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Mets Notes: Offense, Niese, Collins

By Steve Adams and Jeff Todd | May 20, 2015 at 8:13am CDT

Despite struggles throughout their lineup, the Mets aren’t looking at adding any bats via trade, GM Sandy Alderson tells ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin. The Mets prefer to wait until David Wright and Travis d’Arnaud have returned from the disabled list before assessing any needs they may have to fill from outside the organization, Rubin writes. Both Wright and d’Arnaud could realistically return to the team within two weeks, though probably not much sooner. Alderson said a week isn’t enough time and each should require 10 to 14 days to get back.

A few more notes on the Mets to kick off Wednesday morning…

  • The Mets should clear a path for their much-ballyhooed pitching prospects to permanently join the rotation by trading Jon Niese, opines Andy Martino of the New York Daily News. However, one executive of a club that formerly had interest in Niese tells Martino that the club waited too long to move the lefty and “missed their window to get a lot for him,” as clubs are increasingly scared of Niese’s shoulder. Martino notes that the front office’s reply is that they never wanted to trade him and want Niese to pitch for them. Despite a pair of rocky performances of late, Niese’s ERA is still a perfectly acceptable 3.72, though estimators such as FIP and xFIP aren’t as bullish, calling for something more in the low-4.00s. Manager Terry Collins told Martino and other reporters following his most recent poor outing that a move to the bullpen isn’t in the cards.
  • With Noah Syndergaard and eventually Steven Matz needing rotation spots (to say nothing of the injured Rafael Montero and Dillon Gee — both of whom have made starts in 2015), the Mets do have an enviable surplus of starters. Alderson tells Rubin (Twitter link) that Super Two considerations will not play into the decision whether to keep Syndergaard on the big league roster when Gee is ready to come off the DL. Regardless of the reason, the club would seemingly risk considerable fan blowback were it to bump the prized rookie out of the rotation at this point (unless he falters).
  • That the Mets are in first place and acting the part of a contender may actually put Collins’ job in jeopardy, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Certainly, if the team maintains its status at or near the top of the division, Collins’ job would appear safe, but the team has looked more mediocre than great since its 11-game winning streak, Sherman notes. Continuing that stretch and sliding out of playoff contention would leave him as a lame duck manager (he’s signed only through 2015) whose club failed to live up to early expectations. Sherman notes that Collins has been on thin ice multiple times in the past, so it’s possible he could end up there again.
  • For all the hand-wringing over shortstop Wilmer Flores, those concerned with the team’s lineup may be missing the real issues. Flores actually rates as the team’s second most productive overall player behind Lucas Duda (by measure of fWAR). In terms of offensive numbers, the real problems lie in the early-season struggles of Michael Cuddyer and Daniel Murphy, combined with those of the club’s reserves. Other than Anthony Recker, who is now one of three catchers on the roster and has only 31 plate appearances, not a single bench player has an above-average overall batting line, with important reserve players like Ruben Tejada, John Mayberry Jr., and the since-designated Kirk Nieuwenhuis all posting rather dreadful numbers.
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  1. Bob Bunker

    10 years ago

    I was really hoping Craig or Vic could turn it around and be traded to NYM for pitching but that isn’t going to happen. Wonder what Castillo could return though.

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    • stl_cards16

      10 years ago

      Victorino is on a one year deal, he wouldn’t bring back any if the Mets young starters even if healthy and producing. Unless the Red Sox were willing to eat a significant amount of Castillo’s salary, I can’t see the Mets interested in trading the young pitchers for him.

      Reply
      • JordanSwingman

        10 years ago

        I’d be inclined to go after Castillo if the Sox are willing to take Niese and/or Gee along with a Montero and possibly a position player. However, a Victorino sounds more in the ballpark. And I don’t think Craig is an answer.

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    • ezrider

      10 years ago

      I’d be happy to give you Niese for Victorino. Maybe you thrown in the super utility wunderkind Brock Holt (not necessary though).

      Reply
  2. JordanSwingman

    10 years ago

    Honestly, they just need their full lineup healthy. Look at the Nationals, they were pretty bad without guys like Span and Werth in there. Why? Depth to the lineup. I’m not so worried about that, or even Wilmer Flore’s defense. However, they’re lineup even when healthy does lack that feeling of fear as say the Nationals.

    As for Niese, that ERA is a bit deceiving. He was at around 1.8-1.9 last week, so it has shot up his past few starts. I wouldn’t mind him or even Gee staying in the rotation, but with a bullpen full of arms coming back on top of guys like Matz, it just seems inevitable that one or both Gee and Niese need the boot. What they bring back might be disappointing, but Sandy always has a trick up his sleeve when it comes to trades so I’m not terribly worried.

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    • WolandJR

      10 years ago

      The biggest issue with the Mets is that they are going head to head with the Nats, meaning that the NL East is basically already out of reach for him. The Nats are clicking and Rendon isn’t even back yet.

      The Mets are in good position to make a run at the Wild Card, but this season really should be viewed as an opportunity to develop their young pitching staff. If I were the Mets, I’d put all my money on the young guys, ship our Niese and Gee for spare parts, and see what happens. If nothing else, the pathway for a serious run 2016 will be a lot more clear as a result.

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      • rct 2

        10 years ago

        How is the NL East ‘basically already out of reach’? They’re tied for it right now, and that’s with two of their best offensive players (Wright and TDA) missing a huge portion of the season.

        It’s not out of the realm of possibilities for Syndergaard to be great this year (like deGrom last year). Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Colon, and Gee/Niese/Montero would be a very solid staff.

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        • Vandals Took The Handles

          10 years ago

          Because the Nationals are one of the best teams in MLB. They started getting their players back from injury, and have gone 16-4 recently. More players are coming back.

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          • rct 2

            10 years ago

            And yet the Mets are tied with them, with two of their best offensive players coming back. They went 11-0 in one stretch. You can’t say that the Nats are going to run away with anything when they have average pitching. They lead the NL in hitting, but the Mets are #2 in pitching. Way too early to say that the division race is ‘basically’ over.

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            • Vandals Took The Handles

              10 years ago

              I believe the Mets are a wild card possibility. The Nationals played lousy in early April as they did in 2014 when they later righted the ship and ran away with the NLE. The Nationals are a powerhouse of a team. The have the best starting staff in MLB, a good bullpen, decent defense, and 2 of their best offensive players of 2014 – Rendon and Worth – will be returning within the next month.

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              • rct 2

                10 years ago

                The best starting staff in baseball? You’ve got to be joking. And the Mets get two of their best offensive players back in a few weeks as well.

                I’m not sure why I’m even arguing this as you’ve already declared the division race over on May 20th despite them not even having sole possession of first place.

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                • WolandJR

                  10 years ago

                  You’re arguing because you need to be loud in order to convince yourself you’re right.

                  Nobody is saying the Mets are a bad team. We are just trying to hedge your expectations.

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                  • rct 2

                    10 years ago

                    What are you talking about? I’m specifically arguing against the notion that the NL East is ‘basically over’. I don’t have expectations because, as I said before, IT’S MAY. I’m not saying that either team is going to be anything; I’m telling you to temper YOUR expectations. YOU are saying that the Nats have already won the division. Maybe turn down your own volume and look at a calendar.

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                    • WolandJR

                      10 years ago

                      What is the point of having advanced statistics and myriad projection systems (STEAMER, Marcel, ZiPS, etc.) if you are never going to use them to inform opinions? Maybe this is a rhetorical question…

                      Reply
            • WolandJR

              10 years ago

              Fangraphs is projecting the Nats to win 10 more games than the Mets. So it isn’t me saying that the Nats are going to run away with it, it is everyone else.

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            • WolandJR

              10 years ago

              Also, small sample size, dude. You think a rotation that has Scherzer, Strasburg, Gio, Fister, and Zimmermann is going to be middle of the pack all year? If anything you can say that the nats bats are over performing and the their pitching is under performing.

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              • rct 2

                10 years ago

                So, it’s a small sample size on the Nats pitching staff, but not a small sample size regarding standings and the projections based on those standings? Right. By the way, both teams not only have the same W-L, but the same Pyth as well. Their run differentials are close, too.

                It’s May. There is no conceivable way you can say that the NL East race is ‘basically over’ when they’re tied and play each other a million times.

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                • WolandJR

                  10 years ago

                  I’d say small sample size to both the pitching staff and the standings. Sorry for the confusion there.

                  And for real, don’t make this about me saying the Nats are going to run away with the East. Literally everyone else says the same thing. You seem to be the outlier.

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            • WolandJR

              10 years ago

              And all the 11-0 stretch did was ensure that the Mets would not finish the season below .500. Probably.

              Reply
  3. Blue387

    10 years ago

    The Mets defense is a problem. Jonathan Niese may have a 3.72 ERA but he’s given up 28 runs this year with only 20 runs earned.

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    • Rob Lucci

      10 years ago

      He still gives up way too many hits and doesn’t Strikeout batters, so all those baserunners will eventually score errors or not.

      Reply
      • Blue387

        10 years ago

        Niese has a 4.32 FIP this season.

        Reply
  4. Jonathan T.

    10 years ago

    Murphy needs to go. I can not deal with his mental mistakes. Sure he has been hitting as of late but what in the world was he doing charging in from second base on a bunt and not going to first to field it.

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  5. Sampsonite168 2

    10 years ago

    Mets have Nimmo and Conforto on the way. They don’t need outfielders, they need middle infielders.

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    • Ad-Rock

      10 years ago

      Doesn’t Herrera (presumably) solve one of the middle infield problems?

      Reply
  6. Niekro

    10 years ago

    Would the Rays be intrigued by who ever the extra Mets SP turns out to be? It seems like it would be an affordable option for them. I guess they could also just wait for Moore to come back though.

    Reply
  7. DrRamblings

    10 years ago

    I’d love for them to offload Gee, but he needs to come back from the DL and show that he isn’t still hurt. Niese has had 2 stinkers to pull down his otherwise pretty solid start (for him, as a #3/#4). Montero shouldn’t be considered in a trade unless a team overpays, as I think he has the most value of the three pitchers.

    For the love of Cthulhu…bring up Matz!!
    Harvey
    deGrom
    Syn
    Colon
    Matz
    Niese…yes, as a 6 for the next couple of weeks.

    Gee to the pen.
    Montero….stashed in Vegas? I dunno. He belongs in the Majors, but I’d rather not have him out of the pen.

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    • Trock

      10 years ago

      That is a rather filthy rotation if they can perform.

      Reply
  8. Rob Lucci

    10 years ago

    Mets need better bench players.

    Reply
    • Roger 2

      10 years ago

      The Dodgers have tons of great bench players and a need for pitching.

      Reply
      • TIMMIAY

        10 years ago

        Give me back Turner for Gee or Niese

        Reply
  9. tesseract

    10 years ago

    ONLY the NY media will point out how the manager of the team leading the division could have his job on jeopardy

    Reply
  10. Tommets

    10 years ago

    Use a combo of Syndergaard/Matz/deGrom and Montero/Niese/Gee along with Plawecki, Herrera/Murphy (depending on who you want to be the 2B) if you want a legit SS. Or you can really use both Murph and Herrerain a trade and move Flores over to 2nd. However, it’s a tricky situation. Maybe wait it out a little more. I like the FA SS for 2016 with Rollins, Desmond, Ramirez and Escobar as options for win-now. Use those guys mentioned above to get your SS for now and the future. I really don’t know what I want the team to do with the SS situation. One thing I do want them to do is trade either Murphy or Herrera to land a nice 8th inning piece like Petit or Casillas. Murphy can play 3rd or move Panik to 3rd and put Herrera at 2nd.

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    • Ad-Rock

      10 years ago

      Panik plays for the Giants. I’d also be reluctant to trade reasonable position players (like Murphy or Herrera) for bullpen pieces, especially considering how volatile they are. I’d rather them just let Murphy hit free agency, trade Herrera or Flores and 1-2 of the pitchers for a legit SS, and then keep whichever of Herrera/Flores they don’t trade at 2B.

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      • Tommets

        10 years ago

        I was saying for the Giants to move Panik to 3rd. And yeah, they can do that too.

        Reply
  11. Anti-Citizen One

    10 years ago

    Obviously Sandy isn’t going disclose what he’s doing in the end of May, why don’t these clowns in the NY understand GM-speak? Of course the offense is going to sputter with TdA and Wright out and Cuddyer not performing. Blevins out hurts the pen but not as badly.

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  12. TIMMIAY

    10 years ago

    Trade Murph and Niese as a package to get a reliever or a good 4th outfield/pinch hitter.

    Reply
    • Martin Kester

      10 years ago

      Of the league-high 13 players on the DL, 6 of them come from the bullpen. If I’m trading Murphy and Niese, I would want to add either Granderson or Cuddyer and get back a starting corner outfielder.

      Reply
  13. Martin Kester

    10 years ago

    The biggest problem for the Mets’ offense is Micheal Cuddyer and his lack of hitting. He’s not even serving as the professional hitter I expected, meaning productive outs and avoiding strike outs. Instead, he’s been an albatross in the middle of the lineup. Biggest problem is without Wright, there’s no sensible place to move in the order.
    Sandy is right to wait till 1/4 of the starting lineup returns from the DL to determine the next move.

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