The Angels and Rangers are among the teams monitoring Zack Greinke, but don't expect the Yankees to become involved. Here's the latest on the Brewers right-hander as the trade and extension rumors continue…
- The White Sox have Greinke on their radar, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Chicago is also looking to add a veteran reliever.
- The Brewers announced that Greinke won't make his scheduled start Wednesday (via Mike Vassallo of the Brewers on Twitter). Greinke recently started three consecutive games because of an ejection and the timing of the All-Star Break. However, he has allowed 14 earned runs in 14 innings this month, so the Brewers decided it's time to give their ace some rest. GM Doug Melvin told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Greinke is physically fine. The Brewers are simply "recharging his batteries," Melvin said (Twitter link).
Well that’s not good for the Brewers that he needs to be “recharged” at this moment in time.
Great news for the Phillies if they can’t get a deal done with Hamels. If he wasn’t the most desirable pitcher at the deadline, he will be now.
He just made 3 starts in a weeks time. Granted one start was 4 pitches and the other was 3 or 4 innings. However, starters have a very extensive start day rituals. I really think this is simply a rest for him.
it’s irrelevant, grienke is better regardless.
Definetly not a good move by the brewers If you are trying to trade him. His trade value was at the highest it could have got. Just give him some rest without saying he needs it.
If they just give him rest without saying he needs it, everyone will be worried about potential injuries when he skips a start, further hurting his trade value.
No way that Melvin has decided to just “recharge his batteries” during the most important stretch of the season. A trade HAS to be imminent…
Maybe he wants to line up both Gallardo and Greinke against the Reds? I
don’t see a trade happening until this series with the Cardinals has
concluded. If they take at least two of three from the Red Birds, I
don’t see a trade happening until after the Reds series, which I would
guess Greinke makes a start in. The only way he gets moved before then
is if the offer is ridiculously good…
I agree with your last point in that it would take an amazing deal to move him this early. And I am hoping that is exactly what is in the works. I’d rather move him for solid prospects than commit 100 million over 5 years
I’m with you on that sentiment. I like Zack a lot, but they aren’t in the market to be paying a pitcher 20+ mil a year. The trick is getting that first GM to make an offer that will suggest the new CBA is not going to impede the seller’s ability to get a great return in deadline deals. The question is, which GM is comfortable enough to make that move?
Another thing I’m concerned with, as far as getting good return value, is that it’s not like it’s only Greinke and/or Hamels on the block. They are the two best, clearly, but if I was a GM, I’d feel more comfortable paying less to acquire a Dempster or Garza. Especially with the aformentioned new CBA deal.
Yeah – I guess at this point I’m fine with anything the Brewers do, so long as it isn’t a trade that they didn’t clearly “win” in the present. I’d be fine with Greinke staying in town, and Milwaukee collecting the two picks for him.
Hard to believe that Melvin has simply decided to “recharge” his ace’s “batteries” right in the middle of the most important stretch of the season.
A trade HAS to be imminent. If not, this makes no sense.
I agree maybe a 3 team deal with multiple players involved to get everything we want and it will take a couple days to get all details worked out.
Grienke and Scooter Gennett (Maybe even Weeks since something is
obviously wrong with him. And keep Scooter around) to Texas for Profar
AND OTHERS (even like Olt) and 1 or 2 low prospects. Or to the Orioles
for Muchado and 1 almost ready pitcher. Then trade Aramis to the Dodgers
for TALENT at SS or RF. Move Aoki to full time Center and Olt at 3rd
everyday. Hart at 1st forever. And then we win the Wildcard and for
years and years. Someone have Mark, Doug and Ron contact me.
I hope your joking about those trade proposals
They should work out a Grienke/Gennett/Wily Peralta/Jed Bradley – Profar/Olt deal since they have Andrus
So, give up an ace, and three of their best prospects for the Rangers top two prospects? Now it seems like an overpay. Rangers fans that want to add to their ailing rotation seem to want to do so without giving up anything of value… so my guess is they still say no to this.
From a Brewers perspective, it doesn’t make sense to deal guys on the farm when you’re trying to re-strengthen your organization as a whole.
But Olt and Profar would be the starting left side for YEARS. Profar is going to be elite, and anything to get a shortstop. Even if the keep him down for 2 years till Alex Gonzalez’ contract is up
Their goal should be to get a SS without giving up anything more than Greinke. I’m pretty sure Gonzalez’s deal was one year with a Team Option on a second, so he’s probably done anyway.
Just dreaming…Lineup for years… C – Lucroy 1st – Hart/Other(Gamel) 2nd – Weeks SS – Profar 3rd – Olt LF – Braun CF – Aoki RF – Other/Hart (if Gamel at 1) Rotation- Gallardo, Marcum, Thornburg….
If the rangers are willing to deal Profar AND Olt (which thye’re not) it’ll be for Hamels, not grienke. Amaro will drive him to the airport himself.
Good point
There is absolutely no chance the Rangers trade Profar for anyone not named Kershaw or Felix Hernandez. Greinke? Seriously? Not going to happen.
lol, if only.
Dodgers have no talent at shortstop and I’m pretty sure their right fielder isn’t going anywhere. There’s also no talent at those positions in the minors.
Yeah I wasn’t sure if they had any talent down there, just some hope. Who are some Dodger OF prospects? Not just RF but OF..?
Scott Van Slyke, Alex Castellanos, Jerry Sands… those are the main 3 that most people know about who have had some time in the bigs.
So maybe 1 of them as a key piece in an Aramis deal. And Aramis HATES playing in milwaukee. He just flat out doesn’t care and he loves getting the pay check. If he went somewhere where he wanted to play, like LA, he’d hit 30+ HR’s a season for the next 2 years for them and everyone would say how dumb the brewers are. But it’d be smart
Brewers are not getting Profar or Machado for Greinke.
Just because the Giants were desperate and dealt Wheeler for Beltran doesn’t mean everyone else is going to overpay. Besides both Profar and Machado are better prospects than Wheeler and the Rangers don’t need a 2nd baseman.
You are seriously undervaluing Greinke.
Profar or Olt would have to be apart of any deal that send Greinke to Texas.
No it wouldn’t, the Rangers shouldn’t have to overpay by that much to get him.
Actually, they should. Anything less than one of those guys is worth less to Milwaukee than having essentially three great chances to land bonafide talent, or the next Profar or Olt in next year’s draft. You’re giving up a Cy Young Award winner for a guy who hasn’t had an at bat over the Double A level, and you’re supposed to feel like you’re ripping the other team off? Prospect worship is at an all-time high!
Texas has one of the deepest farm systems in baseball and could easily get a deal done without them two.
I don’t think Milwaukee is looking for bulk though. My guess is they’re looking for guys that could be ready to contribute, or more likely, slot into to the big league club at some point next year. They have specific needs at shortstop, and either of the corner infield spots. Guys like Perez and Ramirez aren’t what they’re looking for.
If either one has to be involved then the Rangers target Hamels instead and give Olt for him.
… and, if I were the Brewers I’d have no problem with that. They set the asking price as sellers. If Greinke isn’t worth one of your top two guys, then he doesn’t need to be dealt.
Perez could help them now and next year, it’s pitching and shortstop that the need now and next year. Possibly someone to play first so they can move Hart back to the outfield. I’m not a Rangers fan at all but Profar is about as untouchable as Trout was last year. Olt I think there is an outside chance of being part of a trade for Greinke just not strait up. As you said prospect worship is at a all-time high.
Last time I checked, Perez was getting shelled at Triple A. They have the guys to slot into the rotation in the event that Greinke is traded right now. Thornburg, Gallardo, Fiers, Peralta, and either Estrada or Wolf can finish out the year. I’ll agree that Profar is not going to be moved because he’s either number one, or a top five on most lists… but there is no reason anyone in the Rangers organization should bat an eye at dealing Olt if it means a greater chance of winning the whole enchilada. He’s raking this year, which has made the idea of being able to deal him straight up for an ace (even if it turns out being a rental) even palatable, where it certainly wasn’t four months ago.
Then you haven’t checked in a while, fixed his mechanics and dominated two games in AAA then got called up and pitched very well in Arlington.
… and he’s a starting pitcher, which even if you believed he’s got it all figured out now, he’s not what Milwaukee should/would be looking for in trade for Greinke.
Then Greinke isn’t going to Texas.
Which, I believe, is fine by most Brewers fans. You have to overpay if you’re looking to add to your chances of winning it all. If you don’t want to, you don’t get to make those additions.
Exactly right.
And that’s where the new CBA comes in.
Teams were much more willing to overpay when they knew they would at least get draft pick compensation if their attempt to win it all didn’t pan out. Now, if you don’t win it all and you fail to extend/resign the guy you gave up your best prospect for… Well, that wouldn’t be so great, would it?
That’s part of the risk you have to take. I’d say more-so if you’ve been to the World Series in consecutive years, but failed to seal the deal. As much as everyone is all over Profar’s jock, he is not a sure thing. Does he look like he could be great? Of course he does. There have been many before him that showed a similar pedigree, but failed to achieve. Past top prospect lists are littered with them.
It’s either trade him for what you can get or let him walk after the season. Or force his hand to sign that 5 year 100 mil contract…. which won’t happen. So they’ve got to trade him…
Or keep him, collect two high picks, and draft guys you really like.
It’s a tough situation. If it was me, i would want AAA prospects rather then pure rookies… but with the talent that’s being drafted these days it could be better to get the picks too….
I’d probably argue that these days the majority of prospects’ highest value comes shortly after they’re drafted. There’s also the ability to draft college players that look like they can be fast risers, which is what Braun turned out to be.
Profar is 19 and one of the best players in AA already. He’s considered a top 2-3 prospect.
He isn’t going anywhere.
I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t give up Profar for Grienke since they have Andrus. Because Andrus is a star and will be a star for a long time
Of course, there’s always the possibility of moving stars around.
I don’t follow the Rangers, but I follow Profar, so I’ve heard talk from Rangers fans about moving Kinsler to the outfield and Andrus to second when Profar is ready.
Who knows if that’s an actual possibility, especially since Kinsler hasn’t played a single professional inning in the outfield. But it’s worth mentioning at least…
Profar will eventually take over at SS since he will be the better defense SS , Andrus will move to 2nd then Kinsler will move to the outfield or get traded.
And once Grienke would have a convo or two with Nolan Ryan, he’d feel right at home and sign a long term contract for “cheap” or cheaper than people would expect. I could see that happening.
Then you’re not familiar with the quality of the Rangers system. It’s not a top 5 system just because of Profar, they have more impact prospects than any other contending team. If they wanted Greinke and offered Perez, Ramirez, Hanser Alberto, and Villenueva it would be an overpay by Texas, would you turn it down because Profar and Olt aren’t involved
Yes…because Milwaukee needs a SS & 3B. They have enough pichers in the farm system that will evolve next year and 20124. Positional players, mainly 2 of the top 10 prospects in your system will be the asking price.
I named a SS and a 3b in that trade and 3 top 15.
Who plays what. Not familiar with any of the 4
Then you wouldn’t have a job as a GM for long. Those prospects can be flipped for postition players if needed, but in this deal the brewers need impact (which they do get from both a trade or draft) as well as projectability (which the draft does not offer in the slightest). That’s why you take a deal with pitchers that are knocking on the door to the bigs, you can trade them later if thats what you need.
You’re crazy man (Will Ferrell after being tranqued voice)
Olt would surely have to be apart of it then. Unless they are planning on moving him to the OF when Hamilton signs elsewhere. Profar would then have to be moved to 3B. The kid is 19, sell high while you can Texas. Andrus isn’t going anywhere.
It really feels like Brewers fans are just desperate to get back what they gave up for him a year and a half ago when they’re asking for Profar. Little bit amusing. Texas wouldn’t budge on Profar when he had 2 years of control left but all of a sudden they should now that Profar is much better for just a handful of starts?
Zombie, it may be amusing. But under the new WC format it’s a reality. More buyers than sellers in 2012. If the Rangers want to get over their hump (win a WS), they’ll need a #1 guy in that rotation like Zack Greinke.
Really, the only way Greinke goes to the Rangers is if Olt isn’t involved. Once he becomes a necessity then the Rangers send him in a package to Philly for Hamels.
That trade got us the NLDS last year…. Getting Grienke for Escobar/Cain/Ardozzi was a great trade for both sides.
Just like if Texas got Grienke, they’d win the WS and be very, very happy. Yeah they’d give up alot, but you have to have the “win now” mentality. Especially when you’re a WS favorite.
That’s the beauty of the Rangers system though, it doesn’t have to be win now. They have a very wide open window for the next several years. The Rangers could blow anyone away for anything. If the Rangers REALLY wanted him they could go get Kershaw. A trade headed by Perez, Alberto, Villenueva, and Ramirez would honestly be too much on the Rangers side but that would get it done without either of the two. Besides, if Olt was to be dealt then it would be to Philly for Hamels.
Kershaw? I hope you don’t really believe that. No GM would trade him for a package of minor leaguers… especially one in a big market that values his job.
Everyone in the industry will tell you otherwise.
Hyperbole much? Kershaw is a legitimate draw. How are you going to explain trading a perennial Cy Young candidate… heck, MVP candidate, for a package of unproven minor leaguers to a fan-base wherein at least 50 percent don’t follow prospects, or the minor leagues in general?
If the Dodgers were a non-competitive team like the last several years, and didn’t just get new ownership, I would agree with you. I think the Rangers would make a fantastic offer on Kershaw, but considering all of the new events that have transpired (ownership, winning record) they will not trade him. Not to mention the numerous years of cheap controllability he has left.
Well since Greinke guarantees Texas a WS win, where do we sign?
Again, it wasn’t a bad trade then. If he had half a season left on his contract at the time then it would be an AWFUL trade.
very true
Sabathia – Brantley/LaPorta……. Grienke – ??
brewers get: CJ Cron, Kaleb Cowart, Jean Segura and Nick Maronde
Angels get: Zack Greinke, Willy Peralta, Jed Bradley, and Logan Schafer
So, who’s in the Brewers rotation next year then? I don’t know why Milwaukee would make a move like that. Greinke should be able to net two of those guys on his own.
starting rotation for the brewers next year
Yovani Gallardo
Shaun Marcum
Mike Fires
Kyle Loshe (sign him in free agency)
Marco Estrada
Chris Narveson in the bullpen
Hamels-Texas
Greinke-Atlanta
Garza-New York
Dempster-Baltimore
Upton-Pittsburgh
Victorino – ? New York?
The White Sox don’t have the prospects to acquire Jamie Moyer. No way he ends up in Chicago.
Unless the white sox are willing to trade sale (they won’t be) they have no chance at grienke
I definitely don’t see him ending up on the White Sox, they don’t have what it would take in their system to trade for Greinke.
Crazy Thing – The Rangers are set up to win for the next 10 years….. With or without Olt, Upton, Greinke, and/or Hamels….
I think the cardinals should give up the prospects shelby miller and rosenthal for greinke. They need another ace
From Bauman’s article on the Brewer site, it sounds like he thinks the Brewers may be holding onto Greinke for the rest of the year. I have feeling that the Brewers feel they can get more from the draft picks they’ll receive than they are being offered in any trades right now (which can obviously change at any moment).
My guess is that teams aren’t willing to trade any top prospects unless they can get a deal signed with Greinke (ie Braves). If they lose Greinke to free agency, they will have lost (1). the prospects they traded, (2). the prospects they would have received from draft pick compensation in years past, and (3). an ace in Greinke. Unless the trade virtually guarantees that they have something to show for it in years to come (a WS championship or an extension for Greinke), I doubt teams are willing to meet the (most likely very high) demands of the Brewers.
Greinke- Atlanta
Hamels- Angels or Rangers
Garza- Boston
Dempster- Baltimore
Victorino- NY
Upton- Pitt
Swith Gennett for Weeks. He would slot in great once Kinsler is done. (Although I don’t know how long Kinslers contract is.) And Aoki’s D isn’t that bad. He’s made some great catches, and the arm is decent. And I know they’d never* give up Profar but to get Grienke…
Kinsler’s signed through 2017 with an option for 2018.
Greinke for Profar and Olt or another top prospect would be a good trade. Brewers would not be giving up anything else in that trade.
Lester/Beckett, Boegarts and Bradley for Hamels?
If the Price is 130, it would have been done by now.
After 2017, Kinsler will be 35 and Gennett would be 27
So what?
Gennett’s an unranked prospect. Kinsler’s a top five MLB second baseman. Which proves the point that the Rangers have no need for Gennett, especially if they have to give up the best offensive prospect in the game in the deal.
lester yes. Beckett no. but why would the sawx consider that?
Way too much. The Sox would never even consider it.
I’m just saying at that age Kinsler may be slowing down and Gennet may be evolving into a stud in his prime. And that would be alot of $$$ being saved after the ’17 season going from Kinsler to Ginnett to sign others… all just talk and thoughts
I can deal with his glove if he keeps hitting in the leadoff spot. He’s been a batting champ before in Japan so why not have Braun knock him in for about 6 more years
I just have that hunch by watching him play. He doesn’t look like he’s enjoying it here. Hits a HR and sits on the bench and doesn’t talk to anyone. The Brewers offered much more than anyone else, so of course he signed since it was for the most $$. Brewers needed him.
Yeah no “undisclosed sources” here. Just things i see with my eyes. Pure opinion
Berry you don’t like my hunches/thoughts/opinions very much do you… hahaha
As part of an imminent deal..the acquiring team might have asked for his start skipped to sync with his next start in a new uniform. Could be imminent.
I remember watching Ubaldo Jimenez pitch for the Rockies last season AFTER he had been traded to the Indians…wow….they didn’t even pull him.
I’m guessing any deal that gets made..Greinke is hands on given his psyche…it’d be in the best interests of everyone.
Depending on which stat you are looking at, Greinke is anywhere from #2 to #5 pitcher in MLB this season and over last 3 seasons. There is no one even close in value to him among pitchers that may be available in trade.
I’m not as down on them, actually. A lot of what they can accomplish as a team is riding on what kind of production they get out of Weeks, Ramirez, and Hart next year. Weeks is not playing to his ability (again) and at times has been downright terrible. Ramirez got off to a slower start than usual, and Hart had a run where he was striking out by waving at pitches off the outside corner like it was 2010. Unfortunately, he hasn’t been riding any real long hot streaks like he did that year.
I just see Attanasio and Melvin always looking to be in “win mode” while Braun is in his prime… partially because it makes good business sense at the gates, and partly because I’m pretty sure Braun himself will demand it.
The top 4 prospects in CHI’s system would mean 4 C+ or worse prospects. Brewers would turn that down.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Their farm is terrible.
which means Bears season is about to end.
They need maybe two of their pitching prospects to turn into solid MLB pitchers in order to have the pitching needed to be competitive. I feel like this is a legitimate possibility. They need to continue to draft and develop, and then their window is never totally closed. Obviously, easier said than done… but I’m a fan, so I have to believe!
Me and every other prospect evaluator I have read this year. Coming in, CHI had a few solid bullpen arms (Reed being much more than solid). With those guys in the MLB now, there are just a couple toolsy, lottery ticket types and some low-end pitching. This would likely not interest the Brewers.
This is classic overvaluing of one’s own prospects. The general consensus is that you just listed an uber-athletic lottery ticket and 3 potential back of the rotation pitchers.
I bet, however, that you have MUCH rosier projections for these four, as virtually every fan has for their own team’s prospects.
A good trade for the Brewers, you mean. That’s tremendously bad for the Rangers.