1:05pm: The deadline to exchange figures has passed, and the Orioles did not announce deals for any of their seven arb-eligible players. Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweets that the two sides will likely continue to work on deals, adding that he doesn’t believe the team will strictly adhere to a “file and trial” strategy.
Note: the O’s have since reportedly agreed to terms with Britton, Brach, Machado, and others.
11:45am: The Orioles and Manny Machado will not agree to a salary prior to today’s deadline to exchange salary arbitration figures, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com (on Twitter). As Eduardo A. Encina of the Baltimore Sun wrote last year, Baltimore has been a “file and trial” club, meaning that they’ll cease negotiations on a one-year deal once those figures are exchanged and head to an arbitration hearing with Machado’s representatives at the MVP Sports Group. (MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes recently reported that all 30 clubs are employing a file and trial outlook in 2018.)
Machado, who will be a free agent next winter, is in his last offseason of arbitration eligibility and came with a projected arbitration salary of $17.3MM, per MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz. It’s unclear at what level the two sides will file their figures, and it also remains unclear if the O’s will avoid arbitration with any of their group. The deadline to exchange figures is only a few minutes away (1pm ET). In addition to Machado, the Orioles have Zach Britton, Brad Brach, Jonathan Schoop, Kevin Gausman, Caleb Joseph and Tim Beckham eligible for the arbitration process.
Machado’s name, of course, has frequently arisen in trade rumblings this offseason, though the lack of an arb agreement before the exchange point shouldn’t have an impact on the likelihood of a deal. At present, the Orioles’ reported asking price remains high, and no team has seemingly been able to find its way into advanced trade discussions with the O’s.
This should be interesting
Wonder if Donaldson agreeing to $23 mil with TOR might push Manny into asking for more money.
Doubt it does, but this will be interesting to see how it plays out
He has nothing to lose by trying but his down year will hurt his case a little. In the end he’s getting a huge contract next off season so it’s kind of moot. Plus he doesn’t have any mvp’s and whatnot to boost his case
Man the Os are really making it easy for Manny to walk away next year. They should be thanking him for his work and filling seats.
Filling what seats?
Attendance: 2,028,424 (12th of 15)
And this number might be high because the number of fans that bought tickets was higher than the fans who actually attended the games
Unless of course O’s fans are coming to games dressed as an ’empty’ seat!
It’s is shocking. Even in 2016 they couldn’t sell out in the middle of a playoff race
You don’t think Manny had anything to do with filling those seats?
Most of the people in the stands at Camden were yankee fans.
Thanking him for what? For leaving to a division rival next year? Good idea
Hasn’t left yet but the way the Os front office is handling this is making it much easier for him to join a rival. Now it seems to be affecting the fans. If I were an sos fan I would be mad that they havnt traded him for at least a haul of prospects.
Os fans*
Manny wants out and I want him traded.
Hopefully this issue speeds things up!
Wait until just before spring training and trade him for the best offer on the table. Something is better then nothing for him.
Yes, it is really time to get him out of Baltimore. He has put up somewhat good numbers and yet is more potential at this point then fully realized talent.
*than
Just suck it up and trade him.
Cardinals and yankees make most sense and trading him now has the most value cause they can extend the QO to at least recoup a pick and draft pool money.
If you can get
1 of sheffield or adams
1 of frazier or andujar
1 of acevado, perez, abreu
And another prospect idk why the Orioles would balk at getting control of hopefully 4 good pieces for 6 years for 1 of year of machado.
The Yankees won’t give up that much for machado when he could just be signed when he hits the market. That goes for any team to be honest
Problem with machado hitting the market is
1. Yankees lose picks and ifa money, which is imo steeper then losing a 1st
2. Yankees are already on the hook for 20+ mill owed to stanton and 20+ mill ellsbury. Unless they move ellsbury contract it is still the same issue theyre having thats preventing them from signing darvish. Looking at 2019 theyre only clearing $34 ish mill (gardner Robertson sabathia).
3. Rebuilding teams are 1 year closer. If a rebuilding team like the white sox has a brewers type run it expedites plans and they could pursue machado and offer more money. They have 40 mill projection come 2019.
4. 18 teams have lower pay roll projections come 2019. Yankees arent the only team thats gonna pursue machado. Trading for him now leasts gives them the QO to keep him and negotiate all season.
This is exactly what people forget. If the OS wait to deal Machado till a deadline rental they will get less because teams have less time to negotiate an extension and they would not get the QO when he walks. Being traded at the deadline would only be good for one person, Manny Machado. If he carries no QO he’s gonna get paid even more and have even more teams in on him. There is no benefit for the Os to wait.
You’re completely wrong about the Yankees payroll moving forward. The Yankees only want to stay under the luxury tax for 2018.
This will reset their tax so they can go over in the coming years. I would be shocked if the Yankees payroll was not $250 mil by end of 2019.
Also, the IFA money and draft pick are not a big deal when signing one of the best players available. The Yankees are building a dynasty with expectations to repeat 2019-202?
If Machado wants money AND the chance to win he really only has a few teams to choose from. White Sox and Brewers are not a Manny Machado away from a dynasty.
A team does not loose IFA money when signing a MLB Free agent. The QO has nothing to due with the international bonus pool.
Yankeespride88 is correct. It’s a stipulation in the new CBA. That said I believe said penalty is only in effect if a team that was over the threshold.
Yes if a team goes over the luxury tax they lose 1 million nternational pool money
I agree with everything you said, although the young players on the South Side of Chicago are special.
Was that for just this year? Thought the CBA idea was if a team signs a player for more then 50 mill, which machado will gey easily, they lose like a 3rd, another pick, and like 500k ifa money.
Im foggy on what they lose but for sure ifa money was involved.
You are right and the Yankees will not go over the CBT limit. Machado puts them right on it and allows for no wiggle room later in the season.
They are probably balking because the Yankees wouldn’t trade that for one year of Machado in a million years. Orioles should be lucky and consider it a victory to get two of those pieces.
It only makes sense to trade him because BAL doesn’t seem to have much motivation to fill out their rotation this winter which means they won’t be genuinely competitive in 2018. Right now they have Gausman, Bundy, and 3 question marks, and that equals a long season. Unless they trade Machado for one or two rotation ready SPs and sign Cashner and MAYBE Lynn or Cobb, I don’t see that rotation getting the job done.
Why give up combined more controllable better talent for a one year rental. Maybe let the prospects play and see what we have before overpaying for an overhyped third baseman that you don’t need. If Yanks are buying anything for this team it should be pitching. I still don’t see everybody’s manny machado infatuation. Arenado is better in Colorado. The Yankees should not give Machado any huge contact next year either. Let some other team choke on that contract after he takes it easy after signing his big pay day. Everybody talks about him having an off year, I would say it was off depending on if he really is a coveted gift to baseball like everybody seems to think.
Manny Machado…. the 2018 Dellin Betances.
Machado wasn’t chastised by the President of the Orioles
Baltimore is not a file and trial team. They claimed to be going that way last year, but continued to negotiate up until their trials, coming to an agreement with Kevin Gausman. They agree to deals every year after figures are exchanged, no reason to believe this year will be different.
I just hope he is traded soon. When i bought tickets to go to an orioles game i didn’t buy it to see him, i bought it to see the team. One player doesn’t make a team. Great player but i never liked him.
The Orioles are just such a poorly run franchise. I am amazed they made it to the playoffs in ’12, ’14, and ’16.
Now that Loria is gone, Angelos gets to pick up the mantle as worst owner in MLB.
It amazes me how this team refuses to spend wisely and then makes huge deals to one dimensional players like Chris Davis and Mark Trumbo. They are about to let a franchise player walk out the door for seemingly nothing and they never address their starting pitching.
The way they handle their physicals as well are a joke.
And then there’s the whole Britton shenanigans. The O’s are seemingly one of the hardest teams to deal with as well.
I feel bad for Baltimore fans. This team could be so much better.
I was going to say this exact thing. Yes, the Wilpons are bad but Peter Angelos is single-handedly killing the franchise.
I wish the other owners would buy him out.
SFGiantsGuy: very little of what you said is true. They are a very well run organization, one that has developed some terrific talent, and continues to do so every year. Every year.
They had the winningest record in the major leagues from 2012 through 2016. All in a division with two of sports biggest spenders when they themselves are a team that are constrained in this regard. Their minor league system is getting better, And they have an organizational culture that is widely recognized as being a very very good quality. Just ask the players who play and have played for them.
Have they won they are elusive World Series since 1983 — no indeed not. Have they made some bad trades and even bad signings? Yes. (They have also made some outstanding trades and some good signings.) yet every organization is guilty of this (not least of all your beloved Giants.) But to say that this makes the organization inept suggests you are simply preaching the party line — of the masses — and not giving this more significant thought.
Baltimore Orioles 2017-2018 Offseason thus far:
– Options on Wade Miley, JJ Hardy, and Wellington Castillo.
– Refused opportunity to sign Shoehi Ohtani
– Signed a bunch of minor league FAs
– Refused to negotiate with arbitration eligible players
– Have signed 0 MLB FAs
What exactly is Dan Duquette doing?
the O’s have been horribly ran for a long time despite that small window they had recently. They should have sold Britton much sooner but we all know what happened. Jones and machado should be sold too. Also they never seem to focus on their pitching staff for some reason
Sorry Orioles fans, this is getting embarrassing. How JV can a front office get?
“Manny Machado is entering the twilight of his career”
– Dan Duquette (probably)
Except the Orioles weren’t file and trial last year. Nice narrative though.