If a trade partner is to be found for lefty Jose Quintana, the White Sox hope to complete the deal prior to the start of Spring Training, Buster Olney of ESPN.com notes as part of his column today (Insider link). That’s not particularly surprising, perhaps, as most pre-season swaps are wrapped up when camp opens. What’s interesting, though, is that Olney seemingly hints that the club is motivated to get a deal done now, though he does note that the organization ought to have no trouble finding a suitor at the trade deadline.
- The Blue Jays aren’t particularly inclined to bring back veteran free agent Jose Bautista, Olney further suggests. We have heard reports of late that there is at least some chatter between the sides, and also that Bautista is amenable to taking a one-year deal (albeit at a fairly lofty salary). But we’ve seen other indications that Toronto is looking at other angles — see here, for instance — and Olney’s note adds to that side of the reporting.
- The Yankees remain engaged on Quintana and other pitchers even as the organization says it is content with its pitching mix, MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch reports. “We benefited from [the high prospect costs to swing a trade] at the Trade Deadline, but now, obviously, on the acquisition side of it, it’s very costly to do business as well,” says GM Brian Cashman. “We’ll continue to evaluate it and stay engaged, but we’re prepared to go to Spring Training with the team we have currently if need be.”
- Free-agent righty Jason Hammel has drawn at least some interest from the Yankees, Hoch adds. He’d surely welcome that pursuit given the somewhat surprising lack of action in his market after a solid 2016 season. As things stand, New York will presumably round out its rotation through some kind of camp battle. Pitchers such as Chad Green, Bryan Mitchell, Adam Warren, Luis Severino, and Luis Cessa could factor in the competition; Jason Martinez of MLBTR and Roster Resource currently projects Green and Mitchell to take rotation jobs.
- While the Reds just announced a deal with righty Drew Storen, they are still in the market for relievers, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Also seeking pen arms are the Brewers and Athletics, per the report. MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon adds that Cincinnati is additionally looking at the market for a veteran starter as well as some catching depth, so there may yet be some more additions on the horizon.
- The Marlins are still eyeing bench pieces as they look to finish off an active winter. MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro looks at a few possibilities for the club, most of whom would represent right-handed-hitting complements for first baseman Justin Bour. (While the Fish say they’re inclined to let him face more lefties, his minimal experience against them has not gone well.) It’s not specifically apparent just who Miami is actually interested in pursuing, but Frisaro does note that Jeff Francoeur — who spent time with the organization late in 2016 — would be amenable to trying out first base.
kindness
No way the ChiSox are motivated to get a deal done for Q by Spring Training after indicating they would wait if their price wasn’t met.
pinballwizard1969
That certainly is an option. But there is always a risk of something happening like a injury during the season.
csamson11
Okay and that’s what it essentially says…? If they don’t get the deal they want by ST, then they’ll keep him for another year.
Aaron Sapoznik
There is still 6 weeks left until spring training so still plenty of time to reach a deal that that would satisfy the White Sox front office. The White Sox own beat writer in response to fans questions on their official MLB website opined that the odds were 50-50 of a deal for “Q” getting done by spring training:
Do you expect Jose Quintana to be traded before the start of the season? I’ll hang up and listen.
The answer I’ve received from a couple of people who seem to be in the know stands as 50-50 before the start of Spring Training. How’s that for me being non-committal? The asking price is high and with Quintana’s ability, tremendous temperament and team-friendly contract, those demands shouldn’t budge.
Aaron Sapoznik
Note: Jose Quintana, along with other reported offseason trade candidates that include Jose Abreu, Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera, have all been officially announced as current team members who have agreed to participate in the annual SoxFest 2017 will be held at the Hilton Chicago on Friday, January 27, through Sunday, January 29, 2017. David Robertson, another player prominently mentioned in trade talks, is not currently listed as a participant.
None of this should be a prime factor in motivating a trade before spring training but it certainly might have an impact with the players regarding fan questions at the event which are certain to center heavily on the team’s rebuild and the likelihood that each of these White Sox won’t be a part of it. Perhaps Rick Hahn will spare the players, fans and the organization some awkward moments by pulling the trigger on a trade or two before then.
tylerall5
Fan fest participants on a rebuilding team is a non-factor. Todd Frazier is on there and he’s more likely than note going to be traded.
comebacktrail28
Maybe they’ll sign Kenny Lofton again
davidcoonce74
I love that Francouer is still considered a useful major league player.
lesterdnightfly
I love it too.
Frenchy has always gotten rave reviews for his OF defense.
Not so good at catcher, but not everyone can not be Peter O’Brien.
jdubs346
Shapiro quite clearly does not care about the fans and is simply working for Rogers, possibly another reason for AA’s messy departure…
patborders92
I just don’t get what the plan is. If they want to rebuild just do it. Right now, all they’ve done is taken talent away from the major league roster and replaced them with one dimensional marginal players. The last thing the Jays need is another sub 500 team.
infieldflyrule
Amen. Not all of AA’s moves worked but at least he was trying. I’d rather see action then inaction. Shapiro/Atkins are waiting for the dust to settle so they can pick up the crap left on the floor to fill the roster. Next thing we’ll hear is all these PTOs soon. Geez
Kirby34
I actually think NOT signing Bautista to a long-term deal is in the fans’ interest for fielding a competitive team in the long run. An aging veteran in his late 30s, already showing the risks of decline fueled even further by injury. It’s incredible that Bautista is trying to assert the line that he’d be willing to take one year in TOR only if it’s at more than the QO. You rejected the QO. If I’m the Blue Jays, I might be willing to offer the typical incentive-laden deal for $10m and laugh at the idea of $20m. Wish him good luck, he’s going to decline a lot in the next 2 years. Those resources would be much more beneficial if spread across the diamond.
Aaron Sapoznik
To read the ESPN article you need to be an Insider, which I am. It’s part of a larger article but here’s the “Q” reference in it’s entirety:
“The Chicago White Sox could wait until after the start of spring training or even into next season to trade Jose Quintana, the best available starting pitcher. But evaluators with knowledge of the Quintana discussions say the White Sox seem intent on finishing a deal before camps open. The Pittsburgh Pirates could be the frontrunners for the left-hander, whose modest salary through the 2020 season make him perfect for Pittsburgh’s budget.”
Admittedly, not a lot new here, but at least talks seem to be ongoing in regards to “Q”.
infieldflyrule
Can the Jays either cut the cord or bring Jose back? As a Jays fan I’m growing weary of the former Tribe brain trust’s “hurry up and do nothing” policy. By the way I’m a new contributor and have really enjoyed the comments from you educated folks out there in MLBTR land.
Brixton
The thing about Quintana is he is very Cliff Lee-like. He doesn’t really have dominating pitches, or a high 90’s fastball, hes just a guy who locates. Hes not as flashy, and doesn’t really have a huge fallback plan if his command dips, I think thats why some people don’t view him as a major pitcher, but based off of bottom line results and contract situation, he is every bit as valuable as Sale was.
markinmi
Kinda like Greg Maddux…. Turned out okay for him. Control pitchers tend to age better than power pitchers from a longevity standpoint. A pitcher loses his 90’s fastball long before his control in most cases.
moocow
Quintanna isn’t Greg Maddux is the problem. Maddux pitched to ERA’s in the high 1.xx’s and low 2.xx’s during his prime and was arguably the best control pitcher in MLB history. So yeah, while Quintanna can have a long successful career because he doesn’t need to rely on throwing high heat, he’s also not near Maddux level to even bother mentioning him in the same breath as Maddux. Andy Petitte (no slouch) may be a better comparison.
Aaron Sapoznik
There are many similarities between Cliff Lee and Jose Quintana which you pointed out so well. Lee, like “Q” also did not make his MLB debut with his drafting team. Quintana actually was a member of both the Mets and Yankee organizations before becoming a fixture in the White Sox starting rotation.
There are also quite a few differences in comparing the two pitchers. Lee was a much higher rated prospect than Quintana and more MLB ready when he was dealt to the Indians as part of a huge trade that also included players like Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore and Bartolo Colon. “Q” was eventually signed by the White Sox as a minor league FA after first being released by the Mets and then (twice) by the Yankees.
Quintana and Lee’s first three season as starters were somewhat comparable (“Q” was far more consistent while Lee was outstanding only in his second year) before Lee suffered his first injury in spring training ahead of the 2007 season. Since Quintana became as starter for the White Sox in late May of 2012 he has never missed a start due to injury.
Lee was also dealt three times after signing his contract extension with the Indians in the middle of the 2006 season that kept him out of FA through 2010. “Q” still has 4 years (with options) remaining on his team friendly deal with the White Sox.
nyy42
I would love to see both Quintana
reflect
I wish people would stop referring to the Marlins offseason with words like “active”.
I wonder if people also refer to the Marlins fanbase with words like “large”.
YourDaddy
Buster Olney, King of the obvious, irrelevant, and downright wrong.
vtadave
He’s one of the few guys on ESPN I like. What was “downright wrong”?
Travis’ Wood
Couldn’t agree more. Olney is a narrative driven, click seeking moron who doesn’t care about reporting facts. His bias is so clearly evident that I have no clue how he still has a job. One of the few baseball reporters that I absolutely hate.
Kolukonu
Hammel makes too much sense for the Yankees to not give him a flyer. With all of the injury-prone starters we have (our only 3 guaranteed starters of Tanaka, Pineda and CC have all missed plenty of time due to injury), they could certainly use a solid starter as their #4. Then let the remaining guys fight it out for #5 and be depth options, because you know an injury is going to happen.
Yankees21
I agree completely, Hammel is a quality pitcher that provides steady innings in the back of the rotation. The Yankees rotation could blow up quickly if one or two starters get hurt, and as you noted the top three have all missed in time in recent years due to injury. I read somewhere that those three provided over 60% of the Yankee rotation innings last year, because they were all relatively healthy. It’s risky to assume that the three of them are going to do that again in 2017,
Then again, this could be a great year to just figure out what these guys are without a lot of stress, because nobody expects the Yankees to be a serious post-season contender in 2017 (including myself). For those last two rotation spots, start the season with whoever has the best spring from the young group and see what happens. As soon as one falters, send him down and call up whoever is pitching the best in SWB. It’s 2017, why not.
moocow
Hammel would make perfect sense for the Yankees if he is interested in a one year big(ish) dollar deal. A one year deal (even for big dollars) wouldn’t hurt what appears to be the most important thing for Hal and Cashman (resetting the tax). If Hammel pitches real well then they have a leg up on either trying to extend him or resigning him…or trading him at the deadline like they did with Chapman (wink wink) for more prospects. If not, then it’s a gamble that costs nothing but money and you move on (and still focus on trying to strike gold in 2018 free agency with a reset tax threshold).. I would not empty the farm for Quintanna.
PLAYTOWIN
Hammel is a borderline head case. Getting frustrated in NY is not a recipe for success.
moocow
From what I’ve read Hammel is considered a good lockerroom guy so what are some examples of him being a headcase?
Also Aroldis Chapman also was supposed to be a powder keg guaranteed to explode in NY according to many people and he handled things fine. No, Hammel obviously isn’t Chapman level talent wise but head cases don’t necessarily always end up poorly in NY.
But the point is there is no harm I seeing if Hammel who is one of the best free agent starters on the market a one year try. He has talent and would be free. He is arguably the best option remaining among free agent starting pitchers and as such, would make perfect sense for the Yankees who do not appear interested in trading their prospects.
So unless they can find a better starting pitcher for someone like Gardner, not seeing what better options there are.
slider32
Hahn and Cashman know by now what the price is for Quintana, the Yanks have some extra pieces that would be good to get a deal done. I think Hahn now is looking for position players for Quintana.. Experts seem to think a deal could get done if the right package is put together. I still think that a package like Mateo, Judge, and Andujar would get it done!
MB923
That’s not enough for Quintana
DontPush
It starts with Torres or it ends without Torres.
Ken M.
No way the #1 prospect in MLB gets traded.
twitter.com/bronxnyyankees/status/8167405944752906…
seamaholic 2
Already happened earlier this year! And Torres isn’t anywhere close to #1 on most lists.
slider32
Quintana is not Sale!
Priggs89
Hahaha. At least that’s not a biased source.
Ry.the.Stunner
Quintana will bring back as good of a haul as Sale, if not slightly less. He’s arguably just as valuable.
moocow
Yeah, if you actually read the source of that twitter statement (the Yankees own Yes Network) it actually doesn’t say that the consensus is that Torres is the no.1 prospect in baseball.
web.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20170104…
Specifically the following section:
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“Now, according to a recent MLBPipeline.com poll of major league general managers and scouting directors, Torres has garnered even more recognition as a potential contender for the title of “best overall prospect” entering the 2017 season.
The poll posed just two questions to “those in the know” around the major leagues: “Who do you think is the No. 1 prospect heading into 2017?” And, “Who do you think is the top pitching prospect heading into 2017?”
Obviously, Torres fell into the former category, and though he may not have been the consensus top pick (that honor belonged to Boston’s Andrew Benintendi, who received 10 votes), two of the 20 participants tabbed Gleyber as the best prospect in baseball.”
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So based on the actual article that the tweet you are referencing is referring to, 2 of the 20 participants in the poll of “those in the know” (whomever they are) said they felt Torres is going to be the no.1 prospect in baseball. 10 of the 20 felt it was Andrew Benintendi.(who I’m guessing didn’t get enough AB’s with the major league Red Sox and still qualifies as a prospect?) will be the best prospect in baseball for 2017.
The actual poll results as follows: Benintendi got 10 of the 20 votes cast for top overall prospect, with the White Sox’s Yoan Moncada (5), the Braves’ Dansby Swanson (3) and the Yankees’ Gleyber Torres (2) receiving the rest.
FYI…Yoan Moncada (formerly of the Red Sox, now of the White Sox) is still considered the no.1 prospect in all of baseball by both MLB.com and Baseball America as of their current/latest rankings.
MB923
You all are wasting your time with him. He’s a troll pretending to be a Yankee fan to make us all look bad.
vtadave
Yeah, all three of Mateo, Judge, and Andujar have significant questions.
Mateo regressed last year, Judge struck out in half of his at-bats, and Andujar doesn’t appear to be anything special. Deal has to start with at least one of Frazier or Torres, and then if BOTH aren’t included, I’d have to think 3-4 more prospects would be going the Sox’s way.
slider32
Sickles rates all as B+ prospects this year, which means they have a pretty good chance of being good major league players. I don’t see anyone giving them better, that’s two prospects in the top 30 and one in the top 100.
chesteraarthur
Judge is still rated as a B+ prospect? If the yankees can find an MLB front office that actually thinks that, they should jump.
Ken M.
For reference, Sickels gave Moncada A, Kopech A-. Giolito A-, Lopez B+ and Basabe B- for Sale and Eaton. A bunch of B prospects won’t cut it when they got A prospects for Sale and Eaton.
slider32
Quintana isn’t Sale, and nobody is going to give them those prospects for him
therealryan
The rumored deal that the WSox were asking from the Astros was for Martes, Tucker and Musgrove. Sickels ranked Martes and Tucker both B+ and Musgrove was ranked in the same area in BA midseason rankings as the other two, so in essence that is 3 B+ prospects. That would mean a pretty similar Yankees offer would be Mateo, Rutherford and one of Kaprielian/Sheffield/Adams. All 5 players are B+ rated by Sickels and in the BA top 8, with Mateo, Rutherford and Kaprielian in their top 5. The Yankees have a top 3 minor league system and there is no reason they couldn’t put together a very good and acceptable offer that doesn’t include Torres or Frazier.
bronxbombers
Lmao “if both aren’t included”
Priggs89
Mateo and Judge are pretty significantly overrated IMO. Easy pass for me.
MB923
Well too bad you’re not in charge. Though in all likelihood that’s a pass for Hahn too.
socalsoxfan78
Never in a million years.
moocow
With the respective seasons that Mateo and Judge had, I can’t see how that package would be the best the White Sox can get.
bonquisha
Francoeur is roughly 300 rbis away from being a 1000rbi man. Lol god i hope he lasts long enough for that haha
bearup
Care to guess who this pitcher was and whether o r not you would consider him an ace.
“Though his fastball touched 93 mph in his early years, his velocity steadily declined throughout his career, and was never his principal focus as a pitcher. By the end of his career, his fastball averaged less than 86 mph.”
another_jays_fan
I think the only way a guy with 355 career wins could be considered a scrub is because he turns 51 this year lol
Who is Greg Maddux, Alex?
moocow
Yeah that’s Greg Maddux, but, what does Greg Maddux have to do with Jose Quintana? A lot of people seem to be referencing Greg Maddux when trying to argue for Quintana. Jose Quintana may be the best available starting pitcher on the market (by far) and one of the better pitchers in the game, but he’s not anywhere near prime Greg Maddux. The Greg Maddux at the tail end of his career? Sure. Prime Maddux? Not even close.
bearup
Correct. Not saying Q is Maddux, but he ain’t a number 3 just because he is not a power pitcher
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I want Quintana in Pittsburgh, but only if the Pirates can trade Cutch to get the bulk of what goes back to the White Sox for him.
bucsfan
Can’t disagree more. I know Cutch will eventually be traded and it will be the right move. I’d rather hold him for this year and still make the trade for Quintana. Maybe a package of Glasnow, Keller/Hayes, Joe, and Barnes gets it done.
Hope that Cole and Cutch rebound and go whole hog for the pennant this year. Then trade Cutch next offseason. Is there risk? Sure, but I’d rather take a shot and miss than keep treading water and drown slowly.
billysbballz
Funny thing is I wouldn’t deal Mateo Andujar and Judge for Quintana let alone one of Frazier and Torres. So basically no deal. I’m not a huge Quintana fan and I know you can throw out statistics but what gets me is his very low strikeout numbers and fact he already failed a steroid test so who knows with all those innings, dip in velocity, and past steroid use how long he will maintain great number two status?
Let the White Sox steal prospects from a team with a shot to do something this year. Yanks aren’t ready and they need to determine which prospects are keepers.
kerplunk905
The failed steroid test was in 2007, long before he even had a major league debut. I am not excusing it, but putting it in context that it was before his debut and several very very good MLB seasons.
chesteraarthur
That’s not funny, that’s just dumb.
slider32
That’s fine but what do you think a pitcher like Quintana is worth?
moocow
In this market? A whole lot. A whole, whole, whole LOT. That’s why it may not make sense for teams to be trading for him. At the end of the day you really have to be sure that paying up the (you know what) for Quintana really will be a smart move for your team. The Red Sox trading the best prospect in baseball AND their top pitching prospect (who also is among the top prospects in the game) for Sale made sense given where the Red Sox are at. For a lot of other teams that are being mentioned as in the Quintana chase, like the Yankees, I’m not sure that they are in the same category as the Red Sox so trading their top 2 of their top 3-4 prospects (what it likely will cost) may actually not make sense for them. Would appear thus far that Brian Cashman agrees (regardless of what the Yankees are saying publicly about being serious competition for the Red Sox).
Dock_Elvis
Its the years of control that are also adding value. Yankees would have him cheap at 4 years. He should interest almost all teams that realistically feel they can compete over that time…..especially larger market teams that can plug with free agents as well. He’d be great for Pittsburgh…not often does a frontline starter come available with 4 years of reasonable control…no large contract…deal is only talent.
marco 5
i guess the pirates are done with quintana?thats a shame,we could use him
Griffeysox24
Quintana is tied for first with Arrietta in quality starts over the past two seasons with 48.
Dmalsch22
A quality start is at least 6 innings and no more than 3 runs. Means he’s consistent doesn’t mean he’s great
gssbj
If Jays management wants to be bold, trade Estrada for Granderson, sign Moss to platoon, and use the extra cash for a low cost fifth starter and bullpen help. They get the two lefty bats they need, better outfield defence some speed and a lead off hitter. A Moss/Upton platoon would play well, and this would keep Pearce at first.
It obviously puts a lot of reliance on Liriano to come through- and i’d rather trade him than Estrada- but at this point they are going to have to gamble and SP is their only area of depth and strength.
Estrada’s contract is up at the year end, so no long term impact on the team while also keeping the draft pick.
moocow
Granderson, at this point in his career, really doesn’t bring much speed and not sure that he’s a leadoff hitter either. A better option, one that probably makes sense for both sides, would be Brett Gardner. Gardner has more speed, is probably better suited for a leadoff spot and is coming off a Gold Glove season. Either Estrada or Liriano would likely interest the Yankees who actually do need starting pitching.
moocow
Yes, of course what would work against this type of deal is that both the Jays and the Yankees are in the same division and I don’t recall when the last time the 2 teams made a trade was (think it was a long time ago). But Cashman has said that he’s willing to trade with anyone if it makes sense for them.
Dmalsch22
Yankees Red Sox couple years ago at the deadline
Dmalsch22
I like the Estrada for Gardner swap. Makes sense for both teams, both players won’t be huge factors in the division, money for next year is almost the same, addresses needs for both teams and the Yankees continue the rebuild by opening up a spot
hojostache
That actually makes a lot of sense. The Yankees are thin on SP (due to injury concerns and unproven guys). TOR would probably need NYY to kick in some $ going back because I think Gardner is making a pretty hefty amount for the next couple of years.
Gardner is more of a CF than Grandy. While he doesn’t quite have the power, he bats well enough to be a good option for a number of teams….if NYY kicks in $.
hojostache
Estrada is a #5 SP…the Mets are at least 7 deep at SP, all with guys with better numbers. The Mets also have some cheap guys in the minors they could bring up if needed. The Mets are looking to add either a pretty good setup guy or prospects if they move Granderson/Bruce.
Granderson may be old and have a noodle for an arm, but he still hits, plays a more than serviceable outfield (CF being below avg and RF being avg), and he is a great clubhouse guy.
If TOR wants to move a BP piece for Granderson…then that could be an option, but not a fringe #5 guy.
steelerbravenation
Why would the Mets want Estrada ???
moocow
Yeah the one thing the Mets probably don’t need is starting pitching (even if there are some health concerns). Also if the Mets trade Granderson it would mean they would have to entrust light hitting and injury bugged Juan Lagares as the everyday CF. I think there’s a reason why it appears they would prefer to move Jay Bruce (who if I recall was ranked by Fangraphs as one of the worst defensive OF’ers in baseball as recently as mid 2016…probably why they aren’t finding much interest so far despite 30 homers last season).
Priggs89
Congrats on making the dumbest post in this comment section.
Dannydeman
Mets, nats, redsox, cubs, mets, giants
Those figure to be the top rotations going into 2017 right now. If you put Quintana on any of those teams he is a number 3 starter.
Then you have another 9 teams or so that he would slot in at number two.
So basically if you have a top notch World Series contending rotation Quintana is a number 3. If you have a good rotation between say 7-15th in the league then Quintana is a number 2. And if you have a rotation falling between 16-30 then you have a bad rotation period.
therealryan
So you rank Quintana as the 22nd best pitcher in MLB and say he would be a vital part of even the best MLB rotations and a major component of any playoff team. I think most sane fans agree, even if you tend to be underrating his past performance. Combine his pitching skill with his contract and it is very obvious how valuable Quintana truly is.
hojostache
I view Q as an upside #2 (mid-pack) and a floor as a solid #3. His value is off the charts because of his contract years and cost. I hope he stays with CWS because he improves any SP and on certain clubs would make a BIG difference (TEX being the most obvious). PIT would be much more interesting with him, but I think Meadows is more than they’ll give up as the other big prospect.
Dannydeman
Yeah he’s just not an ace
Dmalsch22
Absolutely agree, ace gets thrown around too often and there’s a difference between ace and #1. That’s reserved for the kershaws, prime Pedro, Clemons, felix type pitchers
ripcookies
Felix is not an ace. But you weee atleast on the right track with Pedro and roger
hojostache
Felix has slipped, but he was at that level a year or two earlier. He is marooned in SEA w. limited talent around him. I bet he’d crush it on a real team.
Dock_Elvis
Dont agree on Felix Hernandez now…Ive seen him alot and he’s slipping…lots of pitches on that arm. Seattle had a winning record and hung in the wildcard race late. Thats the info out of Seattle as well. He’s post peak.
Hank Murphy
Only good news in this horrible offseason for the Blue Jays. I didn’t expect them to bring back EE and I didn’t want them to bring back any of the other FA’s they had. I didn’t expect Rogers to go all cheapskate on us and totally write off the 2017 season before it began.
jmn0419
Wish the Marlins would just become a second chance team. Invite a bunch of former top prospects who haven’t lived up to their potential to spring training and try to find a diamond or two in the rough. They have nothing to lose at this point
ripcookies
Lol. Love all these want to be GM’s.
Still wondering if people are aware that there is a difference between someone’s value and the market value for them. No way Quintana is worth more than 2 B+ prospects. Market value right now says he’s “worth more.”
As a yankee fan I don’t give up anyone except Mateo and Judge. And only reason I do that is because Mateo doesn’t have a position except center field in NY and judge will be replaced by Harper or Frazier in a year or two.
I’d find a cheaper stop gap for the year.
hojostache
The problem the Yankees have is that most of their top guys (Mateo, Judge, Severino) all had underwhelming numbers this past season.
Dock_Elvis
I get what you’re saying about wannabe GMs…but yeah…then you go on to play one yourself. Its cool…you made a point about field value and contract value…even though its hard to argue with those consistent season end stats. If im the Sox I take 1 A prospect instead of 2 B depth.
IndianaBob
Just for giggles, Greg Maddux first 5 years ignoring his 1st year with only .4 war, 19.8 war.
Quintana first 5 years, 19.7 war.
Maddux jumped in performance the next year and continued that for a long stretch.
filthyrich
Comparisons to Maddux really surprise me. Not only is it supreme boldness, but to compare a control lefty to THE control righty is hard for me to wrap my head around.
The original Cliff Lee reference and another reference to Andy Pettitte were more accurate. Still very valuable. Cliff Lee had a bit better control but debuted at a bit older age, very good comp. Quintana actually compares stronger than Pettitte in my mind.
Right now, Sale is ridiculous. I’d be bold enough to put him in Randy Johnson territory. Compares with Kershaw pretty well. Above David Price but closer to Kershaw than Price. Bumgarner probably sneaks ahead of Price too.
Quintana is in the next tier conversation easily. Hamels, Lester neighbourhood. A legitimate lefty starter is not an easy find. To get one at an affordable rate is worth selling the farm for.