaggs, bauer, or bradley. Dbacks could use Headley roberts isnt cutting it although hes had a few cluth hits and although bloomquist could play third he still has to split time with drew and bloomquist could back up every position besisdes catcher
There’s not a whole lot to like for a Headley trade with the DBacks if you take Skaggs, Bauer, and Bradley out of the discussion.
Shouldn’t the Padres keep at least one or two solid pieces if they ever plan on being relevant in the next 5 years? Anyone more talented than a bag of balls gets shipped to another team. It’s not like Headley is making a ton of money. His production is worth his salary especially considering how anemic the Pad’s offense has been. Come on Padres, have a shred of dignity and keep a true MLB caliber player rather than trading for potential and then promoting someone who needs more time in Double or Triple A.
Their offense is looking better lately and their best prospect is a 3B. He’s close, but they wouldn’t have to rush him if Headley is traded. They could move Forsythe to 3B and play Amarista at 2B. Darnell could also play 3B when he’s healthy.
I like the Dbacks as a trade partner for the Padres. I would try and pick up OF Eaton. Leadoff type who can flat out hit (.376), walk, steal bases, plays good defense, young and is actually outhitting Gyorko (.350) in AAA. He’s probably ready to come up right away.
He’s putting up some great numbers, but he doesn’t really profile as a corner outfielder.
I’d rather the Pirates give B prospects and take on Quentins $ then give up any of: Cole, Taillon, Bell, Heredia, Marte, Grossman, or Hanson.
Like Tony Sanchez, Jarek Cunningham, Zack Von Rosenberg, Nick Kingman I’d be fine with. Heck, even Tabata at this point.
I understand you gotta give to get, but I’d hate to see them jeopardize what they’ve stockpiled for 2013 and beyond.
Hopes are for Quentin from SD and Clint Robinson from KC
I’m not sure you can get Quentin if you aren’t willing to trade any of those 7.
The Padres do not need to trade Quentin because of money.
Wow, I used the words Headley, Diamondbacks, Dodgers and stupid in a sentence and got censored.
Headly In Camden Yards….Nuff said get it done. We will give you Reynolds, Tommy Hunter and Hoes. BAM.
That’s a joke right?
now this guy is worth gould and some prospects not Carlos Lee get it done Ned
My first choice is Willingham from Minny. I would be willing to part with locke,tabata and grossman/hague ( minny choice) to make that happen. Gives Minny a Major league Of and Pitcher and a solid Cf/1st prospect. Marte cuth Willingham your starting OF for the next 3 years Willingham leaves Josh Bell should be ready.
We need a long term RF either by trade or by FA next season
I like the jones/Mgee 1stbase combo and could see them us it again next year.
Chase loses value if he is not at 3rd so i dont like him as a match for the pirates.
Why should the Padres trade Headley for anything less than a top 40 prospect? I would look forward to having Headley and Gyorko in the same lineup with Forsythe and Amarista as our top infield utility players. Venable, Headley, Gyorko, Quentin, Grandal, Alonso, Maybin, Cabrera, Pitcher would be an exciting 2013 lineup. Focus on resigning Quentin and getting our pitching Healthy.
Anyone who has watched Alvarez this year on a daily basis knows that he has developed into a fantastic defensive third baseman. His arm is a cannon, he rarely misplays a hop, and he snags everything down the line. The way he is progressing, he will be a .275/40/100 third baseman by seasons end, how many of those are around these days? Cabrera, maybe Longoria if he is ever healthy.
Chase Headley sure sounds like a guy that is worth much more to the Padres than he would be anywhere else. I think Padres fans are setting themselves up for disappointment if Headley is traded, as they won’t be getting a top 5 prospect in return. Probably better to hang onto him in San Diego. Quentin too, although Clayton Richard intrigues me as a 3-4 starter type.
Padres fans seem to think Headley is a great player, but when I look at his stats I see a good player – not great. I’m sure alot of that has to do with the sentimental attachment they have to Headley, a Padres homegrown who came up in their system. Why trade him? Hang onto him and avoid the almost too predictable outcry over not getting enough in a trade. I like the Padres, I want to see them rebuild and I think Headley is a piece they could deal, but your fan base knows whats best for your team, not me.