The Blue Jays announced that they have acquired second base prospect Devon Travis from the Tigers in exchange for center fielder Anthony Gose.
Of the two players involved in the deal, only Gose comes with Major League experience. Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski tells Lynn Henning of the Detroit News (Twitter link) that Gose will play center field regularly for the Tigers if all goes according to plan. The fleet-footed Gose is known to be an outstanding defender with a questionable bat, though he carried a fair amount of hype upon reaching the Majors in 2012, as he’d previously ranked as a Top 100 prospect according to Baseball America, MLB.com, Baseball Prospectus and ESPN.
Gose hasn’t hit much in his time in the bigs, compiling a .234/.301/.332 batting line with five homers and 34 steals (in 45 tries) over 616 plate appearances. However, Gose is still just 24 years of age and will play nearly all of next season at that age. He’s perfectly capable of playing center field based both on scouting reports from his prospect days and defensive metrics such as UZR/150 (+13.6 in a 900-inning sample) and Defensive Runs Saved (+2). Gose has hit .241/.316/.350 against right-handed pitching in his career, so he could at least fall into a potential platoon with Rajai Davis if he struggles against lefties. He’s under team control through the 2019 season and won’t be eligible for arbitration until at least the 2016-17 offseason.
Gose is no stranger to seeing his name in trades. Originally drafted by Philadelphia in the second round back in 2008, he was shipped to the Astros in the Roy Oswalt trade before being flipped to Toronto in a one-for-one swap with Brett Wallace. Within the press release announcing the swap, Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski offered the following statement on Gose:
“Anthony is a true center fielder than can provide us with above average defense in center field with a good arm. He possesses above average speed and can steal bases at the major league level. He swings the bat from the left side and we feel that he will continue to improve his offensive game. We are very happy to welcome him to the Club.”
While Gose comes with upside, the acquisition of Travis appears to be a nice return for Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos. Baseball America ranked Travis as the game’s No. 84 prospect heading into the 2014 season and just today ranked him as the No. 1 prospect in Detroit’s minor league system (though ESPN’s Keith Law still tweets that he considers Travis a “non-prospect).
BA’s subscriber-only scouting report (subscription highly recommended) explains that Travis has excellent bat-to-ball skills, balance at the plate and bat control. Per BA’s Ben Badler, Travis has the ability to square up both fastballs and offspeed pitches well enough to hit 10-15 homers per season and is an adequate defender at second base who turns double plays well.
Toronto’s interest in Travis is hardly surprising, as the team is known to be on the lookout for second base help that will allow Brett Lawrie to play at third base full time. Travis should fill that role eventually, although he may not be ready for immediate big league action. The 23-year-old appeared in 100 games at Double-A Erie in 2014, batting .298/.358/.460 with 10 homers in 441 plate appearances. Last year, Baseball America’s Clint Longnecker took an excellent look at the changes Travis has made from his days at Florida State that enabled him to become one of the game’s better second base prospects.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Woah, good job, Jays.
Definitely, Travis was like #80ish prospect in all of baseball before this season, and Gose is pretty much a flop (Albeit he’s still 25). Still a good pickup for Toronto.
Your guy is 24 not 25 and is major league ready. Our guy was 3rd on the depth chart at 2b so they were moving him to CF. He is coming off an injury so you will be lucky to see him by 2017.
A sports hernia is going to keep him out of the 2015 season? Good lord.
Apparently sports hernia requires 2 years of rest and can’t be played through what-so-ever. Miguel Cabrera confirms this.
NO. He will probably have a rocky 2015 season trying to heal and make the leap to AAA. I don’t see him playing for the Jays in 2015. I see him as a 2016 Spring Training invitee and a 2017 starter IF he makes the majors at all. He is still a 12th round draft choice who has made great strides and might be a major leaguer soon but there are plenty of guys who are highly touted and stall at the AAA level and become the 4a player everyone dreads. Ask Don Kelly of the Tigers what it is like to a player with 4A skills. Every team needs one of them but there are usually 3 players fighting for that one spot.
My guy is 23 and will likely be playing for a starting position in ST, but yes, your new guy, formerly Toronto’s guy is 24.
Dude, look at the Birthday’s of both guys. Travis will turn 24 in February and be 24 the entire 2015 baseball season. Gose will not turn 25 until August so at the begining of the season, they are both 24. Semantics….your new guy will be in the minors still trying to make the Major leagues where Gose is a proven bonafide Major Leaguer with a PLUS arm and PLUS speed. Sure he has a “light bat” he is 190 pounds so a few more years of getting stronger on a team that does not require his bat, is a perfect fit. Your new guy “might” make the team in 2016 and he will probably hit better but for what the Tigers are trying to do “win a World Series” and what what your team is trying to do “be relevant” and better than 3rd place for a change, its a no brainer. Tigers win this hands down for the next two years and if he develops to a .250 hitter, and 20 stolen bases, were good!
You missed it, completely. I’m not even a blue jays fan.
Even worse for you then. Why comment about their ages when its not the relevant and by not being a Jay’s fan, it means you know even less on the trade then fans in Toronto or Detroit.
That’s not true at all.
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Gose is far from a proven Major Leaguer lol. Yes he has plus speed and is a great CF, but he has no idea how to use his speed. Terrible approach at the plate, K’s way too much, doesn’t hit the ball on the ground, terrible OBP, can’t bunt and given his speed is not even a good base stealer. He’s always been a guy that has been raved about for his speed and defense since he was drafted in 2008. He hasn’t developed any other part of his game to be Major League caliber in 6 years. He’ll be a bench player by the end of 2015 for the Tigers.
He has spent at least “part-time” with Jays for the past 3 years. They only way you can do that is if you offer something they need. He provided them with a PLUS speed in the OF/basepaths and a PLUS ARM for late inning defense. He has not developed into a MLB hitter-YET. Austin Jackson was traded by the Yankees to the TIgers because they never thought he would develop as a hitter. He is a lifetime .270 hitter and has excellent defensive skills. HIs batting is inconsistent and although he had speed, it was not base stealing speed. Gose is the left handed version of AJ with base stealing speed. He is absolutely a MLB proven Defender and ARM. He is a HUGE project at the plate and everyone gets that but at age 24, he can still develop. If he is still doing the same things at age 26, he becomes a late inning bench player for sure. Carlos Pena was given 6 years to play great defense and had all the potential in the world but it took 4 teams to allow him to figure it out. Gose probably should have stayed in the minors but teams rush players all the time now. His defense and speed was an asset that Toronto liked for a small role and only his poor bat kept him from playing everyday. The Tigers do not care about his bat. Play defense and get on base via walk or bunt. They have enough offense without his bat so for the Tigers, its a great fit economically and defensively.
Ah, the classic “our prospect is awesome” to “our prospect is worthless” turnaround the minute he is traded.
Okay, I like Travis, I think he’ll hit, but I don’t understand how Gose is a flop. Even if he doesn’t improve with the bat AT ALL he’s a 1~2 win player just by his defense and baserunning.
Flop is probably overboard on my part, he just doesn’t seem close to the type of player people were saying he’d be. That’s baseball though.
I think he’s a 4th OF type. I really like Travis.
He’d be one of the better 4th OF in baseball, with zero improvement. We’re banking on Travis to improve (otherwise he won’t even make it out of the minors) but Gose, who is only months older, can’t?
It’s not so much banking on him to improve, as it is that dream of hoping that his minors stats translate 1:1 to the majors. That’s the (unrealistic) allure of prospects who haven’t made it yet. Gose absolutely could still improve with the bat, and he’s a useful player even if he doesn’t.
I think it’s a fair trade for both teams. Tigers get a good defensive CF to roam that giant OF in Comerica, who’s still young and has plenty of upside of his own.
Jays are obviously banking on Pompey being their future guy in CF now and get a useful prospect who could potentially play in the majors next year for a guy that would’ve been a 4th OF for them in all likelihood.
Gose was a top prospect. Becoming a 4th outfielder is flopping.
And here I was hoping the Phillies could some how flip Papelbon and cash for Nathan and Travis – when apparently, all they need to do was offer up Ben Revere.
I would have liked this trade for the Tigers, Phillyfan.
Now who is going to lay down the bunts for the Jays?? I know my man Navarro isn’t!
If Gose had had any consistency with bunts he would have been a keeper. A few times he made it look easy and repeatable, other times hard and rare. This likely helps both teams, but feel Blue Jays got the better player, also the nicer player, by all accounts.
WOW!!!!!!!!! Travis was the Tigers top prospect!
This speaks volumes for a possible Kinsler trade that will never happen now.
But, it looks like it might be mutually beneficial. Tigers DESPERATELY need a CF while the Jays DESPERATELY need a 2B.
Ya I mean this totally fixes our hole in 2B in 2017 (edit: PS I’m not saying this was a bad trade. In fact, it looks great. But this does not fix any holes in the near term if you were thinking it does).
Yeah, I agree with that. Neither are short term solutions
Exactly. Lowrie or Asdrubal on at least a 2 year deal should still be the priority.
Adding those guys still doesn’t make this team a legit contender, we’d be lucky to get the wildcard once the annual yearly injuries come raining down. As things stand Justin Smoak is currently our #5 hitter or #4 hitter if Bautista hits in the #2 hole next year depending on if Melky does re-sign or not.
We’re really going to need to replace Cabrera’s bat first and than add someone to play second. We also need to revamp the bullpen with someone proven.
Top prospect in a fairly weak system. Not saying it as a knock on Travis or anything, just that one team’s top prospect might only rank fifth or sixth in another org, which is likely the case with Travis.
Good point. Like Willy Adames, someone nobody heard of in the Tigers organization, becoming the Rays number one prospect 3 months after the trade.
Tampa Bays system is not as strong as it once was.
Its not a weak system devoid of talent. Its a system that uses the prospects to get guys like Cabrera (only two left in the majors and none are on that Florida team). They trade “hope” for bonafide major leaguers and yet the system had enough to get David Price and Jokim Soria. So if the system is so bad, why do teams keep taking the prospects in trades? The organization does seem to keep winning divisisions and getting to the World Series so maybe a kudos is order and not a rip?
We are talking about the present so who cares about what they had in the past. Currently they do have a bad farm system.
Tigers did not rank him that high. Stephen Moya who is 6″7 and a left handed power hitting RF is the #1 prospect. You can have the diminutive prospect and we will take the MLB ready player.
Baseball America did. This shows how bad the farm system is…Yikes
MLB ready is being generous, AAA ready is even a stretch. You’ll find out soon that Gose is nothing more than a glove, he struggles with bunting and gets away with mistakes like bunting to the pitcher because of his speed, he always gets late breaks on a stolen base attempt and he’s extremely easy to pick off because he leads off way too much. We Jay fans have had the privilege of watching him for years now, he’s not Rajai Davis on the bases and he’s not anything special with the bat.
Ready for an MLB bench, that is.
Devon Travis is 5’9″, an average defender and runner, who can put the bat on the ball. Say Hello to Scott Sizemore 2.0. Useful, but don’t get overly excited.
Gose looks like he is a good defender, with speed, who will end up in a platoon at best. He’s an upgrade over Ezequial Carrera, if that’s saying anything.
5″9, average defender and runner, who can put the bat on the ball. Sounds like Josh Harrison.
Maybe Law projects his Napoleon complex. I don’t know if he thought Pedroia would make the majors but he didn’t think much of him and Scooter Gennett received the “non-prospect” tag.
Anyone is an upgrade over Ezequial Carrera imo. ( I will never forget when he dove for a ball and completely misplayed it which resulted in the Twins winning a crucial game against the Tigers)
Im assuming that the Tigers were interested in Gose because in addition to a CF, they need someone with speed and defense. The Tigers outfield was horrific in defense last year.
Despite Travis being I guess…okay? He is listed in Baseball America as one of the top 2B prospects and as I mentioned the Blue Jays especially need some depth there.
Baseball America’s top prospect for the Tigers is not the same as the actual top prospect the Tigers feel is their number 1 pick. This would be Stephen Moya a 6’7 LH power hitter in the mold of Darrly Strawberry without the drugs.
Dkaner’s top prospect for the Tigers is not the same as the actual top prospect the Tigers feel is their number 1 pick.
Nice little grab by the Jays
As a Yankee fan, Im gonna miss Gose
George Vander Buist
Well, there he gose to detroit
Call it Devon intervention.
Maybe he’ll help them finally beat Detroit in the playoffs?
As a Jays fan, this is my favorite comment in awhile.
wow, Travis is a very good prospect to trade him for Gose!
Nice one to the Jays, no tot well for the Tigers (Fister say hi)
As a Jays fan, I’m thrilled with this trade. Gose is a great fielder, but not good a good hitter. He just wouldn’t change his approach at the plate.
Yup, exactly. IMO you guys fleeced us in this deal since Travis is our #1 prospect and Gose is a mediocre 4A player. But who knows, sometimes you can’t tell who won these deals until a few years after.
Rough day for the Tigers…yeesh
No Tiger prospect ever pans out anywhere.period unless you want to go way back to 1987 and Smoltz.Travis is far from their top prospect.And has only played AA so far.Tigers have 2 prospects that can play second ahead of him in Saurez and Perez.This was a good trade for the Tigers.Has anyone seen the market for a good Center fielder.
I agree it was a good trade for the Tigers. They needed an inexpensive option in CF who could defend and has speed. Tigers are not done by a longshot. I still think if the trade Kinsler, they can use that money elsewhere. This prospect was never going to play 2b for Detroit. He was being moved to CF and he is coming off an injury.
Kinsler probably wont be traded because of his contract. Hopefully they will drop him in the lineup this year, because as a leadoff hitter, HE WAS TERRIBLE. (OBP barely .300) He can drop 6th behind J.D.
There is no market for good CF. Mediocre CF there’s a few. Gose is as good a guess as any.
Jays fans may be overvaluing Travis. Being number one in the Tigers system is not all that impressive. Being number 80 in baseball is nice, but is by no means a guarantee. He played well in AA last year, but that’s a long way from the majors. I’d say his ceiling is an average MLB second baseman and he’s more realistically a nice utility player. I think this was a good swap for both sides.
East Coast Bias
I’m guessing it has more to do with the price (Gose), than the product (Travis).
I don’t think the price and the product will be too far off from each other when it’s all said and done.
Which is why this serves as a win-win for both teams. Jays have squat at 2B minus the potential position change of Dwight Smith Jr.
East Coast Bias
Perhaps. But right now, the potential of Travis looks a lot more valuable than Gose’s production.
It’s not just about price, it’s about what else that price could have bought. Opportunity cost. And it would seem Tigers could have gotten more than what Gose offers right now by dangling Travis.
This could all change, but at the time the trade was made, it looks like a win for the Jays.
Be wary of the “P” word. There was a time that it was used on Gose!
So in other words….Ryan Goins 2.0?
How do you figure that? Did you read the scouting report at all? Pretty much the opposite of Goins.
Was just going from what the other guy said.
No, more like Scott Sizemore 2.0
Gose’s defense at a premium position would intrigue me more than Travis’ bat at 2nd. “Being number 80 in baseball” Yeah Gose was a higher grade prospect only 2 years ago, shows you how quickly opinions change. I think it’s pretty even too, I like them both actually.
Being number 1 isn’t a guarantee. AA is close to the majors for many players.
Tigers gave up a hitter with a suspect glove, their # 1 prospect, for a defensive replacement. Tigers already have similar players in Carrera and Fields. I though Travis was going to be CF for the Tigers in 2016.
Really, Jays couldn’t get more?
for a no-hit CF that looks increasingly like a platoon candidate or 4th OF?
lol you kidding? this looks like a fleecing in their favor!
rarity cause Noah says Hi
Seems like the Jays are going to acquire a 2B with one year left on his contract (Daniel Murphy, maybe even Zobrist?) before Travis is big league ready. –OR–
He can be used as trade bait for a big acquisition.
Tampa might throw in the towel soon seeing as they’re David Priceless for next season.
why would the Mets give up Murphy and why would the Rays trade within the division.Both teams will ask for the moon and rightfully so the Jays will say no.Aaron Sanchez , Dalton Pompey or Franklin Barreto would be in a Mets trade. One of those 3 and I doubt Toronto would do that.Mets are looking to contend hence why the gave up the 15 pick for Cuddyer
Zobrist is a salary dump by Rays. Jays already have 60 million committed to 3 players for 2015. Can not afford another bad one year contract.
Tampa Bay trades salaries, but I don’t seem to recall any “Dumps”. They seem to get back talent.
I don’t think he’s a bad one year contract. He can play both 2B and LF, especially when Melky is unlikely to re-sign. Although a trade between teams in the same division is rare…
Well Detroit’s farm is pretty bad. A top prospect there can be a non-prospect elsewhere.
84th overall is still just that, regardless of who’s system he was in…
Travis was top 100 even before his successful 2014.
Looks like a meh deal for the Tigers on the surface, but so did the Rajai Davis and JD Martinez deals. DD’s a gambler and he’s had a lot of luck witjh these kind of under the radar deals. Gose has a cannon for an arm, can cover a lot of ground in the field, bunt well and steal you a base. The type of player winning teams need.
He doesn’t bunt that well, gets away with a ton of bunts because of his speed. His breaks on steals are also pretty bad, it’s almost always a late break and he is pretty easy to pick off.
Thanks for the scouting report (not being fecetious). I just see him being a pain in a lot of team’s a…
He’s not really, we had Davis if you don’t remember. Davis can’t bunt at all but Davis’s baserunning abilities are so much superior to Gose’s in every way it’s kinda ridiculous. Gose’s only real value is on defense and he should do well in that massive outfield.
tbh – Gose can only cover range in the outfield and steal bases…not much else is as good as you may claim. His arm might be strong but his accuracy needs work as he always seems to hit the mound or throw off-line sometimes. His bunting wasn’t very successful either, it needs more work actually…he needs a lesson from Rajai Davis 101
Don’t listen to this guy, Gose has got some pretty pronounced tools. He throws well, plays a great centerfield and can steal a bag. He’s not quite Rajai Davis but few guys are. Davis is the type of guy that can steal 2nd and 3rd on consecutive pitches when everyone in the ballpark knows it’s coming. Honestly maybe the best base stealer I’ve ever seen. IMO, the only real problem with Gose is he can’t hit. The guy is almost always behind 2-0 fastballs.
Nice summary but I also like Mandering’s too.
Oh yes, don’t listen to me when Gose was among the tops in the league in pickoffs last year. A horrendous achievement given the man didn’t play anywhere close to a full season. Pickoffs + Caught Stealing = Bad Baserunning.
His only value is defensively, expecting anything more is just lying to yourself.
FWIW, Devon Travis made Fangraph’s “Top 10 Prospects for 2015 by Projected WAR.” Says he already profiles as a league average hiiter. Could be a good one.
Time trade Porcello for prospects? I mean, got to do a Fister 2.0 trade after that one went so well.
We don’t know how well the trade will go. Fister will be a free agent next year. If he does not re-sign with the Nationals, his value will go down to zero. The Tigers saved almost $20MM by trading him for prospects over the last 2 years.
On the other hand, if Ray and Krol each pitch 4 years at a MLB level, they will easily save the Tigers another $40-50MM over those years (v. equivalent free agents).
Total savings for the Tigers by making this trade could be $70MM, depending on their performance.
But, as you have breathlessly informed everyone on the Victor Martinez thread, money doesn’t matter for the Tigers. It’s all about talent, all about winning.
So since money has nothing to do with it, we know exactly how to evaluate the Fister trade: it was terrible.
No sure where you got that from. My point is VMART is worth it because $17MM is only $2MM more than Qualifying Offer level. But the end of VMART’s contract, his AAV will be LESS THAN the QO level.
The benefit of a qualifying offer is that it is a one-year term. A series of four qualifying offers is significantly more valuable than a four-year contract at QO-prices.
You like to point out that insurance exists if there’s an injury. That doesn’t replace on-field production and it doesn’t change payroll numbers. It changes Ilitch’s wallet.
In the meantime, insurance is actually a significant additional cost for a four-year term on 36 year old former catcher with a recent injury history.
Besides all of that, the threat of injury is not primarily DL-time. It’s decline and underperfomance. There’s no reimbursement for nagging injuries that make Victor a 110 wRC+ hitter (0 WAR player) instead of the 125-135 wRC+ he is now.
The only way to justify it is to say that to the Tigers, money doesn’t matter. They just need to win now. That’s a decent justification. But you can’t have it both ways. If that’s the story, then the Fister trade was horrible.
The Qualifying Offer is not an arbitrary number, it is the average of the top 125 players in MLB the previous year.
Reasonably VMART will outperform the QO level considerably in year 1 and year 2. Or if you want to look at it from a $/WAR valuation, he will beat his WAR value.
In years 3 and 4, he may be slightly above or dip slightly below the QO level. So what? His overall value will be well about QO level for the 4 years.
The only real issue is a major injury. If you get an expensive car, there is a risk that you will crash it. Your insurance will be high. So what? That insurance enables you to feel comfortable in getting the car, because the downside risk not not ZERO.
This has probably been AA’s best move so far. Im not really too high on Gose, seems like every other all glove, no hit, speedy outfielder. Not sure why the Tigers would be inclined to trade a top 100 prospect for that but who knows. I understand needing a cheap platoon partner, but I feel like DD could have found a similar alternative through free agency. Moving Lawrie to third will definitely improve his defense, and steamer has him for over 3 war next year.
Best move was trading Wells imo. 2nd best was getting Lawrie. This one is up there though.
Or how about extending Jose and Edwin at below market deals?
What similar alternative is available in FA?
Tigers were playing Travis in CF before a core injury side lined him. He was the #1 prospect in Detroit according to Baseball America. I have a bad feeling this trade is gonna come back and haunt Dombrowski.
In my opinion Gose is a good player. He does not fit the leadoff hitter role. The Jays tried to change him to bunt and walk more but he really is a free swinger.
He is great defensively, has a good throwing arm and has great speed. He strikes out more than you would want and doesn’t walk enough.
At worst he is Peter Bourjos but 3 years younger. If you just let him hit the way he wants he could be Austin Jackson 2.0. Not a star, but a good player until he gets expensive.
He had a higher OBA than Kinsler did last year.
He is a spark plug baserunner and solid defensive CF in a lineup that already has enough hitting to sacrifice the number 9 spot. He was learning to be effective has second lead off hitter for Reyes batting in the 9 hole and getting on base by and means possible. His eye got better under Kevin Seitzer (I don’t know why TO fired him) and started working counts better. If you already have a good lineup, he’s a nice guy to have on base for your 1-4 (when he gets on).
Jays didn’t fire Seitzer, he was on a one year deal, and they simply didn’t resign him.
Oh I stand corrected. I still liked his work and would have liked to see him rehired.
(+15 is considered “gold glove”, 0 is considered “average”, -15 is considered “awful”)
[Innings are for 2014 in CF only]
Gose: +23.0 in 485 innings
Jackie Bradley Jr: +22.6 in 949 innings
Bourjos: +20.0 in 649 innings
Rajai Davis: -1.7 in 374 innings.
Austin Jackson: -10.0 in 1145 innings
A Center fielder that plays that well on defense and bats .235 is better than a Center fielder that bats .300 and is a below average defender… This is especially true in “Comerica National Park”.
The other part I like about this is he is under control for five more years. Each VMART signing needs an under $1MM guy to get the average player salary for the Tigers down.
EXCELLENT points!! Any player that is an established CF is either going to have an expensive contract, cost major prospects, or both, and will probably not have the team control.
Weird how obsessed people get with batting offense and do not understand the value of defensive oriented players.
Some simple math:
If a hitter gets 1 extra hit every 5 games (20 at bats), he goes from being a .235 hitter to a .285 hitter (0.050 increase in batting average is one extra hit every 20 at bats).
On the other hand, what if that same player is able to get to 2 or 3 balls that an average defender cannot get to, every five games? That is realistic for an excellent defensive center fielder, especially in “Comerica National Park”.
Billy Hamilton had 342 POs in 1200 innings. Ben Revere had 323 POs in 1200 innings. Hamilton was considered to be 14 runs above average while Revere was considered to be 18 runs below average. They played the same position, about the same numbers of innings and they were opposites defensively. The difference between the two was 19 outs in 1200 innings or roughly .0855 outs per 9 innings. Over a 45 inning sample the difference is .4275 outs.
This example is a case of extremes because one outfielder was excellent and one wasn’t. This suggests that your 2 or 3 balls theory over every five games is highly unlikely. It also suggests that even 1 out is highly unlikely. Half an out is about as drastic as it likely gets.
They played in different stadiums with different starting pitchers and different corner Outfielders. Interesting data though.
I would value UZR/150 more than straight “put outs”… why do you think Putouts is NOT the “flagship metric” to define how good a fielder is?
Who is to say that an extra put out isn’t equal to a “UZR Run”? I’d go with UZR (not UZR/150) over put outs also. The point is that we have no idea how to translate UZR into something understandable and measurable like put outs.
We have no idea what having a +10 UZR really means. Is he 3% more likely to make a play than a guy that has a 0 UZR? 2%? 10%? Will he make an extra play a week? Half a play?
Although two extra outs a week is unlikely to be accurate. But that’s why I said something.
The emergence of Pompey, and full time commitment to baseball by Anthony Alford, made this deal possible for the Jays.
I wish Gose well. If he cuts the K% down, he’s a potential 3 win player full time. Plus arm, plus speed, plus range. Good deal for both sides.
Dave Dombrowski, are you ok? Haha need to sit down? He was the Tigers best prospect (Baseball America), and you traded him for a platoon outfielder
Which side of the platoon can Gose hit? He’s bad against righties (85 wRC+) and horrendous against lefties (38 wRC+).
The Tigers have no respect for their prospects. This band aid solution is going to blow up in their face. This reminds me of the Jose Veras trade they did previously. It helps the Tribe so keep up these insanely short sighted moves kittys.
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What does this mean for who will play 2B for Toronto in 2015?
Gose has incredible speed and played gold glove defense but his approach at the plate was horrendous..
Looks like the Tigers got hosed on this deal.
Jays and other MLB scouts rate
Travis as having similar make up and skills
as Altuva .
Keith Law is usually wrong…so that is a good sign
for Jays fans.
Law liked that deal between NYY and Seattle
and raved about that Yankees catcher/DH
who was a bust in Seattle
Can’t believe the Tigers would make this deal.!?
Bourjos…or Crisp (A’ s looking for 2B)
would have need better deals for Tigers.
Gose was a bust and did not hit for the Phillies or Blue Jays.
I actually like this move for the Tigers. We needed a lefty with Miggy, Kinsler, JD Martinez, Castellanos, and Iglesias all RH and his defense is top notch. Can’t have top hitters at every position. Now I’d love to get LH RF with some power/speed. Carlos Gonzalez would be ideal, if the Tigers can magically figure out a way to keep him healthy.
They’d also need to magically figure out how to outbid the other teams in a trade package, especially considering Colorado’s asking price is supposedly sky high. Trading your #1 prospect for a change of scenery guy that also fills a need does not reflect well on the farm system, although I suppose crazier things have happened in baseball, so who am I to tell you not to dream of obtaining Cargo.
Fair enough. I know it’s a long shot but I think we all learned from the David Price, Scherzer, and Miggy trades, if anyone DD knows how to do more with less. He also usually knows when to jump ship (Prince, AJax, Edwin Jackson, Curtis Granderson to an extent) Fister being the exception to that.
I am not saying necessarily Tigers send only prospects to the Rockies. But I would think they would be extremely interested in Rick Porcello, even if it is only for 1 year. They could try to extend him for lesser money than what they have CarGo for, hes young, proven and durable, and he’s a straight groundball pitcher, perfect for Coors Field. Porcello alone doesnt get it done. But add in a few prospects, and consider that the Rockies could use CarGo’s contract off the books and have capable OFs already in Dickerson, Blackmon, Barnes/Stubbs it seems at least viable.
You’re right, it is definitely within the realm of possibility. I for one, did not foresee Detroit being the one to land Price at last year’s trade deadline, so I certainly don’t pretend to know which team can obtain any player. But, if I was a betting man, I’d put money on the field over Detroit landing Cargo – assuming he’s even dealt at all.
I like it. This season was supposed to be take it all. We failed miserably with that bullpen and outfield situation. We traded this prospect because we have Kinsler for how long? 3 or more years right? We are in win now mode. We arn’t waiting for this kid to transition to centerfield for us in 2016.
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Gose has plus plus speed, that can’t bedebated, But other than his defensive play, he still hasn’t shown any indication of being able to use his speed. He cant bunt, he has a terrible approach at the plate and he’s not a great base stealer.
For Gose to improve he needs to learn how to bunt, be more selective at the plate, hit the ball on the ground and learn how to steal a base. Or at least 1 or 2 of these.
You can easily tell this is a better trade for the Jays. Just look on eBay and compare the autograph values for Gose and Travis. That’s always a sure fire way to evaluate trades.
I’m pretty much the only person who likes this move for the Tigers. There were no top notch defensive CFs available on the market and DD found one. On top of that, a LH hitting one. We have all RH in our lineup for the most part so this is a pretty great move. Yes, Travis has upside but he’s blocked by Kinsler for the next two seasons anyway which is really the end of the Tigers’ window (IMO ends next season when they lose Price and Porcello to free agency)
I like the trade too! 🙂
Gose has great tools and he can fill the hole left by Austin Jackson, but I can’t see why Detroit would part with Travis. The Blue Jays will get a long term solution for the second base catastrophe and for me they win this deal.