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Poll: Should The Brewers Trade Carlos Gomez This Summer?

By Jeff Todd | June 1, 2015 at 10:14pm CDT

In his first piece for MLBTR’s newly-minted newsletter (subscribe in the sidebar at the right), Tim Dierkes argued that the Brewers ought to strongly consider dealing star center fielder Carlos Gomez. As he explained, Gomez has immense present value that is probably worth more to another club than to Milwaukee.

Nothing has changed since that time, as the Brewers remain buried in a highly competitive NL Central. True, Gomez has battled through some relatively minor injury issues, but he’s also bounced back from a tepid start. Over the month of May, he slashed .265/.318/.461 with four home runs and five stolen bases — numbers that fall shy of his impressive output over the last two seasons but nevertheless suggest he’s well on his way to getting back on track.

Best of all, of course, is the fact that Gomez is owed only $9MM for next season and the balance of an $8MM salary this year. That puts him within reach of any team in baseball — remember, the Royals took on even more salary when they acquired James Shields — and makes him the rare premium player who is both available and affordable. A team weighing the departure of big-named prospects would be comforted by the knowledge both that Gomez would remain a big trade piece next summer or in the offseason (remember, that’s what the A’s did with Jeff Samardzija) and that the team would stand to recoup a draft pick through the qualifying offer if they kept him for the duration of his contract.

An impact player with a budget contract ought to bring back a big return. In his second newsletter, Tim listed several plausible suitors and interesting trade pieces that the Brewers could pursue. He tabs the Yankees, Mariners, Blue Jays, and Angels as the most likely possible trade partners.

As Tim argued, it’s entirely possible that Milwaukee could actually improve its near-term and long-term outlook by moving Gomez (if not also stud catcher Jonathan Lucroy, who the club will likely be less amenable to discussing). But all the things that make Gomez so appealing to the rest of the league also make him a rare commodity for a smaller-budget club like the Brewers.

So, we’ll ask the MLBTR readers: would the Brewers be better off dealing Gomez, or holding onto him in hopes of building around him for another season?

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  1. JHoward

    10 years ago

    Why not use Lucroy instead? Trading Gomez is kind of a given…clearly building around him next year isn’t happening.

    Reply
    • Jeff Todd

      10 years ago

      Just think it’s too soon to consider him given his injuries and slow start. No way they trade him at an ebb in value — he’d need to pick things up significantly in the next month or so.

      Reply
      • oh Hal

        10 years ago

        I doubt his value is down. He’s pretty consistent. My belief is when Melvin says he’s not available, its his way of saying it would cost a lot. There is amazingly little catching around in the majors and minors and its a big weakness in the Brewers system. I think Melvin would trade anyone for the right price. Unless there is a catching prospect in the minors, about the only conceptual trade I could see would be with the RS for Swihart plus.

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        • Jeff Todd

          10 years ago

          It’s not that it’s down so much in the grand scheme of things, just that it would be hard for a team to give up a premium haul of talent when there’s some uncertainty.

          Reply
          • oh Hal

            10 years ago

            Makes sense.

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          • Chris Koch

            10 years ago

            There isn’t an uncertainty in his contract. You don’t hit 53 doubles one season and lose your ability to hit the next season, Lucroy has fantastic Line Drive rates for past 3 years.

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            • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

              10 years ago

              Happens all the time

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            • Jeff Todd

              10 years ago

              Okay, but I’m having a hard time remembering the last time a controllable player with an established track record was dealt when he had missed significant time with injury and had a .363 OPS.

              Reply
              • Chris Koch

                10 years ago

                Is today the trade deadline? Lucroy played for first time since that DL stint last night. There’s what 55games til the deadline? A lot of time to prove himself vs that statement. HOw many trades happen on June 2nd?

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    • daveineg

      10 years ago

      I don’t think anything is all that clear at this point. With a core under control into 2016 of Gomez, Braun, Lucroy, Lind, Segura, Davis in the lineup and Nelson, Peralta, Fiers and Garza in the rotation and K-Rod, Jeffress, Smith, Blazek in the pen and young players like Sardinas, Knebel and some flashy prospects at AA like Arcia, Reed and Taylor, getting close, and some significant salary being lopped off (Loshe, Broxton, Parra), they could choose to go after the biggest missing piece, an ace, in a FA year that’s teeming with top arms.
      This is a franchise that only gets opportunities to be serious contenders when they a. stay healthy and b. get an ace to lead the staff. They have neither this season which is why they have floundered this badly.

      Reply
      • douglasb

        10 years ago

        best case scenario, that 2016 team wins 82 games. Whoop-de-do. It’s like being a Bucks fan for the last 20 years. No… this thing has to be torn down. I don’t want to spend the next 10 years seeing win totals fluctuate between 60 and 80. Better to spend 5 years only winning 60 and emerge with talent ready to compete for 5+ years in a row.

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        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          That 82 win team is hugely talented. But you want to go for a 5 year rebuild. Then the first trade pieces should be Lucroy, Peralta, Smith and Nelson. Not a single player on the roster should be kept. I guess you’d have to stall the AA talent for an extra year or two in AAA or trade them as well.

          Reply
          • douglasb

            10 years ago

            Not sure what team you are watching in 2015. I am seeing a last place team.

            Reply
      • Brewblaz

        10 years ago

        Dave…interesting perspective, fans sometimes don’t understand, that small market franchises have less chance to win, than the larger markets, as windows of opportunities are smaller, as players constantly move to greener pastures.
        With the nature of our division (3 strong teams), this probably is the time to rebuild.
        Braun is not movable.
        Lucroy,Segura,Sardinas,Nelson,Blazek,Peralta are part of the solution.
        Everybody else is movable for the right price.
        The farm system needs to be rebuilt, think (Astros,Cubs,Twins,Royals).
        Painful as it is, in my opinion this is the way to go.
        Let’s not forget with our current team, we are 30th.

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        • douglasb

          10 years ago

          Lucroy is not part of the solution. He’ll be on his next contract before the Brewers can be good again. Keep him and the rebuild will fail. It will be a Herb Kohl style retool.

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          • Brewblaz

            10 years ago

            Doug…you maybe right, it’s just that Lucroy is such a valuable piece..hit,hit with power,excellent defense,frame pitchers,handle pitching staff…I’d be willing to suggest, although certainly not a good team, the Brewers would have at least 5 or 6 more wins with him in the lineup…I do see your point though, that the Brewers would surely get an excellent package in return, & Brewers probably won’t be contenders for awhile.

            Reply
        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          Actually, Braun is movable. Why would you keep any players?

          Reply
          • douglasb

            10 years ago

            I read his comment as nobody will want him.

            Reply
          • Brewblaz

            10 years ago

            Hal…Braun will be difficult to move for 3 reasons…his contract,his image,his downward production…As I suggested above some players should be in Brewers long range plans.

            Reply
            • oh Hal

              10 years ago

              I guess you’re signing players to FA extensions. That’s my idea of a non-rebuild. I think all your points about Braun are easily debatable.

              Reply
  2. CapnCutch

    10 years ago

    He can’t go to the Yankees. McCann would prevent him from entering the clubhouse…

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    • R.D.

      10 years ago

      As much as I love to hate on the yankees, the only real bad clubhouse influence they’ve brought in remotely recently is a-rod.

      I doubt they’d bite on Gomez. Especially since the brewers would want severino. Judge would be blocked by Davis and Braun for the time being.

      I wouldn’t want my team trading for Gomez either.

      Reply
    • Chris Koch

      10 years ago

      Ha-ha Good one

      Reply
  3. deucebaseman

    10 years ago

    Yes, to the Cubs! Baez, Alcantara, and Olt for Gomez.

    Reply
    • Ryan D

      10 years ago

      Hahaha, no.

      Reply
      • deucebaseman

        10 years ago

        You don’t like that? What if Gomez agrees to an extension? He is exactly what we need. Trade for him and sign him to a 4 year extension. We need a CF for the future. Fowler is not the answer, Almora is not the answer. Alcantara and Olt will be nothing, and Baez is too risky.

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        • Tommets

          10 years ago

          Not that Alcantara or Olt will be nothing, but they’re blocked by young players that should be the future of the team. They can be used on another team, like the Brewers. Anyway, I’d do that trade all day if I were the Cubs.

          Reply
          • oh Hal

            10 years ago

            Olt has a pretty good chance to be nothing and Alcantara is probably a utility player.

            Reply
          • Dock_Elvis

            10 years ago

            Sorry, but Olt will be nothing. He’s freely available AAA talent basically

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        • Brewblaz

          10 years ago

          Deuce….somehow, I don’t see the Cubs and Brewers dealing at all.

          Reply
      • R.D.

        10 years ago

        Talent wise that’s a steal for the cubs, all those pieces are pretty much expendable.

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        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          Yet the Cubs fan laughs at it.

          Reply
          • jb226 2

            10 years ago

            Sorry, did I miss the rule where a Cubs fan can’t laugh at a poor trade offer if it would benefit his team?

            Reply
    • A-A-RON22

      10 years ago

      Brewers would never take that deal. Sorry, looking for more upside for Gomez.

      Reply
      • Roger 2

        10 years ago

        There is plenty of upside there, but Baez is a boom or bust type prospect.

        The Brewers would definitely need more.

        Reply
    • scann

      10 years ago

      Try Baez,McKinney.Vogelbach…..

      Reply
    • Chris Koch

      10 years ago

      Yes, Please do away with the Garbage Cubs don’t have a use for and gain an elite OF, while not improving the Brewers in any single regard….Makes sense for Melvin to accept that.

      Reply
  4. Tommets

    10 years ago

    Herrera and Plawecki if needed add Montero or Gee.

    Reply
    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      Sandy?

      Reply
  5. tanque

    10 years ago

    adam lind to an a.l. team.

    Reply
  6. R.D.

    10 years ago

    I gave a tentative yes. The brewers need two solid pitching prospects to slot behind Nelson and (hopefully for them) Peralta.

    Reply
  7. scann

    10 years ago

    Gomez to the Mariners…Marte,Guerrero,Gohara to the Brewers…

    Reply
    • Warboss74

      10 years ago

      No where close to enough.

      Reply
      • scann

        10 years ago

        Oh yea…I forgot to throw in an autographed king Felix Jersey and autographed Cano corked bat…would that make Melvin happy..

        Reply
  8. oh Hal

    10 years ago

    I have a hard time imagining a package that the Mariners could do or the Angels unless they include one of their top 2 pitching prospects.

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    • Evan Morton

      10 years ago

      I think it would make sense for the Brewers to be looking for major league ready players as well as prospects. The mariners have a surplus of pitching prospects. I could see something like DJ peterson, Hultzen, Guerrero, Ackley. Mariners would prolly get some PTBL or small amount of cash. This would give the brewers Ackley who was once a top prospect and could turn his career around in the national league. A 3rd/1st baseman who isn’t really blocked by someone other than aging vets. an outfield prospect and a pitching prospect. Mariners get that extra bat they desperately need and move gomez over to left.

      Reply
      • oh Hal

        10 years ago

        Peterson looks broken, is a huge risk and may not stick at 3rd. They have lots of OFs and Guerrero isn’t hitting. Hultzen may be broken. And Ackley is 27 and doing terrible.

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  9. NatKingCole45

    10 years ago

    Yes they should. The Brewers are going nowhere anytime soon, and have zero farm system. Move him when he has a ton of value, which he does right now. They should also move Lind, Garza, Lohse, Fiers, Ramirez, hell every and anyone not named Lucroy or Braun really.

    Reply
    • douglasb

      10 years ago

      Garza, Lohse, and Ramirez have basically zero value.
      Lucroy and Braun should be traded. Perhaps with Lucroy’s team friendly contract they could unload Braun.

      Reply
      • willi

        10 years ago

        Braun is overrated, Plus the guy is low of Character !

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  10. Ray Darr

    10 years ago

    Number 1 need is 3rd base for after this year.

    Reply
  11. sdsuphilip

    10 years ago

    People need to stop acting like Gomez can just be had for extra pieces. Gomez coming into this year had been one of best players in baseball for 2 straight years, his “only” 108 wRC+ with his reputation in defense over 149 PA should not hurt his value. Now I am not saying he is worth a prospect like Urias, Buxton, or correa but he is worth a lot.

    I think I like the fit with the Astros with a deal around Vincent Velasquez or Michael Feliz and Domingo Santana plus maybe a raw prospect like Jacob Nottingham. That’s a lot I know, but Astros should have a ton of money to realistically have a good chance to keep one of best players in the game.

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  12. Chris Koch

    10 years ago

    I’m voting yes, but it is based on Milwaukee getting a premium return for an offer to accept. If not then wait til the offseason when all 29 clubs have a reason to go after him and not just 15-18clubs.

    Biggest reason to trade Gomez, is he would give clarity with his return where to turn to next on trades. It’d be especially true if he were traded say July 15th-20th and leaving 10days to 14, to make trades of Lind, Parra, Lohse, maybe Garza, KRod and whomever else. His return would clarify the needs to ask for those players.

    I’m rooting for Arizona to go after Gomez. Montgomery would know that system the best and the Brewers likely get the best return.
    Remove Inciarte and put Pollock,Gomez, Goldschmidt atop that lineup? Immediate improvement for the MVP of the NL to hit behind.

    Reply
    • sdsuphilip

      10 years ago

      it’s hard to see the diamondbacks having enough for carlos gomez, they have a good system. but Braden Shipley has not had a good year at AA, Bradley still doesn’t throw enough strikes, Blair projects as a 3/4

      Reply
      • Chris Koch

        10 years ago

        Don’t matter on whether having a good year or not. Shipley, fill a need with Jake Lamb for 3b. And like I said, Montgomery should know whom to pick off in the lower rankings as higher graded talent, since he was part of the reason for the picks. Marcus Wilson, Stryker Trahan One or both of them.

        Reply
        • sdsuphilip

          10 years ago

          It absolutely matters, Shipley is a good prospect but not elite and his stock is down. Carlos Gomez will cost a lot.

          Reply
          • Chris Koch

            10 years ago

            Have you watched him this season to make that determination? Or just basing that because of his numbers? Maybe the guy is working on his 2nd breaking ball pitch and is struggling to locate it, thus the higher numbers. Again, Montgomery drafted the guy, he knows exactly what Shipley or Blair offer. If the club makes a trade with the DBacks, whomever they got in return would have to be in high regard to Montgomery view. And that likely equals the Brewers getting the best back in trade.

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            • sdsuphilip

              10 years ago

              Shipley is 23 in AA has a awful 29/36 bb/so ratio and a era over 5, no matter what he is working on it is a big red flag how much he has struggled at his age when he got a chance at an advanced minor league level.

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              • Chris Koch

                10 years ago

                So, your opinion is based on current stats. In that case, Archie Bradley, Braden Shipley, Lamb, and Wilson or Trahan.
                Think a little fix in control may lead to a far improved ERA? Brewers Jimmy Nelson was erradic, had 2pitches. Comes back this season with a Curveball and immediately a better SP. How’s Trevor Bauer doing? Seems to have respectable numbers.
                Jake Arrieta? Couldn’t locate, now? Great #2 for Cubs.
                If Shipley has stuff that just needs location improvement, that’s a good talent to get.
                If anything, the season Shipley is having may make him more available vs if he was at 3ERA with a 2.5+ K/bb ratio.
                Again. It’s fully based on scouts and what they are saying Shipleys talent is.

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                • sdsuphilip

                  10 years ago

                  Those examples you give are reasons to be hopeful with Bradley given his age but there is still a ton of risk with bradley. Shipley has kept lofty prospect status just based off where he was drafted, the only time his periphals were good were in low A ball last year.

                  Reply
    • DM

      10 years ago

      Arizona’s front office puts a high value on character. I would say that leaves Gomez out.

      Reply
      • Timraiders

        10 years ago

        Arizona high character?????? Yea right Didn’t there former manager Kirk Gibson high five a pitcher after throwing at Ryan Braun? Sure they fired Gibson but it was for poor record. I’ll take a pass on the Dbacks having high character

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      • Chris Koch

        10 years ago

        What do you even mean? What concern is there of Gomez’s character? That he shouldn’t play the game at 100%?

        Reply
      • oh Hal

        10 years ago

        Tony LaRussa?

        Reply
  13. JMO

    10 years ago

    Reds should target BOTH Gomez and Lucroy. Gomez and Will Smith to Cincinnati for Stephenson and Winker. Reds extend Gomez.

    Gomez, Votto, Frazier, Mesoraco, Bruce, Phillips, Cozart, Hamilton

    Reply
    • sdsuphilip

      10 years ago

      that’s not near enough

      Reply
      • JMO

        10 years ago

        Reds top 2 prospects, both Top 50 in MLB. That might be enough. maybe another B level type.

        Reply
        • sdsuphilip

          10 years ago

          I don’t buy either as top 50 guys

          Reply
    • A-A-RON22

      10 years ago

      Yeah that wont happen. Gomez and Lucroy should get 2 top prospects EACH. Please remember, they are called “prospects” for a reason, they usually don’t pan out.

      Reply
      • willi

        10 years ago

        Lucroy stays , Gomez can be had for Two fair to good prospects.

        Reply
        • A-A-RON22

          10 years ago

          No way. Lucroy has a great contract. He’s a great hitter, don’t let his numbers fool you this year, he’s been injured and had a rough start. Lucroy plays one of the toughest position and he’s probably a top 3-5 catch in the MLB. He would get a top 25 prospect plus IMO

          Reply
        • A-A-RON22

          10 years ago

          Are we talking about the same Carlos Gomez?

          Reply
        • A-A-RON22

          10 years ago

          Gomez will get a HAUL. Much better return than Heyward and they got a pretty damn good starter for Heyward

          Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      JMO…don’t think the Reds & Brewers would deal. How would Reds be able to keep Gomez & Lucroy anyway; particularly with Cueto a free agent

      Reply
  14. crewfan85

    10 years ago

    At this point it would be a miss for the front office to not trade Gomez by the deadline. 1.5 years of a true MVP caliber player is too valuable of a trade piece for the Brewers to keep. Time to start building for the future.

    Reply
    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      Should they take less than they’d get later?

      Reply
      • Brewblaz

        10 years ago

        Hal….I think they’d get more closer to the trade dead line, as contenders who need hitters start bidding against each other. (Yankees,Mets,Angels,Mariners etc)

        Reply
        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          Mets won’t be in the bidding because Alderson doesn’t want to give anything of value. Mariners system doesn’t have anything to trade. Angels have 2 pitching prospects that might start a conversation, but if they’re off the table then they lack pieces.

          There might not be a lot of bidding.

          Reply
          • Brewblaz

            10 years ago

            Hal..Maybe you’re right, but when push comes to shove there will be offers for Gomez

            Reply
  15. DM

    10 years ago

    Who would want his bad attitude, definitely not the Yankees. Trade Gomez to the Orioles, Buck can shape him up. Maybe you could get Paredes. If you paid most of Gomez’s salary. Why is Baltimore always broke?

    Reply
    • toddcoffeytime

      10 years ago

      Bad attitude?

      Reply
    • Chris Koch

      10 years ago

      Brian McCann is that you?

      Reply
    • A-A-RON22

      10 years ago

      You must not watch many Brewers games, Gomez is not classless, he plays at 100%, cant blame a player for being passionate about his game, big difference. Nyjer Morgan, while he was fun in 2011, was classless at times beyond belief.

      Reply
    • douglasb

      10 years ago

      he’s a good guy who plays hard. sorry that bothers you.

      Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      DM…Paredes is a journeymen, what you want from the Orioles is their young pitchers.

      Reply
  16. Gautham Pawnday

    10 years ago

    What would be a realistic trade scenario for Gomez? A top 30, a top 75, and a top 100 prospect?

    Reply
    • douglasb

      10 years ago

      all 3? yes.
      if just one, it better be top 10. this is a guy coming off MVP finishes of 9th and 16th who is getting a reasonable salary for the next 1.5 seasons.

      Reply
      • njmass

        10 years ago

        16the place mvp finish? Break out the confetti

        Reply
        • douglasb

          10 years ago

          yeah, sorry if his 13.3 WAR over the past 2 years isn’t good enough for you. Nobody said he’s Mike Trout. But at $8M per year he’s a heck of a player and a great value.

          Reply
        • douglasb

          10 years ago

          Here are all the players in the National League who finished in the top 9 in 2013 and top 16 in 2014:
          Clayton Kershaw
          Andrew McCutchen
          Carlos Gomez
          (that’s all folks)
          of course he’s not as good as Kershaw and McCutchen. But how many players are? Only a handful. And none of them are available in a trade right now.

          Reply
  17. ezrider

    10 years ago

    Yes. The Mets could use his dynamic offensive talents in the OF. If we could find a way to move Cuddyer or Granderson it’d be better but at this point i’d just platoon them and play Gomez in RF with Lagares in CF.

    With the snails pace that news is coming out about Wright i have a great fear that his days are numbered.

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Ez…I think we’ve talked on the Mets threads. Gomez will not come cheap, at least 2 high end prospects.

      Reply
      • Cheese Sandwich

        10 years ago

        Kevin Plawecki (C), Rafael Montero (RHP), Wuilmer Becerra (OF), and Casey Meisner (RHP)? Two close prospects, plus two that are farther away.

        Reply
      • ezrider

        10 years ago

        We probably have and i’d do it. If i can keep Harvey, Thor, deGrom, Matz, Conforto and Rosario in place then i’m all good. If i have to part with
        Two top flight prospects
        Montero
        Herrera or Nimmo
        another pitching prospect
        Ynoa/Fulmer/Bowman/Morrris
        I’d do that. Then i try and convince Cuddyer to move to third until Wright comes back. Lagares in CF, Gomez in RF and Grandy in LF.
        1. Gomez
        2. Murphy
        3. Duda
        4. Flores
        5. Granderson
        6. Cuddyer
        7. Lagares
        8. Plawecki
        Until TdA gets back and we get word on Wright.

        Reply
      • ezrider

        10 years ago

        Though i think
        1. Ben Zobrist and
        2. Gerrardo Parra
        are more reasonable targets that will cost us less in prospects. Them both being FA at the season end may be a hurdle for SA to get past.

        Reply
  18. douglasb

    10 years ago

    and Lucroy. and Segura.

    Reply
  19. gorav114

    10 years ago

    I bet majority of the no votes are Brewers fans. It seems the haul he would net is to big not to trade him. I think no way u trade Lucroy, he would bring a hefty return but imo a solid catcher is the hardest thing to find. Look around the league at how many teams have starting catchers batting under .200 and have backups who hit worse than pitchers. Guys like Wieters who is recovering from TJ and hasn’t played in a year is expected to get a huge contract as a free agent after the season.

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Go…Lucroy, when healthy is the 2nd best catcher in baseball behind Molina.

      Reply
      • gorav114

        10 years ago

        exactly, that’s my point, I think it would be stupid to trade Lucroy because you cannot replace a franchise catcher but you can an outfielder.

        Reply
        • douglasb

          10 years ago

          yeah… it will be great to have a good catcher while we lose 80-90 games every year because we didn’t rebuild and just did a Herb Kohl style retool. hooray.

          Reply
    • daveineg

      10 years ago

      Lucroy is going nowhere. There’s a huge difference between this franchise and say Houston or the Cubs that completely tore down their major league roster. Brewers probably get the highest percentage of revenue from gate receipts as any franchise in baseball. They cannot afford attendance to drop off.

      Reply
      • gorav114

        10 years ago

        That’s my point, I think it would be stupid to trade Lucroy because you cannot replace a franchise catcher but you can an outfielder

        Reply
      • douglasb

        10 years ago

        then this will fail. when did Herb Kohl buy the Brewers?

        Reply
  20. douglasb

    10 years ago

    to the Twins along with Braun for Buxton and Sano.

    Reply
    • Brewblaz

      10 years ago

      Douglas…the Twins are not stupid, & Ryan is basically immovable.

      Reply
      • douglasb

        10 years ago

        don’t dismiss me too quickly. Twins LF this season have a .612 OPS and Twins CF this season have a .591 OPS. That’s horrible. Both players would be huge upgrades.

        Braun is scum, but he’s playing fairly well. And I don’t think his contract is that bad if he can be a .290-25-100 player.

        Sure, you might only get 1 of their best outfield prospects. But the Twins would need to include several decent pieces then. A half-season of Gomez and Braun would be a 4-5 win upgrade at a cost of only $11,000,000 this season. That’s cheap!

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        • Brewblaz

          10 years ago

          Douglas…good points, Ryan has 3 issues, his contract,his image,and decreasing production.
          The Twins do look like they may be legit contenders, & do need a little more offense, and Gomez would make some sense, particularly considering his background with the Twins.
          The Brewers might get 1 high end prospect, but not both.
          As of 2 yrs ago Buxton & Sano were considered the best 2 prospects in baseball. Actually the Twins might be somewhat of a pattern for the Brewers to follow with their excellent farm system.

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          • douglasb

            10 years ago

            Some sense? They are getting .591 OPS from centerfield.

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            • Brewblaz

              10 years ago

              Doug…I know where you’re coming from, it is tough to give up quality players in the mold of Gomez, but in my humble opinion this is the time to really rebuild the farm system, painful as it may be. Our division is very strong right now anyway, so we’re probably not going to contend for awhile anyway. We need to collect young prospects, and unfortunately slowly rebuild.

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              • douglasb

                10 years ago

                I would love to see them trade Braun, Gomez, Lucroy, and Segura. I’m the biggest fan of a fire sale there is. Clear it out. Just get good deals. I don’t care if they go 0-162 next year. What’s the difference between that and going 62-100? Last place is last place.

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                • Sage

                  10 years ago

                  Glad to see there’s someone around here who gets it. Doesn’t make sense to hold on to guys who would net us a good return if we’re doing this all the way. We saw what Kohl did to the Bucks. People say we can’t afford the attendance loss of trading guys like Lucroy, but frankly, what we really can’t afford is to make the mistakes the Bucks did by trying to be perpetually mediocre. Tear it down to the ground.

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                  • Brewblaz

                    10 years ago

                    Sage…the Bucks & Brewers are 2 different animals. Don’t let the mistakes of one franchise in one sport affect your thinking of another team in another sport

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                • Brewblaz

                  10 years ago

                  Doug…I basically agree with you, the only players I have slight issues with are Lucroy,Segura & Jimmy Nelson. Lucroy is so good a catcher, his mere presence will help young pitchers; and there aresurely going to be many. Segura seems on his way to developing into an outstanding young player & why move Nelson.
                  Basically I agree with you though, this is the time to get serious about the rebuild.

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                  • douglasb

                    10 years ago

                    yeah… no reason at all to move Nelson.
                    Segura I’d move because Milwaukee has several good young shortstops coming through the system.

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                    • oh Hal

                      10 years ago

                      Sure you move Nelson. Why would you keep him? Since its expected to be a 5 year rebuild, you look to see if there’s interest in guys like Arcia as well. The AA team should net some nice prospects.

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                      • douglasb

                        10 years ago

                        Nelson is a free agent in the year 2021. Arcia IS a nice prospect. What kind of rebuilding team trades away it’s prospects?

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                        • oh Hal

                          10 years ago

                          Why would you keep Nelson when the best you can get out of him is maybe a season? Rebuild instead.

                          Arcia is ready now really. What are you going to do, leave him in AAA for 3 or 4 years? Trade him for prospects that will be around during the competitive years.

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                          • douglasb

                            10 years ago

                            “Arcia is ready now really. What are you going to do, leave him in AAA for 3 or 4 years?”
                            ———————
                            Do you not see just a few posts above where I said “Segura I’d move because Milwaukee has several good young shortstops coming through the system”? Who do you think I was talking about?

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                            • oh Hal

                              10 years ago

                              Sure, i’ve read all your posts. I don’t see what trading Segura has to do with trading Arcia. You want to do the complete rebuild. Using a valuable trade chip in seasons when the team is tanking doesn’t make sense.

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                              • douglasb

                                10 years ago

                                Rebuilding teams don’t trade players in AA. What do you want them to do… trade for 16 year olds?

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                          • douglasb

                            10 years ago

                            “Why would you keep Nelson when the best you can get out of him is maybe a season? ”
                            ——————
                            I don’t think you understand how baseball works. I just told you… Nelson is under team control for the next 5.5 seasons. 5.5 is > 1.

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                            • oh Hal

                              10 years ago

                              So don’t trade him for valuable prospects because you want to keep him during the years they’re tanking? He’s likely only going to be around for one season while they’re competitive. C’mon, you’re talking like Herb Kohl.

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    • I WILL FINE HIM

      10 years ago

      I don’t see that happening. Buxton and Sano are top 5 prospects in all of baseball. Brewers would be lucky to get one of them.

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  21. DM

    10 years ago

    Playing hard is fine, acting like a spoiled little kid when things don’t go your way is a different story. He won’t be traded because they won’t be able to get much in return. Wait and see. GMs can watch his antics and decide what to give up.

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      GMs will all wonder what you’re talking about.

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    • douglasb

      10 years ago

      he’s worth more in a trade than Jason Heyward and the Braves did alright on that deal.

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  22. NickyNoodles

    10 years ago

    The Mets would be the perfect trade candidates for Milwaukee, if they were looking to unload bot Braun and Gomez. They desperately need bats and have plenty of young pitching to put together a package. Two OFs would crowd the Mets’ OF but it wouldn’t if they involved Juan Lagares in the trade, who is a GG CFer. Couple him w/ some of their younger pitching prospects and it’d be win/win for both teams.

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  23. BrendanBrewFan

    10 years ago

    Maybe this suggestion will be met with a bit of cynicism, but if I was the Brewers GM, if I were going to trade Gomez, I would basically force the acquiring team to take a salary dump as well, AKA Garza. It may reduce the returns you get, but you never know when a deep pocket team thinks that Gomez is the answer to their search for a pennant. I think Garza is owed somewhere around $30-$35 million, and Gomez is owed something like $10-$11 million over the life of their contracts at the trade deadline. It is a lot of money, even for a big market team, but with the recent history of Gomez’s WAR, a season and a half of Gomez might be worth both salaries when looking at how much money acquiring WAR is on the free agent market. And the acquiring team can get draft pick compensation for Gomez if he doesn’t sign a long term deal, and that has value as well. So it might not be something to completely scoff at.

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  24. willi

    10 years ago

    Gomez is really good defensibly, but power numbers are more of a product of Brewers Stadium. Good 260/270 hitter with defense.

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    • douglasb

      10 years ago

      He’s a +4 WAR player no matter how you want to slice it. And that pays in any stadium. At $8-$9M per season his contract is a great buy. He’s an excellent trade chip.

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      Did you imagine that Miller Park is small? There are lots of other stats you can look at to see that you’re completely wrong.

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  25. Russelmysanchez

    10 years ago

    Dalton Pompey, Reid-Foley and Max Pentacost to brewers, Gomez and K-rod to Jays

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      I know they’d like Pentacost, not sure about the other two. They’ve worked together before.

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