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MLBTR Mailbag: Richard, Mets, Giants, Nova

By Steve Adams | September 13, 2016 at 12:12pm CDT

As more and more teams fall out of contention, the subject matter of the questions in our inbox (mlbtrmailbag@gmail.com) increasingly turns toward the offseason — specifically free agency. That was eminently true this week, thus prompting the free-agency-themed edition of the Mailbag that follows…

(As a quick aside, remember that if we didn’t get to your question, you’re encouraged to join one of three weekly chats — Tuesdays at 2pm CST with myself, Wednesdays at 6:30pm CST with Jason Martinez and Thursdays at 2pm CST with Jeff Todd — to ask questions in a lengthier forum.)

Is Clayton Richard this year’s Rich Hill, and how much do you think it would cost the Padres to bring him back? — Adam

Richard may be the most comparable case to that of Hill’s 2015 September renaissance, but Richard hasn’t been as dominant as Hill was in Boston. While Richard’s 1.15 ERA is eye-catching, he’s averaged 7.5 strikeouts and 3.5 walks per nine innings with San Diego, whereas Hill averaged 11.2 K/9 and just 1.2 BB/9 in last year’s run. The nature of Hill’s dominance made it more believable that he could repeat his performance and led to widespread interest on the free agent market. He was dominating hitters, whereas Richard has relied more heavily upon getting favorable results on balls in play. The latter isn’t as sustainable as the former.

All of that said, Richard has been impressive in his return to San Diego. His 67.7 percent ground-ball rate, in particular, will pique the interest of pitching-hungry clubs, and his age gives him a significant one-up on Hill when juxtaposing Richard’s 2016 with Hill’s 2015 campaign. Hill broke out while on the brink of his age-36 season, whereas Richard turned 33 yesterday. (Happy birthday, Clayton!) Given the dearth of starting options, I think it’s possible that a team is willing to sign Richard for something in the vicinity of the Hill contract (one year, $6MM). That certainly has to be the benchmark that Richard and his reps at ISE baseball are aiming to match (and, more likely, to surpass). For what it’s worth, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes took the under on $6MM for Richard when we chatted about it earlier today.

As a Mets fan, I’d like to know if you think the Mets will re-sign the trio of Neil Walker, Yoenis Cespedes and James Loney. I think Loney is a better option at first base than keeping Duda. — Lou

I strongly disagree that Loney is a better option at first base than Duda. Loney has been one of the least productive first basemen in the Majors since taking over for Duda, having turned in the fifth-lowest slugging percentage (.381) and seventh-worst OBP (.304) among the 37 first basemen with at least 300 plate appearances this season. He’s been about 15 percent worse than a league-average hitter, per metrics like OPS+ and wRC+, whereas Duda was 35 percent better than the league-average bat from 2014-15. There’s no comparison between a healthy Duda and Loney, and even half a season of Duda figures to yield more productivity than Loney. The Mets could re-sign Loney to a minor league deal as a safety net due to uncertainty surrounding Duda’s back, but I wouldn’t offer any more than that. And as far as tendering Duda a contract, giving him a bump to $7-8MM in arbitration is still a reasonable risk to take given his 2014-15 numbers.

Between Walker and Cespedes, they’re more likely to be able to work something out with Walker’s camp. Cespedes is the premier free agent on this winter’s open market, and I don’t envision him having the difficulty he had on last winter’s market. He won’t have Justin Upton, Jason Heyward and Alex Gordon to compete with this season and is clearly a cut above the next-best corner options, which include Michael Saunders, a much older Jose Bautista, a struggling Josh Reddick and possibly Mark Trumbo (though Trumbo is clearly better suited for first base than the outfield). Cespedes has an easy case for $125MM+ this winter and could end up in the $140-150MM range depending on whether he pursues another opt-out provision. That’s probably too steep for the Mets, given their recent free-agent pursuits.

Walker, meanwhile, looked ticketed to top Chase Headley’s four-year, $52MM deal before news of his back surgery broke. If four years are still on the table, I’d peg him to come in below Headley in light of that surgical procedure, and he might even be looking at three guaranteed years now as a result of the injury. There’s risk due to his back, but that’s a palatable price point considering Walker’s capabilities.

What are the best options for the Giants in free agency? Seeking a big time relief option or a power bat in the outfield? — D. Randa

I’d imagine that the Giants will be in on big-name relief upgrades, including Aroldis Chapman, Kenley Jansen and Mark Melancon, though the asking price on each of those names is going to be sizable (especially the first two). While I see the merit of targeting a left fielder, third base looks like a larger priority for San Francisco. Eduardo Nunez can serve the Giants well as a utility player, but his disappointing performance in San Francisco has left his 2016 numbers looking virtually identical to his 2015 production. I wouldn’t bet on him outperforming those levels in 2017 when he hasn’t demonstrated a prolonged capability to do so at the age of 29.

Justin Turner would be a significant boost to the Giants, and Martin Prado would make a nice fit as well. While Prado offers the same high-contact/low-power profile as Nunez, he has a history of striking out even less, walking more and playing better defense than Nunez. Turner will be 32 next season and Prado will be 33, so there are some age-related concerns, admittedly.

If a left fielder is determined to be the priority, the Giants have both the funds and the need to make an earnest pursuit of Cespedes as well, though they’ll obviously face ample competition on that front. And, there will be more corner outfield options on the trade market than there will be legitimate third base upgrades.

Is Nova about to get “Happed?”  Could he get something like 3/24 this winter given the weak market, or will his career-long inconsistencies limit his earning potential? — Michael G.

Three years and $24MM feels light at this point. That’s just tacking one additional year onto what Mike Pelfrey got coming off a disastrous three-year run with the Twins. Phil Hughes got that exact contract with Minnesota three offseasons ago coming off a clunker of a season in his own right. Neither of those pitchers were a part of a market as thin as the 2016-17 market, either.

Nova will pitch next season at age 30, so he has relative youth on his side, and he’s been outstanding ever since the move to Pittsburgh. Some teams will probably view his breakout as a bit more questionable than the J.A. Happ breakout referenced in the your question because it’s due largely to Madduxian control — Nova has walked just two of the 177 batters he’s faced as a Pirate — as opposed to Happ’s sudden uptick in strikeouts. But, the comparison is apt, as MLBTR’s Charlie Wilmoth recently examined at length, and I still believe that he can top $30MM on a three-year pact. Furthermore, I’m not fully closing myself off to the possibility of a fourth season. He’s more than three years younger than Happ was when he hit free agency, after all. Reaching four years would mean a concession in terms of average annual value, but the possibility isn’t outlandish.

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  1. RShockey

    9 years ago

    Pirates need to sign him
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  2. padam

    9 years ago

    Even 3 years with Walker is a high risk (unless there’s a team buyout option after the first year). I think he’s looking at a 1 year deal next year to show his back is healthy over a full season…with incentives.

    Getting insurance on a contract that’s more than 1 year with that surgery is costly.

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    • tylerall5

      9 years ago

      I see more of a two year deal with a team option for a third. He may not even be ready for next season

      Reply
  3. BlueSkyLA

    9 years ago

    Interesting how the Giants’ and the Dodgers’ offseason needs will be so similar (3B and closing). Will either of Turner or Jansen go north? One would be awful, two should be unthinkable…

    Reply
    • sorayablue

      9 years ago

      God forbid!!!

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    • dstuart

      9 years ago

      We’d gladly take Jansen. While I like Turner, I think she will play a factor in the Giants straying away

      Reply
      • dstuart

        9 years ago

        Age*

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  4. pustule bosey

    9 years ago

    I would love to see Jansen in SF – as far as 3b though I would think that they wouldn’t be interested in paying big for an infielder until at least after fall/winterball and spring happens since you have options in the system with Arroyo and others and the infield will prioritize defense>offense in general whereas span has been ineffective, pence is coming back from injury, williamson and parker are green and may or may not be the future and blanco will be gone, leaving more questions and less offense in the OF.

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  5. kent814

    9 years ago

    Richard and Hill are different because while Hill used to be a young stud who got derailed by injuries, Richard has been an innings eater without upside his whole career

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    • cubsfan2489

      9 years ago

      Having watched Hill in his first seasons with the Cubs, let me tell ya, he was no stud. He had good stuff, but horrible control. Wouldn’t exactly say he was derailed by injuries. But good for him for figuring it all out at this point in his career. I’d say if anything, he’s been derailed lately.

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      • kent814

        9 years ago

        But what i meant was he was a prospect when richard wasnt ever a real prospect

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  6. GOLSF

    9 years ago

    I believe it is highly unlikely the Mets re-sign Neil Walker. The Mets have now experienced multiple players with disk herniation issues (David Wright, Bobby Parnell, long ago Edgardo Alfonso). Alderson will take a pass on signing Walker when he has cheaper options in Wilmer Flores, Gavin Chechinni, and also Jose Reyes who could easily transition if they found a suitable 3B. Walker has been great for the Mets (when healthy) but does not offer enough to merit a long term contract.

    Would love to see Cespedes back, but it won’t happen unless Mets structure his contract to add more years + dollars. I believe he is worth the risk for a long term deal. He is a great fit in NY!

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  7. staypuft

    9 years ago

    I don’t understand people’s preference to Loney over Duda. Loney hits for a higher average and strikes out less, but makes a lot of soft contact and hits into more double plays. His defense is pretty awkward too, so he doesn’t have much of an advantage there. It’s like some fans still think batting average is the one and only tool to evaluate MLB hitters by.

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  8. YourDaddy

    9 years ago

    In 2016, Richard as a starter has a 0.90 ERA, 6.9 K/9, 3 BB/9, and a .299 BABIP. His overall numbers are skewed by his use as a Loogy, 27 relief appearances with just 15.1 IP, something he has never been good at. What he does best as evidenced by his success as a starter, is eat innings. When you throw out the 2013 season where he was injured in the 1st game of the season, but continued to pitch for another 10 starts, as a Padre he has a 3.84 ERA with a .304 BABIP. He is that 3rd or 4th starter every team needs. Because of the dearth of starting pitching in this offseason’s FA market, he is going to get a 1-2 year deal for about $6-8 million. I hope Preller is smart enough to bring him back as a veteran bridge to the good young starters we have further down the farm system.

    Rich Hill is guy with great skills, but no chance at pitching a full year. In 2007 he had 32 starts with 195 IP, his only full season in 12 years in the majors. Other than that season he has been either a Loogy, like 2013 when he has 63 relief appearances but just 38 IP, or injured most of the year like, well, every other season including 2016. He is going to get the big money, 3 years for $45-50 million, and not earn it.

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    • anoff

      9 years ago

      I finally got a question answered in the mailbag 🙂

      I think it comes down to floor vs ceiling…Hill, with the K’s, has a sky high ceiling, but has basically no floor because of the injuries. He’s either pitching well, or he’s hurt, it’s binary. Richard does a great job soaking innings, and between his new delivery, slight uptick in velo and little different pitch mix, seems to have become a slightly more effective version of his previous self. He of course comes with his own injury concerns, though he had one big injury, as opposed to Hill’s string of everything breaking (or blistering). For the most part, I think Richard’s peripheries are reasonable to stay about the same, though his run prevention is probably not sustainable, nor is his borderline absurd GB%. Still, 150-180 IP of 3.50 ball isn’t nothing.

      I’m hoping for a 1+1 option deal, maybe for for $6 and $8mil? It’s a small overpay, but there’s no such thing as a bad one year contract, and it’s not like there is a bunch of huge contracts clogging the Padres payroll next year (though, there is a bunch of dead money). Granted the Dodgers never pay anything less than twice retail for anything, but the deal for Hill and Reddick has me excited about the thoughts of what a Richard/Jay (assuming he re-ups) could bring on the trade market next year (obviously it won’t be as strong a package, but even 2/3 of that deal would be a huge haul for the investment.

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  9. slider32

    9 years ago

    Mets sign Loney and Flores split time until Smith is ready. Duda is gone! Signing Cespedes is a must, he is a star player who can play in New York and can carry the team.

    Reply
  10. metsoptimist

    9 years ago

    Lucas Duda will forever be denigrated by some Mets fans– and I’m obviously not saying that Lou is among them– for having the audacity to– gasp!– be human during the World Series.

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