The Cardinals have a meeting scheduled with representatives of star Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, according to Jon Morosi of MLB.com (Twitter links). The 2017 NL MVP, who is being shopped as the Marlins seek to trim payroll, has the ability to block any trade by virtue of his full no-trade rights.
Yesterday, Stanton’s reps sat down with the Giants’ brass, so it seems that at least these two organizations have obtained authorization from Miami to discuss their pursuit of Stanton directly with his camp. Tonight’s news rather clearly indicates that there is no deal in place with San Francisco, so it seems there’s still time for the situation to develop before Stanton ends up changing hands. (Of course, it’s also still possible that won’t come to pass.)
With respect to the Giants, there’s also no reason to believe they are out of the race. To the contrary, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald tweets that Miami is still eyeing some of San Francisco’s young talent. He says the Marlins are looking specifically at top Giants prospect Heliot Ramos as well as righty Tyler Beede, first baseman Chris Shaw, and catcher Aramis Garcia — along with major league second bagger Joe Panik. That’s not to say that all of those players would be included in any prospective deal, of course; rather, it seems those are the names in play at the moment.
While it’s within the Marlins’ rights to allow other teams to speak with Stanton, it seems there are at least some parameters to be minded. Per ESPN.com’s Buster Olney, via Twitter, MLB rules require that the team “have a general understanding on trade terms.”
All things considered, this is rather an unusual state of affairs for a trade candidate. But in a year in which Shohei Otani has been recruited like a five-star high school athlete, perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising to see anther unique situation arise.
Certainly, Stanton is a fairly unique asset. Beyond the fact that there’s an opportunity to grab a 28-year-old player who is arguably the game’s preeminent power hitter, his contract creates quite some opportunity and risk. Stanton is owed another $295MM on his long-term deal but also has the right to opt out after three seasons.
Seems much more likely that he accepts the giants trade than the cardinals since he prefers west coast.
Could marlins have any chance to convince Stanton to go to St Louis if their deal is better than SFs?
tell him to SF deal is off the table, i guess
I really don’t get that though. The Giants are not going to be competitive though. They really need to rebuild, not go all in for a wild card. Also I really don’t get why living on the west coast matters. During the season you are spending 3 months on the and 3 months at home. They don’t get a whole lot of off days to be hitting the clubs. And then in the offseason he can live where ever he wants. It makes more sense to me to play for a winner. Clearly that would be the Dodgers if that were an option, but if it’s not the cardinals are a better choice than the Giants.
Its pretty much an assumption that isn’t really valid, because of the poor state of affairs. To me its pretty 50/50 looking at it, maybe a bit edge for STL. You can have somewhat location or competition where you’re the star.
west coast teams also have spring training in arizona. much closer to home than florida
Political climate could always be a factor as well. Missouri and California are vastly different in that regard.
REALLY?!?! Politics? Come on dude.
I don’t like to talk bad about other commenters but this is one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.
If politics were case idiotic SF would not be my choice ,They just let a convict walk free of clear murder.
Maybe he carries a Gen 4 Glock, or likes to shoot mean black guns.
Speaking of politics, Stanton’s income tax in California would be nearly 50%. Something to think about.
Doesn’t he currently live in Miami year-round? So moving to L.A. would be going back to his hometown, but I don’t know that spring training in Arizona matters much to him if he’s with the Giants.
If he doesn’t go to play in L.A., I don’t know for sure where he’d live in the offseason.
Mreet
You have no idea who the Giants are. What they are. They will
Be right back into contention. They have money and drive to win a FOURTH WS. Giants shouldn’t have to convince Stanton. If he’s too stupid to want to come here they’ll manage this off season and spend huge with the next crop of elite FA’s plus their #2 pick. They’ll be just fine. Haha.
Reality is about to smack you in the face. It did to the Tigers this year, not sure why giants don’t see it.
The Giants are not just one player away from being relevant . They need a total rebuild! Wait and see!
Giants need alot of help, 3rd, 2nd left,right center.field .after bum and Moore their rotation is garbage.
2nd half of 2016 Giants had worst record in baseball. In 2017 SF tied for worst record in baseball. So 9 months of decline for SF is a decline.. Expecting one player to reverse that decline is a huge gamble at best.
Being “home” where you want to be has nothing to do with partying and hitting Clubs. Those 3 months being home are huge. Its where you are comfortable and have your friends family and support staff
My god you think he wants to go to the West Coast to go club hopping?
Setting clubbing aside, though, how much do players really get to hang out with their friends during the regular season? They play a game almost every day. A player’s normal schedule is to be at “work” in the evening, so the schedule is almost completely the opposite of anyone with a 9 to 5 job. The 3 months that you are in your home team’s city are week or so stretches at a time with travel for a road trip, than another homestand, rinse and repeat. Even a lot of the off days are tied to travel schedules as travel days or to have time to rest up after getting back on a flight from across the country at 3 in the morning.
Stanton doesn’t have kids, so it’s not like he’s trying to figure out a place that he can live year-round so that he can keep his kids in school and still see them when home in April, May, and September.
If the Dodgers are so great in your eyes how come they can’t win the big game?????
If they to get Stanton and McCutcheon in center I believe the Giants have a chance. We all know when it comes to winning the World Series they do a better kid then the Dodgers. GO GIANTS
A better job!!
Lets look at what we DO know. Stanton prefers to be close to home – LA is home not San Fran and certainly not St. Louis. He wants to play for a contender – Giants are not a contender and will likely handcuff themselves in the future if they take on his entire contract. St. Louis is just missing a piece or two. Im sure at this point Stanton has told his team to find out both teams plans and the Cardinals are apparently going to be the most active this offseason. They are even linked to Ohtani. Considering STL will be a strong contender for the next 3 year with Stanton, Im thinking they have the best shot at him. Chance to win in the next 3 years and opted out if he truly wants to go to LA or any west coast contender at that time.
Everyone is linked to Ohtani.
Oh I know but the Cardinals were the very first
local tv here is saying Stanton’s biggest hang up with giants is the lack of winning this past year, no money to bring in F/A and no promising prospects in the pipeline. It’s a toss up where he wants to go.
Not to mention they are going to have to pay Mad Bum in a few years.
Dodgers swoop in on the last minute to scoop him up
Comes down to a state income tax of 12% in California. For 395 million that’s a lot. Go to St Louis and by a plane
Missouri has a state rate of 6%. Considering it can cost about $4 million per year to run a private jet. The cost savings are not really that much, if there really are any at all.
I figured the Giants meeting was a precursor. People read to much into their meeting. Now I assume others will do the same here.
“we want you to pick up where Albert left off.”
Pretty much
During those days, Albert wasn’t injure 60% of the season.
This erases any thoughts of the possibility of a giants deal soon. Now its just procedural meeting
Regardless of what Giancarlo decides I hope he makes a decision that fits his goals
If that is home then Giants
If he wants to win then Cardinals
dodgers is his home and giants aren’t going to get and cardinals probably not but Dodgers are going to get him or the cardinals are but the dodgers are the most likely choice
This deal needs to happen soon, as a Cardinals fan I would like him to come here but as a baseball fan I just want him to get dealt so all these teams can move on to their next moves. I think his best option is STL but a have a bad feeling he will wind up in San Fran. Of course the Dodgers could make an offer and Stanton would except but are the Marlins gonna get a deal from them that they like? I don’t know but StANTON just pick a team!
we’re not waiting on Stanton. were waiting on the Marlins to make a deal. Stanton can’t approve a deal that doesn’t exist.
^^^It seems people are forgetting this.
Or we are waiting on Stanton… How do you know that the Marlins don’t already have acceptable deals lined up with both the Giants and the Cardinals (or another team for that matter)? They very well could be waiting for Stanton to sign off on one of these teams, and these meetings could be their final pitches to Stanton and/or his reps.
Or they don’t have any deals in place, and these meetings are a way to get the Dodgers involved.
Bottom line is we have ZERO clue who we are waiting on. It could just as easily be either one of Stanton or the Marlins.
That sentence hurt my brain to read
Me winning isn’t. You do. – Ty Webb
Some good insight right there…
Solid take, solid prose, solid all round.
Thank you Stephen A Smith
10 bucks says he had to Google him.
What?
With these meetings, it seems like a decision will be made pretty soon.
I think Stanton would fit better in St. Louis, but knowing he prefers the west coast he may very well like SF more
The Comcast/Time Warner merger moved more swiftly than this process. What a production
Dodgers are going to wait another two years provided he performs as normal and no injuries. I think whoever Stanton signs with is going to agree to restructure contract that gives him opt out after 2 years. Stanton can’t lose with this, especially the money Harper and Machodo gets next offseason in free agency.
This is absurd.
So the Marlins aren’t getting any prospects back the ?
Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t sign till the week of the winter meetings.
He can’t sign. He’s already signed with the Marlins.
Well he can sign off on a trade.
Round and round we go
shouldn’t read too much into this.
The narrative that the Giants can’t compete is getting so tired
This isn’t a team with a ton of holes
YES – the outfield sucked last year
But it’s apparent the teams goal is to make an expensive platoon in left with Span and Pence, while bringing in hopefully Stanton and a speedy CF
I think their hope is for Steve Duggar to be knocking on the door by the end of the year, so a cheaper Billy Hamilton type makes sense, and is true to the teams pitching and defense mantra
I dont entirely endorse giving up Joe Panik because he’s young and cheap, but the window is RIGHT now, so if you get back a Dee Gordon, they’ll have some serious speed in the lineup
1. Gordon – 2b
2. Crawford – SS
3. Stanton – RF
4. Posey- C
5. Belt – 1B
6. Span/Pence – LF
7. Panda/Arroyo – 3b
8. Hamilton – CF
And that’s assuming they don’t go after a third baseman, which they’ve stated they want to improve
Add in a full season of Bumgarner, Cueto with less injuries, and a return to near .500 for Matt Moore and they are a strong squad
Sure-they need depth, could use another lefty in the pen, could use bench bats, etc-but give to act like this core is made up of 33-35 year old last chance over the hill players is a stupid narrative. When you have top five players at the position of catcher, short stop, starting pitcher, you have the core to compete. Adding 59 bombs to that only enhances the formula haha
That’s a lot of things that need to go just right for the giants to be good. Even a drastic improvement makes them a .500 team.
Aging and injured players typically get worse, not better. I will grant you that BUMs injury was a fluke, and he’s clearly still in his prime. They still need a CF and 3B, and probably another starter. Stanton may very well choose SF, but I think you’re kidding yourself if you think they have a better chance of being a contender in 2018 than the cardinals.
Aging players? The only 2 getting along in years are Span and Pence, and there’s reason to believe they can be an effective platoon. The core of Posey, Bum, Crawford, Belt, and Panik, if he’s not traded, will be 31 years old or younger. That’s fairly average for most teams and is still in a player’s prime.
They don’t really need another starter since Blach and Stratton will compete for the #5 spot. They’ll be getting back Melancon and Will Smith. Losing Bum, Smith, and Melancon to injury had a lot to do with the 2016 results. Cueto is an obvious bounce back candidate.
If the Giants get Stanton, it isn’t clear who then, between the Cards and Giants, has a chance of being the better contender. Just because the Cards had a more successful 2016 doesn’t mean things will stay that way going forward.
What does 2016 have to do with 2018? And like it or not, age 31 is past the prime. Why is cueto a bounce back candidate? I mean he could bounce back, but other than pure hope what’s the reasoning?
The Giants pitching staff as a whole is in a mess!
They still have a problem of lack of depth and a pretty poorly ranked farm system that compounds the lack of depth. And the lack of a good farm system just gets worse with whatever they give up for Stanton and if they do follow samadamans idea to trade for Hamilton or someone of that sort.
It’s possible that they could see some bounceback years and the Giants could be quite a bit better than last season. It’s also, possible, though that some of these 30-ish year old players just showed the first signs that they’re not going to age particularly well. Melancon’s situation is really scary, he has the dreaded forearm injury that is often a precursor to hearing that a pitcher needs Tommy John surgery.
I also wouldn’t assume that the Cardinals just stand pat if they don’t get Stanton. Maybe they trade for Yelich or Ozuna if the Marlins also trade one of them. Maybe they add one of the big name free agent starting pitchers. Maybe the Blue Jays or Orioles actually decide to trade Donaldson or Machado as 1-year rentals. Maybe they get Chris Archer from the Rays. They Cardinals are almost certain to make some meaningful free agent additions to the bullpen whether or not they get Stanton. They’re still a team with a lot of payroll flexibility and prospect trade chips.
The giants are tired and old
Great history and great organization but stanton alone is just near enough. Too many holes and weak farm system
You’re just repeating inaccurate platitudes that others have posted. Braves, Angels, Jays, and Royals are all older on average than the Giants. The Giants are the same average age as the Nats, Tigers, and M’s. They are only 2/10’s of a year older than the Astros. They’ll be younger at the end of the year when Span and Pence are gone. The only holes are CF, RF, and 3B. The farm is not depleted. It doesn’t have a lot of top 100 prospects, but does have a number of solid, if not spectacular, prospects.
These people epitomize the lame “what have you done for me lately” mentality. Best is when they compare the “aging” Giants to the aging Phillies of several years ago. The key being that the age of the Giants in 2018 lines up with the ages of the Phillies when they were winning 100 games a year. Which means the Giants sans rebuild will be old and bad like three years from now, not now.
I love everything you are preaching.
The giants were a last place team last year, not in the division in the entire game. There farm system is a bottom 5 farm system.. Their core is getting past their prime, and they lack the depth to support for injuries.
And you said it yourself, if everything goes well, they will have a return to a near 500 team, with Stanton. At best they are hoping then for the second wild card spot.. They would be battling the Rockies for 3rd place in the NL West..
I don’t get how that’s a desireable team for Stanton.
It’s a huge assumption that the D’backs will be as good in 2018 as this year. A ton of things, like the rotation being remarkably healthy, went right for them in 2016. JDM was a big part of their success, and he is not returning. Greinke, who’s way older than any Giant’s pitcher is due for regression. Don’t forget this same team lost 93 games in 2016.
The Rockies struggled after a good start, playing sub-.500 ball in the 2nd half. They always have pitching problems. Given the players returning, the money the Giants are willing to spend, and a core that, contrary to what some post, is still in it’s prime, it’s reasonable to see the Giants as a contender in 2018.
Switch Crawford and Hamilton in the lineup. Hamilton doesn’t need a good OBP in the 2 hole. He can always bunt Gordon over and the speed will make it hard to get double plays. Crawford bats better down in the lineup anyway.
The only way the Stanton deal works for SF is if they get Gordon and Yelich as well. Stanton is one BIG piece of the puzzle but the Giants have gapping holes that one guy isn’t going to fix. They are flawed in so many areas.
How about citing those areas that the Giants have gaping holes? Their holes are CF, RF, and 3B. If they land Stanton one of those is filled, and that would allow them to bring in a guy like Dyson. 3B base is a relatively easy fill,
Bullpen, 3/5 of their rotation, depth everywhere, farm to find holes mid season, budget.
The data doesn’t support your assertion. Here are the ranks of the Giants position players based on Fangraphs: C-2, 1B-16, 2B-19, 3B-46, SS-15, LF-54, CF-36, RF-30. Fangraphs includes more than 30 players who’ve played at a position, so that’s why the Giants have guys below #30.
The Giants have one hitter that’s better than middle of the road. Sure, if they acquire Stanton, Gordon, and Cain they’ll have four hitters who are top 10 at their positions. Until then their offense is awful. And they have one pitcher. Having two great players in Bumgarner and Posey gets you the worst record in the league.
There’s more to baseball than just hitting. The Giants have had success in the past building their teams around pitching and defense, Losing Bum, Cueto, Will Smith and Melancon, as well as Belt, and various utility, depth guys like Jarrett, Gillaspie, Slater, Arroyo, and Ryder Jones to significant time on the DL is also how a team with their philosophy finishes last.
Pitching and Defense? San Francisco Giants finished 40 games back last year . The NL West has changed . If you factor a healthy Bumgarner, Cueto, Melancon and insert career average numbers into last years equation, you still come up WAY short . You have to score runs !
Stanton in RF, Cain (or Jarrod Dyson) in CF, and Pence/Span platooning in LF would be a 50 run improvement on defense alone. That does not take into account the difference on offense and only includes the 3 OF positions.
In the infield, Gordon would be a 13 run improvement over Panik. Practically anyone would be both an offensive and defensive improvement at 3B.
So what would 60 plus runs saved mean in terms of additional games won? 15? 20?
What would a full season of both Bumgarner and Cueto produce in additional wins for the Giants? 66-68 starts and 400-420 IP from those two instead of the 42 starts and 250 IP the Giants got in 2017? Cain and Blach put up a 5.74 ERA and won 4 games during the period they were replacing Bumgarner and Cueto. So how many more games would Bumgarner and Cueto in those 26 starts? 10 more wins? 12 more wins? More?
Be conservative. Take the low end of those ranges. That is 25 more wins. That puts the Giants at 89 wins without including the increase in offensive output from Stanton and Gordon or any improvement in performance by the pitching staff.
It is also worth taking into account that the Giants would not be making this trade if they were not going all in to win for at least 3 years leading up to Stanton’s opt out. That means they would be opening the purse to spend on other FA to fill the holes at 3B, the back of the rotation, and the bullpen.
Old teams get worse..young teams get better . The Giants were the 4th oldest team in MLB last year . Not to mention that they’ve had the worst record in MLB since July 2016 . The Giants have a Talent problem. No farm system , HIGH payroll and sort of a dated front office that hasn’t clearly embraced quantitative analysis. The NL West is arguably the most competitive division in the National League . The Giants are not built to compete in the Division. This notion that they can add a bat or 2 and be back to prime form is nonsense. They’re awful . Fundamentally , they need to do a massive rebuild. And the FO’s resistance towards that just reinforces how inept and lost they are
Does this feel to anyone else like a final plea from either the Stanton camp to the Dodgers, or from MIA to the Cardinals for a better offer?
One of the 2 teams is being played.
It smells like stanton and the fish are reduced to 3 options. Stay in Miami and trade everyone else – or accept Giants or Cardinals
Dodgers don’t need him and he screws up their future payroll obligations too much. Yankees dont need him either
I wouldn’t count out Houston or Boston just yet!
Odd move for Boston because it almost requires another move to trade one of their young starting OF’ers.
Houston could do it, but taking his salary is an odd move for them longer-term because they’ve got plenty of payroll commitments to think about with Keuchel a free agent after 2018, Altuve after 2019, and probably trying to negotiate pre-FA extensions with Correa, Springer, and Bregman over the next few years. They look like they’ll be the favorite to win the AL West for the next few seasons even without Stanton, so it’s an odd use of resources for a team that should be trying to extend their window into the 2020’s, not maximize their peak now.
Dis ‘hot stove’ BS be gettin’ old. Nodin’ gotss’ta happened yet. Whicheva’ team gets Stanton, gotss’ta be so’ry in de end. He be only an ESPN highlight type player. Ah be baaad… He hits de long plantashun run, and sho’ nuff dey are fun t’watch, but how be his all around game? Bonds hit mo’e plantashun runs in de HISTORY uh baseball (steriods o’ not, it happened) and how many titles did dat brin’ t’PIT/SF? ZERO. Please plum trade dis diva so’s de rest uh baseball kin start makin’ trades.
uh, what?
Awesome!
Grammar, spelling, diction, syntax, noun/verb agreement and general content aside, a sound, well crafted, provocative argument.
10/10
Um… I don’t disagree?
Don’t worry guys, I speak jive.
Sho Nuff !
If dodgers don’t want him. It might be best for him to play against them in SF and make LA regret not trading for him.
Think about it your favorite team as a kid growing up ( The Dodgers) doesn’t want you after you win MVP and hit 59HR. Might create some bad blood and he might just want to destroy the Dodgers for passing on him in his prime. It would be blow to the young Dodger fan base. Young dodger fan, I hope I make it to the MLB some day and play for the Dodgers. But they don’t want one of their own fans. It would destroy kids in LA hoping to play for the Dodgers.
Either Dodgers man up and get him or the Giants will. STL isn’t an option.
Actually most analysts say that STL makes the most sense in terms of money, prospects, and need. So yes, STL is an option.
That’s good but Stanton has the power in any scenario. Does Stanton want to go STL if the dodgers don’t want him. Stanton doesn’t care about money or prospects. Marlins have no power. Stanton never demanded a trade.
Stanton’s power depends on how much he dislikes the idea of staying in Miami for a teardown/rebuild over the next three years (and then if he’d opt-out to accept less money if his performance or health isn’t great over the next few years). The Marlins could slash payroll without trading Stanton by trading Yelich and Ozuna and possibly packaging some of their bad contracts (Chen and/or Prado and/or Volquez) to accept a lesser prospect return. They can almost certainly trade Gordon but not for much return given his contract.
If Stanton prefers that to a trade destination that the Marlins pick, then he’s fine. If he doesn’t want to be in Miami for that teardown and rebuild, however, then it can become a game of chicken between Stanton and the Marlins.
For StL, prospects yes, but money no. The only reason SF is in contention for Stanton is because they’re willing to take on more of the contract. StL has a smaller budget and wants money from Miami to offset the big contract. Since Miami’s stated goal is monetary relief, as a step to a $90m payroll, SF makes more sense for them, better prospects or not.
StL has money. StL may have asked for Miami to pay it down to get the prospects the desire. Also StL has a new $Billion + TV that starts this year. Not saying SF doesn’t have deep pockets but you can’t honestly believe StL doesn’t either.
I think you’re overestimating the Giants financial advantage. In an absolute sense, the Giants bring in more money than the Cardinals.
However, they’re in the same ballpark–Giants are in top five of revenue and Cards are in top ten. Both teams are worth more than a billion dollars, pack their home ballparks, and earn healthy television contracts. Furthermore, Cards’ TV revenue goes from roughly $30M in 2017 to $55M in 2018. The yearly amount grows to $85M per year by the end of the 15 year deal. They are also getting equity into Fox Sports Midwest.
The Giants have shown more willingness recently to take on a higher payroll, as can be seen by them exceeding the luxury tax in the last three years. That may show a willingness to take on more of Stanton’s contract. However, the Cards have shown a greater willingness in recent years to take on sizable contracts, essentially finishing second in bidding on Heyward and Price and landing Fowler this past off-season.
In terms of finance, the Cards have greater room in their payroll–they’re currently under the luxury tax by tens of millions of dollars. Although the Giants are currently paying relatively little for exceeding the luxury tax ($3.4M in 2017) that percentages jumps substantially with the new CBA. Going past the threshold will now entail 20% tax the first time, 30% for the second, and 50% for the third. An additional 12% surtax on the overage between $20-$40M, and 42.5% for the first time on the amount that’s more than $40M over luxury tax limit and 45% tax the second time.. Granted, the luxury tax limit is rising from $189M in 2016 to $195M in 2017, $197M in 2018, and $206M in 2019.
Dodgers have more money than anybody and dont want to spend any of it,if stanton goes to giants the dodgers are done
Don’t want to spend it? Have you seen the Dodgers payroll? You’re ignorant.
No , if Stanton goes to SF the Giants are DONE. That 295 Million dollar contract will bury SF for the next decade
The Cardinals are his best chance to win and win now given the tepid interest that it would seem he has. He wants the Dodgers but on their end there is no fit and not enough payroll room. Stanton is also the Cardinals best chance to win now has he is the bat they need.
posturing by stanton to get dodgers interested.
three team trade. giants get stanton and gordon. marlins get two prospects from giants, and possibly panik. cardinals send piscotty to giants for brandon belt and send two-three prospects to miami for osuna.
Sounds good
Dumb
Have said from day one that its going to be a 3 way deal
What? Are you high? And I think you mean Ozuna?
Yes Ozuna, mr obvious and Cueto will be involved too.
Why wouldn’t the Cards just trade with Miami?
Cardinals make way more sense for Stanton than the Giants, but I’d rather trade them Ozuna. Keep Stanton for now
Man ill be so mad if the dodgers decide to not pony up.
Something like Kazmir and mccarthy, plus 3 top 20 prospects not named buehler or verdugo. Or 2 and like a brock stewart type idk. Just spitballing a basic framework. Could possibly improve upon stewart since we have a coupel other comparable depth chart options with years of control remaining. That one young LF dude who got hurt last yr who got hurt during the attempted no hitter
Idk how you dont just go out and pair the nl mvp to a lineup with seager turner and bellinger and friends. Heck even with 4 other replacement level hitters itd still be an average at worst lineup xD
But no its puig, taylor, top 3 mlb catching situation when include both, and like joc or forsythe as our worst. Dudes who can possibly put up 3 war are our worst.
Stanton seager turner bellinger top 4 through the order 4 out of 5 with taylor lead off
There has to be some wiggle room to make the marlins bend. Dont put us over the soft cap salary cap penalties and well give you some good stuff and 250 mill relief
Idc if stanton sucks his last 4 years out of 10. Mvp right now. We put up with carl crawford we can put up with the nl mvp.
Hell even nelson cruz is still swinging it at 37, not impossible he can remain productive till 37 or not embarrassing at least
Time is now
McCarthy and Kazmir? Are you really that clueless? Yes, the Marlins want to add payroll back on two crappy pitchers. They’d take Urias among others though. You don’t really follow baseball much do you?
All it would be is the marlins kicking in like 30 mil for one year. Then completely free from the contract
As opposed to them kicking in like 3 mil per year. Which is obviously more convinient for miami, but not an insurmountable gap or dealbreaker if the 3-4 other pieces are worthy.
Im not a gm, i clearly gave the caveat that i was spitballing.
Like id be open to urias and like the 2 other dudes ranked 15-25 ish in our system. Low A guys with high potential maybe?
Like get real. Nobody will pay 295 plus 3 top prospects.
Maybe pay 250 with a decent solid prospect return or 295 and relative low return after that
Is it so impossible that the dodgers be like: hey takes these dead contracts off of us so we can play the salary cap, and well totally make it worth your time with the return in comparison to possible STL and SF offer.
Theres a starting point like i proposed. And then theres give and take if both sides are truly serious
Dont act like the dodgers cant outbid STL and SF while only taking on 250-260 mil. Specially if stantons reps can make new exec jeter bend to their will with experience
The guy wants LA. Its just a question if the dodgers answers a call to arms
You have totally missed what is going on. The Marlins need to clear payroll for 2018 and 2019. Taking on any additional payroll is not going to happen, especially for often injured back of the rotation pitchers. It has been clear that they are asking for impact pitching prospects. Beede doesn’t quite fit that bill, but the Giants are willing to take on 100% of Stanton’s contract and are also willing to take on Gordon’s contract as well and include a controllable everyday 2B, Panik, in the trade.
If the Dodgers were willing to pay 100% of Stanton’s contract, they might get away with not including Buehler or Alvarez in a trade for Stanton. Otherwise, that is the level of player it would take as the main piece.
As a Cards fan from STL. I hope the Giants acquire him and not the Cards. I’m just not comfortable giving up the talent.
You should be. All that talent could prove to be nothing. The Cardinals need a star…not the next man up.
Well if they get Stanton it was a good run Cubs fans. They better make some major major acquisitions
Gettin serious I see
Blue Jays ship Donaldson to St. Louis for a combo of their C prospect what is it Kelly? Plus Flaherty or Weaver and a wildcard like SS Sosa.
Blue Jays take on Stanton contract in full plus throw in whatever prospect gets the job done.
Blue Jays sign Ohtani now that he sees they’ve committed to having Stroman, Stanton, Sanchez, Osuna all roughly his age to build together and the cap to fit them into the long term plans.
Why isn’t real life like the video games?
Neither one of those guys are going to Toronto! The Cards are not trading Kelly! Especially not for 1 year of Donaldson.
Ah yes one thing I left out was that in my head I saw the cards signing him to an extension as part of the deal. I know Kelly may sound like a lot but not if you compare to what star players have been going for these days. Prospects are big unknowns heck look what the Jays just got Diaz for a year removed from being viewed as a really nice piece to build around.
It is better to renew his contract, take a paycut and win in Miami, with a young core they can make it to the playoffs just add pitching. But that’s not happening. Jeter has taken things with the wrong foot. Some ugly moves.
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You must be stoned? You think his best move is to voluntarily give money back (take pay cut) to stay? Haha keep dreaming! Stanton is as good as gone!
It is curious that Stanton personally and his agents met with the Giants, who sent 3 execs while the Cardinals only got to meet with his agents.
One thing that is absolutely asinine is people claiming that there was not an offer, including money and players, that has been agreed upon in principle before these meetings. The Marlins would not be allowing Stanton to talk to any other team unless those teams had made a formal offer that fit the Marlins criteria for a trade.
Before the Giants and Cardinals were given permission to speak to him, the Marlins came to Stanton and said, we have offers in hand from these two teams that are agreeable to us. No one else has stepped up and made an acceptable offer and if we can’t get this done then we need to move on now and trade other players to meet our payroll goal. You obviously have the final say which teams you are willing to go to. Go meet with them. Let us know which you would prefer, waive your no-trade clause, and we will get the trade done to the team you choose.
The reports I’ve seen are that each team met with Stanton’s reps, not Stanton. Is there a link for a different report on the Giants?
I would hold Stanton for now. I think the Cardinals would make a lot of sense for Ozuna. Obviously, Weaver is probably off the table at this point, I’m not as high on Flaherty personally, and Reyes is injured and I doubt they’d be trading him either.
What about Ozuna, Barraclough, Ellington, Nicolino, and Ziegler+ $4.5 million to the Cardinals for Bader, Gallen, Gomber, Arozarena, and Helsley? Is that too many prospects in AA or higher going back? Would it have to be reworked to include Flaherty instead of 1-2 others? I’d be willing to trade Wittgren in deals, but he’s coming off an injury, so his value is down. Would the Marlins have to include someone like Conley b/c of less control on Ozuna than if they would have traded him during the season?
Cardinals have a good team, good young arms coming up, and a good legacy. The only con is that the Cardinals don’t have as much money as the SF Giants do.
I find it funny how overblown the idea of Stanton wanting to be closer to CA has become. He signed a massive extension with Miami because of a promise of sustained efforts to maintain in contention, the ability to opt-out if perennial contention didn’t happen, and large amounts of money. Don’t get me wrong, he wants to be closer to home, but that’s not even a tertiary motivator. And any team he agrees to be traded to will be closer to home than Miami.
His most clear motivation has been to compete for championships. He’s already getting paid no matter who he plays for; he can opt out after 3 years no matter who he plays for. He can’t compete with just any team though. The Cardinals make a lot of sense when you look at this way. I see the giants as being farther from contention, but if Stanton sees something we don’t, maybe he goes there. Regardless, it won’t be because of how short of a flight home it is; he’ll choose to win.
False. Boston is further from LA than Miami is.
Other than that, all true. (Maybe, I never checked.)
My speculation is that the Marlins are comfortable with taking either deal and are going to let Stanton choose his destination among the two.
He comes to LA and will be dating a Kardashian by end of the month
Like I said a year ago, He will go to The Bosoxs.
That picture they used of Stanton was the perfect expression on his face on the likelihood of him ending up in STL.
The idea of landing a great slugger like Stanton in phenomenal. The man wants to play in warm climate for a contender. He has a full no trade clause in his contract. He will go where he wants. The Giants are an interesting ft because they are (in recent times) been pretty good. But their lack of offence is disturbing and has been for some time. Their is no real power threat on the team and aside from Posey, their is no all-star caliber player on this team.. Hunter Pence’s tweet is him being a practical joker again. Pence and Stanton somehow are a formidable batting duo? this is not Maris and Mantle . This isn’t even close to Bench and Perez or even Olerud and Piazza. Pence is an average player at best and has been for some time now. Pence has an over inflated ego about his average and declining skills.
The Dodgers would be a good fit if they pony up the prospects and money.
The Padres are always rebuilding and are far from being a contender.
The D’Backs offer a warm climate and are a prospective playoff team going into 2018.
The Dodgers are the front runners and the D’Backs are the Wild Card choice.