The Marlins and Orioles are discussing trade scenarios, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports (on Twitter). Miami is "knee deep" in trade talks and could complete a blockbuster in the next 24 hours, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio reports (on Twitter).
The Marlins, who sent Anibal Sanchez and Omar Infante to Detroit yesterday, have also had teams inquire on Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Lee, Josh Johnson,Ricky Nolasco and Randy Choate. The Orioles are known to be seeking pitching and corner infield help. It wouldn't be surprising to see Baltimore pursue Ramirez or Johnson, since either player would have an impact in 2012 and on next year's team.
At this time in the season anyone could say “team A and team B are talking trades” totally vague statement by Cafardo.
PLEASE tell me that this is for real! Hanley and Johnson to Bmore! Please be real.
Would a team be willing to pay the price for Josh Johnson if it meant taking on Hanley as well and giving up the necessary return for both??? Because it really seems like the Fish want to be done with Han ram in the worst way… And too many teams covet JJ for good reason
I can see the O’s making a deal to get Nolasco, and one of Lee or Ramirez. hope this trade develops more and some details get leaked to us.
I don’t see a single scenario where the O’s end up with Lee.
1 Blockbuster a day everyday is all we ask 😉
Would Hanley return Machado? Would Johnson return Bundy?
No, but both should get them Machado. Can’t see them trading Bundy for anyone.
No and no
no
Given the drop in production, massive salary for the next two+ years, and general clownish behavior, I’d say Hanley has negative trade value. And Josh Johnson, as good as he has been in the past, is having a down year, coming off an injury, and is owed $13MM next year. So, I’d say there is roughly a zero percent chance the O’s trade Machado, the No.3 prospect in all of baseball, for those two guys.
no and no.
This must involve Hanley Ramirez.
Where are all the deals today? Yesterday is ruining my afternoon!
yes need to see some deals soon, yesterday was a little appetizer. We need some main course deals
Hanley would solidify 3rd base.. Not sure I want to see Josh in Orange. He’s inconsistent and is not doing well this year so far.
Solidify 3rd??? He is just as inconsistent as JJ is (offensive numbers are down and defense is poor)…
He’s having a better year than Betemit, and he has had a better overall career.. he’s a career .300 hitter, and a slightly better fielding percentage than Wilson. he’s also faster. Wilson has seen most of his time at 3rd over anyone else since Reynolds got sent to 1st.
Having a better year than Betemit does not deam Hanley as a “solid” 3B. Hanley’s offensive and defensive numbers have slipped tremendously the last 2 years…. It doesnt matter now, with Hanley going to the dodgers, and i understand that Betemit is not ideal neither, but you (the O’s) would be better off looking elsewhere.
You are talking about Josh Johnson and not Hardy right? Hardy is as solid as they come when it comes to defense….
you are correct – Josh Johnson (injury history equates to inconsistent numbers).
A change of scenery can do wonders for a player.
Scott Boras, is that you?
and coming back from injury . . .
Josh johnson and/or hanley ramirez to the orioles would be amazing if the deal doesn’t include manny machado and dylan bundy. I’m not sure if it’d be possible to get both of them but either JJ or hanley would be an upgrade for the birds. Baltimore would have to give up Arrieta/matusz, xavier avery and jonathon schoop.
They might have a shot at JJ if the Orioles take all of the Hanley contract.
Would Matusz and Schoop be enough for Hanley?
That’s where I’d start but I can’t see this happening without Miami throwing up cash
-0- chance of that. Loria isn’t going to add cash to any deal. he won’t even pay his own people he has. Why trades them all off in the 1st place.
I wouldn’t mind throwing in xavier avery too..LJ hoes isn’t too far from being ready so we would still have someone in the farm league who could come up and play left
Hanley, JJ, and Bell for Gregg, Reynolds (these two just to offset money) Matusz, Schoop, Hoes, and Avery
I’d really like to hold on to one of Avery or Hoes … I’d throw in another young arm like Parker Bridwell.
Are you living in fantasy land? the Marlins are trading their 2 stars in a single trade for those below average players.
Hanley is an underpreforming player with an attitude problem. He has not looked like a star in 2 years and his D has gotten worse. On top of all of that he is expensive. JJ has not looked steller this year and has a long injury history. And I suggested the O’s take on ALL of Bells contract which has ben a disaster. Schoop and Hoes are above average prospects. Matusz was a blue chip prospect that needs a change. Avery has shown he is ML acceptable.
Fine. Then you obviously don’t want them on the Orioles since they’re such poor players.
No with Reynolds at third and a revolving door of pitchers I would love to have them. I am just pointing out the flaws in why getting a HUGE return is less likely.
If Hanley is a underporming player with attitude problems, and JJ has a long injury history, plus Bell is a disaster. then why do you want them on the Orioles?! Oh the potential! Oh because you know there’s a big chance that they turn it around. on the other hand those Orioles players have never had any big success in the majors.
What about this trade? The Yankees should trade Eduardo Nunez, David Phelps and Joba for Manny Machado. he’s clearly a bust as he’s batting .252 in double A, after hitting .257 last season in the minors. (sarcasm) see your logic.
That is not my logic at all. I am just pointing out that Hanley does not have the same value as he once did and to expect a package of blue chip prospects at this point is not going to happen. My thought process was that the O’s eat money in contracts the Marlins clearly do not want to compensate for a little lower return in talent. And there is a reason those “other” players have not had big success in the majors being that they are prospectswho have not gotten to the majors. Matusz who I said needed a change of scenery is the only one with ML experence and he was the number 4 prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago.
Can you blame him? Every Oriole fan would love to get rid of their bust prospects and get proven stars in return. Orioles management is too inept to get it done tho. The Marlins will get ripped off, but by a much smarter FO like Rangers or maybe the Braves.
No way Bundy is traded. I know the Orioles said Machado was untouchable but I could see him going to Florida if Hanley and JJ were both involved. How about Hanley, JJ, and Nolasco for Machado, Matusz, Xavier Avery, Bridwell, and a low level prospect.
Wouldn’t be surprised is Mark Reynolds is involved in this somehow to alleviate the two big contracts from Miami
Please let this be ONLY Hanley.
I really don’t see them trading with the Orioles. Orioles fans will want them in exchange for their pitching prospects that the organization has ruined like Matusz and Arrieta and Tillman but no team is gonna want those guys.
Here we go… People want top talents to head to their teams but don’t want to give anything of value.