11:03pm: Gray’s market is still in flux, with Jon Heyman of Fan Rag reporting that the Yankees are balking at the A’s requests for a package centered around Clint Frazier or Gleyber Torres. Even if Oakland checks down to some of the Yanks’ next tier of prospects, such as Estevan Florial, it seems that New York will remain reluctant to pull the trigger on Gray — though the club has seemingly focused on him to this point.
In his own look at the market for Gray, Ken Rosenthal of MLB Network says the Astros and Brewers are “not significantly involved” at present. He notes, too, that the Padres’ interest may be more serious than has previously been thought.
9:33am: Rosenthal now tweets that the Nationals are not, in fact, in on either Gray or Rangers ace Yu Darvish. Rather, the team might simply elect to pursue another reliever to further boost the back of the bullpen.
12:00am: Earlier tonight, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reported that rival clubs believe that most teams have informed the Athletics which centerpieces they’re willing to part with in a potential trade for right-hander with Sonny Gray, adding that the Yankees are believed to be the front-runners. According to Sherman, many expect that the A’s will deal Gray before this Sunday’s scheduled start against the Twins.
Though the Yankees are the perceived front-runner, Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets that both the Nationals and Mariners have some interest in Gray, though the extent of that interest isn’t clear. MLB Network’s Ken Rosenthal writes that the Mariners and A’s haven’t touched base on Gray in about a week, though multiple rivals from around the game believe that ever-active GM Jerry Dipoto will find a way to make a competitive bid despite a thin farm system.
Rosenthal outlines a speculative scenario in which the M’s could pair a big league outfielder with top prospect Kyle Lewis (among other pieces), then pivot to acquire a new corner outfielder in what is currently a buyers’ market for short-term corner bats. (Rosenthal’s column has multiple quotes on Dipoto’s whirlwind style of trading, including one unnamed exec opining: “I don’t think he’s burning [the farm system] to the ground. I think he knows it’s already on fire and is trying to do what he can with the assets he has.” It’s well worth a full look.)
As for the Nats, Rosenthal reports that a deal could hinge on whether the Nats would part with prized prospect Victor Robles in a deal (Twitter links). Some in the Nationals’ organization now value fellow outfield prospect Juan Soto over Robles, though that hardly suggests that Washington has soured on Robles or given up on him in any way.
Sherman suggests that one factor working in favor of the Yankees is that some believe the Astros to be the team most willing to roll the dice on Orioles’ closer Zach Britton, which could take some of their focus off Gray. Sherman notes that the Astros do still have some trepidation about the various red flags surrounding Britton this year (injuries, lack of appearances on consecutive days, etc.). Houston GM Jeff Luhnow again emphasized to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick today, however, that he doesn’t feel obligated to overpay for any addition given the team’s significant lead in the American League West. “We have a pretty good team, and if we can improve it without giving up too much of our future, we will,” said Luhnow.
Davis and Gray for Lewis, Haniger, Neidert, Anthony Jimenez, and Dan Vogelbach.
As an A’s fan no thank you.
I sure hope Billy Beane has that same reply for Jerry.
As an A’s fan you should want that deal all day! The Yankees aren’t trading Clint Frazier or Gleyber Torres so you can forget that. The Mariners would be massively overpaying with that deal above and would not offer anything close to that.
For Davis and gray? You are crazy. Haniger is a cheaper but way lesser version of Davis, vogelbach is another dh type which we have like 4 of those already. Lewis is just coming off an injury and Jimenez is a gamble. I like neidert but that a’a can get a better package elsewhere.
Haniger, Gamel, Neidert, Moore & Lewis for Gray and Davis gets done.
As a Mariner fan, no way.
Take out Davis and Gamel?
Take out Gamel, Davis, and Haniger and maybe…
Then thats not getting done. Seattles farm is so weak, Haniger absolutely has to be in, and Gamel should be too. Maybe take out Moore.
Insane return for Gray
You want to trade 2/3 of your controllable outfield, your top two prospects, and a young controllable pitcher in Moore for 2yrs of Gray? Holy cow…glad you’re not the GM
Did you not read where it said Seattle would trade MLB OFers then trade for more?
No way they will not trade Haniger or Gamel and they won’t get Davis
Ok enjoy missing the playoffs for another 16 years.
So you want the Mariners to destroy their future to make an unlikely run at the one game wildcard? Goodness….
I want the Mariners to acquire Gray as he can help this year but I also like him because he can help the next two season as well, when we are much more likely to be a postseason team. If we trade our controllable pieces, all we are doing is creating another hole and sacrificing longterm assets at the same time.
Truthfully, I wouldn’t trade Lewis for Gray in any deal.
None of our prospects will debut until after Cruz is gone, Cano is 36, Felix 33, Seager 31. So we need to go for it now while we still have a productive core, as Kyle Lewis and Nick Neidert will not be able to lead this team to the playoffs. The Mariners already destroyed their future by signing Cano and keeping Felix. Now we have to try to win with what we have.
You aren’t making sense though. You aren’t suggesting we trade Neidert and Lewis for Gray only. You are suggesting we trade those two plus Haniger (who is a ML starter) and other pieces.
Our window isn’t this year only and, if you think it is, that is exactly why you don’t trade all your future away. Gray helps this year, yes, but he also helps in 2018/2019.
As I’ve said, I don’t have a problem trading Moore or Gonzalez or Neidert in a deal for Gray. However, I’m not trading a guy that I think is a future All Star or a longterm asset at the ML level for him…specifically because Lewis is two years away.
By the way, those that argue about the core by mentioning Cruz/Cano/Felix as if they are the only pieces is narrow. Your core includes the controllable outfielders, Segura, and even Diaz.
Completely agree, Dipoto has done a good job adding young, controllable players and doing his best to extend the window
Should’ve traded King Felix for 5 prospects 3-4 years ago. And they’d be awesome right. Is! Wasted that guys arm
Cano is 34
Homerism is a mental illness JAF…
Gamel is way too good this season to trade away. The M’s could trade Heredia instead but no way that they will trade Gamel during the best season of his career
Gamel has a .421 BABIP, he is not as good as youre making him out to be. Hes an upgrade over Brugman, only reason why the A’s would want him.
Cubs gave you vogelbach because he’s bad lol
Montgomery hasn’t been much better lol
Montgomery has more major league HR’s than Dan Vogelbach does and he’s has pitched better than you have given credit for
He pitched the last out of the World Series ending 108 years of suffering , longest championship drought in major sports and killed the goat curse. Yeah he hasn’t done much .
Oh really? His starts have been mediocre but he’s been solid out of the pen. And he helped win a WS.
You know nothing. Montgomery was on the mound when the Chicago Cubs won the World Series!!! He was one of 3 reliever Maddon trusted at the time. (Chapman, Edwards, Jr.). He been a very good acquisition for the Cubs.
As a Mariners fan. Hell no!
No way Jerry does that, nor should he do that. After just giving away the org’s #2 prospect in O’Neill, you cannot give away Kyle Lewis who has so much upside and promise for Sonny Gray who’s value has been blown out of proportion during this trade season. It’s not worth depleting the farm system for Gray when the farm system is already pretty much depleted. IMO, you cannot give away Hanniger or Lewis for anything right now. They should be going after Giant’s Smardzja or Smaller name guys.
The only problem with that is Smardzja is not willing to be trades so it would be a waste of time talking to the Giants
Upside & promise doesnt get you into the postseason- please never forget the bottom line!
There is 8 teams bidding on Gray. One will fold and give Beane the best deal. To say there is a front runner is misleading because if the yanks wanted to they could outbid the other teams. The Yanks are playing it tough on what they are offering.
Arc who do you think in the end gets Gray honestly, it’s so hard to pick someone cuz you just don’t know how this will go it’s crazy man.
I think the Yankees will they will give in and throw in ONE of the “untouchables”
Who are the untouchables?
It already says the Yanks have the best package on the table. Why would they bid against themselves and add a top 50 prospect?
Gleyber Torres,Clint Frazier,Chance Adams,and Justus Sheffield I know it seems like a stretch but I truly believed they’re desperate for starting pitching. I doubt Frazier or Torres are moved however.
Torres, Frazier, Adams, Sheffield and one more I think.
Torres,Frazier but it probably stops there. Cash has not singled out individual players as untouchable. If they decide to go for it then anything is possible.
Because another team may offer something better… which would make the Yankees up the offer or lose out….
He singled those five guys as untouchable earlier today.
Where did you see that?
I think if he says they’re untouchable they’re actually untouchable. If push comes to shove he could call up chance in the 2nd half
I guess this is addressing my question. Cashman has not singled out individual players as untouchable just that he hopes not to use top prospects in a trade. That was the case with Rutherford being dealt. If the return is right who knows what he will include.
I think it was on this website earlier today. I believe this is his strategy as well.
I think Cashman is trading from an area of strength, their rotation is the 3rd best in the AL right now, and their relief pitching could be the best in baseball.
It’s going to take a top 50 to get him
Ya the free agent market for starting pitching is thin next year too, with the team the Yankees have it’s a good move to get Gray.
Cashman did single out Torres, Frazier, Adams, and Sheffield as being close to untouchable as he see, it was posted in another article on here that talks about the starting pitcher market. I don’t see the Yankees throwing in any of those guys if they are trying to build a future around those 4 why trade them away. I didn’t like the Rutherford deal and I know they are talking about trading Mateo but there is no room for them in the outfield so it is only right they trade them and give them a chance to play in the bigs when they are ready.
Frazier would be perfect in Oakland but the Yankees have Didi, who’s awesome, and being that Torres is a sick SS, he’s blocked – yes I know NYY want to move him to 3B next year, but lets face it, the Yanks will be in on Donaldson and Machado soon – Torres is totally expendable.
Note the language “close to” untouchable – thats hogwash faketalk trying to get the price down. Ultimately one or more of those 4 will be on the table in a Gray deal.
that’s not going to happen. They aren’t desperate enough to do it.
if that happens and it becomes a choice between including the top guys and getting him or him going somewhere else I’ll wager Cashman will let him go somewhere else and promote Chance Adams
Torres is more than likely going to shove Castro off 2b. I could see him at 3B if they Andujar doesn’t stick there and they decide not to pursue Machado. I don’t think they will ever seriously pursue Donaldson.
So where does Castro go? He’s pretty good and still has 2/23+M on his deal after this year. I think they keep him and contend with him both those years and this one too. Torres is the guy they most can afford to lose. I agree Frazier, despite having cool hair he should be allowed to let grow wild and free, is worth more to NYY than anyone else on that faux-“untouchable” list.
I also think OAK are going to get Cashman to take Lowrie in addition to Gray & Alonso, and that’s why they’re “in the lead”. However, if a top 1-20 MLB prospect is on the table, Beane will go there.
I don’t think he goes anywhere. They like the interchangeable pieces and moving the guys around. So the combination of Castro/Didi/Torres/Andujar will likely handle 2b/3b/ss with Castro likely going when his deal is done.
Headley isn’t going to be resigned. Torres may not be up next April with his injury. If Frazier is brought back it’ll be a short deal and more of a DH role (meaning Holliday is gone)
There is no way …. NO WAY …. the centerpiece of all of the great trades Cashman made last year is going anywhere …. for anyone.
Cashman moved Rutherford because he was blocked by an army of outfielders Clarkin is a good prospect but would have been exposed in the rule 5 draft. That’s why he was ok moving them.
Mateo is blocked in the infield by the aforementioned trio and in the outfield by the aforementioned army even though they seem to like him as the CF of the future between Frazier and Judge. That’s why you are hearing his name. The other guy too. Mateo had some maturity issues that killed his value but has made a nice comeback this year.
I think that Florial is more likely to be traded than Mateo. Mateo offers the Yankees flexibility because he can play both infield and outfield. In the future, having both him and Tyler Wade on the roster provide the Yankees enough flexibility to carry an extra pitcher if needed. Having guys that can play both IF/OF is the latest buzz in MLB.
Florial projects a little higher too as more of a power speed guy where Mateo seems more of a Billy Hamilton with a litter better bat type of player. I agree with Mateo’s flexibility. Wade is destined for a backup utility role.
Unfortunately he may be trading both Mateo and Florial for Gray. If that’s the price I could live with it though.
I agree on Wade and that’s the perfect role with him on the NYY. Mateo would see a lot of AB’s rotating with Fowler and middle infielders unless he breaks out as the starting CF. If these guys are around in a few years I think the Yankees forgo a full time DH and rotate players – especially Sanchez and Judge – in that position.
you don’t rotate above average Catchers and Right Fielders in a DH role. You always carry a one player to cover most the DH at bats and any left can be used to rest that player with rotation.
It’s gonna take one of or both Sheffield and Adams plus those two to get Gray. JAF is annoying but he’s right on the A’s feel for his worth.
How do you know one of those prospects is not already in the package
You’re high if you think you’re getting any of those for a guy with injury history on a down year. A’s aren’t even scouting Scranton they’re looking at Trenton and charleston (aa and a). That’s Mateo, Acevedo and maybe Estrada at Trenton, florial at Charleston
Torres and Frazier alone would be a terrible trade for the Yankees.
The A’s have scouted Adams and Sheffield. Why are some of you Yankee fans acting like these prospects will contribute this year or even next. Leave Clint out of it and you have control problems with Adams,Sheffield not ready till probably 2019,and the injuries to Torres and Fowler…not saying they should trade Torres!
A’s want a CF. Fowler or Florian would be a better fit, plus one of your top pitching prospects
There is zero chance Cashman trades 3 top players for Gray. None.
If you want to play one of your best hitters more than 120 games a year behind the plate you keep him in the lineup by giving him some “rest” at DH. If you’ve got 4 outfielders that are worthy of starting you rotate them in the field and at DH. 162 games is a LONG grind, especially with the playoffs on top of that. Modern lineup flexibility is all about multi-position players and getting away from aging, high priced DH’s.
There is that rumor that the Brewers will ultimately put Brinson on the table on deadline day, I would not count them out.
I wouldn’t be surprised, the Brewers need to make a move that can compete with the Cubs adding Quintana. The Brewers should go for it all and give it a chance to win the central.
However if NYY puts Frazier or Torres on the table, OAK will go with that, because they can also move Alonso in the deal – they cant really move him anywhere other than NYY.
Cashman should just pull his offer and tell Billy Beane to go shove it, the Yankees have given what the A’s have asked for and they are still holding out Cashman would be smart to pull the offer or give Beane a time table as to when he wants a answer and put the heat on Beane.
can’t fault the A’s for playing the waiting game to see if someone blinks. it’s good business. You are right though teams are only gonna allow themselves to be dangled so long.
No one here knows exactly what is happening though.
Not sure where you’re hearing that rumor, it would make no sense for the Brewers to trade Brinson. With the downfall of Broxton he is pretty much their starting CF from here on out. They want guys with control left because they are looking to make a push beyond this season, you don’t do that by trading your starting CF.
A’s don’t HAVE to trade Gray. The pressure is on the buyers.
The A’s have to trade Gray, with his health history this is the time to trade him. He is at a peak at this time. Waiting and holding off past this season is just waiting for his stock to fall again which it will. He’s a fragile commodity.
You contradict yourself, is Gray a health risk or is he at peak value? If he’s so fragile why are so many contenders after him? Starting pitching is a sellers market.
They don’t have to but they really really want to before he gets hurt again. His value is as high as it’s going to be right now. So there is pressure on the seller as well.
Right now nobody will get Gray. It looks like nobody is offering the A’s their asking price. Might be better to wait until the winter meetings to trade him. Surprised the indians don’t go all in since they are the ones that need him the most.
If the Yankees throw away their future by trading Torres, Frazier, Adams, or Sheffield the whole organization should be fired. Sonny Gray is not worth any of the Yankees top prospects. He was hurt by injuries and has not been the same pitcher. The Yankees are not desperate enough to just dump they future on decent pitcher and a mediocre first basemen. They are going to buy smart. They will throw in their mid level prospects I don’t see any major high level prospect going any where, and if that’s the asking price for Sonny Gray it’s ridiculous.
It’s ridiculous,but it’s a sellers market this year more then any in recent years.
Yeah I can agree with that, I think the division races are closer in a way where everyone is trying to make a move so it’s going to be who has the best package
Beane hates the Yanks lol so unless they give up sonething sureal gray diesnt go there.
Mariners could use Gray to get to October and have a shot.
Let’s see what this gm can do.
Gray and Miguel Cabrera in an M’s jersey next two months would be really something.
Yeah, that’s stupid. No GM refuses to deal with certain teams. Just because you hate the Yanks, doesn’t mean Beans won’t take the best deal on the table if it’s from them.
He hates the Yankees because Cashman never loses a trade. He is always on top. You can’t name a single time a trade he pulled off backfired, can you?
Eovaldi, …. both Jeff Weaver deals both Javy Vazquez trades, Mike Lowell. I love Cashman and I agree with your point but he ain’t perfect.
Yeah that’s wrong
Jeff Weavers might have been Gene Michael’s move. Can’t fault Cash on the Marlins trade for Eovaldi. The guy was throwing 100 mph heaters for a swingman pitcher and a super utlity guy. Just didn’t pan out.
Gamel trade isn’t looking too good right now?
Cash has been the GM going on 20 years. The Weavers trade was all his.
Beane does not hate the Yanks or any team, that’s such a ridiculous thing to say.
Yeah, because you’re close personal friends with BB, right? You’re such a joke it’s not even funny anymore.
You’ll have to excuse cubsfan2489. He has a major tendency to make toxic comments on here.
Yes
Evidence that Beane hates the Yankees??
Yeah it would be the impossible dream
IMO: He’ll stay in Oakland through the season, and Beane will shop him again at the Winter Meetings when there will be 29 teams interested instead of just 7 or 8, and he’ll trade him then, like the Pads with Kimbrell, White Sox with Sale, etc.
I don’t think so because if they do that then they are risking him getting injured the rest of this year, also if u deal him in the offseason your now at a disadvantage because there’s free agents and more pitchers maybe available from other teams they would be foolish not to trade him at deadline.
Except Gray doesn’t have an injury history. History implies that it’s a reoccurring theme and that’s simply false. He missed the last two months of 2016 and the 1st month of 2017. It’s his first and only instance of missing time because of injury and it wasn’t even related to his arm. You want an example of a risky pitcher with an injury history then cite Garret Richards but not Gray.
If there’s interest he’s getting dealt
Not if no top 50 prospects are in the deal.
Can I laugh when they get a top 50 prospect that ends up dropping out of the top 50 when they redo the prospect boards?
I don’t think Frazier or Torres are dropping out bud
They will get less at the winter meetings. Less service time, more pitching competition available, risk of injury or ineffectiveness, etc.
It’s rarely the team you expect that ends up making the trade. Expect a surprise team to sneak in. Perhaps the Diamondbacks or Rangers
Neither of those teams have the prospects. I think the Nats pull the trigger with Robles and Yankees refuse to include Torres.
Man, I bet the Nats wished they had just pulled the trigger with Robles and got Sale
they offer him just that red sox had the better valhe for the white sox givinv the fact nats need cf cp and a starter at the time then they other propects from eaton because had to make a splash at the winter meeting
Why would the Rangers sell Darvish and buy Gray. The control isn’t as important to them as it looks like they are heading for a full rebuild.
I don’t think they would actually pull the trigger on such a deal, but…the Pirates have the pieces to make a deal for Gray and were one of the teams scouting him the other day.
The Pirates lack the top talent it would take to headline the deal. I’m not going to try to convince a Pirates fan that Meadows’ value isn’t there, but it’s not. Glasnow is an afterthought now, Keller has been decent but the lack of K’s is concerning, Baz was just drafted and super far away…
I actually don’t think the Pirates have the pieces to do it, not in the farm system at least.
Updated Katoh rankings came out two days ago, ranked Meadows ahead of Robles. Well ahead of the new Yankee hype. Convince them.
And if Beane asked for Keller, I’d hang up. Keith Law thinks he’s a potential ace. Not a number one. An ace. He might be wrong, but I’d 100% find out the answer with him in my system, not someone else’s.
Gray’s package will be less than Quintana’s, you need to remember.
All things being equal, I’d rather just dumpster dive and let Searage fix someone else’s trash, like Nova.
This front office lacks the courage to make an aggressive move for Sonny Gray. The team that gets Sonny will have to move at least 3 players, most likely 4. I can’t honestly recall the Pirates moving that many players to get 1 player. Huntington always talks about how they won’t sacrifice the future for the present. Just don’t see it happening, although I would LOVE it. Sonny may not be an ace, but he’s a 1A or #2 in any rotation.
I’m not sure Sonny Gray is the guy I’d pull the trigger on…inconsistent, injury issues, small frame.
I’d be more interested in Julio Teheran. Better frame, better stuff, probably cost a bit less. I think Searage could do great things with him.
Yankees are the frontrunners but no mention what they’re willing to give. As a yankees fan, this makes me nervous. Gray isn’t worth emptying the farm.
Get a rental like Darvish theoretically he shouldn’t cost as much (1 year rental) and is more effective pitcher
The 10 run outing mike weaken im his return
Couldn’t tell if u were talking about Darvish or Gray (it was Darvish) I looked it up and he was obliterated for 10 earned runs moving his ERA from 3.44 to 4.01 in what could be his last start for Texas
I like it– makes me want him more, Lowers his cost, but he’s still QO worthy so I still think Darvish trade is unlikely
If you think 1 start lowers his value then you are wrong.
I think any pitcher, no matter who it is gives up 10 earned runs (emphasis on “earned”) spikes up his ERA from mid 3 to 4, yes.
(Doesn’t help it’s his last start before the trade deadline, so he doesnt get a chance to prove himself like he’s been doing all season)
Darvish has a solid track record, but when any starter gives up 10 earned runs, I think he loses trade value. Not by the extent I think you took it when u read my comment but I think Darvish lost value nonetheless (even if the league is SP-starved)
1 start won’t affect value much at all . At most teams would want to see Darvish pitch one more time, and have pitching coaches watch he video and see if it was location, mechanics, or diminished velocity, but he’s been good enough to where teams I think will feel comfortable with the move as long as there are no medical issues.
He’s still Yu Darvish, 1 bad start or not.
Yeah but an ERA over 4 is still not that great. I get that he’s considered an ace and his peripherals might be better, but still.
Players who get traded are not eligible for a QO.
Exactly my point. You just made it for me. I don’t think the package of prospects Yankees are / are willing to offer is going to be significantly better than draft picks Rangers will get if/when Darvish declines his QO at the end of the season, assuming he signs with another team
Is this why I keep getting downvotes? Because people think im saying he’s eligible for QO after trade? He will get a QO even if his ERA hovers around 4 whole season. Darvish is a bonfide ace an my favorite pitcher!
Because downvotes actually mean people are “down” with what youre saying my man! I crave them
Just Another Fan Lol. I’m just not used to getting dislikes. I probably got more dislikes in this one thread than I’ve gotten 4+ years here. Ohh well.
The Yankees can have James Shields and Derrick Holland for a case of sunflower seeds.
No way they will give up a whole case.
Either Briton or Gray would be a boon for the Astros. Gray allows you to move Peacock or Morton to the pen while adding someone who produces like your top two starters.
Although if Lunhow is more interested in Britton, he should just make the move injury concerns and all regardless of the price. Someone who can effortlessly spot a slider on the outside corner like that is unhittable.
Why move Morton or peacock. They’ve been their best starters since keuchel went to the DL
Victims of their own successes. They’ve shown they can succeed in either role, which Keuchel sucks at, McCullers never has and Fiers has had mixed results. Given the recent success of Fiers after struggling, you don’t want to mess with him if you can avoid it.
Yeah thats stupid and not happening. If Gray is traded to Houston, most likely one of Houston’s SPs will be traded to Baltimore for Britton.
Why would you trade for Britton if your in house options after the trade will sure up your bullpen and will involve two starters who are unlikely to be starters in a postseason series anyway as the team goes to a three-four man rotation.
If you trade for Gray it a rotation of Keuchel, Gray, McCullers, McHugh for a playoff series with Morton, Peacock and Fiers available out of the pen. Unless the organization doesn’t believe in Giles, which if they didn’t Devo would be closing right now, I don’t see the point in trade for Britton on top of Gray.
Either trade by themselves solves a problem the team has in a different way. Gray more so than the cheaper, but still costly Britton.
Morton’s shown success out of the bullpen? When, 2007 in AA?
And what has McHugh done in the past 24 months that warrants him kicking someone out of the rotation when you have Fiers, Peacock, and Morton (owed another $10 million for this year and next) pitching well?
McHugh hasn’t done a thing this year and you’re penciling him in for starts in the postseason?
Morton’s never proven to be a valuable bullpen arm, unless you’re referring to AA in 2007.
He’s historically been one of the best pitchers in the league. McHugh is also one of the three starters who pitched in the postseason in 2015 that are still on the roster. Great production or not, Fiers, Peacock and Morton lack that experience. So yeah a guy was a top-10 finisher in the 2015 Cy Young race gets a postseason spot as of now.
There is a deadline in four days and those plans are being projected now for the Astros given their lead. The Astros are asking what they need come the postseason. Adding a starter who is preceived as an upgrade means those starters at the tail end get slotted into the bullpen.
I like McHugh a lot, but he’s not one of the best pitchers in the league, and he’s not some seasoned veteran. He’s made 100 career starts, and had great seasons in 2014 and 2015. He’s also coming off shoulder and elbow injuries this year. It’s not wise to bank on any of their current starters being healthy and effective for the remainder of the year.
Yes he made starts in the postseason, so has Morton.
Sonny Gray is a nice piece to add, but he’s not a substantial upgrade over who they have. I would rather see them go after a proven ace and a guy that stays healthy.
Peacock is actually teh guy that is likely expected to be moved back to the bullpen when Keuchel comes back. He did really well in the bullpen earlier in the year so they likely send him back
I’m not even a Yankees fan, but with what Frazier has been doing for that team, Cash should be fired on the spot if he trades Frazier. Sure, they have an OF surplus but trade Mateo, trade Flurial, I’d trade Hicks & Gardner (not like the A’s would want them though) before I’d trade Frazier.
The A’s want a CF and pitching, so they probably want Fowler OR Florian, plus Adams OR Sheffield, plus a lower prospect or two. If Alonso is included, then add another #50-100 prospect of so.
Dustin Fowler might never play baseball ever again. Absolutely no way he’s traded.
He might be but definitely not as the centerpiece
Nope, not happening. He’s not getting traded until he actually plays again.
Stop trying to make another Refsnyder out of him, its insufferable. Dustin Fowler will never be traded in 2017, please learn this.
Sorry, I’m not up to date on the Yankees farm
Maybe it’s time JAF becomes a GM.
Yeah sorry trades dont work like that. You arent trading the older vets for Sonny Gray. Frazier needs to be in this deal – he’s not a good Yankee, his hair needs to be wild and untamed! He looks like crud right now!
@JustAnotherFan what would the A’s do if they got Torres? Either move Marcus and let gleyber take over or explore the option of playing Barreto in center semien at second and Gleyber at short? Since Barreto played there in ST. (IF)
How would beavis know that?
Semien to LF, Gleyber at SS, Barreto at 2B.
Hicks doesn’t have the value and Gardner has less plus he’s not the young controllable guys the A’s would want. That said if he trades Frazier he won’t last long enough to get fired. We’ll lynch him first.
Braves easily have the prospects to outbid everyone. However, I don’t think they’ll give up anything better than Ian Anderson as the center piece. He’s the #7 prospect in the Braves system but #57 in the top 100. Braves don’t want to give away close to MLB ready players like Acuna, Albies, Wright, Allard, Soroka, and Gohora. Honestly, I think the most the Braves would give up is Anderson #57 top 100 Mid Season 17, Max Fried #87 top 100 Pre-Season 17, Demeritte #9 2B Pre-Season 17 or maybe Pache, who is a top 150 guy who has risen the ranks very quickly. Anderson, Fried, and Pache would all become top 10 prospects within A’s system. Anderson would be the #3 prospect behind Puk but in front of Chapman.
A’s are looking for an outfielder and a better prospect than Anderson as the main piece. Good news for you is they can’t trade Wright anyways, so you don’t have to worry about him.
Anderson is a good enough headliner, and A’s would have interest in the other 2, but it probably takes one more prospect a little below the Anderson tier. Braves can blow any team’s offer out of the water with their farm, but I’d prefer they wait til some of their pitching reaches the majors before they start making these types of trades. They’re a lot more than one #2 starter from contending.
I think they’d prefer a CF’er but they’d be silly to only look at deals including one. A package centered around Albies and Gohara would be tough to turn down.
Coppy won’t be offering that hopefully. I love Gray as a Vandy fan and absolutely don’t want to pay the price he’s worth. Sure, let’s drive up the bidding to possibly make the Nats overpay and rinse their farm out for good. But I’d hate to see us send over multiple top guys like that for Gray.
If the Braves offered Anderson and Wentz as centerpieces then that’s easily the best deal. I would take those two over any deal the Yanks put out exception being a Torres deal. I don’t think the Braves pull the trigger yet and I also don’t think Gray is going anywhere this year. A’s will keep him and next year everybody will be kicking themselves for not acquiring him now.
The Nats have a history of bold trades, they won the trade involving Gio Gonzalez and Treinen who both put up more value than Norris,Peacock and what peacock acquired ie: Gio > Norris (best catching prospect), Jaso and Lowrie amassed.
They will put Robles on deck
I met Robles yesterday in Richmond, nice kid and would love to see him manning the outfield in DC when Harper leaves. I know prospects are just that and gray is a good pitcher with control I’d just personally go with a rental and keep Robles and Soto with Werth and Harper on their way out over the next season and a half.
That’s exactly what Rizzo will do. He knows he can’t keep Harper, which means he isn’t trading Robles. Nor should he.
Agreed just because Strasburg is on the DL doesn’t mean you go and panic and make a knee jerk move it’s not like Strasburg is out for the entire season he will be back for the Nationals.
Torres, Cessa and Ellsbury for Verlander and Justin Wilson?
Or just Cessa and Ellsbury for Zimmermann?
just shoot me now
Torres is going nowhere. I like the bad contract for bad contract but Ells isn’t enough for Verlander who is quietly having another good year and too much for zimmerman.
That said we can’t get rid of ellsbury fast enough.
The Tigers would probably do a Zimmermann trade just for Ellsbury. Pure swap of what are looking like bad contracts.
Says A’s may want Christian Pache from Atlanta he is an outfielder. If I was them I would just wait til off-season and sign Arrieta or Darvish and trade Teheran Maybe trade for Clayton Richard he is better than his last few starts show
Here’s an idea: if Braves want Gray why not wait til the offseason and trade with whoever has him? A’s & Braves aren’t a particularly good matchup trade-wise.
Keuchel’s start tomorrow and McHugh’s Saturday will be a tell if the Astros will trade for a starter.
I see them getting two relievers instead due to Peacock’s emergence as a solid mid-rotation arm.
No it won’t, 1 start does not change anything. Front offices are looking towards the next 10-20 starts, not the next weeks ones..
The organization doesn’t have 10-20 starts to evaluate, they have one series before the deadline to see if their current top three is ready to go the rest of the way without adding another starter to the mix with Peacock, Fiers and Morton’s success.
anyone know anything about the Indians following gray?
Haven’t heard anything along those lines.
If the Yankees get Younder I think Headley is going to be the odd man out. Yanks getting tired of his 1 month good 1 bad routine. While he bats higher than T. Frazier, Frazier has more pop. We can certainly use Sonny Gray but its not like he’s ever going to win 20. A’s want a center fielder, we have a good 1 to give them that wont hurt us, 19yo. No way are they getting Clint Frazier
He became the odd man out when Todd Frazier took his spot. That surprised me a little as I thought they’d stick with Headley’s defense and play Todd at 1B.
Yonder would clearly send him to a depth role and cooper back to the minors. He’s a nice to have but I don’t think he’s the priority. I think he’ll kick the tires but once the price gets too high he will put Yonder back on the shelf and focus on Gray. Gray will pair nicely with Severino. I don’t think they chase Tanaka if he opts out. I do think they will look for a 1 year deal with Sabathia give Kaprelian’s TJS. A future rotation of Severino, Gray, Sheffield, Adams, Montgomery/Kaprelian is probably what they have their eyes on.
There’s got to be next to no chance Masahiro Tanaka opts out of a guaranteed 67M though, right? I’d be stunned.
Great question. Still too early to tell. Does he fix himself and have a good two months? Does he have a good postseason (IF the Yankees make it)? How greedy is he? Marginal pitchers are getting insane money..
I agree with you but nothing these guys do surprise me anymore.
Frazier is doing well. I would leave him off. Yanks should stand pat. If beane doesn’t like the offers, stand pat.
I doubt they trade Torres or Frazier. And I think they want to keep Adams. Now Sheffield I could c going somewhere. But I doubt it’s for Gray. I think a package around Mateo and Acevedo gets it done without adding the young CFer from the futures game. Mateo can and probably should end up in center.
Lol not
The Yanks refrained from adding Frazier or Torres in a Sale or Quintana trade, so I’d assume they would be unwilling to add either for Gray. I think if the Yanks don’t get Gray, or the price becomes too high, they will call up Adams to pitch the second half
exactly what I’m hoping for too.
Oakland isn’t asking for Torres and Frazier they just want Mateo and Florial and other pieces as well thats why this isn’t done yet I think Cashman will eventually break down and give up both.
I’d be fine with Florial OR Mateo, but I think Cash will have to give up both. Hopefully the package ends there though, with some lottery ticket pitchers as throw ins going to Oak too. If the Yanks can get Gray in addition to last weeks trade, without giving up the top 4 prospects, then Cash gets an A++
Last weeks package is not a young controllable TOR pitcher.
A package of Florial & Mateo plus some throw ins for Gray would be a fair deal for both teams. If Beane doesn’t want this, then it’s time to move on. Gray is a good pitcher but there are alternatives out there.
Florial, Mateo, Sheffield & Adams for Gray & Alonso.
no
Why wouldn’t the Cubs offer Albert Almora jr., Jeimer Candelario, Victor Carrantini and Ryan Williams for Gray? That is the strongest package I think the A’s could hope for.
Williams meh, Candelario we have Nunez, Olson, Healy that project the same as DH/1B types and he can’t outplay Chapman at 3rd defensively. I would take Almora, Alzolay, Carantini and maybe another.
I don’t see Chapman making any noise in the big leagues. I think it’d be nice to have Candelario just in case. I would add Candelario as the other player you requested. It’s still not a bad package. Carrantini and Candelario are blocked by Bryant and Contreras and Almora isn’t going to get enough playing time to develop. I don’t think giving up these players hurts the Cubs, but definitely benefits the A’s.
Great to hear the Nationals are not involved for Gray or Darvish they should be going for a bullpen piece like Justin Wilson that would be their best option.
They need a closer above all else. Ken Rosenthall just admitted being wrong on that story..using the excuse of this busy time of year. This was the same guy scooped by an internet teenager.
You have not seen Chapman play because he has already made noise in MLB. Gold glove defense that even other players have took noticed of. Has not hit for average but showed the power with 5 long ones. Chapman is not going anywhere.
Arc the Nationals are out on Gray say they won’t trade Robles, the Braves are most likely out won’t trade Acuna you would have to think the Yanks might clearly have a leg up now with getting Gray your thoughts?
The Nationals are NOT involved for Gray or Darvish which is true.
Let’s just take this stuff for what it is..posturing and rumors!
Nationals don’t need another starter just because Strasburg is on the DL big deal he will be back why panic and make a knee jerk move when it’s not necessary, they should be focusing on a guy like Justin Wilson not trying to add another starter. Rizzo won’t trade Robles he knows Harper won’t be with them long term so he won’t deal Robles away, plus if he didn’t trade Robles for Sale what makes you think he will for a lesser pitcher in Sonny Gray?
A’s have also said they might just wait until winter meetings before trading Gray. Which what it looks like will happen if these teams refuse to give up their best prospects. His value will be higher in the off season because more teams will think they are 1 player away. Hard to believe that no team would give in to the demands seeing how a few playoff teams do not have a top starter.
I am starting to believe the Yanks will get Gray I read yesterday that the Yankees told the A’s they can have either Mateo or Florial but not both plus other pieces like Acevedo, Abreu and others I think the A’s take Florial it sounds like they really like the kid but who knows we will see.
It’s been proven you get a bigger haul at the trade deadline then waiting until the hot stove season. Fringe playoff teams are the ones that feel they’re that one player away and will make those panick moves.
Not always. Right now most teams do not want to trade top prospects so why trade for a bunch of mid level prospects that may never make the bigs. If Gray stays healthy all season long and pitches great like he has done for the last month his value will continue to climb. With no free agent starter that is a top of rotation guy Gray value could be even more.
Darvish and Cueto are TOR FA not to mention Otani. The off-season is also where payrolls are assessed for the coming season,and 40 man rosters are juggled for the rule 5 draft.
Cueto is not going to opt out on his contract. Unless he pitches lights out the rest of the year his current contract is better than anything he could get as a FA. Darvish will have a QO attached to him so the signing team will need to give up a draft pick for him so its like giving up a top 10 prospect.
The QO has changed under the new CBA and doesn’t carry the hefty draft pick it used to. Cueto more then likely opt out because,it’s in his benefit because of age and will probably be his last big FA contract..it’s not like he’s been that bad,look around what other teams have.
Chapman will make plenty of noise. The cubs won’t want to trade Caratini unless they have another C in place. Maybe trade Candelerio for Avila, then make a trade with the A’s.
Chapman is absolutely on fire right now. Hes a 3 true outcomes hitter – basically he’s Joey Gallo but defensively he’s 3B version of Andreltin Simmons. Go look at last nights highlights on mlb.com – Chapman should get a gold glove THIS year!
As cub fan, done
They just don’t know what they are missing with Gray…
Gray to Phillies for Cozens, Quinn, Crawford
Braves van do it if we add Semien as insurance over Swanson.
Albies, Pache, Allard
Nope
Better add 3 more prospects for Semien
Matian has to be in there
Making an already horrid farm system even worse for a team that’s not even remotely close to sniffing a World Series is simply mind boggling. Jerry Dipshito is no better than the complete hack GM’s before him..
Sonny Gray trade rumors have consumed my week. I want it to be over but come the trade deadline I will miss this madness.
Heard from a source the Nippon Ham Hunters are now in on Gray
Yea, I saw that too. They seem to be offering the best package by far and have a leg up on everyone.
I wonder if Oakland would accept a Matteo or Florial along with Andujar
Sounds like a deal could happen tomorrow this article was written today.
link to chatsports.com
That article is redundant and even quotes this site. The article also lists Mateo as one of those they are hesitant to include. Top prospects being reluctant to be included doesnt mean untouchable,as I’ve seen you previously post. To all Yankee fans like I previously posted..with injury and not being ready these prospects won’t be ready to help this year or maybe next..that does not include Frazier. Please don’t bring up Adams because they feel he has control issues and he’d have an innings limit.
Yanks most likely get Gray, Cashman has already stated on numerous occasions that Chance Adams is not yet ready and needs to continue to work on things that’s why he hasn’t and won’t be brought up. Mateo and Florial are both expendable prospects neither has a spot on the major league roster both their value is high right now and it’s the time to deal them. Yankees can’t go on with this current rotation they are sending out there everyone gets all giddy and happy just because Severino pitched 2 good games you know what I say? Big deal, Brian Cashman needs to close the deal with the A’s to get Gray end of story.
My point exactly if anyone is in the deal other then Frazier or Torres,then so be it!
I feel like if the Yankees won’t include Frazier or Torres then it will take quantity to get Gray. Something like Mateo, Florial, Kaprielian and Sauer or Martinez for Gray and Alonso.
Kaprelian is recovering from TJ.
TJ isn’t something to scare off Beane as long as the medicals on current status come back clean.
And he’s definitely valued too much to trade.
I have always considered Billy Beane a miracle worker, as have many others. But I’ve been baffled by the A’s re-building strategy since 2014 (the year before Beane was promoted to Exec. VP of Baseball Ops). Besides having apparently forgotten what an on-base percentage is, trading Sonny Gray is another perfect example.
For the A’s to win again they need starters that: A) Are of All-Star quality; B) Early enough in their careers that they can pay them substantially less than their market value, and; C) They can control for at least two more seasons.
THAT’S SONNY GRAY!
New ballpark won’t open for at least another 4-5 years. That’s the window they’re loading up for.
That’s a great point, but would explain why they’d trade him in 2019 (before he hits free agency), or maybe by the deadline next year. If you can keep a #1 or #2 rotation starter like Gray another year for under $5 million, why not put his down season another year further in the past and let his stock go up some more (it’s rising with every start)?
He will never again cost less than $5M a season. Next year will be $7-10M.
Hahaha could be fun if the Padres win Sonny
Sonny has two years left of arb. after this season. BB will not trade Sonny unless he is completely overwhelmed. He may as well ask for NYY for Torres and/or Frazier, ATL for Acuna and one or more of their 55 grade pitching prospects, WAS for Soto, Robles and Fedde or MIL for Hader and Brinson. If no one bites, oh well. Also, a strong August and September finish from Sonny can make him even more valuable for the green and gold. A better offer may come come at the winter meetings when there are 29 teams (minus the tankers) trying to prepare for a competitive 2018 season. BB has all the leaverage, and he knows it.
Torres and Frazier are off the table. Still can get a few very good players from Yanks (Andujar, Florial, Matteo)
Right! My point is that BB/Forst can ask for what they want and do not have to settle.
Just like I said on this thread last night Oakland keeps him through the rest of this season.
Dodgers won’t give up Verdugo for Gray when they are 1,000 games up in the division and the National League.
Nats shouldn’t and won’t give up Robles or Soto for Gray when they are 1,000 games up in their division, and a reliever should still be a more pressing need
Yankees would be stupid to give up Frazier.
Rockies shouldn’t sell the farm for a 1 game playoff
Brewers shouldn’t sell the farm or Brinson because they weren’t even supposed to be good this year!
I actually think the Braves might have the best chance to land him at the deadline since they are looking for controllable starters, and they pulled pretty much this same out of the box trade last year (the Kemp for Olivera bad contract swap), and like Texas in 2015 with Hamels; they didn’t trade him specifically for 2015, even though he did help them, it was mainly for 2016, 2017 & 2018. Braves (and now Padres??) likely see Gray the same way Texas saw Hamels: Anything they do this year is gravy, it’s more for the following 2 to 3 years. I still don’t see Atlanta coming to terms with Oakland on prospects going over, but I could see them pulling it off in December though,
So what your saying, the Mariners have a chance?
So what your saying, the Mariners have a chance.
Sorry I posted it twice, just wanted to make sure it went through because I got all hyped up when the M’s make big trades specifically a center field prospect because it reminds me of good times.
The reason Beane trades Gray now instead of holding him is they are not going anywhere as long as they continue to play in that disaster of a park. By the time the A’s are ready with a new park having younger controllable guys like 19 year old outfielder Florial along with other young players they will be close to if not ready for the show by then. Let’s face it, it takes two or three years of construction to build a new stadium and that is if you know where you are building and can start doing it. The A’s are not ready to announce where their new stadium is going yet they are getting closer. So trading Gray for Florial as a centerpiece makes sense. Add in a few other guys andujar or Matteo and some a ball pitchers with high upside and that’s what they should do. They are not competing this year or next and probably not before 2020.
yes but if they get mlb ready prospects they can trade them later or they can be their base for the team when the new stadium open
But the A’s won 4 championships in that disaster of a park!
100 years ago..
Sorry for the double posts not sure why that happens
Come on, the cubs Torres was traded for 3 months and 20-30 innings of a closer (chapman). Sonny is a front end starter whose dealing right now. He’s got 2 more years of arbitration left. If teams don’t cough up 2 premium prospects, let’s keep him and try again over the winter. Garbage Yankees!!
Yankees are just negotiating like the A’s. I think it’s fun to watch to be honest.
Gray has some injury concerns. Expand the deal to Lowrie, Alfonso and Gray for Andujar, Mateo, Chance Adams and Tyler Wade and consider yourself lucky
Nope. Next.
Study the buyer before making the trade Ideas.
The A’s can keep Gray. The Yankees simply do not need Alonso at any cost. Headley is doing better than expected at 1st base. Better to just walk away from this whole deal.
There’s no report of the Yankees walking away just because it says they wont trade those guys, Billy Beane will soften his asking price as the deadline nears and he knows that Gray will be a Yankee in the end without the Yankees trading Torres or Frazier I guarantee it. Billy Beane is just trying to get greedy now he’s just seeing how much he can ask for with teams he’s trying to push the envelope as much as possible. The price will come down I don’t buy the talk that they will keep him and deal him in the off season that’s a big risk cuz he could get hurt before the year is over, sorry Billy boy you will have to lower the price no one will overpay that much for Gray.
I don’t get the intensity of the rumors surrounding starters as we approach the deadline. The bulk of the teams that are actually in contention have solid 1-3 guys in their rotations and would only require an impact starter if there is a significant injury. Washington and the Dodgers don’t seem too concerned about their aces’ injuries and for the other teams in playoff contention the asking price for these guys (Gray and Darvish) mush be too high. There are approximately two months left for a contender to make a run and a quality starter will thus only make about 8 appearances in that time. Then, assuming the team makes the playoffs, they will then only need 3-4 quality starters. If the asking prices are multiple prospects in the top-30 of the contender’s farm system the Rangers and A’s will likely have to decrease their demands if they are actually trying to deal these guys.
Except that the A’s aren’t trying to trade Gray, the contenders are trying to acquire him. In a pennant race and the postseason you will need all the quality arms you can get.
Just like they the Yankees walked away
Just like that
Ran like the wind
The Yanks would be better off not making this trade. They should walk away. Just like that.
Braves-Sonny Gray
Athletics- Nick Markackis, Sean Newcomb, Max Fried, and Christain Pache
The Braves are going to make a deal for Gray or someone else. If not now, definitely this offseason. We will have Gohara, Sims, Allard, Soroka all at AAA. Wright, Fried, Touissant at AA. Plus Folty, Teheran, and Newcomb. There’s no proven ace anywhere and not enough 40 man roster spots. Camacho playing out of his mind probably increases the likelihood of including Albies also.
Or make Camacho part of the package for Gray. Offer when he’s hot and see if Beane goes for it.
Camargo. Sorry.
You never know, remember Charles Thomas…..
Ha, I just saw Camacho. Stupid autocorrect. *Camargo*
With Swanson’s demotion I would rethink trading Albies, if I were Coppy that is. If Swanson turns out to be a bust then they will need an everyday SS. Albies has more range than Camargo at SS.
Clock ticking for teams to get Gray before Theo comes out of the bushes and snags him at last hour
Cubs trade Almora jr, Candelario, Carantini and Azolay for Gray. Best package they will see.
Almora, Happ, Clifton & La Stella for Gray & Lowrie is a very feasible deal.
In the end the Yanks will give the A’s the best offer for Gray, but I don’t think either Torres or Frazier will be in the mix. The A’s already have the best offer on the table, so they either take it or keep him.. With the addition of the relief pitching by Cashman he doesn’t really need a starter, the starters only need to go 5 innings for the Yanks.
Cashman and Beane will eventually find common ground without giving up Torres and Frazier I am sure they are still talking there’s no report of the Yankees walking away completely and ending talks for good, something will get done Beane will come down on his price he’s not stupid. Gray will be a Yankee by the end of today I am pretty confident everyone needs to relax this is how negotiations work stuff like this takes time.
Keep dreaming, Yankeeman. Like your boy Joel Sherman wrote this morning, Beane told him straight up he doesnt trade crap for great players and if it pains him to make a trade, then the other team must suffer too. Torres or Frazier WILL be in a Gray trade.
I think the Yanks have more pieces that the A’s prefer in any trades they make this year. You always here players that are “off limits” or “untouchable” and I think sometimes that means they are not being moved unless the deal can be sweetened. Gray, when healthy can run off 10 straight games of going 7 innings and giving up 2 runs or less. He has a ceiling of a very good #2 in a elite starting staff rotation. Alonso is having a career year so I understand the hesitation by the Yanks but If Alonso can hit 21 HR’s in Oakland I’m sure those numbers would increase being in a better lineup that plays the majority of their games with a short porch in right. Gray & Alonso don’t have to be the only players going to the Yanks in a trade. The A’s can send a prospect in return to soften the blow of losing one of their “untouchables”.
This is a deal I’d like to see as an A’s fan:
A’s get – Torres, Florial & 2 pitching prospects
Yanks get – Gray, Alonso & Yairo Munoz (A’s #12 prospect)
Maybe include Lowrie as well to play 2nd or be the super utility player?
You are not getting Torres or Frazier. All you A’s fans get it into your heads. I repeat you are NOT getting Torres or Frazier for Gray and Alonso. The Yankees dont even need to do the deal after getting Todd Frazier, Kahnle, and Robertson. They got a OK 1B/3B and 2 relievers where they can use the BP early if a starters having a rough outing without any problems as seen yesterday vs the Rays.
It will be interesting to see if Yanks or A’s cave. I’m guessing it will be either the Yanks caving or A’s holding onto Gray. Just don’t get the sense the A’s feel all that much urgency to part with Gray.
You can’t use relievers like that for a prolonged time. You need starting pitching for the playoffs.
Yes, the A’s are getting Frazier or Torres or else the Yankees arent getting Sonny, simple as that!
Laughable how the A’s would think they can get the Yankees top 2 prospects. The Yankees would never move Frazier or Torres
I don’t believe they were asking for both of the top 2 prospects. They want one to be included in a package. I don’t think it is unreasonable to ask for that type of a package for Gray & Alonso.
The A’s need to taper their expectations or come August 1st they are still going to have Gray and nothing for their future
Uh, Gray is under team control in 2018 and 2019. They can just trade him later, and the more starts he makes in a row will actually increase his value because it will kill off this fake story about how he’s suddenly “injury prone” when he only really ever had 1 injury and has started the exact same number of games as Kershaw & Felix has since the start of 2014.
A’s don’t need to trade Gray (Alonso is a free agent and Oakland has a powerful Matt Olson waiting on the wings, if Yonder is traded) so no need to give away prime pitcher like Gray. Let those contending team face October with a bunch of rookies and see how they do…