Marlins star Giancarlo Stanton, who will enter the offseason as the most-watched trade candidate in baseball, said in an appearance last night on “Jimmy Kimmel Live” that he is slated to meet with the team’s new ownership group after the World Series ends. (Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald was among those to report on the comments.)
It’s a bit surprising to learn that Stanton hasn’t yet sat down with the incoming owners, who have been led publicly by surefire Hall-of-Famer Derek Jeter. His no-trade protection, after all, gives him full veto authority over any trade, so Stanton’s own preferences will weigh heavily in dictating the Miami organization’s freedom of action this winter.
As I explored in discussing the Marlins’ offseason options just yesterday, the team’s reported intentions to drop payroll to the $90MM level seem to make a Stanton deal rather likely. Particularly given that the slugger is coming off of an excellent season that boosted his profile and marketability, Stanton will hold quite a lot of appeal to other organizations. But the Marlins can scarcely afford to hang onto him at that payroll level, and almost certainly can’t afford to do so while also seeking to acquire new MLB talent to boost a moribund pitching staff.
Stanton fielded some questions from Kimmel about possible destinations. While it’s possible to read something into the responses, it largely seems that Stanton ably handled them without giving away anything of substance. He did acknowledge he “grew up a Dodger fan” and hinted he’d have little trouble approving a deal to send him to the National League champs, though that’s hardly surprising. Stanton also said he’d be willing to spend some time as a DH when asked about the Red Sox as a landing spot, though again that was hardly a committed response. And the slugger quipped that he “like[s] beating up on the Mets” when asked about that (seemingly unlikely) destination, that hardly seems to dictate anything about his future.
Ultimately, all that’s really known about Stanton’s preferences, per Jackson, is that he does not wish to endure a rebuild. Even then, it’s all but impossible at this point to know whether the star would consider a move to a team that is just opening a competitive window. Given that he has yet even to discuss the situation with the team’s new top decisionmakers, it seems fair to say that the potential offseason drama has yet even to begin in earnest.
Wave the no trade in exchange for some ownership right, GC.
Is this even allowed? Are current players allowed to also be owners of a team?
Now I’m curious.
I need to look at Pujols Deal, but it has some type of “long term employment” in it I think…..not ownership……I don’t think.
Pujols has a personal services contract for 10 years after he retires, but those too I believe were outlawed in the latest CBA. I doubt players can be part owners of a team…especially one that has traded him away.
I’d be shocked if he landed in Boston. Boston’s ownership group has made it pretty clear that they don’t want to exceed the luxury tax and taking on Stanton’s contract would cost a pretty penny.
The 2018-2019 free agent class is excellent. If a team knows they’ll exceed the luxury tax threshold for 2019 it makes sense to get under in 2018 and reset the tax rate.
That was just for this past year. I don’t think they’ve made that statement about the coming years. Especially since as it stands now they are right at the threshold without doing a thing for the year to come.. in other words they are going way over this year
BOS is already going to be over the luxury tax line anyways. Even after they decline’s Craig’s option they’ll still have $145M going to 8 players + a deferred payment to Manny. Add in arb raises and they’ll probably be up around $170M or so.
Why do people keep saying that the Red Sox aren’t going over the luxury tax in 2018? There has been nothing said one way or the other for 2018. The Red Sox went under this year so they have reset the penalties. I think you are confusing the Red Sox with the Yankees who have indicated they want to be under the threshold in 2018 to reset there penalties.
There has been talk of him coming to Boston with Miami eating a portion of his contract! I wouldn’t be surprised with Dave Dombrowski and now Alex Cora at the helm.
Fit in perfectly with the Latin mix in clubhouse. Interesting to see what the cost ie, personnel would be
I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Stanton landed in Boston. It makes sense. They need a big bat for their lineup, and Stanton would fit in well at Fenway. As for the money aspect…yes, it would be tough to swallow but Stanton is likely cheaper than what Harper or Machado eventually sign for.
Honestly, I think Miami will have a hard time finding a taker for Stanton at the terms they will want, and Boston might be its best bet.
Move Mookie Betts back to 2B.
Betts is the best defensive RFer in baseball, plus they have their most popular player playing 2B already..
I would love to see a 3-way deal with the Royals getting JBJ and sending prospects to the Marlins. Don’t know what it would take for sure, but bet JBJ would be cheaper in that type of deal than just a straight up swap.
But Harper and Machado will not cost the signing team any talent or prospects or any players
But they will be $100 M more expensive. That’s a LOT of peanuts……..I kow they’ll spread it out, but you “still have to spend those dollars”.
Stanton will fit in well in Fenway until he goes through a slump and the fans plus press eat him alive.
They didn’t want to exceed the luxury tax last year so that they could reset at the lowest penalty percentage, which they did. They will almost certainly now go over the cap at the lowest luxury of ax level.
If you don’t want to be in a bad position, don’t sign a long deal. Go with 2-year deals your whole career.
I don’t blame him for not wanting to go through a rebuild, but I won’t feel bad if he has to. He signed a deal to make him stupid rich, they gave him security, he should fulfill his side.
He’s not demanding a trade, so much as indicating a willingness to accept one. People would complain about him begin selfish if he said that he would block a trade
In fairness to Stanton he never talked about not wanting to go through a rebuild until the rumors of him being traded surfaced. He was asked whether he wanted to stay or go and he said he didn’t want to go through a rebuild. If it doesn’t come up, he probably says nothing.
So should the team with trying to field a championship caliber team.
I agree and strongly dislike player opt outs.
Player opt outs are negotiated. The player gives up additional guaranteed money in the deal in exchange for the right to bet on themselves that when the opt out period hits, they will be able to make even more.
Let’s take Jason Heyward’s contract for example. He gave up more guaranteed money elsewhere (according to reports), but received the opt out provisions in his contract. In hindsight, based upon his performance to date, he probably should have taken more money. That being said, I am sure the Cubs are happy they are committed to fewer dollars (no matter what delusional fans want to say his defense is worth).
Well to be fair, the Cubs front-loaded that deal and they’re paying him $28 mill a year up until the opt-out. His earnings potential was higher taking this deal with the Cubs as opposed to another deal with an opt-out. He’s making more his first 3 years with the Cubs than if he signed with another team.
And the opt-out will not be exercised by Heyward, considering the sub-par years he has had. This might be one of the worst contracts in baseball come next year or two. After the Cubs get done paying him $28.2mm this year, the Cubs will still be on the hook for 5 years, $106mm. For JASON HEYWARD!
Is the worst contract in MLB…
As long as they’re winning Cubs fans will say that about his defense…
Heyward’s contract is not really that “Front-Loaded”. It is actually a rather evenly distributed contract.
’18 = 21.5 M
’19 = 20.0 M
’20 = 21 M
’21 = 21 M
’22 = 22 M
’23 = 22 M
’24 = FA
Not Delusional to say the Heyward contract is a huge overpay!
Might be? It WAS the worse contract the day it was signed!
Fielder and Pujols say “hello.”
“Is the worst contract in MLB…”
Heyward’s? While it’s a bad contract, it’s far from the worst. Boston is still paying Pablo Sandoval for the next two years, and Rusney Castillo for a bit too. However, baseball’s WORST contract belongs to Miguel Cabrera, who’s still owed more than Heyward’s entire contract was worth. He’s great, a HOF’er, but that was a stupid contract from the day it was signed. Heyward’s you could understand, and while it looks bad it’s not baseball’s worst.
Jason Heyward’s contract is indefensible.
BTW, who signed Carl Crawford to that $140 million deal? Crawford is the worst contract in MLB history.
Kei Igawa says “Hi”.
I still think Pujols’ deal holds that crown.
where are the cubs now?
Well kbarr in your silly analysis you purposely did not list the two front loaded years which were 2016 and 2017
Miggy, though a solid producer could take honorable mention with the last 7 years of his contract.
And who signed Miggy to the deal? Trader Dave–the same guy that is going to trade Betts and other you talent to bring his buddy to Boston. He can make Miggy the DH. Trader Dave never worries about overpaying tomorrow and tying up a franchises’ future.
Are you delusional? If Dombrowski even thought for a second of trading Betts for Cabrera, the people of Boston would kill him.
I dislike opt out too, personally I would rather see more mutual options in contracts where the team can exercise an option but the player can reject it – I think it makes for a happier dugout.
A mutual option is almost a guaranteed end of the deal. All the reasons one side has to pick their side up, are reasons for the other side to decline.
Sir, you should know better than to try logic around here.
That makes no sense. Its not mutual if the team can simply be denied an option. Its only mutual if the team can also opt out
If you don’t want to be in a bad position, don’t sign no trade clauses with your players. Go with 2 year deals for everyone.
These players make the teams stupid rich, they provide the product they are selling, they should fulfill their side.
You only offer two year deals to players you will quickly have a bad team. Good players want long term security.
the smarter thing is to lock down young players in fairly long term – like 5 year deals and such. You gamble a little that the player will work out based on a 1 or 2 year sample but in the long run you can end up paying a pretty inexpensive price for a superstar if it woks out – if not you lose a lot less than a bad free agent signing.
When a person, business, or group is paying you in the millions you’re the guy who should be doing your end of the deal. Going through interviews and openly talking about how you don’t want to be with a team is BS. Don’t sign something if you’re not going to be ok with the potential negatives.
It’s really not difficult. Someone gives you millions of dollars, you don’t put them in the news in a negative light.
The marlins fo does a fair job of making their organization look like rubbish. Don’t blame the guy for being honest.
What if the Team “changed what they were doing”?
What if Loria “Lied to Stanton”….to get him to sign the contract?
From what we were told here in So Florida, Stanton didn’t want to sign a Long-Term Deal with the Marlins, because of Loria’s incessant lying. They promised Stanton that “they would build a Team around him”…..and they started to. They also said that Stanton insisted on the Opt-Out in case Loria “went back on his word”……and that’s exactly what happened.
If you don’t want to be placed in a bad situation don’t sign long term deals…. even if you’re lied to, you can escape it. You sign a contract like he did, he’s guaranteed that money, he’s not guaranteed the team is ever a contender.
True, but it’s simply another way to customize contracts, and attract Free Agents. Have you ever had to negotiate a contract before? Typically the two sides want the same result for different terms, and they have to each compromise to get a deal done. I’ve done that my whole life. Rarely does “One Get Everything They Want”. But BOTH sides agree to the Final Terms.
I still believe that “Your Word” should be worth something (it is….it’s tied to your integrity as a Human Being)
In addition…….Players and Teams often benefit from an Opt-Out clause….
If The Marlins keep Stanton until he Opts-Out……it will be the same as him signing a 6/107 Mil contract, with a player option to stay for another 7/218 Deal. They get an excellent deal on his 1st 6 years, and if he does leave, they are “off-the-hook” for he heavier payments.
It’s the New MLB…….get used to it. Harper and Machado will probably have a couple Opt-Out Options in their contracts.
Top landing spots for him include:
Dodgers due to where he grew up
Yankees, although they would have to trade a few others to accommodate him
Red Sox, would have to trade others including one of their young, cheap outfielders
Blue Jays, RF replacement for Bautista and the face of the franchise
Those are the teams that can easily afford him, but, almost every team would want him. Some just are not viable like Oakland and Tampa and San Diego. He needs to go to the AL because at some point he will need to play first and DH.
Tow other teams that have interest that could easily handle the contract are the Phillies and Cardinals. But from what I’ve heard he’d block both.
I wonder if the Nats…..who will probably be losing Harper after ’18…..would Bite on Stanton to solidify their OF. Werth is off the books ($21 Million last year)…..
they almost made it in ’18……replacing Werth with Stanton just might make that difference up?
Stanton plus Scherzer. In a more-becoming-a-salary-cap-league. Yikes.
LMAO…..You are so right…..YIKES!!!
They’ll hope that Stanton Rakes for 3 years and Opts-Out after 2020….just before those “$15 Million deferred payments” to Scherzer start showing up every year from 2022 – 2028……Wow!!!
While I do not think the Phillies will trade for Stanton (and they shouldn’t), if the Marlins and Phillies reach an agreement Stanton will not block it. Sure, he wants to play for a winner, but let’s see…Leave Miami for a team in a major market that has resources, has shown a willingness to spend big time on payroll, and has been a winner more recently than most of baseball, and has young prospects and a team on the rise? Stanton would gladly waive his no-trade to come to Philly (after some posturing to get some extras or whatever).
However, it’s most likely he ends up in Boston or St. Louis.
You may be right but I’d be very surprised if he didn’t veto a deal to both Philly and St. Louis. I also don’t think Boston will want the luxury tax penalty.
Never heard that he would block from the Cardinals. Sources please!
He’s made it very clear that his preference is to play on one of the Coasts. I’m sure there’s been a ton of assumptions that “He won’t go there, because it’s NOT on the coast”.
Nothing confirmed until he nixes a deal there. I think they have the biggest need and the best possible package to acquire him.
The Blue Jays aren’t. Adding Stanton by himself would put their payroll higher than it was in 2017. So they’d have no room to add anyone else. Their team is cratering. They are old and would need everything to go right to contend in 2018 and then they have key free agents after that. They need to do a rebuild.
The Dodgers, Red Sox, and Yankees aren’t looking to take on a contract of that size right now. They can afford it but it’d mean a change in strategy. The Cardinals, mentioned below, would struggle absorbing Stanton’s contract. Their highest payroll ever is $148 million and BR has them at $133 million now.
The Cardinals would not struggle absorbing Stanton’s contract. Their new TV deal starts in 2018, giving them an additional $50m of payroll. The yearly payout will continue to grow with an annual escalator, ending in 2032 with roughly $86m.
The Cardinals might have their revenue go up in 2018, but I don’t believe they’ve said that their payroll will go up along with the TV deal. That’d certainly be a reason for it to go up but until it does it’s safer to assume they’ll spend no more than they’ve historically spent.
You shouldn’t say that too loud though. The Cardinals plead poverty due to a small market so that they can get revenue sharing money and compensation picks.
They are a small market team BUT have the biggest fan base in the Midwest.
The cardinals could easily afford to spend at the luxury cap level, they havent because they dont just spend money to spend it, but given their two year hiatus from the playoffs, they need to spend and likely will.
I’m not disputing that the Cardinals could spend to the luxury tax level. I’m questioning whether they would. They haven’t come close so far. Unless you have a quote from John Mozeliak saying they’ll have a higher payroll in 2018 we have no reason to think they’ll top 2017.
The Phillies are the best-situated to afford Stanton’s contract, with less than $4MM on the books for 2018 and the capacity to run payrolls up to the CBT without too much financial risk (TV deal worth about $100MM/year). They also don’t have many departing players (though they’ll certainly want to add FA/trade talent in a few key areas like SP and late-innings BP), and a couple of highly-touted prospects in the high minors that could be in line for a promotion to the Bigs this year. They also don’t owe much in arbitration raises, since more than half of their 40-man was pre-arb this year.
The Yankees have $117MM committed ($95MM if Tanaka opts out), but they have to be careful if they want to dip back under the CBT because that’s for 7 (6) players, and they need to look at potentially-significant arbitration raises (Gregorius, Betances, Warren, Gray) as well as a few departures that may be big shoes to fill (Frazier, Holliday, Sabathia, Garcia).
The Red Sox have $158MM committed for 7 players, plus a number of pending arb raises (Bogaerts, Pomeranz, JBJ, Kelly) and a few departures to fill (Young, Moreland, Reed, Abad, Nunez), so they’re pretty much a lock to not get under, but they’re going to want to plan for doing so in ’19 and ’20 due to the new penalties for exceeding, which would be tough with a contract of Stanton’s size.
The Blue Jays have $87MM committed (assuming mutual Bautistia option isn’t picked up) for 7 players and only a few arbitration raises, plus a couple of notable departures, so they’re likely positioned to acquire a salary like Stanton’s. They’re probably the second-easiest to handle it, between their usual salary expenditures and CBT space.
The Blue Jays have announced they are not picking up Bautista’s option. They also have the richest owners in baseball in Rogers communications. They dominate all cell phone and cable rights in all of Canada. The Jays avg 39k per night which is tops in the AL I believe. They travel extremely well and regularly take over ball parks in Seattle, Detroit and others with their fans. They have crazy high viewership for their games which exceeds any other team from what I read. They are making plenty of money and can easily absorb Stanton’s contract, if they want to. They have Donaldson, Happ, Estrada, and other contracts off the books after next year and two superstars in the making in Vlad Guerrero Jr and Bo Bichette arriving possibly this year and definitely the year after. The future is bright.
Not everyone wants to move to Canada. Tax implications could be extreme. Stanton is a So. California raised kid……..What interest would he have in Toronto…..or Cleveland…..Winter Sucks for Baseball Players.
Going out on a Limb and say that “There’s No Way That He Waives His No-Trade Clause To Go THERE!!!”
Those prospects are years away…
You must be taking notes from the Cardinals’ fan listing a bunch of reasons why the team has so much money that they can spend so much more. I’ll stipulate I don’t know how much money the Blue jays have and can afford. I do know how much they’ve spent in the past and this year’s $163 million was their most ever.
If they return their current team they’ll be around $135 million. So adding Stanton is something they can afford to do but they won’t be able to do a lot more. They had two position players above 2.0 fWAR this year. One of them is in the last year of his deal and the other was a surprise.
They have a decent rotation with two good young starters and two older starters who will be free agents. Nothing great there. I don’t see them being better than they were in 2017 and most of these players won’t be better in 2019 either.
Guerrero and Bichette are top prospects, but both spent most of the year at low A. They aren’t that close to the Majors. they might get there in 2019, but only if they have no stumbles. It might be 2020. And if they get there then they might struggle for a year or two before becoming good. Josh Donaldson hit the Majors in 2010 but wasn’t good until 2013.
Look at J.P. Crawford. He, like them, was a top prospect. in 2014 he played at low and high A like these two. He won’t be a regular until 2018. If they follow his path it could be 2021. And there are so many things that could go wrong between now and when they hit the Majors.
Guerrero and Bichette aren’t players anyone should be counting on until they play well at AAA.
You’re definitely right about PHI being best positioned to take on Stanton’s contract. They really want Yelich as well, so I see the makings of a potential blockbuster deal.
The Phillies have one player under long term contract, Herrera. Yelich is a similar player albeit one that’s more expensive. The Phillies have two young OFs who had very good offensive seasons. I could see them replacing one player with an established veteran but not two. No way they trade for both.
The Anaheim Angels need some extra pop in that line up.
Dombrowski will not be able to resist his habit for emptying the farm to acquire a big name. Would be a departure for DD not to undertake this task. Good luck in Boston, GS.
The worst part is the lack of assurance that he won’t just opt out in two years. In all honesty, whether the team he is on at the time is good or not, why wouldn’t you opt out and let everyone bid on you? In my opinion, the only way he doesn’t opt out is if he gets hurt.
The Opt-Out is AFTER 2020……so whoever trades for him this season gets him at least for 3 seasons…..at 3/$77 Mil. After that it’s a Crap Shoot.
The way i see it there are only 2 teams that could\would be able to pull this off, the DODGERS IF they loose the world series, and the
BOSTON REDSOX, Boston will not be under the luxury tax threshold this year either way, and they need a player like Stanton to fill Ortiz shoes/roll, there TV ratings dipped last year, and they need that pop he brings! Look for Miami to eat some money on the deal for a better package, I can see jbj, e.Rod, Travis, and a few minor leaguers to get the deal done and Miami picks up 100mm out of the 295mm remaining, no one will pick up the wholebill, the Phillies would but Stanton will block that. Also the previous commenter is correct this move is right up dombrowski’ avenue. Ex) the miggy trade
Travis…come-on-man he has no value and it would take a better haul then JBJ and Erod..
Miami isn’t gonna eat that much salary.
See I don’t see the Dodgers being in regardless. I actually think no matter what they probably churn this winter. They are at the place where they are going to drop significant dead weight from payroll and could potentially drop a significant amount more and be in terrific shape. I think the storyline is nice one. I just don’t think it’s a major need. It’s an interesting thought although talk about a team going from one extreme of handiness to another.
Nor do I. Stanton may be one of the few players to hit a ball over the pavilion roof (a feat the fans would love to see him repeat in blue) but the Dodgers have too many future OF options to take on that big honking contract, especially with the opt-out wildcard. Speaking of opt-outs, the Dodgers are going to have to make a serious pay-to-play decision this offseason with Kershaw’s coming up. Difficult to imagine them doing both.
Yeah agreed, it would take way more than that. Try Groome, Chavis, and Shawaryn if Miami eats anywhere that kind of money. And hell it might take that if they eat 40mm.
Groome and Chavis is worse than Bradley and Rodriguez
What??? How? Jbj has only had one good year and is clearly overrated, that talent ship as sailed, plus less years of control. E rod could be solid but think White Sox rebuild, screw major league pieces that havent performed. Would much rather have higher ceiling talent.
Jbj is a great defensive talent with middle of the road offensive output. Think you and cheap, one of Marlins needs
Bradley is neither cheap nor one of the Marlins’ needs. He figures to get over $7 million in arbitration next year and that’s the sort of salary the Marlins are trying to get rid of. He also only has two years of club control and the Marlins need players with more than that.
The Marlins already have a $7 million CF. If they wanted one they wouldn’t be interested in trading Yelich. They certainly don’t need two.
Yea why would a rebuilding team choose JBJ(though good with the glove is weak with the bat,and Erod (who hasn’t impressed) over high ceiling prospects. Marlins can definitely do better prospect wise then Boston and financially.
If Miami is picking up $100M on Stanton’s contract the package starts with Betts, and that’s not happening. Likely they’ll have to eat 30% to get a decent return. The only way a team would pick up the entire contract would be if the Marlins get a minimum return.
If the choices are the Marlins have to either pay 30% or get a minimum return they’ll do the third choice and hold Stanton.
why should miami take any major leager? betts? no, they want prospects.
I think they want whatever Red Sox fans decide they want to trade for him.
Have Jeter get with John Daniels and work out a trade or something. Cause the Rangers needs all the help they can get. The Rangers just need like the fish do to is fresh rebuild. From the ground up. Have a big sale everyone must go sale. For both teams
a) Marlins shouldn’t eat a single dollar. They are not trading a negative value. Stanton had one of the best seasons by a hitter in decades and is coming into his prime. In comparison to the likely numbers that Harper, Machado and others will sign will make Stanton’s deal look even more reasonable. The length of the contract is the concern not the annual dollars.
b) If traded then I imagine starting pitching has to be the main target so all of these (enter the name of your washed hitter here) are for naught. If you don’t fork over pitching prospects or mlb starters then no Stanton for you.
I think they’ll be looking for a combination of pitchers and hitters………with the emphasis on the quality of the Pitchers.
Cardinals still have the best package of prospects to acquire Stanton in my eyes. That doesn’t men that they’ll get him, of course.
Flaherty, Hudson, Diaz, Bader, Sierra, Gomber, Wisdom, and O’Neill are all excellent prospects, and the Cards would move Grichuk in a blink in addition to 2-3 of those players.. Marlins could get more than 3 if they eat $50 Million, but I think they’ll take a lower return and Pay Nothing.
Agree. The Marlins goal here is to unload 100% of that contract without concern for what comes back. They’ll still be able to deal Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, Gordon, and maybe Bour for the prospects they need to start the rebuild. They’re going to need a lot because that farm system is super thin on talent.
The opt-out and the number of years on the other side of it is a major wrinkle. Believe the Marlins would have to commit to some part of that money if they want much in return.
I agree. I think the deal would have to have a clause that says something like……
“If Stanton Opts-Out…..We’re Square”
But……….
“If Stanton doesn’t Opt-Out…….Marlins pony up $50 Million”
It is such a huge commitment to take on that contract, when you could probably sign 2, or maybe even 3 .300 hitters that each hit 20-25 home runs a year. They wouldn’t have the star power that GS has, but would be possibly more consistent. GS would fill alot of seats at the ballpark for sure.
Gotta a funny feeling the Fish will eat if not the majority of G.S. Contract just to trade him off for a .300 hitter like Napoli
That defeats the purpose of trading him. Their farm isn’t good, but the reason they need to move him now is because of his salary and how leveraged the new ownership group is.
Napoli is NOT a 300 hitter any more
I can see the Astros making a play, but only if Stanton waives the opt out. I’m not sure if he would or could do that, but he’d be an amazing addition to the lineup.
Mr. Met sobs uncontrollably;.
“Why? Why must we endure the theft and outright looting by Fred Wilpon?”
Stanton responded unfavorably, when Jimmy Kimmel mentioned the Mets as a possible landing spot.
Stanton Likes To Hit Against Them A LOT. ….He won’t go there.
He loves Colorado…..LOL
Of the top 20 free agent contract only 4 would be considered worth it. Teams today are better off trying to improve their teams through trades first, the draft next, and free agency third. The formula for contending teams seems to be getting good players at the deadline to put them over the top. Free agents are the worst way to improve a team.
What teams have been “put over the top” by players they acquired at the deadline?
That’s the best way to deplete your farm for little to nothing in return.
1. JD Martinez – D-Backs 2017
2. Randy Johnson – Astros 1998
3. Hunter Pence – Phillies 2011
4. Curt Schiling – D-Backs 2000
5. Mark McGuire – Cardinals 1997 (they extended him and he hit 70 HR’s the very next season (1998), and 65 in 1999.
matt holliday
Add Justin Verlander to my List.
I think they just said that He’s 9-0 as an Astro – 5-0 in the Regular Season……and 4-0 in the Playoffs……WHIP = 0.65…….and a 43/5 K/BB ratio……………..WOW!!!!!!!!! THAT’s a serious “Return On Investment”….might be one of the Best Ever.
Jeter moving Stanton would be the biggest move of the winter.
Slider32………care to expound on your statement? I think it’s pretty obvious that ANYTHING that happens with Stanton this winter will be “Headline News”
The Marlins almost have to eat a chunk of the contract. Teams are going to balk at taking on his huge contract & giving up top prospects. There are teams that have the prospects to get a deal done & then there are teams that can take on the salary. The Yankees & Phillies certainly have both, but the Yankees are unlikely to take on that contract with the 2018 free agent class coming & there is no guarantee Stanton would go to Philly. The Giants will be in on Stanton, but I’m not sure they have enough assets to get a deal done. The Cardinals are known to be in the market for a power bat. The Red Sox need a power bat as well, but I wonder what kind of package they can put together. They traded a lot of top prospects in deals in recent years. Yes, the Blue Jays have a hole in right field, but I don’t see the Jays adding that big of a contract. I think they would be more interested in Christian Yelich than they would be in Stanton. As for the Dodgers, they have no need to make a deal for Stanton. They are just fine without him & have no need to give up assets to get him.
The Marlins’ objective is to cut payroll. If they trade Stanton and have to pay part of the contract in 2018 they won’t be cutting that much payroll. Why would they make a deal that won’t accomplish their goal? The alternative is to hold Stanton and trade Gordon, Yelich, and Ozuna. They’d also deal Ziegler, Tanzawa, and Prado, although they’d have to pay part of those deals.
Of course Stanton won’t be happy if they trade everyone except him.
I have a feeling Stanton will give a very short list of teams he would be willing to be traded to. I would bet they would be the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, and Angels. He is from Southern California and he holds all the power. The fact is, the team can’t get to the salary level they want with Stanton on the team. Unfortunately the Marlin fans lose another one.
As a Giants fan, it hurts me to say that no team matches up better than the Dodgers with Miami. Not to mention, it’s likely his #1 choice if traded (grew up a dodgers fan).
I see the Dodgers trading Alex Verdugo and Joc Pederson for Giancarlo Stanton. This just makes too much sense to me from both ends. This will give the Marlins the most athletic outfield in all of baseball for years to come. This would also position them to trade Marcel Ozuna for a few pieces in pitching and or infield young players as they see fit.
I agree on Pederson, but the Marlins need some solid pitching prospects in return. I can see them taking Joc, then wanting a guy like Sheffield, White, or Beuhler….plus D.J. Peters.
The Dodgers will have some leverage there, but their real question would be “Who Plays RF? Will they move Puig or Stanton to LF? Or do they trade Puig to some other team (I don’t see that being as likely as it was earlier this season)
If the Dodgers give up on Pederson then I can’t see them also throwing in Verdugo, who it seems they expect to be their CF of the future. Couple of other show-stoppers here, including Stanton’s colossal opt-out and the pending opt-out for Kershaw. If Stanton really has a strong preference for going to LA he will have to use his no-trade clause like a hammer on Miami and get the Dodgers a deal they can’t refuse. Otherwise I don’t see it happening.
Pederson is less attractive than Verdugo. He’s coming off a replacement level season and is arbitration eligible. I think your thought should be reversed. If the Dodgers are trading Verdugo would they also include Pederson?
Jeter isn’t going to take a bad deal from the Dodgers even if Stanton says he’ll only go there. And it’s really doubtful that he would. Stanton hasn’t given any indication that he’s limiting where he’ll go other than he doesn’t want to do a rebuild. If Jeter believes the best deal for his team is with a different contender, I don’t see how Stanton says no. The alternative is to be part of their rebuild.
As a Red Sox fan I want NOTHING to do with Stanton! I would much rather Dombrowski sign JD Martinez and Eric Hosmer for less than what Stanton is owed and don’t have to trade any prospects,
To Angels for Bridwell and the guy who replaced Trout while he was injured.
With Trout, Upton, Stanton, Pujols batting 2,3,4,5. Yowza
I’m with you, Kevin. Sign JD and keep the pieces the team would trade (Benintendi & ERod, pieces form the recently-depleted farm). Roster-wise unfortunately JBJ would be the one to go, but the guy has value. Hosmer and JD in one year might be tough, maybe look to YAlonso or another versatile piece to play 1B. With Pedroia out til June/July and a 3B with half a yr experience, overall roster health may be improved by 2 more versatile signings (nuñez, Alonso) instead of a single Hosmer. This is all assuming they wanna stay sub luxury tax, they go over then hell just build your fantasy roster