TUESDAY: The Cubs have announced the deal.
It breaks down as follows, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter): $25MM in 2018, $20MM in 2019, $22MM apiece in 2020 and 2021, $19MM in 2022, and $18MM in 2023. That allocation means that Darvish will face at least a four-year, $81MM decision (depending upon escalators) when his opt-out opportunity arises.
Per Nightengale, also, the full no-trade protection extends through the first four years of the contract.
SUNDAY, 4:05pm: Darvish has a full no-trade clause for part of the deal, then it switches to a 12-team list, per Jon Heyman of FanRag (Twitter link).
1:50pm: Darvish has the ability to block a trade to nearly every team, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. Additionally, in any year of the contract, he could earn $2MM extra with a Cy Young Award or $1MM if he finishes second to fifth in the voting.
SATURDAY, 6:02pm: Darvish’s opt-out comes after the 2019 season, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets.
5:17pm: The Cubs and Yu Darvish have agreed to terms on a contract that will bring the righty to Chicago, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports on Twitter. The deal guarantees the Wasserman client $126MM over six years (though the total value can reportedly reach $150MM via escalators), and is pending a physical. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that the contract also includes both an opt-out clause “earlier than three years into his contract” and no-trade protection (Twitter link).
With Darvish in the fold alongside Jon Lester, Jose Quintana, Kyle Hendricks and Tyler Chatwood, the reigning NL Central champs will have one of the more complete (and formidable) rotations in all of baseball. Thanks in part to that group, they should enter the upcoming season as the favorites to win the division again, despite the aggressive moves the rival Brewers have made this winter.
In Darvish, who divided last year between the Rangers and Dodgers, the Cubs are getting a hurler who in 2017 ranked as the majors’ 16th-best pitcher by fWAR (3.5) and 12th-best in terms of strikeouts per nine innings (10.08). He also racked up 186 2/3 innings, his most since 2013, and pitched to a 3.86 ERA/3.83 FIP. He figures to replace Jake Arrieta near the front of the Cubs’ rotation. Because Darvish was part of a midseason trade, the Dodgers could not issue him a qualifying offer to begin the winter. Consequently, reeling him in won’t cost Chicago any draft-pick compensation or international bonus pool money.
Of course, the impact of this signing sends ripples far beyond the NL Central alone. MLBTR had ranked Darvish as the best available free agent among our top 50 (Tim Dierkes & Co. actually predicted he’d end up with the Cubs). This deal could well mean that many other free agent dominoes will begin to fall soon. In particular, many have theorized that teams may have been waiting for Darvish to sign before moving onto lesser free agents such as Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn. The Dodgers, Twins, and Brewers had all reportedly made serious offers for Darvish; they’ll now have to set their sights on other options.
The contract itself is by far the largest ever given to a free agent in February. Although the total guarantee is significantly south of the $160MM we predicted he’d receive back in November, the deal itself could perhaps ease some of the ongoing tension between the players union and MLB, which has escalated to a boiling point in recent weeks due to teams’ unwillingness to meet the asking prices of many top free agents. There has perhaps been as much focus on the glacial pace of the offseason as there has been on the free agents themselves, and the Darvish signing is certainly a step in the right direction.
On the other hand, the top four remaining free agents are now J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Jake Arrieta and Mike Moustakas – all of whom are clients of Scott Boras. With the super-agent firmly in control of the top of the market, there’s no guarantee that other pieces will fall into place any time soon.
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Darvish’s major league career started out in spectacular fashion. After the Rangers spent over $100MM between salary guarantees and posting fees in order to sign him out of Japan prior to 2012, he rewarded them by delivering two consecutive seasons of at least 4.5 fWAR. The talented righty was on his way to another fantastic campaign in 2014, but had to be shut down in August due to elbow issues. Those issues ultimately led to a Tommy John surgery in March of the following year, meaning the ace didn’t take the mound for the Rangers for nearly two years.
When Darvish made his return on May 28, 2016, he picked up right where he left off. In 287 innings since that date, all Darvish has done is strike out 341 hitters while walking just 89. His 3.70 ERA and 3.49 xFIP during that span are among the best marks in the major leagues, and he’s posted the 14th-best soft contact rate in the major leagues during that span.
Of course, Darvish’s solid 2017 season was unfortunately covered in shadow by his dreadful World Series performance with the Dodgers. He faced 22 Astros hitters across his two starts while recording just 10 outs and allowing eight earned runs. Darvish was saddled with the loss for both of those games, one of which was the seventh and final game of the series.
However, while his bellyflop is perhaps the most prominent impression left in the minds of Dodgers fans, there are a number of important factors to consider. The first and perhaps most obvious is that 3 1/3 innings is an incredibly small sample size, particularly against a juggernaut Astros offense that also tore through pitchers like Chris Sale in the same postseason. Another is that many Astros hitters went on record saying that Darvish was tipping his pitches in Game Seven; they could tell whether he was going to throw a cutter or a breaking ball by watching whether he adjusted his grip on the ball before bringing it to his glove. Finally, the two World Series starts were Darvish’s 36th and 37th of the season, which is especially notable because he hadn’t pitched a more than 150 innings in a season since 2013.
Darvish’s pitch arsenal is one of his most unique assets. According to Brooks Baseball, he threw a four-seamer, slider, sinker, curve, cutter, change-up and splitter during the 2017 season. While the sinker and change-up were each utilized less than 2% of the time, such an expansive repertoire sets Darvish apart from other MLB aces. Fortunately for him, he’ll once again be reunited with catcher Chris Gimenez. The two played together during their years with the Rangers, where Gimenez had great success working with Darvish and his arsenal. The Cubs signed Gimenez to a minor-league deal about three weeks ago, though whether that factor had any impact at all on Davish’s decision is a guessing game at this point.
While there’s a chance Darvish will pitch to Gimenez in 2018, it seems likely most of his work will come with starting catcher Willson Contreras. The 25-year-old expressed excitement about the Darvish deal on Twitter, noting that he “can’t wait to catch” the four-time All-Star.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
xabial
My prediction came true!!
In First post in the bottom link. I predicted exact contract!!!
mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/poll-should-the-cubs-si…
RaysBaseball4
Atta way dude!
bigcubsfan
Wow!! Where are those Brewers fans at now, screaming “my Brewers are better than the Cubs. They will win 120 games next season”?
scottstots
Im guessing you are exaggerating I doubt anyone thinks their team will win 120 games… well maybe Cubs fans do.
chesteraarthur
Haha and you say cubs fans are over compensating. Glass house my dude, glass house.
bigcubsfan
Look at the Brewers sign Lorenzo Cain post. There was a guy that said the Cubs would be below .500 if Rizzo or Bryant got injured. Like Brewers players don’t have a chance at being injured too.
scottstots
I remember that thread and it was that Yankee guy who said somewhere in here that the Cubs are now even with the Pirates. Clearly he just hates the Cubs, but claiming he represents Brewers fans is simply untrue as is saying that Brewers fans were saying that the Brewers would win 120 games this year.
michaelw
You couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t know of any Cub fan who said that. I do know a lot of Brewer fans who said they win the division when Yelche came over. Card fans also have been bragging about winning the division and fighting it out with the Brewers. I can show some post were several not 1 but as I counted 6 at least have said the Yankees would not only win 125 games but go unbeaten in post season, win the WS and hot over 900 home runs. I guess the Cubs haters will be out in full force today. Get over it and yourselves.
brewers1
Wow, might want to get a life and stop counting how many posts take a shot at the Cubs. No doubt Cubs are the class of the division until someone proves otherwise
michaelw
Brewers1, I have a life maybe read other post, before defending idiots and child trolls and haters. Then what do I expect from a Milw fan. What is wrong? Tide change a bit.I don’t count how many post. I have a life. Seems like you haters, trolls and idiots are the ones wo a life. Im stating a fact responding to someone who made a statement about Cubs fans saying they would win 120 games. NOT true and I never seen it. But I responded by stating a real fact. So get over it. I knew the haters would come out today. Get over it act like people who talk real baseball. Instead of stupid childish remarks, on jealous people. As someone sated the Cubs could get Harper, Trout, CK and the haters will have something to say that bad. That is my point.
tjg25
Yekatman
Can “bigcubsfan” just enjoy signing one of the premiere free agents up for grabs?
Nope, first impulse is to troll the fans of the other teams in the division.
Sad.
cubbies95
Way to wise up
michaelw
G Yekatman if the shoe fits ware it. I saw BOTH Card fans why I don’t know and Brewer fans do the same thing when they signed Yelch and Cain. HMMM HYPOCRITE ARE WE?
Bryzzo2016
On top of this bargain AAV, the Cubs also don’t have to give up a pick or international money. Great signing across the board!
txjags
Does no one care that this woman just “bought themselves a Acura” after earning $4812 and a little over 10-k last “munth”? This is incredible!! Hell, I could afford Darvish at that rate!!! Sounds like Darvish my have written this post.
One Fan
Oh haha he said Brewer fans said they would win 120 (which was never said) somehow now it must be the Cub fans.
You are nothing but a jealous troll. Have fun watching the Cubs this year Mr. Hater.
One Fan
He has to get a life because he posts the truth that you cannot handle?
Get a life Brewer1!
One Fan
Oh my lord this deal gets better and better
snake120
Prediction, Darvish doesn’t win 40 games as a cub,,,,,too much for 6 years,
2 yrs/42 maybe,,,,,not 6 years,,,,,
simschifan
Michaelw has a good memory. I said they will win 125 games go undefeated in the playoffs and hit 900 Home runs. However you didn’t take into account I was freaking being sarcastic cause I’m a Cub fan not a yankee fan.
Mikel Grady
That’s ridiculous. We cub fans know it will only be 115 wins
Varangian
I’ll take that bet
Bryzzo2016
Hahaha, I LOVE the transparent, bitter and sad trolls. Keep feeding them! It makes this signing that much sweeter. Keep em coming trolls.
Ryan Hilson
You’re stupid never figured even 100 wins but figured like 92 and knew it would still be close but we aren’t done yet Yu gets you not much of an upgrade over Arrieta so I like our chances
brucewayne
What were your REAL facts again?
justinept
Not much of an upgrade over Arrieta? That’s not untrue, but it is misleading. The Cubs rotation had Hendricks, Arrieta, Lester, and Q on the roster and healthy for maybe two weeks of the regular season. Replacing Arrieta with Darvish, having Q for the entire year, and getting Hendricks and Lester healthy is actually a huge upgrade over what they trotted out much of last year.
pullhitter445
Good signing for the cubs, much needed piece for there staff….somebody get this Michaelw a Zoloft
brucewayne
Hey Pot! Meet Keetle!
xabial
All that’s missing is opt-out. But overall contract dollars length and team, I had it identical. I’m proud of myself 😉
Congratulations Cubs fans. You got a hell of a pitcher — on a discount— because of WS.
SteveSax
I am SO proud of you!
I wanna buy you something. Would you like an ice cream little fella?
xabial
Salty losing Darvish, and the WS, fella?
Attitudes like this make me not care if you wait another 50 years without a WS, like the Cubs but I won’t generalize your fanbase, like many people mine.
mackows2
how about a cookie for the little guy
Sheldon Bowen
I hated reading your comments.
outinleftfield
Like your namesake, you are throwing wide of the mark.
SteveSax
No…not at all. I like what the Dodgers have done with their cap. That luxury tax would have been awful. I like Darvish…outstanding human being. But past the days where he’s worth that kind of money. Still makes Chicago a brute force with starting pitching. Ohh…before I forget. Rocky road or mint chocolate chip?
stratcrowder
Bahahaha!!!! And I totally agree with your posts.
padreforlife
Is this the real Steve Sax?
Syndergaarden Cop
lol
astick
I don’t know. Ask him?
cxcx
Past the days where’s he’s worth that money? When was he worth it, when he was missing full seasons? If he’s worth it ever it’s now when he’s healthy.
hiflew
I think the real Steve Sax is still in Springfield Prison.
Putmeincoach12
Stevesax – what flavor ice cream are you handing out?
kcusgnikcufsregdod
150 mill is a discount? Enjoy that horrendous contract.
xabial
126 mill*
For what it’s worth, Darvish’s was seeking Greinke $200M+ contract, which I think he would’ve gotten closer to, barring that epic WS collapse.
deweybelongsinthehall
I thought teams were learning. Guess not. Years and one way opt outs will likely cost the Cubbies big time.
xabial
In the thread I linked to, sixth post down Justinept made a compelling argument why opt outs benefit the team. It’s worth a read, and really changed my opinion on it.
arodgers661
Not sure how you call the 2017 ws an epic collapse. That was probably one of the most competitive World Series we’ve seen in a while.
xabial
epic collapse for Darvish— He had 2 chances,
I think it depreciated his FA contract, to a degree.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
It’s not a compelling argument genius. He will only opt out if he can get even more money in free agency. Even if his team is trying to cut costs, without the opt out he would figure to draw some trade interest if he were playing well enough to opt out.
A. Messa
Word
xabial
Cubs structure their opt outs differently than most teams.
Hayward sucks, and has one of the worst contracts in all sports, but not all opt outs are created equal. It really was a fascinating read—
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Heyward is overpaid so the opt out really has no effect. If he played well and opted out, the Cubs would lose the surplus value from the contract, which hurts them.
ChiSoxCity
The Cubs can print money if they wanted to.
diehardcubbie 2
We will thanks!
xabial
Np ! 🙂
justinept
You realize that the team wins if the player opts out, right? That’s what people miss. Everyone would want Darvish at 2 years / $45 million. It’s the backend that scares teams away. If Darvish performs at a high level, that’s a win for the Cubs. If someone else can pay for his eventual decline, that’s also a win for the Cubs.
outinleftfield
Darvish gets not one, but two opt outs in years 2 and 3 along with a full NTC.
xabial
I hope that makes it more impressive and less open to ridicule. —Thank you, I appreciate the update.
Rocket32
Ha, and people said teams were learning not to hand out bad contracts like that anymore.
yankeeaddiction
This does little to help the Cubs. They got a pitcher who can’t pitch in October with a history of arm trouble. I don’t see him making more than 20 starts this year and I predict he will have an extended period of time on the dl. The Cubs have a beleaguered infield that will likely have a member sustain an injury that causes them to lose a substantial part of the season, and they have done little to address this depth problem. The Cubs should have jumped on Todd Frazier because he would have provided insurance at both first and third. The 2018 Cubs are a team composed of question marks. Who is the closer- they don’t have one. Will Jon Lester continue to decline? Will Ben Zobrist continue to decline? Will Jason Heywood produce anything at all? Who will be the team leader with John Jay and John Lackey gone? What can the Cubs expect from Kyle Schwarber who has not impressed since his rookie year?
At most this positions them for a Wild Card run as the Brewers are still clearly the better team.
lord vincent
I predict the Yankees will finish third this year and will have two pitchers with arm problems and this year’s ROY will have trouble hitting the Mendoza line.
The 2017 NL MVP will spend a fair amount of time on the DL list.
calibrew
The Cubs have now gone from the team everyone kinda roots for, to the team everyone wants to see lose.
Ken M.
Sounds like the first half of that could apply to Severino and the Yankees infield.
FredBlassie
Wow! You managed to spell Zobrist correctly, but that’s about the only thing you got right in that very long post. Frazier? LOL!
Cubguy13
Wow Yankeeaddiction, what an insightful comment! All the question marks the Cubs have! Will Heyward produce? Who will be the team leader now that Jay is gone? Didn’t realize Jay was our leader for one and most of your question marks can be applied to any team. Will a Yankee infielder or outfielder get hurt? Will judge show continued power? Will Didi repeat last years numbers? Will Bird be effective at all? Will your pitching staff hold up? Also, since you love riding the Brewers so hard, maybe there is a Brewer/Yankee post you could be on instead?
yankeeaddiction
Lord Vincent, my dear friend. This very well could happen. You can’t count on anything in sports and injuries can destroy the greatest of teams. Judge has had problems with strike outs and must adjust- many worry about his average in future seasons. Both Tanaka and Gray have injury histories and CC will be 38 years old. You are indeed correct that Stanton has had trouble staying healthy in the past.
While I hope your predictions are in correct, I, unlike most Cubs fans, will admit things can go bad for any team and there is no guarantee players will remain healthy.
One Fan
Oh Yankeeaddiction actually fears the Cubs!
coldgoldenfalstaff
Not really, they’re been almost as disliked as the Red Sox and Yankees for overblown media coverage.
One Fan
Yankeeaddiction is talking about Tanaka Severino and Gray all making 20 starts or less but Yankees may hang on for another WC birth
yankeeaddiction
My dear friend. I believe that there is a chance the Yankees will have to deal with an unforeseen injury. To answer your questions as long as he is healthy Judge will hit 40 homeruns. The question/concern is can he continue to improve and hit for a respectable average. When one looks at Didi’s career he has improved every year. Even if he does not improve and regresses I have no issues with a short stop who puts up the numbers he did in 2016. I don’t get the question about Bird- when he is healthy he has always been effective. The question is can he stay healthy.
Now the Yankees have an infield of Bird at first, Didi at short and Sanchez behind the plate. They have Torres and Andujar as well as Torreyes and a number of invitees to spring training. I believe they have the infield depth to withstand an injury. As far as the rotation goes there are questions as to whether or not everyone can stay healthy.
Cubbie991
the brewers dont have an infield and are short on starting pitching. the only infielder worth his weight is Shaw. he is limited to third tho. arcacia(shortstop) good defense with no offense. they dont have a second baseman and they are talking about platooning Braun at first. the league has figured out thames, dont throw him a curve. he cant hit fastballs. zobrist can only be better than last year, he is healthy. same with russell. baez starting at second. zo will roam with super rookie Ian Happ who had over 20 hrs in half a season as a rookie without a position. last years team also went to the NLCS. no reason they shouldnt do it again or go farther. plus the best rotation in the N.L.
Vincent2681
I do not agree with your assessment of the Cubs. The infield is a strength of this team with plenty of people to fill in. They have their starters and then Zobrist and Happ for spot starts or in case of injury. Brandon Morrow is the closer and the team leaders will be Rizzo and Contreras. You put the brewers are still clearly the better team? Still, as in they were last year? Who won the division last year? The only thing you stated that are valid are what you said about Heyward and Schwarber. Nobody knows how they will fare until they start playing. I like the fact that Schwarber is working out like crazy and eating healthy and hopefully the addition of Chili Davis helps both of them but every team has question marks. The Cubs have very few.
diehardcubbie 2
Go back to your Tinker Toys…Come back here when you have anything good to add
fox471 Dave
“This does little to help the Cubs.” Dumbest post ever! Period.
twentyforty
Which is what Cubs fans wanted for 107 years. Being hated is DELICIOUS.
michaelw
What funny is even after the Brewers got Yelch and Cain they still were no projected to be the favorite to win the Division, that is before thsi trade. Projected to win 86 – 88 games.
Well were ready let play ball!
yankeeaddiction
The Brewers will have a far superior lineup to the Cubs in 2018. Every projected starter had double digit home runs last year and Yelich will continue to get better. I will be the first to admit guys like Cain and Braun have their best days behind them but both likely have two very productive seasons left in them. A bounce back year by Vogt and Shaw will continue to get better will make them one of the most formidable lineups in the NL.
The Brewers are also not done dealing and I see them adding two arms. I think either Arrieta or Lynn ends up in Milwaukee as a FA and I think they get a starter in a trade from their glut of outfielders.
I don’t think Morrow will succeed in the closer’s role. Zobrist was a shell of what he was last year and I don’t view it as wise to rely on him to continue producing as he had in the past. Jon Lester is going into his age 34 season. Jake Arrieta was a horse for the Cubs and he has been the rock from the start of this recent run of success. He was a core member of the most successful run since Joe Tinker. His loss will change the chemistry of that team. The 2018 Cubs will be much different from the 2017 version that played well above it’s head and over achieved.
michaelw
Yankee Addition I’m so sick of hearing your BS and all your hate you have for the Cubs. Alls you do is talk BS on every signing they do. Worry about the Yanks. You couldn’t get a pitcher because you couldn’t afford to go over the Lux tax. You got a crazy contract that now restricts you on big signings. You need a 3rd baseman, a second baseball and the Houston Astros are going to tear you apart again, because your rotation is worth;less and your in denial. TYPICAL NYer. ALL TALK N BS. NY fans rather look good and lose than win and look bad. You be happy with hitting 900 home runs but not winning a title. Typical New York fans. A lot of talk. You don’t even talk good baseball, except how good the Yanks are and they will win 125 games and hit 900 home runs. I’m going to call your name on every Yankee loss this year. Trust me. Get over yourself and your ego and take it back to NY where it belongs.
You know nothing about baseball, and always defending the Yanks. All your prospects are the best. Everyone should over pay for Yank players. The Yanks should get the best deal and under play and be cheap wads like typical NYers are. CHEAP WADS!
Instead of talking about the Cubs stick with your Yankees. Will the rotation hold up. Doubtful. How will Old Wino CC pitch. Who is playing 2nd, who is playing 3rd. You should have got Todd Frasier, instead of being a CHEAP WAD typical NYer. You need him better than the Cubs. We have 6 players who can play the infield including 1st base. NY not so much. How will Torres do this year. LOL will see. I predict not much over 265 hows that for a prediction.
No one cares about Lackey, and the Cubs have a lot more dept than you think. You think losing Lackey and JA is a major thing lol.
Both have been replaced. Remember the Cubs won 92 games last year, that is one better than NY BTW. That with injuries and down years for many of the players.
If I were you I worry about the NY infield and rotation and not bank on hitting 900 home runs lol.
Funny how you think the Brewers are a better team. Got news for you hater, the Cubs were still favoured to win the division with the Signing of Cain who is over paid and the Yelch trade. You think that going to put the Brewers over the top. LOL
ALL the Experts in MLB had the Cubs still better that is wo Darvish. As far as post season guess you can say the same about Price and Sale who was rocked in Post season too. Get over yourself, your a typical New Yorker full of himself, talk a lot BS, cheap wad and nothing good to say.
Go save a nickel somewhere and get over it and yourself. Your nothing and a waste of time and space.
desertbull
Blah blah blah blah
michaelw
Lord V – I’ll add to that prediction. The predict CC will go back to rehab and MLB will find out Stranton is on PEDs and gets an 80 game suspension.
michaelw
GET OVER YOURSELF YANKEEADDICTION YOUR A JOKE ON THESE BOARDS!
yankeeaddiction
my dear friend, I thank you for the many kind words. Well now considering the Yankees will likely lose at minimum 57 games, if you call me out after every loss there will be 57 days of the Spring and Summer, where you take a little bit of time out of your day to think of me. If for some reason the Yankees fall apart you might think of me 90 to 100 days. I am honored that I will play such a major role in your life in 2018.
I don’t know if you know this but I am not a member of the Yankees front office. I don’t understand why you think I would take your being critical of their organizational policies as an insult.
internet1tough1guy
Yankeeaddiction, you have alot to talk lmao.. the cubs have alot of questions? They have no depth? They’re known for depth you moron.. Todd fraizer for 1st and 3rd? Worst move ever. Fraizer is trash lmao.. cubs have like 5 players that can play 3rd. Zobrist, Baez and Happ. And zobrist, Contreras and Happ can play first and probably schwarber.. the only question right now for the Cubs is leadoff spot. They could use a more proven center fielder with good obp. That’s it.
Now let’s talk about the Yankees that has holes after holes on their team.. Stanton will be lucky to play 100 games, judge won’t be as good as last year.. GUARANTEED!! Yanks are prob gonna start 2 rookies and they will suck ass, andujar and Torres. Torres will be a giant bust, that’s why the cubs we’re willing to trade him. Yanks have no 1st baseman. Bird? What he do last year? Hit .190 maybe? Their rotation is over rated after severino. Tanaka with a 5 era? That’s something to brag about.. gray is mediocre. Chapman isn’t the same cuz the cubs over used him and fucked him up in 2016. Mark my words.. YANKEES DONT WIN 85 GAMES THIS COMING SEASON!!?
CubsRebsSaints
Of course you do. Maddon will limit his innings. He won’t make another 37 starts. Unless they’re 5-6 innings. They just added Yu Darvish. They will throw 4 number number 1 or 2’s in any series.
Varangian
yankeeaddict is Donald Trump.
brucewayne
The Yankees can’t win titles ? Since when? Seems like 27 leads all of MLB . Definitely more than the Cubs for sure MW!
Cachhubguy
You should try stand up comedy.
Stuemke17
Not sure if trolling or hasn’t watched a Cubs game in four years.
justinept
It’s one thing to acknowledge that things can go bad. It’s a whole thing to assume every question mark will be answered in the negative. And then there’s what you did – saying things that are either completely wrong or that are a gross misrepresentation.
1- Jay wasn’t the Cubs leader. Rizzo was.
2- Lackey wasn’t even the leader of the pitching staff. Lester was.
3- Beleaguered infield? They had one guy get hurt over the past three years and they’re suddenly injury prone? Ok…
4- Schwarber hasn’t impressed since his rookie year? Well, it’s only been two years since then and he missed 156 games in one of them. But you’re kinda ignoring that he not only crushed it in the World Series but that also has an .818 OPS in the second half. Or, as we’d say about most players that hadn’t played for the better part of 18 months, after he shook off the rust.
5- They have no closer. They’re still improved in the pen over last year. The Astros just won a WS without one. And the Cubs can still acquire one either before the season or at the deadline.
One Fan
Good work
michaelw
Considering it only cost 21 million Cubs still have 12 Million to blow. lol
JA going to cost someone at least 6 years and 21-24 Million on a cheap count.
Lynn and Cobb will be around 4-5 at 18-20
Cubs fans are happy and haters can hate all they want. Just remember Sale was rocked for 6 runs in post season also last year, What has Price done for his 217 Million? I thought he was saving his playoff wins for Boston lol
brucewayne
Guess who gets a gold star today?
fasbal1
Awesome, how much did you make for being so smart.
24TheKid
Nice!
Daver520
your winning Check is in the mail
xabial
I know you said that to make fun, but winning something reminded me of the contest.
No contest this year :/ 🙁
iverbure
The amount of people downvoting you because you showed you were in fact right is hilarious. Let’s downvote people for being right because you hate the outcome but not hold people who say stupid crap accountable. Makes perfect sense.
xabial
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
Would they rather “wow”? I can’t tell you how many times, I’ve seen that as a first post 🙂
SteveSax
Not about being right…it’s about jumping around like an undisciplined child after winning nothing at all. Now, if he predicted an earthquake and warned an elementary school to vacate the building before the earthquake and its subsequent collapse…then by all means, brag away!
baines03
Or you can just ignore his post like an adult.
One Fan
Xabial deserves credit has he PROVED it. Not like the clowns who always come on here and claim to have “called it”
One Fan
Oh so xabial was having fun so you critize him? Oh he has to have won an award you say? The award is being correct.
Are you 11 little stevie? You play for prizes and trophies and mommy says good boy and here is a little ice cream cone for little Stevie …
Cubguy13
so are you a child then for not being able to ignore the other guys post?
SteveSax
Do you feel left out? Would you also, like an ice cream? Seems like you’ve had a rough day. How about we get you some sprinkles on your ice cream! That’ll cheer ya up!
xabial
In his defense (yes Im defending my most vocal critic in this thread) I was the 1st post in major blockbuster signing, with mlbtr audience starving for one. This thread got 424 comments in 2 hours.
When you make a first comment in a thread that’ll probably get 600+ comments, you will get a lot of exposure— and expose yourself to much scrutiny.
I have no regrets, as I will probably never get a FA contract this correct again, from dollars, years, opt out, team and I proved it with link. I guess.. only regret is the exclamation points. It really wasn’t meant to brag… I was happy.
Cubguy13
xabial, do you come on this sight often? all people do is critique peoples comments for the most part. your comment was no different. you dont need to explain yourself or analyze the situation. it is what it is
fox471 Dave
What are you, 12? Relax. Happy you are happy.
xabial
People critique yes, but they don’t usually attack other people’s characters. It’s usually a highly civilized baseball conversation even if things get heated.
I find quality comments, most upvoted be quite high.
I was defending my integrity, “undisciplined child” because I want people to know why, I posted it, for SteveSax 7+ Upvotes (those of you, who don’t use app)
Yes there are tolls on the internet who like to upvote insulting comments, but if there really is one person who genuinely believes what he SteveSax said, and I changed their mind, it would be worth it.
diehardcubbie 2
Wow, like people are trying to say, grow up little fella! The guy made a prediction and it came true. Looks like you love people reading what you think is funny stuff…
Troll somewhere else. Your posts are idiotic.
brucewayne
So you think you were the only one who “predicted” this signing or what? If that was the case, then hers your sign!
bravesfan88
Ehh…pretty round numbers..If you would’ve guessed the actual guaranteed amount, $126 mil, then I’d be a little more impressed…lol
Alot of people had Darvish pegged at 5-6 years and $125-$150 mil though, just saying, not to burst your little bubble..
Congrats on the Cubs getting YuDar also…I’ll join the guessing game, and guess that’s your favorite team..??
Bryzzo2016
I loved him at 5/125, 6/126 is fantastic for the top FA starter available. If he hits his incentives and bumps it up to 150 that means he’s earning it. A win/win. That AAV keeps the Cubs away from the luxury tax AGAIN and gives them flexibility moving forward. Way to wait it out and be patient Theo/Jed! Love this deal!!!!
simschifan
He has to win multiple cy Young’s for the 150. I’ll go out on a limb and say that won’t happen
timyanks
you get a wet willie for a prize
majorflaw
“My prediction came true.”
Doesn’t appear to be an exact match, xabial. The base contract appears to be for $120M with incentives which could make it worth the full $150M. But you estimated the approximate terms rather well. Was this based on something in particular, some calculations you did or just a hunch?
Also, when patting oneself on the back it’s best to use restraint. Posting the link to your before the fact prediction doesn’t need any gilding.
outinleftfield
You are late to the party. Initially it was reported as a 6/150 deal.
xabial
I was based on Mlbtr’s prediction, which I felt was a tad generous. (Six years $160MM) and that was before this slow off-season began to take shape.
The opt out prediction was due to:
1) The market repercussions of his WS outings — Darvish was clutch up to that point,—He was so close.
2) Their general increasing popularity in the game (whether you hate to admit it, or not)
3) Cubs have a history of giving them (gave Heyward 2, more than most, even if 2nd opt out was conditional on Heyward getting 550PA in 2019, I’ve never heard of a team giving a player, 2 player opt outs — have you?)
4) They were one of the hottest teams linked to Darvish, early in the offseason, and throughout.
yes, initially it was reported to be 6 year $150M deal
jbaker3170
So like ok, want a cookie??!!
xabial
Whether or not you agree with majorflaw, I like that he goes into depth, in his responses, so I try to do the same, with his comments questions directed at me.
internet1tough1guy
Only 24 mill off lol
Alex Graboyes
Omfg baseball hot stove heating up
dimitriinla
Poor move by the Cubs. This will be a strain on their budget. How many very good years are we expecting out of Yu?
iverbure
2. You want him like every other player who gets an opt out to opt out. Opt outs are actually great for teams.
jdgoat
Ah opt outs are only good if the free agent doesn’t have a qualifying offer. I’d give darvish one, only because I wouldn’t be losing a draft pick for potentially 1-2 years of a player
brucewayne
Opt outs are not good for the team! It just favors the player!
xabial
In the thread I linked to, eighth post down, justinept wrote a brilliant piece why opt outs benefit the team. Since I know you didn’t read it (Not because didn’t want to, but because my comment directing other people, who thought the same thing about opt outs, to that post, probably got lost in the 700+ responses, most commented article here, of all time)
This is for many people who think: opt-outs are “not good for the team!” and “just favors the player!” …. Writing this exceptional, deserves to be shared to a wider viewing audience. (Original Source link in first post here, I made my “correct” prediction.) Click that link, Count down, from top, 8th post down, by justinept. Thanks again for sharing this! I don’t know if you’re going to write it again here and I didn’t want to take that risk of this fascinating piece, fading away, in that other thread. It changed my entire opinion on player opt outs, being so “one sided”
xabial
“People look at opt-outs wrong.
They say that the player will opt out if the contract is undervalued, or he’ll stay if the contract is overvalued. And that both situations hurt the team. While those two statements are true, they fail to take a number of things into account.
First, opt-outs provide value to the player. People always seem to miss this obvious point.
Since we’re talking about the Cubs, let’s use Jason Heyward as an example moving forward. He signed with the Cubs for 8 years / $184 million with two opt outs. He turned down 8 years / $200 million with no opt out language from the Nationals. You can deduce from this that the Cubs saved $16 million over 8 years in actual money by offering the opt outs. That isn’t insignificant.
Smart teams understand this value and use it as leverage to make up the monetary difference from other offers. Desperate teams use it as leverage to make up other issues a player might have with signing with their team (eg. poor team play, poor location, etc.)
The Cubs play in a major market. They have an historic stadium that’ was recently renovated. They have a top-tier manager. They’ve made three straight NLCS appearances. And they won a World Series 14 months ago. When a team is in the position the Cubs are in (Dodgers, Yankees, BoSox, and a few others are in similar spots), and they offer an opt-out clause, it’s always to make up monetary differences from other offers because the other selling points are off the charts. So if the Cubs offer Darvish an opt-out, it’s because he took a few less dollars to sign.
Second – people ignore the fact that opt-outs are done one of two ways from a team’s POV.
1) The team front loads the contract, which protects them against a bigger cap hit if the player doesn’t opt out
2) They back load the contract, daring the player to opt out of the bigger money portion of the deal.
Guess which one smart teams do? They front load the contract, protecting themselves against regression. That way, if the player doesn’t utilize the opt-out due to it being an over-market deal, it’s still a smaller hit than they’d have taken if they gave him a LT deal w/ yearly salaries in line with the actual AAV.
Let’s look at Heyward again,
His money was front-loaded with 2017 and 2018 representing his biggest pay days ($28 mil per year). That leaves about $106 million over 5 years remaining on the deal. Will he opt-out? Probably not. I mean, the guy has barely hit his weight as a Cubs (.243 average vs a listed weight of 240 points.) But still, w/o the opt-out, the Cubs are likely paying Heyward $125 million over the final 5 years. With the opt-outs, they’re paying him $19 million less.
If the Cubs were to offer Darvish an opt-out, they’dd likely front load that contract as well, paying him significantly more money in 2019 and 2020 ahead of Bryant and Russell’s free agency year. If Darvish outperforms the contract and opts-out, it provides more money to sign Bryant and Russell. If Darvish underperforms and doesn’t opt out, then you’re at least paying him less than you would’ve had you not offered the opt out clause.
Seriously – unless a team is desperate and does something stupid, then these things do work out for the team.”
Thanks for sharing such a quality comment!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And there is not even the slightest chance that Heyward opts out. Opt out doesn’t help the Cubs there. If Darvish pitches well and opts out it will hurt them because they lose a player who they had signed for below market value.
dugdog83
3.5
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
This won’t do a anything to their budget. The owners father is the founder of etrade. They have a ton of money to spend if they want. They could lock up Bryant rizzo,Baez and sign Harper for 200 mil each if they wanted too. I don’t think they will. Harper won’t sign for less than 300 mil. Bryants extension would start at 250 mil. Baez will not gset more than 90mil on his nezt deal with the cubs. Rizzo will get upwards of 150mil.
dimitriinla
I see no indication that they can spend all that on all those players. And no doubt this hinders their capacity to sign all those guys. How could it not? It’s $25mil/year…
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It doesn’t put a dent in their budget. They could easily sign Harper and extend Bryant for the same amount if they choose too. That would require heyward opting out and trading one or more of Schwarber, Almora and maybe one other. As bad as Schwarber gets hosed for his “horrible D” I’d rather have him over Harper.
One Fan
Its $21m a year. Sorry you are a Dodger fan and lost Darvish to the Cubs for just $21m per year but you will have to deal with it
dimitriinla
*$21mill/year.
dimitriinla
One Fan: nice assumption re my team, but I’m an O’s fan. I stand by my comments above.
BlueSkyLA
It’s $21M base plus performance bonuses that could raise it to $25M.
BTW, I am a Dodger fan who isn’t at all sorry Darvish was “lost” to the Cubs. Trust me, we can deal with it. His coming back here, that would be have been another issue.
Djones246890
Agreed. Also, one thing most people overlook is that teams can nudge (and subtly threaten) players to opt out.
An opt out doesn’t mean the player has all the control. I mean, if a team didn’t want me, and they tell me my playing time will be cut in half (or more), I would opt out.
There’s a lot of psychology involved.
simschifan
Those guys you all mentioned are only making league minimum. The best case scenario is they sign Harper go over the tax next year, and Zobrist goes off the books after next year. There’s some flexibility still there but not a lot. If and that’s a big if they sign Harper next year that’s probably their only move. And honestly they won’t need to make anymore.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No you wouldn’t
One Fan
A strain on the budget it is not
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Talk like Yoda you must
Red Ivy
Let’s go!!!!!!
jrwhite21
FINALLY
sprado1065
Nice
dimitriinla
Poor move. It’s an overspend ona pitcher who’s actually not that great—and certainly not consistently so.
jdgoat
Whether he’s great or simply just a well above average is splitting hairs. He’s still a top 20 starting pitcher in the game
dimitriinla
No need to split hairs at all. It’s an overspend on, as you say, a top 20 pitcher.
spudchukar
I would suggest he isn’t. He taxes bull pens, his fastball is straight, and when he loses command of his breaking pitches he is very hittable. When he gets on a roll he is very effective. A #3 guy at this stage of his career. And when the wind is blowing out in Wrigley, or on the road in Milwaukee or GAB look out. As a Cards’ fan I am happy with this deal. With all the Cubs’ salary issues in years to come this deal binds their hands nicely.
dimitriinla
Yes it does. And, as you added, the guys been less than impressive of late. I’d also add that whether he’s too 20 right now is irrelevant; what will he be over the life of his contract? This I think is where the deal looks quite awful actually.
One Fan
Oh domitrilnLA sorry to split hairs its only $21m per year a huge underpay and your dodgers lost out and you are pissed off
twentyforty
My goodness you have no clue. Chicago as a small market team in your rates is hilarious. Enjoy fighting Pittsburgh for 4th place for the next decade.
woodguy
Well said spudchukar
diehardcubbie 2
People complained about the Zobrist deal, saying he would be too old at the end of the contract. Well I am OK with 3 down years since he was MVP of the 2016 WS.
The Cubs have an open window to win now. What’s wrong with spending the money now to win? Hey if Yu helps the Cubs win in the next few years and is not worth the contract in the last few years, I am OK with that. True, signing him guarantees nothing. But it at least gives the Cubs a better chance to win now, while their window is open.
bluegorilla
Sweet
marlinsman
Finally
cubbies95
WHOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Slipknot37
Good signing. Like it
coach him
terrible contract. be lucky to get 3 years out of him. lot of money tied up for A player with arm problems and on the down side.
Slipknot37
That’s not terrible or even bad. That’s about the right price for a pitcher who’s not quite an ace, but he’s still very good. If he were scherzer or price, he’d get payed a lot more money.
Bryzzo2016
Haha, don’t feed the sad lil trolls. Coach Him is either ignorant, sad or both. I loved him at 5/125. To get him at 6/126 is amazing! That AAV will keep the Cubs below the luxury tax yet again. Theo brilliantly waited out the market and took advantage of the Dodgers/Yankees inability to spend this winter. If he hits all his incentives and maxes the contract out at 150… EVEN better. Still a good AAV for the Cubs AND that means he’s performing well. Great get, the top starter available!
diehardcubbie 2
Well said. Looks like a lot of green on this board…
Bryzzo2016
Yeah, the best part is seeing the same usernames that wanted their team to sign Yu now acting like they are glad they didn’t. Transparent to say the least. The fact that Theo didn’t panic and got him for WELL below his projected contract back in November was genius!
Djones246890
Completely agree. The incentivized contract is even better. A (potential) extra $25 million will keep this kid hungry for every single year. The move (and the way the contract is written) is brilliant.
cubsfan76
Yeeeesssss!!!
FlyTheW69420
Now over pay for Jake. And our staff will be complete!!
jdgoat
There’s no room for him
TMorgan
Don’t think there ever truly was room for Jake. Plan B after Darvish was probably Cobb. Plan C…who knows. Maybe a Lackey reunion (eek)? Or roll with Monty at SP5, add some decent SP depth, and consider a trade later if it doesn’t work out. Jake might’ve interested the Cubs on a short-term deal (1-2 yrs, 3 at most), but that (or a “hometown discount”) was never happening. This wasn’t a Dexter Fowler situation.
johnrealtime
oh god no
Alex Graboyes
Jake arieta to the phils please
Coast1
No way Andy MacPhail would agree to more than a 3 year deal and there’s no way Scott Boras agrees to that.
Phillies2017
No God Please No
Pax vobiscum
Maybe on a one year deal with a high aav…come March 29th.
PhanaticDuck26
maybe Jake at 4/100 mil now? I really can’t see him getting Darvish money, but then again maybe a team like MIL or MIN goes the extra 5th year after missing out on Yu?
takeyourbase
Twins won’t go to five on Arrietta.
Haven’t seen an actual report on their offer to Darvish but I’d be surprised if that was a straight 5 year offer. I haven’t heard any concrete interest from the Twins on him, only speculation since they are looking at top tier pitching. It’s possible the Brewers consider him as an option but not MN unless he falls to reasonable terms as in a short deal.
BlueSkyLA
Your 4/100 for Arrieta is more annually than the guarantee Darvish got from the Cubs. He’ll get over $20M per when he signs, the only real question is how much more, and the number of years.
pgmitchell
staff is complete now …5 solid starters plus Montgomery ….bullpen has 6 solid relievers
IACub
Yup
Lester, Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana, Chatwood
Morrow, Strop, Edwards, Cishek, Montgomery, Duensing, Wilson.
Only question mark is the 8th pen guy (25th man) and there’s some relatively good options there
diehardcubbie 2
Maples may make a good run for that #8 reliever.
halos101
bad take
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Their rotation is good to go. They need a Greg Holland. Morrow won’t be the closer the whole year. He could be the 8th inning guy. While CJ can be the 7th inning guy.
One Fan
Bye bye Jake
werfighting
Wow
nats3256
Maybe this Is the domino that needed to fall!!
jdgoat
The floodgates just bursted
Jordan 5
Wow
yourcubreporter
Yu! Yu got what I neeee-eeeed!
dugdog83
Oh baby Yuuuuu
PhanaticDuck26
Yuuuuuu say he’s just a friend
takeyourbase
Awesome!
619bird
Sort of expected. Waiting on more details on thr contract.
acarneglia
*Go Cubs Go starts playing*
AndyWarpath
Hooray! News m!
Appbrewers
good luck holding onto their core for another couple years. definitely won’t be in on next year’s free agent class. no money left
jdgoat
They’re loaded with cash. If it makes sense, there’s no reason they won’t go over the luxury tax
thesheriffisnear
And the Brewers fans saltiness begins
Appbrewers
of course they can go over luxury tax. they are in a big market that can afford it. I’m proud of the Brewers for having one of the top GMs in baseball. no way Epstein could build a winner without a blank check book. down side of no salary cap. small market teams can realistically compete for a year or two in a row then rebuild. unless they can hit on every draft pick
Cubguy13
No way Epstein could build a winner without a blank checkbook? Maybe you didn’t realize that our core is built up of very young, and cost effective players. Epstein opens the checkbook on occasion but for you to say he can’t build a winner without a blank checkbook sounds flat out stupid or maybe it’s envy that you cheer for a team that uses a piggy bank in comparison to a checking account
twentyforty
The familiar Brewers fan lament. We build better because we’re smaller. Hilarious.
Appbrewers
I have a lot of faith in Stearns. drastically better than Melvin was. as long as Stearns doesn’t give out multiple 5-6 year contracts over $150 million they can compete.
Cubbie991
Brewers wont win until they get a new owner. wont spend money. only 1 season in the last 20 under 2 million in attendance. where is the money? they are the mets of the midwest.
FredBlassie
The Brewers couldn’t build a winner without a steroid-guzzling douche nozzle in LF.
One Fan
Another brewer fan showing his ignorance. Hey genius what do you think Theo did to win the world series in 2016? You think he had a blank check. Check out the Cubs payroll then. He did it by rebuilding.
Exactly what your team is now attempting to replicate. Boy what an ignorant comment you made
One Fan
Appbrewers … and Theo hit on ever draft pick! Lets see if you can match him
Djones246890
Theo built a winner with MINIMAL $$$. Dude, you’re absolutely clueless. Lol.
simschifan
Not even close buddy, this is chicago not Green Bay South
Bryzzo2016
Haha, exactly. The trolling is sad and quite transparent. The Cubs have not hit the luxury tax yet, meaning they can blow past it NEXT winter and not be a repeat offender. Theo has already stated that’s the plan. He took advantage of the Dodgers and Yanks being repeat offenders and not being able to spend this winter. He also knew that Yu had no desire to go to Milwaukee or Minny. Theo called his bluff and got him at a ridiculous AAV. I liked Yu a lot at 5/125 but I LOVE him at 6/126… WOW!
BrewCrew54
LOL at thinking 6/126 is a great contract. Let’s talk in two years when he’s struggling to even fit into the bullpen for 21 million/yr!
cub4lyfe
I agree! At the AAV they got him at, the extra year is irrelevant.
Red Ivy
Brewcrew54 – Sounds good man. We can talk about Lorenzo Cain’s contract in 2 years too.
BrewCrew54
Cain’s WAR will be much higher than Darvish’s in two years, you can count on that. Positional players performance outlast pitchers, history shows that. FYI
Bryzzo2016
Hahaha, I LOVE IT. BrewCrew54 is the SAME clown that was pining for Stearns to get him signed. NOW, it’s a bad signing for the Cubs?!?!? Hahaha, at a mere 21 mil AAV? Way less than those that ACTUALLY get paid for their opinion projected. YES! Your transparent attempt to troll to hide your disappointment is loud and clear! Thank you, you’re making a great day even sweeter.
diehardcubbie 2
Haha. If he contributes to a couple WS in the next 3 years, that’s what it’s all about. People criticized Zobrist signing but he ended up 2016 WS MVP. It’s usually the fans of the teams that lose out on a signing that criticize the contract.
Red Ivy
You think Cain’s WAR will be higher than darvish???? Dude your just being a hater at this point. I’d take that bet 100 times out of 100.
Cubguy13
I see you do the accounting for the Cubs! Interesting they let you come on MLB trade rumors to announce that they have no money for next offseason. A year that will include huge merchandise revenue, a seasons worth of sellout crowds, and likely another playoff run. Thank you for leaking that though so soon…
Bryzzo2016
Don’t feed the sad trolls. The Cubs have PLENTY of money. As Theo said, they plan to blow past the luxury tax next winter. To minimize penalties, they don’t want to be a repeat offender, which is why the Yanks and Dodgers couldn’t get in on Yu. Theo played the market perfectly! A HUGE get!!!
diehardcubbie 2
Add to that an upcoming TV contract…
amishthunderak
Don’t need to be in on next year’s free agent class. New TV deal kicking in in a few years so they should be ok.
Cubguy13
The new tv contract is one reason why the Cubs should be in on next years free agent class. The players who will be available next offseason are not the type of players you get the chance to sign year in and year out
waxbuddie
You’re right, the best part about this signing is it helps to limit their ability to sign players next offseason and beyond. Good signing
slyfox1908
No needs left
MegaJman
Well, at some point it would be nice to have a true lead off hitter. I guess they will have Almora lead off this season, not exactly what you are looking for in that spot. They have a great chance of landing Harper next year, which will be even more interesting because Almora or Heyward would not play if that happens
twentyforty
Haha. Brewers fans acting like the Cubs are small market is so cute.
Cachhubguy
They’ll probably have their own Cable station in a couple of years. #Printingmoney.
The Oregonian
Looks like a major victory for the players. Holding out did pay off.
CardsNation5
6 years $126 million is what he’s getting
driftcat28 2
I’m sure he thought he’d get a lot more
outinleftfield
He got 6/126 with bonuses that an make it 150 and 2 opt outs and an NTC.
Bryzzo2016
That’s an insane AAV for Darvish. I liked him a lot at 5/125, but I LOVE him at 6/126. Even if he dominates, hits ALL his incentives, he’ll still be below market value at 6/150. Theo played this market perfectly.
stymeedone
What market did you have him in? What he got looks about right to me. He’s a solid pitcher with a few flaws (injury prone, failed in WS). If anything, I’m surprised he got 6 years.
Bryzzo2016
Well, those that actually get paid for their opinion had him at 6/160 min, before a bidding war. To get him at a 21 AAV is ridiculous. If he hits ALL his escalators, which means he’s pitching well, he’s STILL a good 10 mil below his projected contract. Great move by Theo being patient and not panicking. The Cubs will once again avoid the luxury tax which will allow them to go well over it NEXT winter with minimal penalties. Something Theo already made clear that he will do. Great get. I liked him a lot at 5/125, I LOVE him at 6/126!!!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If he does that he opts out and they have to either greatly up his pay or lose him
sully51
smh. There’s always a team that comes in and gives Boras what he wants. Always.
kenly0
Boras isn’t Yu’s agent
gocincy
But didn’t Boras’s initial demands come on closer to $30 million/year? He got the years he wanted, but not the dollars.
Coast1
He’s not represented by Boras
emceecee
Is Boras negotiating for other people’s clients this offseason?
BlueSkyLA
No but Boras can control the entire free agent market with his mind. Or is that his mouth?
srechter
Smh. There’s always a commenter who thinks every big name free agent is repped by Scott Boras. Always.
sully51
Christ almighty. In an off-season where every article mentions that Boras has all the big names and is holding up the off-season, i forgot that one name wasn’t represented by Boras. How will I ever live with myself?
iverbure
By hopefully fact checking before you say stupid crap on the internet so you don’t look like a buffoon
dan-9
Next time just do some basic research before posting instead of getting salty with people calling out your inaccuracies.
swanhenge
So many crusty folks on here. Comments need to be 100% on point or you get roasted. Kinda like talking to my wife.
Lighten up Francis!
srechter
I was just having a laugh, bud. It’s all in good fun. This is a baseball rumors website.
One Fan
Live with yourself by not posting when you do not know crap. You just talk out of your rear end
How do you live with yourself as is with your posts that show you know nothing about what you talk about. You just talk out of your ass.
One Fan
Sully51 is so stupid he does not even know Darvish is not a Boras client.
Hey Sully51 hahhaha laughing right AT YU! Get it Yu
FBA17
When’s the first I think we can re-sign Arrieta too! Lol
afsooner02
Lol….overpay
rondon
I guess they really DIDN’T want Jake.
osfandan
Enjoy that contract in years 5 and 6….
gocincy
Any of those years are dicey, given Yu’s history and the health stats on pitchers in general. This contract is the type of recklessness that a rich team can make.
Cachhubguy
We will.
One Fan
Osfandan the Cubs fans will enjoy years 5 and 6 while competing for world championships
dynamite drop in monty
Finally the dominos can start to fall. Where will Carl Pavano sign?
srechter
I don’t know why that reference kicks ass, but it totally does.
Cubbie75
I knew it! So glad someone finally blinked.
delete
This is good. If the Brewers don’t have the discipline to enter a much needed rebuild the Cubs can be their discipline
Appbrewers
just hope Brewers don’t sign any of the other free agent pitchers. none of them are worth the money and neither was darvish.
amishthunderak
I hope they over pay for Arietta. That would be a double win for the Cubs.
Cashford64
How about missing the playoffs because your rotation wasn’t good enough? How much is that worth?
Cachhubguy
That’s a strange hope. You hope they don’t compete with the Cubs and Cards?
Pixle17
Any of the three left can help a ballclub get to the next level. Brewers need to do this. If they can do better by trade, so be it, but it won’t be easy to get playoff-level guys like Arietta – unless Crew lucks out and can swing a trade for Archer.
One Fan
Oh AppBrewers you are so burned. So pisses off. Yu is not worth $21m per year. Haha. Your team offered more then that and got shot down big time!
brucewayne
It has not stated in any articles that YU was offered more money by any other teams!
Cubbie991
it is that same thinking that will keep the brewers from winning. along with a bad owner. brewers are the mets of the midwest.
pdubs2907
Huh? Brewers are already coming out of their rebuild.
twentyforty
Brewers better check that pitiful rotation before claiming to be out of a rebuild….
gocincy
Huh?
11Bravo
???
STLCards33
Much needed rebuild?? Wtf do you think they’ve been doing? Obvious troll is obvious
delete
There’s a pretty big difference between rebuilding and just losing a lot.
nissan3981
Finally ! Who’s next!?!?!
yournemesislol
I will lol if Yu Darvish dominates in the playoffs against the dodgers.
MB923
Finally.
rivera42
Here we go!! 6/150…that’s a very nice deal for Darvish.
Darvish
Quintana
Hendricks
Lester
Chatwood
That’s a very good 1-4 and Chatwood.
seamaholic 2
Bet Chatwood is better than Lester this year. Think Lester’s close to done.
Appbrewers
I think everyone talked up Chatwood too much this year. I bet he won’t do that great this year.
driftcat28 2
Agreed! Chatwood will be a reliever by the end of the year. He’s no starter
twentyforty
And Milwaukee is counting on Jimmy Nelson. See Andrew Luck, among others, for how illogical that is.
One Fan
Rivera its 6/126 not 6/150
baines03
depends on the escalators.
MegaJman
Chatwood actually has the best stuff out of all these pitchers if you knew anything. In my opinion, Chatwood is the ace by the end of the season
milkman
What a bummer
Douggy44
LETSS GOOOOOO!!!! BOOM BABY
brewcrew08
6 years might be 2 two many but they needed a starter. I think it’s a good deal for years 1-4 for sure
ray_derek
True, less than I thought he’d get annually though.
Yankees1991
Took long enough.
CompanyAssassin
Im going to vomit
Cubguy13
Ugh! 6 years for Lester was one thing but I don’t like Darvish for more than 4
nstale
he’ll be great in the regular season for the Cubs.
BrewersMVP08
Key word is regular season
nstale
exactly.
One Fan
Oh haha I get it. Regular season because he tipped his pitches in the world series (while otherwise pitching fantastic in the post season) oh soo funny. Well we shall see next year won’t we. Of course the Brewers will be sitting October out again. Oh hahaha
twentyforty
Hahaha. Get there. Once. Then claim the rebuild is off and running. Fact is, Milwaukee still remains nothing more than average. Let that sink in for a minute.
citizen
A nothing more than average team with no cy young award winners or big payroll gave your team a run the entire last season, and you still got blown out by a Dodgers team Houston was able to figure out. Let that sink in.
Coast1
The owners suck at colluding. That’s way more years than I thought he’d get. If they’re lucky the first 3 years will be good. If they’re unlucky he goes the way of Zimmermann.
ray_derek
A lot less annually than I thought he’d get though.
Coast1
It’s possible he had an offer of 4 years over $100 million and took the lower AAV to get the extra years that he probably won’t be pitching.
outinleftfield
Think we are going to find out Cubs offer was not the biggest.
outinleftfield
Still 100 FA on the market. Read that 1 in 8 players that were on end of season rosters are still unsigned. That is what players are ticked about, not whether Darvish gets his money.
iverbure
Probably because they aren’t colluding.
One Fan
Its hard to suck at collusion when no one is colluding genius
SoCalBrave
he was obviously making fun at people that were screaming collusion.
IronBallsMcGinty
BOOM!
“It’s because they didn’t hold anything back.”
CardsNation5
The flood gates have opened. This is about to be a weekend to remember with SP training starting Monday
Kenleyfornia74
Isnt this exactly what mlbtr had in their offseason predictions
Thronson5
Wow! I know Lester is getting older and isn’t the number 1 he once was but he’s still good and not this rotation got a lot better. Darvish had a up and down season and blew the World Series for the Dodgers (including terrible decisions by our manager) but over all this guy is a great addition to that rotation and makes that team a lot better. As a Dodgers fan I really hate this but as a fan of Baseball I can be mad that a team just got better so congrats to you Cubs fans and congrats to Darvish! He deserves this deal, he’s a good dude and he’s has a good career so far.
IACub
Thanks for the positivity in the comments (doesn’t always happen after a big signing or trade)
Rumors were that the first team to give him a sixth year would sign him. The last couple years he might not be worth the AAV but overall good signing and I’m super excited to watch the Cubs and Dodgers try outmuscle each other all summer!
Thronson5
I’m just a huge Baseball fan and I love watching good ball. Going to be a very good year. I can’t wait to see my Dodgers and your Cubs battle this year. Should be really good ball. Hope we get to face off in the playoffs again.
waxbuddie
Love seeing the Cubs waste money on a older pitcher. LOVE IT
ray_derek
Me too, 32 isn’t old, and his annual salary is very affordable.
One Fan
He is 31
Yankeepatriot
The dodgers take a loss with this and not to mention their bullpen isn’t in great shape either. Arazona is pleased with this signing as far as the NL west goes
Gocubsgo1986
Don’t forget morrow. Him and darvish dominated the cubs in the nlcs
greatdaysport
Who’s the #2,3,4 &5 starter after Kershaw. Ouch!
One Fan
Older pitcher? He is only 31 troll
stymeedone
Most on this site would call that “the wrong side of 30.”
justin-turner overdrive
Finally! Cobb and Lynn are on the clock
bluntforcekarma
Cobb could surprise some people this year.
CardsNation5
With his contract amount, it’s showing that teams are standing on not handing out ridiculous contracts. Even though his contract is for over 6 years, it won’t hurt them when he starts to decline, because 21 million will be a bargain 6 years from now
Chris
Unmm no it’s not. Have you not been paying attention? This move is almost 100% likely to be a problem in the future but the Cubs are definitely in win now mode so it’s worth the risk
One Fan
Oh Chris you are such a troll! 100% to be a problem huh? Wow thats a lot. You know that how? You do not you just hope it is since you are so irate and jealous of the Cubs who are a cash cow and have their own TV network in a few years for a few billion more in dough. So lets see how that 100% idea works out for you troll.
Chris
I’m a Yankees fan. Why would I ever be jealous of the Cubs lol?
Chris
Like I’ve said, I think the move is a good risk for the Cubs. But unless Darvish is an anomaly, it’s gonna be hard for him to be of value at the end of his contract. But if you’re asking me if I’d take almost $60 million in dead money for another World Series championship, I would do it. Especially given the fact that the Cubs are still in a good position in the immediate future with many of their young position players. And probably keeps him away from a division rival in the Brewers
Priggs89
A bargain? Based on what? The massive contracts given out to mediocre players this offseason?
brewers214
Jake Arrieta to brewers for 4 year 75 million make it happen Stearns
ray_derek
Arrietta isn’t taking that contract, bid higher.
Coast1
I’m sure Boras wanted 7 years for Arrieta but he’ll argue 6 years on Darvish sets the market.
hawaiiphil
Arrieta will get 4
yr at &100 mil Phillies
PhanaticDuck26
i think so too, hawaiiphil
brucewayne
No way! He’s a Midwest guy!
twentyforty
Hahaha. Nobody takes that deal to play in Milwaukee. Nobody.
Appbrewers
yep loyal fanbase with potent offense. who wouldn’t want that to pitch with.
but definitely hope Brewers don’t give a bad contract to any of those guys. much rather they make a trade.
Cubguy13
Arrieta just came from the Cubs who have as loyal of a fanbase as you can get and a very potent offense. Exactly how is Milwaukees fan base and offense going to be a selling point for Arrieta to go to them for 4 years and 75 mil?
twentyforty
Because your park is a joke. Who would ever want to pitch there?
Tim Newport
Please, NO Arrieta – Let’s enjoy at least one season with the Matt Garza salary-sucking, under-performing, skills-diminishing roster spot open…
outinleftfield
4/84 with bonuses that can take it to 100 and an opt out after 2 years might get it done.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
5/160 at the least. Money they don’t have.
Cubbie991
only way arietta goes to milwaukee is if it is the only offer. who wants to live 6 months of the year in milwaukee? would rather play for marlins now in south beach than milwaukee. yelich may be kicking himself. be careful what you wish for. i live in wisconsin and I wont spend more than 1 day in Milwaukee. there is a joke: if you are in miller park after october 1st, you could get arrested for tresspassing.
BrewCrew54
Because living in Chicago is SO much better. There’s a reason why 3/4 of Chicago’s population vacation in Wisconsin every year.
dewssox79
im from chicago and own a summer home in wisconsin. people are moving out of illinois and chicago. amazing city but cubs fans yappin just ignore.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Yelich will get traded mid season 2019. Cain will be flipped within 3 years and they will finally trade Aaron Braun(take a close look at side by side of Braun and Rodgers. They look like twins.
One Fan
Oh brewer fans are so cute. Now you are getting Jake for $17m huh
ReverieDays
Excited to read all the salty fans from other teams who wanted him start trashing him and pretending that the Cubs don’t have the money to deal with any downside in the future.
Yankeepatriot
So he will at least get 21 mill per year for six years. Not a terrible AAV but the one thing that’s worrisome is that he has pitched 150+ innings only once from 2014 forward. Hopefully he doesn’t have durability issues
Now let the dominoes finally fall !!!!!
Jordan 5
They better win now. This is an albatross contract in 3 to 4 years.
ray_derek
LOL, did you think the point of this contract was to win in year 4?
TradeAcuna
Dar Yu believe Dar Cubs will vish this deal never happened?
Jockstrapper
Guess that Brewers World Series is on hold. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appbrewers
that’s weird. didn’t realize the season started and ended already. can be literally one or two injuries to derail any team.
megaj
Have to admit that the Cubs have some serious depth though. I mean Zobrist and Ian Happ are going to be starting the season on the bench, and Montgomery is always ready to take the role of a starter
One Fan
Appbrewer your team has no pitching. Zero you need to sign the top 3 remaining starters to compete but your team is too cheap
twentyforty
Less than zero pitching…and that’s before they realize that not only isn’t Nelson going to any good this year, he’s NEVER likely to recover from labral surgery at his age. And no, he’s not young for purposes of that brutal surgery.
AUTiger7222
#Collusion
phantomofdb
Don’t even care who the team was I’m just glad that dragged out crap is done
mike156
Here’s what’s going to happen: All the rest of the Top 50 free agents are going to be signed in the next ten days……except for Boras clients.
You have to admit, MLBTR readers and commenters would have a lot of fun with that.
One Fan
Mike that would be fun
Yankeepatriot
I will say this much. The cubs swapping darvish with Jake doesn’t really improve them all at from last season but they aren’t weaker either (unless the loss of Davis truly harms them). If anything it’s status quo which is good for the defending no central champs
Cachhubguy
Jake sucked for the first 3 months last year. I don’t think Yu will. They have a full year of Quintana. So, of course they are better.
Pixle17
I also see Darvish & Arietta as more similar than different. Yu’s peripherals are a bit better, but Jake’s durability & big game mentality balances that out. I would argue that Chatwood for Lackey looks likely to be an improvement. Chatwood is still an unknown factor, though. I think if Lester & Hendricks stay healthy, they’ll have a better year than last. Overall, I think the rotation is in better shape this year.
One Fan
Well Yankee I think Chatwood and Darvish will be better then Arrieta and Lackey but we shall see.
Gocubsgo1986
You forget that the offense isn’t near it’s prime yet, still a very young but experienced offense who’s hungry again.
fellerms4
This was far less than they wanted so I’m excited this should set the trend for the other agents wanting the moon and back. Should start to see a lot more signings in the next week
jfive
good signing for cubs but im sure we’ll be discussing the albatross of a contract come 2020 season and beyond (6 yrs? ouch! but good for Yu)
twentyforty
You people acting like the Cubs are small market on a shoestring budget makes a Cubs fan’s offseason,
Cachhubguy
It is pretty funny.
jdodge22
Flood gates won’t open till a Boras client signs. Sorry fellas but this will be like when Cain signed.
Coast1
In a week the only top 20 free agents unsigned will all be Boras clients. And he’ll feel like he has the owners where he wants them. They’ll have to meet his demands then.
Phillies2017
Great move by theo and co. No qo stipulations, a great pitcher and the splash they needed. While the back end might hurt a bit, it’s not a completely crippling amount.
twins33
Him going to the Cubs has been obvious since December so this really isn’t surprising.
Wish it was the Twins instead though.
Chris
The “low” average annual salary of $21 million per season seems like a win for the Cubs but I’d have to be really nervous about the back end of that deal. Paying a 35-38 year old $20+ million is gonna be tough to swallow regardless of ability to pay it. But I guess for another WS ring in the next three years while all the Cubs position players are still cheap is worth the risk
desertbull
The Cubs window to win is now while Bryant, Russell, Rizzoa,Hendricks, Baez, Contreras, etc are affordable.
If they win another ring, no one will care about the last 2 years.
outinleftfield
But paying a TOR starter $21 million to start the deal is a steal. It is not about any single year, its about the value provided over the full length of the deal. If he puts up a 3.5 WAR in 2018 that is worth nearly $30 million.
czontixhldr
outinleftfield, for which sports agency do you work?
brewers214
6 years is to long the cubs will regret this contract in the last 2 years
desertbull
All contracts are like that for pitchers. The window to win is now.
Yankeepatriot
The cubs aren’t focusing on years 5 and 6 when it comes to him
twentyforty
Sort of like Year 2 with Cain….
Cachhubguy
Doubtful.
Cachhubguy
The Cubs might regret it in the last 2 years. But the Brewers are going to regret it in the first 2 years.
One Fan
Oh Brewer214 you just want it to be true. You were happy when your team offered the samw amount over 5 years and got REJECTED. Cubs pay the same and get basically a free year. You would be singing a different tune had the Brewers signed him
Gocubsgo1986
There’s replacements coming in the farm. Most of Cubs top prospects are pitchers.
desertbull
Now get Greg Holland and watch the Brewers and Cardinals fade into the rearview mirror by the All Star break
outinleftfield
Deal includes Full NTC and 2 opt outs in years 2 and 3.
rerogers
Yes! Potentially two more wins for the Astros in next year’s World Series!
Seriously though, I think the cubs overpaid but got a really good pitcher. Should be some really fun baseball on the north side.
Cubs/Astros WS would be a dream for me.
Yankeepatriot
I still want that Astros rematch. We got unfinished business buddy lol
stroh
Welcome the rematch. You guys added Stanton, we added Cole, Smith, Rondon. Both teams better. But you got the RedSox to contend with, and the Angels are better but not as good as us.
Yankeepatriot
You will hold off Anaheim. The Yankees have a whole year of gay and Montgomery in the rotation and bird as well. Plus Tanaka fixed his first half problems and as such I like our chances to win the al east but it’s baseball so I’m not taking anything to the bank lol
Yankeepatriot
*gray
cub4lyfe
I’d welcome any matchup with the Astros if you’re running Rondon out there in the 7th or later.
1090198
Pirates should trade Harrison/ Nova and Cerveli . They will have a minor league team against Cubs and Brewers. Fans are going to come anyway
SupremeZeus
I think most expected Darvish to sign with the Cubs and I suspect eventually they will report that the Cubs were not the highest bidder.
cubsfan2489
And let the dominoes begin to fall!
Yankeepatriot
Arietta signs a 3-4 year deal with the cards or brew crew next and then the loser of that gets Cobb me thinks
Cachhubguy
Jake will insist on 5 years now.
Yankeepatriot
You are correct but it doesn’t mean he won’t cave in either
Harry h
The cubs are fools for signing this guy ! Can’t wait till the angels face him and pound him to the next universe lol.!!!
Yankeepatriot
They rarely play the cubs though. As a matter of fact when was the last time both teams played each other ? You best be worried about the stros
cubsfan2489
They last played each other in 2016.
stroh
The Angels will have plenty of competition from the As for the wild card spot.
MrStealYoBase
Lol
mets2424
They did it again. First Hayward now darvish two very bad deals. Cubs are nuts
Cachhubguy
And yet they won the WS with Heyward.
cubsfan2489
Says the Mets fan. How’s that Wright deal going?
twentyforty
Or that super rotation….
Philliesfan4life
we’re the cubs better off resigning arrieta or going after a second tier ace like lance lynn or alex cobb?
Yankeepatriot
Lynn is a disaster waiting to happen and Jake has had declining stats the last two seasons
In short no lol
itslonelyatthetrop
Theo pulls an Arnold Mr. Freeze, “Allow me to break the ice…”
outinleftfield
Still 100 FA not signed. That one guy signed is not a sign that the market is shifting or that the owners are not colluding, just that Darvish decided to sign.
Pixle17
Unfortunately, I think you are right. I don’t think it’s a sign that anything else is necessarily going to happen. Maybe the Cards or Brewers will respond with a signing or a trade (surprising if they don’t), but the larger market? I wish I thought it would break open now. But I don’t. (And I do think owners are colluding – if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck…. etc.)
iverbure
You aren’t in left field you’re out to another planet if you think the owners are colluding. There’s like a 100 reasons and facts that point to the cause of why the offers aren’t as lucrative BUT still VERY lucrative see jd and Hosmers deals and 1 reason why collusion has been suggested and that’s the agents as a negotiation tactic.
outinleftfield
One top player signing in no way indicates that it’s not collusion. 1 in 8 players from end of season rosters still not being signed does.
iverbure
I agree there is no collusion at all anyway who thinks so is being paid by agents. Case closed
yanks02026
Probably takes the cubs out of the harper race for next year. Their payroll will already be pushing 190-200 this year, so doubt they will add another 30-40 for one player.
Philliesfan4life
I thought heyward could opt out?
yanks02026
I don’t think hayward will be opting out of anything
Yankeepatriot
There is no reason for him to opt out
One Fan
Yea he can opt out. What is your point? Why in the world would he opt out?
brucewayne
Where are all the guys who say that opt outs are good for the team? No they are NOT!
classicmixup
Check your facts
twentyforty
Just watch. Harper to Chicago happens next year and everyone whines about an overpay. Fans of every other team still can’t grasp that the Cubs aren’t the familiar and easy punchline anymore…and it drives them nuts.
Yankeepatriot
The scrubby cubbies had a charm to them despite their tanking but I agree they aren’t a joke in mlb anymore and it’s good for the game. 108 years of futility must have been beyond horrible for your fan base to suffer from and I hope no fan base ever has to go through that again
Varangian
Can it be called tanking when they weren’t trying to suck?
cubsfan2489
Yanks02026, Harper could have his contract structured so it’s backloaded. He’s not dumb. He’s not going to ruin the Cubs payroll.
yanks02026
Pretty sure thats not how the luxury cap works.. It goes by the annual value, not by what he gets paid year 1 to year 2.. if that was the case teams would be giving players 50 million for year 1 and then 5 the next year.
cubsfan2489
That may be, but read northsidecrossrifles comment. The cubs are not hurting for money. They can pretty much do whatever they want and still be profitable.
bigcubsfan
ahhh pickle nickel pickle nickel touch my toes ahhh how tea do see? piggly wiggly is the store for me
One Fan
Backloading does not effect the luxury tax number and backloading is stupid
northsidecrossrifles
Still under the luxury tax, and they’re printing money in wrigleyville. Due to all of the renovations to the stadium, and how the Ricketts are developing other money traps for fans (hotel zachary, numerous Rickett’s owned restaraunts, movie theatre and parking complex, the rooftops), the Cub’s future revenue stream will be ridiculous. Plus they’re the only major market North American sports team without a long term tv deal, and they’re in a prime bargaining position to write their own multi billion dollar deal
Gocubsgo1986
I’m just hoping cubs network is nationwide, like how wgn had cubs games nationwide until a couple seasons ago. Made me a cubs fan in California.
ttinsley1434
Lol
Psychguy
Darvish would have been a good short term addition to Dodgers, but glad to see that Dodgers are developing Buherle. Would rather see LA go get someone like Archer. As a Dodger fan who cannot watch them on TV, glad to see LA show some restraint on this one.
CubsTroll
As a cards fan this just makes it even more frustrating the FO is sitting on their hands. They put all their faith in unproven prospects and a has-been closer while the clubs around them make moves to improve. If the Brewers do end up signing Arrieta it’s over. At this point we are playing for the second wild card
KB R.
Not going to lie, it’s great watching the fall to mediocrity. IMO you guys are due for a good decade or two of .500 or below .500 baseball. REALLY test your faithfulness and if your fan base really deserves the title of “best fans in the game”…….. which I think you gave yourselves, but whatever. See how loyal and great a fan base the Cards really have after about 15-20 years of living in mediocrity hell. I’m counting down the days until Aaron Rodgers retires too so then Packers fans up north can finally live in football hell too. NO WAY can they possibly have back to back to back HOF caliber QBs….. if they do I’ll cry…. that would be so unfair. haha. Going through a 20 year drought of not making the playoffs is a good thing for a fan base….. builds character and weeds out the pretenders.
spudchukar
I actually like the Red Bird team as it stands right now, even if they sit tight and don’t add Hosmer and/or trade for Archer and Columbe. The move that frightened me was Cubs’ move for Archer. The Cubs roster is now frozen, not just in 2018. but for years to come. A full year of Pham, Reyes, Weaver, Carpenter, Gyorko, and DeJong, the addition of Ozuna,Leone and Mikalos, and the myriad of young outfielders and pitchers makes the Cards not only a threat in the NL central, but in many years to come.
stymeedone
They already did with Favre followed by Rodgers.
brucewayne
A good decade or two? Ha! Really ? The Cards have a great minor league system
brucewayne
and plenty of new tv money to spend! Lots of good pitching in the pipeline ! Don’t expect many losing years at all !
brockswipessecond
Seriously? You would have been ok with Mo making this same deal? Pass.
CubsTroll
No, not this deal. But are you happy about the cubs making it? Are you happy about gregerson being our closer? I’m not saying they should have made this deal but there are plenty of areas we needed to improve on and we didn’t.
steelerbravenation
Now watch everybody else fall in line now. At least SP anyway.
Arrieta to Brewers
Lynn to Orioles
Cobb to Twins
rusty2489
now the cubs have 2 albatross contracts in Darvish and Heyward. Gonna turn out the same. Horrible for the Cubs. They may get 1 good year outta as he is NOT and ACE.
Cubbie991
Lester was 6 years 155 million. That one is looking good.
KB R.
it’s not that horrible of a deal. Do I have my doubts about Darvish, hell yeah. But honestly, it is hard to judge. 2017 was really his first full year coming back from TJ surgery….. and if you look at the numbers he was actually better than a lot of the Cubs starters last year.
Do I see the possibility for failure in this deal.. sure, pretty much every deal is likely to fail. But I also see the possibility that Darvish returns to form and gives the Cubs a least 3 solid years. If not…. oh well, it’s not my money. Chatwood and the $13M he’ll be making the next 3 years each year is more of a concern to me than Darvish making an AAV of $21M. I mean the Cubs paid Arrieta just over $15.5M last year. This is only $5.5M more than that. And quite honestly, even with this deal and looking at their other signings….. I think their team payroll still might be less or at the very most right at where it was last year. With Montero, Lackey, and Arrieta gone those three alone (not counting the other guys they let go) accounted for like $45M in payroll last year. Who were the “big” signings for the cubs this offseason? Chatwood, Morrow, and Darvish….. $13M, $9M, and $21M….. That’s $43M. The only other FA add I can think of was Cishek. He signed a 2 year $13M deal…. so that’s $6.5M. Wade Davis was paid $10M last year and is gone….. Bam… more savings.
It always baffles me how hung up people get about contracts…. as if they themselves are paying them, or as if the team can’t afford them. The Cubs payroll is still only like $170-175M…. just like it was last year. They could easily….. EASILY be up there with the Dodgers in the $220-230 neighborhood if they wanted to. Ricketts and the Cubs have so much money oozing out of every orifice they don’t know what to do with it….. and just wait another 2 years or so when they likely get their own TV network…. f**k TV deals, rumor has it they’ll start their own network a la Yankees style. When that happens they’ll literally have billions upon billions of dollars at their disposal. So again, I really don’t get why people get so da** hung up on contracts….. as if this team has the operating capacity of the Marlins or something. And even if they don’t get their own network they WILL definitely get a new TV deal and it WILL be insanely lucrative. So, yeah.
megaj
Its just a shame they wound up with Heyward. 28 million yearly for defense is just dumb. Almora is an excellent outfielder and only costs 500K lol!
One Fan
Cubs are not paying Heyward anywhere near $28 AAV you troll
brucewayne
Heywards cap hit for 2017
brucewayne
And 2018 is $28 million! Then over $23 million the next 5 years ! Plus a $20 million dollar bonus!
megaj
The Heyward contract is not even comparable to Darvish. Heyward is basically just taking up space that can filled by somebody else. His place on the Cubs might be the one factor that prevents them from getting Harper next year.
One Fan
Hey Rusty. Aces get $30 million plus fella. No he is not an ace and he is not paid like an ace
bradthebluefish
And these players were complaining about not getting paid. $126 million!!! SMH
benny 5
as a cubs fan I like it we our still under the tax tv revenue deal up after 2019 to keep the younger players at that point we can go over the luxury tax
yanks02026
They will probably be over the tax… According to baseball reference it estimates them around 159 before Darvish and I don’t think that number includes the insurances and stuff
benny 5
it depends on the contracts our loaded Hayward a lot where in the first 2 years I say there under because the tax gets to high after each year and we need to stay under for Russell etc in 2 years
Cachhubguy
They won’t be over the tax.
TMorgan
Cubs 2018 payroll was ~$164M (for luxury tax purposes) before the Darvish signing (source: Cot’s), That includes estimates for player benefits and other relatively minor expenses. If the AAV of Darvish’s deal is $25M, the Cubs 2018 payroll would currently project at $189M, which is $8M below the luxury tax threshold this year.
wrigleyhawkeye
$21/year is good deal
If he only sees 5 years it’s ~$25/year which is still good.
If he only sees 4 years it ~$31/year which is just above what he was projected to average over 5 years.
Interested to hear about the incentives, but sounds like there no trade clauses or opt outs.
outinleftfield
Full NTC and opt outs after year 2 and year 3.
KB R.
I like the annual average salary, but 6 years……. yikes. Hopefully it’s FRONT loaded….. you know, a contract that would actually make sense. Never understood why teams backload contracts. Why pay a dude more per year at the end of a deal when they’re likely worthless.
On paper this is a stellar move. I’m not overly impressed with Darvish’s career though. He had like 1.5 years of top tier, Ace-like pitching. He’s just been mediocre or “just good” the rest of the time. Then for those who don’t understand the term “racist” you can call me that all you want, but it’s hard to ignore the long list of failed Asian baseball players….. especially when it comes to pitchers. I mean Hiroki Kuroda is the best Asian pitcher IMO to play the game. Nomo and Park get a lot of love…. for some reason, but when you go look at their numbers they were insanely mediocre…. #4 quality starters. Hopefully Darvish breaks the trend….. we shall see. I PRAY my skepticism is unwarranted and he dominates. Trust me. I’ll GLADLY admit my concerns were wrong come October if he finishes with 32+ starts and an ERA around 3.00-3.30 or under. If that’s what happens, Darvish, Lester, Hendricks, Quintana, and Chatwood is a pretty solid rotation. Personally, I still would like to see them use my hybrid 6th starter strategy. Use Chatwood and Montgomery in tandem in that 5th starter spot. Have Chatwood start every 5th day like normal, but he only goes, tops, 3-4 innings. Then after that, every time, insert Montgomery to go the next 3-4 innings. That almost guarantees you you’ll get 7-8 innings out of your duo in the 5th starting spot, essentially giving the bullpen the day off other than maybe a setup man and the closer. Then after the start both Chatwood and Montgomery rest until their next tandem start. I think this strategy would give INSANE production and value out of what normally is your weakest starter. Each pitcher would go through the lineup only once or twice. Pitchers, especially those of Chatwood and Montgomery’s caliber, generally have more and more trouble the more times they go through the lineup. In fact, looking at the stats on baseballreference I can roughly guesstimate that Chatwood’s ERA last year through the first three innings of the game was around 3.50. Not bad, especially for a 5th starter. But his ERA in the 4th inning onward was close to 6.00. Montgomery is the same way. I mean we all know this. He’s pretty stellar as a reliever, not so much as a starter. If he only has to face a lineup 1-1.5 times through it I think he’d be great. Then there is the added bonus of the innings each would eat up. With this strategy each guy would roughly pitch 120 innings. That’s 240 innings out of your (tandem) 5th starter. That alone is considerable value added to an otherwise weak roster spot. Not to mention the fact the much lighter workload would likely mean Chatwood does the impossible so far in his career, and actually stay healthy all year.
We shall see. It’s a pretty “out there” idea…. but not too out there. I mean I’ve heard broadcasters bring up this very strategy and many think it is the future of how pitching will work. I’m not normally keen to out of the box thinking when it comes to baseball….. mainly because the game is so old and the way it is is because it’s a proven method, and the out of the box ideas tried almost always have no effect if not a negative effect. Like most of Maddon’s decisions make me irate because they rarely work, it’s the talent level on this team that always bails his a** out, giving the illusion that Maddon’s decisions are better than they really are. But, Maddon is the right guy to have to try this tandem 5th/6th starter strategy. I see only positives from it and considerable added value to a rotation spot that is often dismissed. Seriously, it’s not too crazy to think that Chatwood/Montgomery “start” 33 games in 2018 with each pitching about 110-120 innings and Chatwwod having, say, a 3.50 ERA, and Montgomery an ERA around 3.00 (in his career Montgomery as a reliever, which is what he’ll essentially be still, owns a 2.29 ERA….. I think him having a 3.00 ERA with this strategy is pretty tame). That’s a 3.25 ERA from your tandem 5th starting spot which also pitches 220-240 innings for you….. that’s Ace-like production from your 5th spot. At least worth a shot IMO. Try it out until June and see how it’s working then and re-evaluate. Again, it’s essentially giving the bullpen a day off. OH YEAH, and with it being Chatwood and montgomery, the first 1-1.5 times through the lineup opponents will be facing a righty in Chatwood. Then in their 2nd and/or 3rd ABs they’ll be facing Montgomery – a lefty. Then if Morrow is the closer, in their 3rd or 4th AB they’ll be back to facing a righty. That would play hell on today’s manager who micromanages the hell out of games and loves to play matchups. not to mention the hell it will play on hitters, constantly changing the spot where the ball leaves the pitcher’s hand going from a righty to a lefty to a righty again. No getting into a groove I’d think for opposing hitters.
Yankeepride88
Whether it’s front or back loaded makes no difference in luxury tax hit. That’s the only thing that really matters when it comes to salary
outinleftfield
That is one thing that matters and AAV only matters for the 5-6 high revenue teams that are close to the CBT threshold.
KB R.
Not really. That’s the only thing that matters when it comes to payroll…… and the Cubs payroll is still well under the luxury tax threshhold. Contracts on the individual level I would say the yearly payout does matter….. at least on a logical standpoint. Darvish is going to likely have better years at the beginning of the contract than at the end. LOGICALLY it would make sense to pay him more of that total contract value at the beginning of the deal than at the end. Ideally you want you biggest contributors to team success being the ones making the most money on your team. So in Darvish making, say, $18M in 2018 and posting a statline of, say 18 wins, a 3.10 ERA, and about 10 K/9 IP is great, no doubt. But on year 5 or 6 when he’s winning maybe only 10 games and posts a 4.00 ERA with only 6-7 K/9 but making $25M a year….. it’s just bad money. An inferior player on your team is eating up more payroll space, inching you toward that luxury tax. So yes….. I would say front loaded and backloaded contracts make a difference. Mainly because when the player is making the mot money at the beginning of the deal but also providing a ton of production you don’t really have to make a big addition come the trade deadline, or in that upcoming offseason. But as the player’s production decreases over time – so does his salary, therefore making the decision to add better, more expensive talent via a trade of free agent signing possible due to more payroll space being available, and by that I mean more space until you hit the luxury tax threshold. So while in the grand scheme of it all, front and backloaded deals do effect a team’s payroll inching toward the luxury tax.
I did a horrible job explaining it, but you saying front and backloaded makes no difference makes zero sense at all. The fact you got 3 up votes tells me there are more nonsensical fools out there too who don’t understand the concept of talent to value ratios. Front loaded vs backloaded makes a MASSIVE difference. Or do you think that Albert Pujols and his backloaded deal isn’t hurting the Angels right now. If you say it isn’t you’ve made it clear….. you’re an idiot. Now if Pujols’ contract was getting smaller and smaller each year because it was front loaded…… it wouldn’t be that bad of a contract. Point is, you want your best players to be paid the most on your team and front loaded contracts almost guarantee that….. almost….. at least they do MUCH more than backloaded deals which are almost guarantees to be horrible contracts. Because a team will need to add more talent and therefore more money down the road, but their now mediocre player (at best) who was a big deal 3-4 years ago is taking up even MORE of the payroll with his backloaded contract, making it difficult to sign that younger, better player and still staying under the luxury tax threshold. I can’t believe people believe otherwise or don’t get the basic principles of cost effective ratios.
kbarr888
Bobby Bonilla is STILL sucking wind out of the Mets financials……..Incredible.
How’s that looking………LOL
woodguy
KB isn’t the luxury tax threshold going up in dollars with each year? So if that’s the case, it keeps the contracts about the same, give or take on future contracts
brucewayne
I think it goes to $209 million next year! But not positive!
One Fan
Does anyone read KB’s eyesore novels? Nope no one does but keep writing the novels no one reads KB
Varangian
His meth musta kicked in, big time.
OrangeCrushCity
Swapping Arrieta for Darvish seems like a lateral move. Cubs stay status quo, Brewers get better, Dodgers are worse and Giants are better. Should be interesting in the NL this year.
Jockstrapper
Hahahahaha!!!! “Lateral move.” Everything about this comment is just so wrong. Love it!
Cubbie991
cubs added Chatwood to rotation. Clear upgrade from Lackey. Also added Morrow and Cishek. Lost Davis. Russell healthy(for now). On paper a better team than last year.
twentyforty
Hahaha. You realize the Cubs are ridiculously young, right? Their position players will be even better this year. That’s the scary part. Milwaukee has zero pitching. Chicago has a boatload of it. That’s the enormous difference.
Jack Taddy
“Zero pitching”
How will any opposing teams even get a hit? Bold move, Cotton!
BrewCrew54
This may be the comment of the year. “Milwaukee has zero pitching”. Um, did you notice that both the Cubs and the Brewers had top 10 pitching staffs last year? Do your homework next time before you blurt out a pile of BS, please…
twentyforty
You better check the regression likelihood for Davies and Anderson as well as the track record for returns from labrum surgery which I personally can vouch for. Then realize next in line is Chacin and assorted hot garbage. No, Milwaukee doesn’t have pitching. Let that sink in.
brucewayne
You do know that even almighty Cub players can regress
brucewayne
and get hurt too right?
Cachhubguy
The only interesting thing in the NL will be the wildcard. Dodgers, Cubs and Nats win their divisions.
Pixle17
It is somewhat lateral-ish. But I don’t think it’s exactly status quo with the swap of Chatwood for Lackey. Young players will get better, moving into their primes. Bullpen has some good arms – not sure what impact losing Davis will have. Brewers played above their ability last year (or so it seems to me), and they have some solid additions this year. Without pitching adds, I think they fall short. Dodgers are NOT worse (lol) – I would put them in the “status quo” category. Being the Dodgers, that means they are still a team with monster-sized talent. And yes, Giants will be interesting this year!
OrangeCrushCity
The Dodgers lost both Darvish and Morrow without adding anybody. How are they not worse than they were?
Pixle17
I forgot about the loss of Morrow, who was a post-season beast for them. I still think they’re okay with the rotation without Darvish. I guess I can’t argue that they lost a step. I still think that they’re probably the best team in the NL even without those two because they’re still loaded! I guess Cubs kind of did a number on them taking both their pitchers. LOL
BlueSkyLA
The Dodgers probably aren’t going to win 104 games again this year but not because they don’t have Darvish, since he wasn’t really a factor in them wining 104 games last year. The loss of Morrow hurts for sure, but then he wasn’t a factor for the entire season either. The keys for the Dodgers rotation are: Kershaw’s back, Hill starting off the season the way he finished the last one, and pretty much the opposite for Wood.
KB R.
I don’t get how the Brewers got better. They already had a pretty offensively stout outfield last year. Their problem last year was competent pitching. Their problem this year is still…. competent pitching. Jimmy Nelson is their only semi intimidating pitcher in their rotation and he has a bum shoulder….. yeah. What’s his name, Chase Anderson?, had a SHOCKER of a year last year. The 30 year old journeyman happened to have a career year. If people are expecting that year in and year out they are setting themselves up for heartache. After those two, a DL player and a 30 year old journeyman, their rotation drops off considerably…… and it wasn’t really starting at a high point to drop off from, haha. Knebel out of their pen is the only “star” I’d say on that staff. UNless they have some insanely promising young pitching prospects to debut this year….. it’s the same team as last year pretty much.
Also, why do people think Lorenzo Cain is this top tier talent? He’s the black Nick Markakis….. or Black Martin Prado. Before you dismiss those comparisons…. actually look at their career numbers…… prepare to be humbled. I don’t recall Braves fans puffing out their chests when they signed Markakis…. yet Brewers fans (and the media….. classic idiots) are acting like Cain is one of the best all around OFers in the game when reality says he’s an average player. Then to top it off….. he’s ALWAYS injured. In the last 5 years this is Cain’s average statline:
129 GP, .291 BA, .345 OBP, .767 OPS, 10 HRs, 20 SBs. 107 OPS+
Not bad by any means….. but UNBELIEVABLE like people are making it out to be? No.
Here is Markakis over the same timespan and his averages
158 GP, .277 BA, .348 OBP, .728 OPS, 10 HRs, 1 SB. 99 OPS+
About the same…. maybe a hair worse. Point is, Cain at the very least is BARELY better than Markakis. And whatever Markakis lacks he more than makes up for in reliability in staying on the field…. an area where Cain fails miserably.
As for Prado, he was injured a good amount last year or was benched most of the time. But in the 5 year span from 2012-2016 here are his 5 year averages
147 GP, .292 BA, .343 OBP, .759 OPS, 11 HRs, 5 SBs. 108 OPS+
Damn near identical. What Cain does in SBs, Prado made up for in health and staying on the field.
Point is….. Cain is hardly this superstar people are making him out to be. Yelich, honestly isn’t the stud people are making him out to be either IMO. Don’t get me wrong here either, he’s a good player. Hits for solid averages across the board….. but it’s not like he’s bashing the ball with the best of them. He’s a fringe 20HR hitter. Hits about 35-40 doubles…. nothing too flashy. People are acting like the Brewers added two dudes who hit well over .300 and can bash 35+ HRs year in and year out. Combined they can’t even hit 35 HRs.
I’m not saying the Brewers are going to be a bad team. I think predictions are kind of futile honestly. But I DO think they over performed last year, and I honestly don’t see any moves they’ve made this offseason to be significantly better. And for a team supposedly in the middle of a rebuild….. they just traded their best prospect away this offseason….. and are a team full of veterans from other teams. Where are the young, promising prospects on this team?…… and if their farm is so good….. why haven’t I heard any buzz about any of their prospects….. other than the one they just traded away to Miami. I mean on their MLB page they have a kid named Corey Ray as their number 1 prospect….. WHO?! A high single A outfielder who hit a whopping .238 last year in single A. Yeah. Their #2 prospect is Luis Ortiz a RHP who in double A last year possessed a 4.01 ERA…. ooooooh doggy. #3 prospect? Another RHP in Brandon Woodruff who made his MLB debut last year and pitched 43 innings to the tune of a 4.81 ERA… his minors numbers in triple A weren’t much better in 16 starts and 75+ IP….. he had a 4.31 ERA there. None of those guys are top 50 MLB prospects. So again, Milwaukee….. where are these highly touted prospects from your highly ranked farm system? Bleacher Report has/had your system at #7 in MLB. But that was with Brinson…. i can’t imagine he had THAT much value impact on your farm system…… but maybe he did because looking at the top 30 on MLB…. pretty uninspiring.
twentyforty
You win this thread. It won’t be until May u till Brewers fans realize just how bad their pitching is and by July they will have moved on to Packers preseason games. Just like they’ve done every year of their existence.
outinleftfield
A tome and you still don’t get how they got better? Yelich and Cain are 8 WAR better than their LF and CF last season. 8 wins better with just two additions. Since both are plus defenders they also make the pitching staff better.
The Brewers had a top 10 pitching staff. No problem with pitching. They even added depth.
Didn’t read the rest of your BS after that. Blow two facts so totally and a whole bunch more words won’t help with your sorry argument.
stymeedone
Brevity, please.
brucewayne
Dude! Take a breath!
stroh
Good signing by the Cubs talent-wise, but definitely on overpay both in terms of dollars and years, but a solid pitcher for the most part. He will have to prove he can pitch big games.
weo
Most pitchers have big declines at age 34. Many fall off a cliff. Now if you take into account his arm issues, Cub’s fans should be concerned. Ask the Yankees how many playoff runs they had after they overpaid the aging Sabathia. Bottom line is this would have been a foolish signing by any big league team.
outinleftfield
If the Cubs win in his first 3 seasons as a Cub before his age 34 season, then years 4-5-6 don’t matter at all.
czontixhldr
If it prevents them from signing someone in the future – ala Ellsbury and Kemp – it will matter.
But go on and keep pretending
Chris
CC’s contract worked out very well for the Yankees. So well that we brought him back almost immediately this offseason. The Yankees have given out some contacts that went sour at the end (Teixeira, A-Rod’s last deal, Ellsbury deal) but CC is one I don’t think anyone is regretting
doncristo
Great signing. Fits the Cubs window perfectly. Can’t wait to watch Brew Crew struggle to hit 80 wins
Cubbie991
This year is Yu, next year is Bryce Harper. Dynasty baby!!!!!!
stretch123
Cobb would’ve been a better signing
outinleftfield
Cobb would mean losing a draft pick(s) and he has not proven to be any better or durable than Darvish.
chesteraarthur
Doesn’t that depend on what he’d sign for?
One Fan
Why Darvish is better and paid only slightly more then Cobb demanded on AAV and Cubs obtain a draft pick instead of losing one which is a net +2 in picks to boot!
scottstots
The Brewers made this happen by getting free agents and submitting an offer to Darvish. The Brewers never wanted Darvish not for 6 years at least, he was the 16th best sp in baseball, forgets how to pitch in the postseason and is starting his decline years. Congrats Cubs enjoy your grossly overpaid non ace top pitcher.
chesteraarthur
Enjoy perpetual mediocrity.
scottstots
Me as a person or my favorite team or the Brewers… I’m going to assume that you mean the Brewers even though I never said I was a Brewers fan I’m just saying the Cubs offered 6yrs because of what the Brewers have done this off-season. Also seems like a bad contract.
doncristo
The brewers had to hold a special purchase day for y’all so we didn’t invade again. Enjoy the foot long in your throat all year
scottstots
Way to keep it classy Cubs fans. You clearly aren’t overcompensating for anything.
One Fan
Oh another person who thinks teams make reaction moves. Funny
Cachhubguy
Thank you. We will.
ChiSoxCity
No one in the Cubs’ rotation is a true ace, but it’s still the sickest staff in the game.
scottstots
If you don’t count the Nationals, Astros, Indians and Diamondbacks. But I’ll give you that the Cubs might be 5th definitely top10.
outinleftfield
Add the Red Sox and Brewers. Cubs pretty much stayed the same. Top 10. Not top 5.
jdgoat
Brewers? And the Red Sox only have Sale and then 4 huge question marks
outinleftfield
Sale, Price, Porcello, Pomeranz, Wright. 3 Cy Young winners. Take that rotation every day and twice on Sunday over the Cubs.
jdgoat
Price might be hurt or struggle again. Porcello is an alright middle of the rotation pitcher who has had one outlier season. Pomeranz is good but who knows if he struggles again
twentyforty
So the Brewers set the market? Hahahaha. Enjoy 30 starts from Chacin, Davies and other assorted steaming garbage.
steelerbravenation
Once JD & Boras realize he won’t get more than 5 yrs than the position players could fall in line.
JD to Boston
Hosmer to San Diego
Morrison to KC
Moose to KC
LuCroy to Mets
Duda to Rays
Buatista to Braves
Gomez to O’s
CarGo to DBacks
BrewersMVP08
As a brewers fan i am so happy they did not sign him. Now we can go out and sign Cobb and or trade for archer.
megaj
Cobb is overrated and probably will never be sub 3.50 ERA pitcher. At least Darvish has proven to be a regular season winner. You have to get to the postseason first, and the Brewers are not there yet.
BrewersMVP08
I can see where you’re coming from but I’d have to disagree with the postseason comment. Brewers are there. Almost won the division last year. Adding cain and Yelich to that offense and adding a couple nice bullpen guys is huge. Rotation needs work and i predict that they will get a big time pitcher. Remember they have Santana as a trade piece and can flip him in a package for a stud starter.
twentyforty
Almost won the division? How about faded incredibly from the AS break? Or, overachieved significantly early? Your staff is awful….and psst….nobody wants Santana let alone for a top SP.
brucewayne
Santana would be the best all -around OF for the Cubs! LoL
Appbrewers
new season. nobody is in the postseason right now. Brewers missed by one game and they are significantly better offensively. bullpen is still better than the Cubs.
also why the hell would darvish use the optouts after two or three years? he’d be 34-35. nobody is going to give him any more money at that point.
BrewersMVP08
I’m telling ya the brewers will make a splash most likely in the trade market. I have so much faith in stearns
twentyforty
Nobody wants Santana. You realize that, right?
outinleftfield
You realize that this site has reported that 8 teams have asked about Santana since the Yelich trade and Cain signing right?
outinleftfield
Brewers got 8-10 wins better with the changes in the OF. Cobb or Archer put them over the top into the playoffs. Darvish could be a better pitcher than either of those, but for a small market team a shorter term or a trade is a better business decision.
magoland
where do you get your 8 to 10 win number from? Fan graphs has it at 1.5.
outinleftfield
Fangraphs has the team at 1.5 wins better. Those two put up a combined 8.6 WAR while the Brewers LF and CF put up a combined 1.6 WAR. I took what Eno Sarris said as correct and got it wrong. They were 7 wins last year.
Add in the increase in pitching performance having better defenders in the OF and that might mean another win or 2.
Bryzzo2016
Hahaha, my favorite part of these comments. The SAME fans pleading for Yu to come for the Brewers are the SAME ones claiming they are glad they didn’t sign him. Save it. Oh and a 21 AAV is RIDICULOUSLY low for Darvish. Theo played the market like a champ!
BrewCrew54
I think they are glad they didn’t sign him for 6 years, actually…and I agree. AAV won’t mean much when his performance declines rapidly and you have 4 years left on his contract to swallow.
twentyforty
And win 75 games.
megaj
21 million per year isn’t too bad if Darvish can put up good numbers in Chicago and avoid the disabled list. The Cubs now have 5 quality starters, a very good bullpen, and a great offensive lineup to put on the field. They will probably win 100 games, but this is not a team that will do well in the postseason without an ace pitcher. I am interested to see how Chatwood matures, because he actually has some of the best stuff out there for starting pitchers
Gocubsgo1986
I’ll take 3 #2s and #3 with a ton of playoff experience with the bullpen they have now in the regular season and playoffs. National league favorites for sure
simschifan
Lester can rebound and be the Ace he should be. Not to mention Hendricks. Experience is a plus
chound
That’s a really good deal.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
That sucks.
Astros44
This hot stove is really cooking!!
start_wearing_purple
Domino number one…
outinleftfield
100 more to go.
RedSox4Life4ever
Finally we can get the hot stove burning!!!!!
Bryzzo2016
6 for a guaranteed 126?!?!? I LOVE that AAV! 21/per is fantastic for Darvish! Well done Jed/Theo! Way to be patient and wait out the market. I would have been thrilled at 5/125. This is fantastic!!!!
yankeeaddiction
I disagree. 21 million per year for a guy the wrong side of 30 with a history of arm problems. This is the exact type of move Cub’s front offices from 1909 to 2015 would love. The Cubs now have a rotation relying Jon Lester and Darvish- two guys who have proven to be dominant and legitimate gamers when they were in their primes. Unfortunately both are past their primes and their best days are behind them. The Cubs are now committed to paying 21 million for a 37 year old Yu Darvish after giving out a contract whose latter half will encompass Darvish’s age 35-37 seasons. In 2020 Lester will 36 and Darvish will be 34. The Cubs will be paying in excess of 50 million in 2020 for two pitchers who will be 34 and 36. This is just bad decision making. What are the chances both avoid lengthy dl stays? Who do they sign then? Do they just circle 2020 on the calendar and say this is when the next rebuild starts?
The Cubs front office has embarrassed itself since achieving the ultimate goal in the history of sports. The last time they gave out a big deal like the one to Darvish was when they signed Heywood. How did that work out for them? Does anyone think they are happy with that signing?
Bryzzo2016
Hahaha, I wonder why those who actually get paid for their opinion had him at 6/160 min! Hmmm, also, how did the Lester signing work out for the Cubs? It’s quite obvious that you’re bitter that Cash couldn’t move Ellsbury (talk about an embarrassing contract BTW) so they could go after Yu. I get it, your tears taste sweet to me. Oh, in addition to Lester and Yu, the Cubs also have Hendricks and Q. I’ll take that top 4 in a playoff series against ANYONE. You think you’re bitter now… wait, it gets better. Theo already said that they’ll blow by the luxury tax NEXT winter with minimal penalties because, unlike the Yankees are now, the Cubs will NOT be repeat offenders. You think you’re a sad hater now? Stay tuned, it’s only gonna get worse. This Cubs core hasn’t even peaked yet… they’re just getting started.
yankeeaddiction
My dear friend, trust me when I say I never wanted the Yankees to sign Darvish. I look at his age, the lack of post season success, history of arm problems and up and down 2017 and I get scared. I would much rather have Alex Cobb because he comes from the AL East. The Cubs will regret making this move. You gave six years to an aging pitcher who did’nt perform in the post season.
I don’t see the Cubs spending big next year. With this deal, the Lester deal, the Heywood deal, and the raises that will go to the Cubs (somewhat overrated) “young core”, Bryant, Rizzo, Happ ect this team won’t be able to afford anymore prominent free agents. Say Matt Harvey has a down year the Cubs might be able to get him on a one year deal 5 million dollar deal or something similar but nothing beyond lower tier free agents and guys trying to bounce back. Maybe a guy like RA Dickey or Nick Markakis end their careers with the Cubs. As far as Harper, Machado, and Kershaw, the only way they see the home clubhouse at Wrigley is if they take a tour in the off season.
Bryzzo2016
Theo made it very clear that they would continue to stay under the luxury tax until winter 2018 then go nuts. They’ll get the min penalty as they won’t be repeat offenders. I believe they will go hard after Harper. His buddy Bryant will help the cause, the fact their window to win is open til at least 2022 will certainly help the cause. The Cubs have plenty of money, no worries there. I predict Kershaw stays in LA. Machado goes to NY and Harper goes to the Cubs. All 3 teams are built to contend for the foreseeable future.
cubsfan2489
1909 to 2015 huh? Funny, the front office they have now has been here since 2011. Try again, troll.
Cubguy13
how did the Heyward signing work out for them? They won the world series that year and made it to the NLCS the next so id say not too bad so far
John peterson
You guys should worry more about those 500 k’s that lurch and stanton will be bringing not about the cubs. Your pitching is also trash other then your bp, good luck next year, u won’t get lucky like last year..
simschifan
How do you act like you know baseball and continue to call him Heywood?
ddub7
Yankeeaddition your a joke. Just 2 weeks ago you were saying that the next move the brewers make will be adding Darvish. Now all of a sudden he signs with the cubs and he is on the wrong side of 30, has arm problems, blah blah blah. Take your diarrhea of the mouth to another comment section.
ncaachampillini
Decision 1). Sign Lester, result – win World Series.
Decision 2). Sigh Heyward. Gives Game 7 speech, result – win World Series.
Decision 3). Send yankee addiction immediate medical, mental and psychological help, result- save a deeply disturbed and lost soul. Good luck in the asylum.
julyn82001
How much is the hourly rate for a regular worker in the US? 10 dollars? 12? Maybe 14 in California? What a joke, some athletes and their salaries! market or not…
Yankeepatriot
It’s economics. Athletes bring in millions of dollars of revenue to their team owners and their respective sport and as such you have to pay them accordingly.
Ry.the.Stunner
Not to mention it’s a talent you’re not just going to find on any street corner. Being a professional player at this level is few and far between.
When you start bringing in millions of millions of dollars on your own to your company’s bottom line and you’re still only being paid $10 an hour, then you can talk.
outinleftfield
6.5 million play amateur and professional baseball through the minors. Only 750 major league players.
brucewayne
But do you make Burger King millions
brucewayne
and millions of dollars to flip burgers for them? Ok then! Now you get it!
Yankeepatriot
It feels great to FINALLY talk about something significant in baseball again in what has been the most boring off season in recent memory !
leolujan77
Huh kinda good ig good enough for cubs
Medias Blancas
Good for them for 2018. No chance at signing Harper next year and they’ll be challenged in resigning both Bryant and Rizzo when their contracts will be up. And if he proves to be a truly bad pitcher in the postseason this will prove to be a major overpay. Darvish/Heyward for $50+ million/year alone.
Ry.the.Stunner
Wrong.
Bryzzo2016
Hahaha, if you’re gonna troll at least be better at it. This is a GREAT signing. Most, including myself, really liked Yu at 5/125. At 6/126 I LOVE him! Theo called his bluff. He knew the Dodgers and Yanks couldn’t spend anymore this winter. He knew Yu wanted no part of Milwaukee or Minny. Also, Theo said they can blow by the luxury tax next winter as long as they aren’t repeat offenders (like the Dodgers and Yanks) They got plenty of money and have made no secret that they will use it next winter. In a normal market, with all the typical spenders spending, Yu signs for A LOT more.
yankeeaddiction
Add the money they will be paying Lester. In 2020 The Cubs will be paying over 70 million to a 34 year old Darvish, 36 year old Lester and Jason Heywood. There will be major questions as to whether or not they will be able to sign Rizzo and Bryant as they will have so much money tied up in players that are unlikely to be productive..
kbarr888
Harper to the Cubs isn’t really THAT difficult to envision.
After 2018, Heyward’s NTC changes to a “Partial No-Trade Clause”. I think they’ll move him somewhere (yes, they are hoping he’s better at the plate in ’18), making room financially and logistically for a New RF.
It could happen.
twentyforty
The Cubs print money. And Harper wants to play with Bryant. The only thing the Darvish signing does is make it MORE LIKELY Harper comes to a Chicago. Let that sink in.
Ry.the.Stunner
His name is Heyward, not Heywood. If you’re going to try to troll baseball, at least understand what you’re trolling.
Jack Taddy
Rampant Brewer fan here. So happy this has finally happened. Good move for the Cubs. Let’s get this party started.
wscaddie56
He makes them better this year but 6 years seems like a reach, feels unlikely to me that he exercises the opt outs.
Cubs can have yu and I’ll take Cobb for my brewers at probably the same money as Cain.
Ryan Hilson
I’d rather have Lynn
ChiSoxCity
Sure you would, sure kid.
spudchukar
I’m glad you don’t.
Bryzzo2016
Haha, if Lynn’s mom was a GM she wouldn’t sign him over Darvish, Jake or even Cobb.
yankeeaddiction
You sir are 100% correct. Based on his age and likely contract Cobb would be a much better signing. I disagree on the contract being similar to Cain’s. In this market, with his history I think Cobb will get 3 years at around 45 million with either a team or player option for the 4th year.
One Fan
But your Brewers have not signed Cobb or any pitchers to date
twentyforty
With Cobb you’ll win 75 games. Check out his strike out rate lately? Soft toasters fade extremely quickly.
mlb1225
I didn’t want The Cubs to sign him, mainly because I’m a Pirate fan, and The Cubs are a divison rival.
yankeeaddiction
The Cubs and Pirates might have a similar record in 2018.
mlb1225
No they won’t. Cubs are actual contenders. Pirates are in a semi rebuild.
yankeeaddiction
Take a look at the Cubs roster. As constructed this is a team that cannot withstand an injury. An injury to Bryant or Rizzo could be disasterous for them. They have no closer and Zobrist and Lester will be a year older. If the Cubs only win 75 games in 2018 it would not be surprising.
ChiSoxCity
You are clueless about baseball.
Ry.the.Stunner
You’re an idiot.
Bryant gets injured.. Baez moves over to 3B and Happ goes to 2B.
The Cubs have more positional depth than just about any team in baseball.
mlb1225
While Bryant and Rizzo are their biggest producers in their line-up, they’re not their only producers. They would still have Wilson Contreas, Albert Almora, Javier Baez, Schwarber’s power, Zobrist, and Ian Happ. Most of their starers are better than The Pirates as well.
mlb1225
If Rizzo got injured, I feel that they’d move Bryant to 1st, Baez to 3rd, and Happ to 2B. Schwarber might even see some time there this year.
Varangian
yankeeaddict isn’t even a troll. Just a trolls behind.
brucewayne
No they don’t! Their minor league system is at the bottom of MLB !
ChiSoxCity
You know it’s a good signing by the Cubs when national sports talk sound like their dog died talking about it. LoL. Congrats to Cubbie fans, enjoy it while you can. The White Sox are coming!
Bryzzo2016
True and true. This crosstown rivalry will have some real teeth to it in a couple years.
Pixle17
Indeed the Sox are coming! I’m interested to see what they have going on this year. It’s not time for a breakout, but man they have cleaned up on trades!
chesteraarthur
Yeah, Rick Hahn is a good gm. It’s too bad they didn’t let him actually run things sooner.
Bryzzo2016
Yep, I agree. Hahn wanted to rebuild back in 2015, Kenny and JR tied his hands. This crosstown rivalry will actually be a rivalry in a couple of years, both teams will be REALLY good.
Jockstrapper
Jesus.
simschifan
I’m a cub fan still like the Sox , my brother is a Sox fan hates the cubs. He says the Sox will be good in 3-4 years. I think they’ll be good this year and contend next year. It’ll be fun
One Fan
Yes the White Sox are coming. Rick Hahn is doing a great job
KB R.
I find it funny how people are saying “overpaid.” I guess that’s usually the go to phrase though for pretty much any signing…. albeit completely unoriginal. And in this case it actually makes no sense. Darvish was projected to sign a 6 year $140-$160M by a lot of people (those are the extremes I saw…. a couple spots including this site at the $160 figure, MLB,com with the $140 figure). Last I checked $140-$160 was more than $126. So if anything this is a bargain. And same goes for Heyward if you can actually recall the offseason he signed. He actually took LESS money to sign with the Cubs….. meaning there were actual offers handing out MORE money and years than the Cubs did. I believe one of those teams was actually the Cardinals. Did the contract work out….. meh, most would say no, but the reason they offered heyward the money they did wasn’t because he was this prolific HR hitter, or even a prolific hitter in general. They gave him that money because of his leadership skills and defensive ability. And from rumors/reports you hear coming from the locker room he’s a solid leader and as for his defensive ability…. well, hasn’t he won a GG each year he’s been here? Heyward is falling into the Alfonso Soriano trap. People are going to bi**h about the money he’s getting paid (even though they aren’t the ones paying the man) while he’s on the team, and then when he leaves they’re going to realize that he pretty much posted his career average numbers every year and provided the team the top notch defense they signed him for in the first place. Heyward has a career .262 BA and a .346 OBP I believe. He hit .259 last year with a .326 OBP….. Not to far off from his career NORMS. I don’t get why people think he would be much better. Sure you can HOPE he gets better, I know I did, but as long as he hits around his career marks can you really call the guy a failure? I mean it’s not like the Cubs’ front office didn’t know what they were getting into. I’m sure they didn’t give Heyward the deal they did because they thought with that money he’d magically turn into a .290+ hitter every year with a .390 OBP and bash 25+ HRs ON TOP of the GG defense. And again…. they didn’t even offer Heyward the most money. yet people still lament how it was a “dumb deal” or how he’s overpaid. It’s crazy. On multiple fronts, because if we’re going to talk about contribution to society ALL athletes (and everyone in Hollywood for that matter) are insanely overpaid. But it all comes down to the exclusivity of the job. MLB and all pro sports leagues are a unique business. unique in that MLB revenues per year are now at the $10 BILLION mark. Yet the number of actual employees, the ones who actually draw in that money – the players, only total 750. That’s incredible. Then toss in the fact that on top of how few job openings there are, the prospective employee pool is incredibly small as well. So of course athletes are going to get compensated ridiculous amounts. And I believe it was written about on here just the other day, but players get about 40% of the MLB pie. You typical company allocates about 55-62% of revenue toward employee salaries. So if anything…. Heyward and Darvish and EVERYONE else in MLB are significantly UNDER paid.
Paul Heyman
Well if people want to talk about being overpaid when some players shouldn’t make the money they do, cough cough ellsbury, but I could argue for some players. But if you want to talk about being underpaid just look at NHL players salaries.
chgobangbang
You don’t pay heyward THAT much for leadership and defense, crack pipe much?:)
tgovey
It’s begun…
mlb1225
At least we hope so. Maybe it will start a chain reaction of major signings.
sfgiants49ers
Good pitcher. Hope he gets another try at the playoffs so he can redeem himself and change those stats. Good contract, he is not what he was when he first came in to the league but can still go far in starting games. Cubs should start looking to give Hendricks a good contract as well before he decides to leave them in the future.
canyon2129
While expected, still impressive addition by Cubs. Suspect they are not yet done, either.
antsmith7
FINALLY! Someone significant signs! Maybe now the hot stove will begin only 4 months after the season ends!
ifonlydetroitcoulddraft
Cheers to Cubs fans. Nice rotation!
But seriously, whoever wrote this article…you say things “escalated to a boiling point in recent weeks due to teams’ unwillingness to meet the asking prices of many top free agents”
Really?? It’s all the teams fault??? Because they aren’t willing to over pay for aging free agents projected to decline during a relatively weak free agent class?
If you’re going to point fingers at owners who don’t want to overpay players on the decline, then also point fingers at the agents whose pride and desire for a bigger payday may also be playing a factor in the lack of movement. It’s a 2-way street and the tide has shifted to the youth movement for the time being.
chesteraarthur
Well said.
One Fan
I second that. Well said!
outinleftfield
They are pointing fingers at teams that have failed to sign 100+ FA this offseason. 1 in 8 players that were on teams rosters at seasons end remain unsigned.
Paul Heyman
Does this mean Arrieta signs with the cardinals and the Cards Cubs rivalry causes the stakes to go higher?
sfgiants49ers
I almost forgot about Arrieta. Would be nice if he took a small deal with a big pay day to a contending team.
Brewers maybe? 3 year offer of maybe 25 a season.
brewers214
I think the brewers would do better to sign Alex Cobb to 4years and 55-60 million and resign Neal Walker to a 1year 7-8 million deal
yankeeaddiction
No. This Cubs team will disappoint in 2018.
twentyforty
Stanton will hit 15 HRs and Judge will be sent to AAA by May. See….everyone can type inflammatory rhetoric.
One Fan
Ok Yankee. You obviously hope so as you fear the Cubs!!
ChiSoxCity
Considering what the Yanks did to Cubs pitching last year, I think the fear is reversed.
Varangian
This Cubs team will disappoint Brewers fans on 2018.
restingmitchface
I don’t think this will be a horrendous deal for the Cubs, but people are severely undervaluing the full NTC and two opt-outs that Darvish got.
sfgiants49ers
Brewers still need one starting pitcher to match up.
kbarr888
I think they sign Lynn.
Jimmy Nelson will be back at some point in the 1st half they say…..we’ll see.
twentyforty
You’re nuts if you count on Nelson. Please stop listening to reports of him throwing early and instead do some research on labrum surgery and it’s impact on the throwing athlete. And use Andrew Luck as Exhibit A.
xabial
Then use Michael Pineda as Exhibit B. At least
(Currently recovering from TJ—NOT Torn Labrum)
I’ve seen Pineda pitch after his Torn Labrum surgery yes enigma he may be— but he recovered.
Torn Labrums are more serious than TJ Surgery, but they’re not a death spell.
Willy Mays
If win WS in next 2 years good signing. If not 4 years for 2 players who stink is bad at 50 mill big market or not.
MetsAngelsFan
I was hoping he’d resign with Texas just so we could we see Oh and Yu on the same team
simschifan
I’m assuming you mean an all star game. Cause Ohtani is in Los Angeles
Altanta Barves
Watch the Brewers respond by signing Arrieta and watch Arrieta end up being the better pitcher.
FredBlassie
How about you hold your breath instead? Ready? Go!
stymeedone
Regardless of who he signs with, if JA outpitches YD, there will be some questioning of those that made the decisions.
michaelw
Doubt it. If the Brewers sign anyone it be Lynn – There not going to meet JA demands, if they low balled Darvish at 5-100 which was their offer. JA going to be at least 6-125 Maybe 5-130
Get for real man. Head games wont work with Cubs fans, We laugh at you haters not with you.
One Fan
Oh ok troll. Lets watch that
simschifan
This is why I love baseball. If the Brewers Yankees or Twins signed Yu their fans would love it. They don’t sign them and there is a war of words between teams fans. To any team Yu is a good signing. He’s not being overpaid based on the market. Yes he has his issues and this contract may be a bust. But who can predict that? The best contract is the minor league contract and a rising superstar like Kris Bryant, Trout, Harper. But eventually those guys need to get paid. Yu wants to get paid and he did. He fills the Cubs starting pitching void and that’s all that matters. I think this solidifies then as the favorite in the Central. Only time will tell
Bryzzo2016
Haha, exactly. They should at least change usernames before their weak and transparent attempts at trolling. The exact same usernames were all over the Yanks moving Ellsbury’s horrible contract to sign Yu. Brewers fans even more so, Theo is patient and gets him at well below his projected AAV, also there is no draft pick compensation, no international money lost. This is a GREAT deal!
davidcoonce74
Wow, getting to pitch in the non-DH league in front of that defense….this could be a very special season for Darvish.
davieboy742
I love it!!!
dewssox79
cubs fans win their first title in 108 years and now they have swag like yankees fans that actually have a ton of titles. its cute.
davidcoonce74
So wait a minute, Yankees fans are still super-excited about, say, the 1932 World Series? Or the 1949 Series? I’m not a Cubs fan – I think they are a well-run team that had a plan and executed it perfectly, but it’s a little silly for Yankees fans to constantly tout this unreachable number of championships – most of which were earned before most of us were born and when the Yankees absolutely dominated the other teams financially and, of course, in the reserve-clause era.
michaelw
Mad Bro? You just better hope your Sox can keep up with your division. Hows Price doing for you for that 217 Million lol
Ookashfah
He’s a White Sox fan
Bryzzo2016
He’s a Western Indiana Sux fan trying to talk sh**?!?! Really?!? HAHAHA It took them almost 90 years to win. The difference is nobody cared, because no one pays attention to Sux. How many times has ESPN literally forgot about the 05 ship, hilarious. Under the Theo, the plan has gone perfectly.
ChiSoxCity
Oh look, another jealous Cubs fan. White Sox fans are Chicagoans. Cubs fans? Most of them are wine-and-cheese eating yuppies who relocated to a Chicago suburb after college. Thus, the tension with “city dwellers”. Just remember, all the hatred and snobbery invokes negative karma and kismet. And who watches or cares about ESPN anymore?
One Fan
Wine and cheese eating yuppies who moved to the suburbs? Wow are you out of touch. Sounds like a typical Sox fan jealous of all cubdom. Careful there karma may bit you
ChiSoxCity
Well, I figured “wine…cheese eating yuppies” sounded better than “elitist scumbags who hate real Chicagoans,” but you get the point. Most of losers live in Schamburgh or Naperville and aren’t even from the Chi originally.
simschifan
I wouldn’t live in Chicago if you paid my rent or mortgage. And I’m from Chicago. Got out when I was 18 and never going back
One Fan
Oh how should Cubs fans act ole wise one? 100 year thing is history. Its been one year now and the Cubs are a force to be reckoned with with a well oiled machine large window smartest front office in baseball and a cash cow.
Some people like yourself just cannot handle it. Haha too bad
madmanTX
Enjoy the roller coast ride, Cubs fans.
twentyforty
We will indeed. Putting a top 20 starter with the best defense in MLB….delicious.
One Fan
I like the roller coaster. Some like the merry go round. That just goes round and round. I like the roller coaster!
Not word for word but from the movie Parenthood
raef715
so are the escalators based on whether he pitches x number of innings in a year or over a couple years?
the Cubs are in win now mode, and id prefer him over Arrietta, so i cant knock the Cubs..
but it truly is amazing; you guarantee a guy 21 mil a year for 6 years AND give him escalators if he stays healthy and/or pitches well AND you give him multiple opt outs, AND a no trade;
the team taking on all the risk in a contract for an over 30 pitcher who has already had major surgery. the agent who first got a team to accept these opt out deals should get a commission every time another play gets one now.
chgobangbang
Being 32 this season you would want him to opt out before he’s pitching for you at mid to late 30s?
dazedatnoon
I wonder if any commenters on here would have liked Yu Darvish on their team for around 5/$125???
One Fan
Bingo as that was the rumor 5/125 so its 1 million for one mor year
dazedatnoon
Is it just me wondering how all these “rotation projections” have Quintana as the #4?
Ry.the.Stunner
Because the three guys above him are better.
lowtalker1
What are you talking aboot?
leftcoaster
This signing will ultimately bite the Cubs in the a.. big time.
wrigleywannabe
Clayton Kershaw has an ERA at 4.35 in the postseason, including 4.75 in the NlCS. The DOdgers should release him.
michaelw
lol. Sale gave up 6 runs in his game last year which cost Boston a trip to the ALCS. They should trade him for a few prospects, BUT not top 100.
jimmertee
I like Darvish as a pitcher but he is no longer an ace in my view. I see him going forward as a #2. Good signing by the cubs but irresponsible length of term. Six years is ridiculous for a pitcher of this age. Who cares if ihe has an opt out, six years is too long. If they get 5 years out of him and similar performance, they’ll be very lucky.
So the Cubs rotation will be: Lester, Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana, Chatwood and “my” BlueJays have strengthened their pitching staff how? By trading away one of their best setup guys. Yeesh, and people wonder why I say the Jays won’t be even close to competing this year. #scoutseyes
bigcokeslushy
Is Yu a fly ball pitcher? Watching the World Series kind of inflated that thought for me and thus made the idea of him in Chicago puzzling for me.
Oh well, I still see Hendricks and Lester having better 2018’s than Darvish
One Fan
Why is it puzzling to you? Let me guess you think Wrigley Field is a homer haven?
Wrong. The wind blows in much more in Chicago then it blows out
bigcokeslushy
Thanks for the response. I really enjoyed the part where you didn’t answer my question and ridiculed a thesis I didn’t make.
It’s not a “homer haven” but friendlier to the long ball than some. Wrigley and Miller didn’t seem like fits for Darvish in my opinion but whatever
One Fan
Sorry to have offended you bigcokeslusjy
One Fan
Sorry to have offended you
brewpackbuckbadg
Breaking News: Darvish fails physical. Signs with Orioles for 3 years and 40 million with a potential of 60 more million over five years.
Just kidding!!!
One Fan
Oh your kidding. Wow you had everyone going.
twentyforty
Darvish, Quintana, Hendricks, Lester, Chatwood
Anderson, Davies, Chacin, Souter, Gallardo
End. Of. Discussion.
kgreene3
Who is Souter?
Yekatman
“Twentyforty,” Cubs have the better rotation on paper, you’re right. But my guess is the Brewers aren’t done yet.
What about the rest of the team? Brewers have a much better closer and outfield. Infield and catcher may shake out about even.
chesteraarthur
Infield and catcher even? Are you expecting Kris Bryant to get hurt for the entire year or something?
kgreene3
6 years? Yikes, that’s a long contract for a guy who is 31 years old. Glad the Brewers didn’t get him at that longevity. I’d love to see Cobb but only at 3 or 4, hopefully Stearns rolls with what he has right now.
michaelw
Beats ZG who makes 34.5 Million each year for 6 years lol
holecamels35
Yay, gotta love the disparity in baseball right now. Teams like the Marlins, A’s, Reds have a rotation of #5 starters meanwhile the rich get richer and teams have 3-4 top of the rotation arms.
mackows2
Xabial has made this the WORST thread of all time.
The fact you have to brag about this type of nonsense on a MLBTR comment board shows you have 0 friends, otherwise youd be out having a beer with them to celebrate such an extraordinary achievement. Instead you spent all day boasting and replying to haters, which means you aint a girl either so no friends, no girl = sad pathetic life.
all you have is a correct guess to fall back on, have fun with that.
Ass hat!!!!
xabial
I love that you chose not to directly respond to me, with that remark, choosing instead to drag my name into the mud, on the bottom
I’ve never seen a more personal attack intended at anyone in these mlbtr threads, and kindly ask mlbtr not to remove it because it speaks more of you— than it does of me.
outinleftfield
Jealous much Mack? You have correctly pointed out just how much of an asshat you are.
One Fan
The worst thread of all time? Wow that is a lot
Gocubsgo1986
Woohoo, off season over for the cubs now. Just in time
michaelw
Everyone talking about how bad that contract is. At 21 Mil a year its a steal.
Were not Bost paying Price 217 Million. I’m still waiting for his play off wins BTW.
Hows ZG doing with his 34.5 Million he be paid at age 35, 36, 37, 38 LOL
Cant wait to see the reaction when Jake signs, how great the contract will be. lol.
Hmmm when hes at 6 years 150-175 watch the change of tune by haters. great signing, great contract lol. Typical.
Yankeepatriot
If the brewers spent that Lorenzo Cain money on darvish (would have had to add 5 million per year of course) then they could have had a shot at darvish. Seeing as he got 21 million per year it makes the Lorenzo Cain signing look even worse than it already does
chgobangbang
I’m guessing yu wanted nothing to do with Milwaukee ? Why I don’t know
charles stevens
If you update the story, please just give us the update at the top. I don’t want to read entire article again to see what changed.
ZMZobeck
Cubs trying to buy a championship
One Fan
Spoken like the troll you are
chgobangbang
At an AV of 21 mil for SP market , BORAS AINT HAPPY, which makes my day
Bryzzo2016
Exactly!
outinleftfield
Yu is not a Boras client.
Varangian
Obviously. But he wanted Darvish to sign a bigger contract so he could ask for more for Arrieta.
woodguy
I’m a Cards fan, and when I read this I went numb…. nice sign Cubbies… I hope we can pull a rabbit out of our hats now to keep up with you and the brew crew. I’m a true fan though and still have faith in my Cards
Varangian
As a Cubs fan I’d never count the Cardinals out.
diehardcubfan 2
2nd best rotation on paper behind the Astros. Solid core between 23-28 years of age. All locked up through arbitration years and long term deals through 2021
Plenty of time for Theo and his team to rebuild the system and
Future looks very bright for the next 4-5 years
snake120
Doesn’t win 40 for the cubs = about 3 million/win
outinleftfield
Cubs weren’t the 2nd best with Arrieta and they aren’t with Yu. Top 10 yes. Top 2, not close.
Psychguy
No one in LA will say it, but Darvish was not the sole reason LA tanked, although he helped quite a bit. Kershaw seems to be immune from criticism. The Cubs are simply swapping out Arrieta for Darvish, which seems almost a wash and ultimately the Cubs are right back where they began last year, no worse… no better.
mike127
David722, not really where back where they began last year.
Lester = Lester
Hendricks = Hendricks
Although Darvish is probably slightly better, let’s go with Darvish = Arrieta
Fair enough so far?
Cubs #4 beginning last year was Lackey. Quitana FAR SUPERIOR to Lackey
Cubs #5 beginning last year was Brett Anderson! Really, he was. Chatwood greater than Anderson.
The Cubs traded for Quintana just before the break. The Cubs were 5.5 games behind the Brewers at the break. The Cubs won the division by 6. They won the second half over the Brewers by more than 11 games.
A full year of Quintana and a full year of not having Anderson makes this rotation much, much better than last year. And that is with giving you a wash on Darvish/Arrieta.
Psychguy
You think more of Chatwood than do I. But yea Quintana better than Anderson.
Ry.the.Stunner
Who knows how Chatwood will perform, but if he keeps even close to his Away stats from last year, he’ll be excellent and a far superior upgrade to Brett Anderson. Even if he’s worse than he was at Coors (which is highly unlikely), Brett Anderson had an 8.18 ERA with the Cubs, so Chatwood’s Coors ERA is still superior to Brett Anderson.
One Fan
No worse no better huh? Well Chatwood replaces Lackey. They have Quintana for a full season and a better bullpen and rotation.
But ok whatever you say
mike127
Chatwood actually replaces Brett Anderson. Quintana replaces Lackey.
One Fan
No Chatwood actually replaces Lackey. Darvish replaces Arrieta. You see Lackey and Arrieta are gone. Chatwood and Darvish are in. Quintana was already on the team. That is how it works
One Fan
Haha Brett Anderson. The guy who made like 5 starts and was cut in midseason. Sorry he was replaced a long long time ago.
Replacing Anderson now? Too funny. Haha
One Fan
Cubs rotation last year compared to this year. Last year Lester Hendricks Quintana Arrieta Lackey. That is the rotation that rotation is what kicked ass in the second half and was the rotation for post season and rotation that ended the season
That rotation lost Arrieta and Lackey. That is who is being replaced.
You are not replacing the rotation that started the season and stunk. Jesus people are so dumb
Varangian
Ok one fan, now you’re being dumb. The conversation is about the opening day roster, which the Cubs had during their weak first half. Quintana replaced Anderson/Butler.
simschifan
Agreed, he said where they started last year. This rotation for a full year is miles ahead
One Fan
Wow I missed that. My fault
#Fantasygeekland
I wonder what the incentives are precisely I doubt it’s 25M if he wins 2 Cy youngster and 0 if not
raef715
that’s the big question…its only 6/126 if he gets hurt or isnt that great i assume.
seansean1234
The Gimenez-Darvish thing is a bit overplayed. He caught him 12 times. Gimenez was with the Rangers in 2014 and 2015 but Darvish missed the end of 2014 and all of 2015 with Tommy John.
Pixle17
I think it might have something to do with time they spent together after Darvish came back to rehab. Just something I remember reading.
Paul Heyman
The only bad thing about the cubs signing darvish is definitely his injury history. As a cardinals fan the cubs rotation is better than the cards. Wainwright is really injury prone, I think he needs to move to the bullpen, Mikolas was eh before he left for Japan, wacha has some red flags, Martinez is better than those three, our fifth starter hasn’t been determined. I think bringing back Lynn or signing Arrieta or Cobb is another route. And the last way is trading for either Chris archer, Jake odorizzi, Dan Straily, Patrick Corbin, or whoever else is a proven starter. Than maybe sign Holland to be your closer and we’re set for a wild card or slight chance at winning the central.
Pixle17
Hi Paul. I’m a Cubs fan. Not sure why (as I write this) you have three downvotes. I saw you as expressing what you feel the needs of your team are, and I agree that the Cards FO should step up. It’s a great storied team with a chance to compete, and they should sign Arietta or trade for Archer. Even bringing back Lynn would help.And Holland. Oh, and I think Arietta is better than what many think, and I would have been happy if he were a Cub again. All that said, as a Cubs fan, I would prefer the Cards do nothing, just stand pat. LOL
yankeeaddiction
You make many decent points. However don’t count out the Cards. This will be a very difficult year for the Cubs. ECW.
GMaddux31
Most people already know that yankeeaddiction is doing a “bit” similar to a comedian in an act. Obviously nobody would really believe such nonsense or they would be having 24 hour a day monitoring.
scott2601r
Great pickup by the Cubs. I will miss seeing Darvish in a Texas uniform, but they clearly weren’t trying to retain him. Enjoy watching that crazy curve Cubs fans!
snake120
He lasts 3 years tops,,,,,about 20-25 wins
Varangian
Quit repeating yourself. It was stupid enough the last two times you wrote it.
mlb-icon
And the St. Louis Cardinals just continue to sit there and do nothing as they continue to fall down the ranks of the NL. I saw MO say a few weeks ago that STL has a 90 win team. I laughed hysterically. As they sit they have no chance of making the playoffs. They will show up on the Wild Cards rankings with no chance of winning it. 3rd place in the NL Central at best. Congratulations Cubs fans on your front office continuing to improve your team.
MHanny17
How is Ozuna nothing? He was one of the biggest players to get moved this entire offseason.
mga2q7
Unfortunately he will get pitched around now that he doesn’t have the protection around him
Codeeg
This is conjecture
mga2q7
Of course. It’s my, and many others, opinion. I’m curious as to why you think it would be vastly different though
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I agree. No need to pitch to him. Does he have the discipline to not swing at those pitches? I would have rather gone the direction of Bader or O’Neil in LF and picked up a corner INF. Hosmer would have helped a lot with a lot of those throws that Carpenter and Adams couldn’t handle. Waino is washed up. Gregorson is not a closer. Just way too many holes in this team still not filled to be excited about Ozuna.
simschifan
Dejong, Fowler, Pham, Carpenter? These guys aren’t good to you?
Ry.the.Stunner
They’re good, not great. None of those names strikes fear into anyone enough to be afraid of facing them.
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I was just about to say that also. I did my own top 10’s like the shredder. I had Pham in the top 10 in CF, Ozuna #1 LF which is a weak position. Fowler and Carpenter no where close to top 10. Fowler is not a team first player. He is a last in and first out type of clubhouse guy. Carpenter has to bat lead off? That is a joke. If you are good, you are good at any spot in the line up. I am a Cardinals Fan. I don’t watch games with my heart though. I judge by what I see on the field.
cards81
Cardinals outfield is better than the Cubs Outfield…Pham isn’t someone that strikes fear in you…ok, keep thinking that…Fowler is a great hitter and better than Heyward for sure….and Ozuna is better than Schwaber…Keep thinking the Cardinals are going to be bad…fact is they have a great farm system and really are ready to strike at anytime…did they do it this year…no I don’t think so…but Baseball is becoming more and more like a chess match, especially with tanking teams like the Cubs…The Cardianls will be back on top soon enough so enjoy your time cubbies while you can
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Ozuna is coming off a career year. He was picked up for a position that they already had depth and considered a strength. It address a need for a bat but can he do it again. Team needs going into off season. Bullpen, Corner INF, Starting rotation, infield DEFENSE.
Col. Taylor
Have fun in five cities, FU MLB
kgcubs
Aloha Folks- Have to say I was at a place where it did not matter if the team secured Arrieta or Darvish, I believe it to be a good team that went through some growing pains after winning the WS in 2016 (ie: Losing their veteran leader Ross and leadoff hitter in Fowler). I am glad Yu is coming and hope the coaches and staff will work with him vigorously to keep him off of the DL, as well as to go over 6innings consistently. I am a little concerned about the money as the team approaches next year, if they try to go after Harper as well as the young guys when they will start to be getting paid the bigger bucks. I am sure the FO is working on that right now. Hoping for the best. Darvish-san, Gunbatene! Omedetou Gozaimasu! Mahalo & Go Cubs!
Frank Wagner
Boras is a cancer on this game. Absolutely sick of this guy. This is the year he gets a rude wake-up. Welcome to the real world.
Tim Newport
I think Boras is showing signs of panicking…his whole appeal, the reason he’s always attracted the top free agents, is that he gets players more money than they ever dreamed was possible. He could get teams to buy into the irrational dreams he sold. The star player may have to wait a little longer but they will eventually be rewarded with the insanely phenomenal contract he told them he’d get them, or maybe even more.
If Darvish tells us anything, it’s that the numbers he’s talked about will very likely not happen. Does anyone believe that Jake Arrieta will get more than Darvish? If he makes his clients wait through a part or all of spring training…or, who knows, even a part of the regular season, and then delivers money that doesn’t approach what he was asking for, what does that do for his ability to recruit…or keep…the highest paid players in the future? We may very well be seeing the end of the Scot Boras era.
Pixle17
I’m sick of people blaming an agent who does his job – getting the best deals he can for his clients. Nobody holds a gun to the heads of FO to sign players. I hope he continues to thrive because his clients need him.
One Fan
Pixie how is he doing his job? He had Arrieta turn down the same 6/126 deal the Cubs offered Darvish. Now Arrieta is screwed so Boras screwed Jake. So I am blaming his agent for NOT doing his job
go_jays_go
It’s not the first time. Kendrys Morales & Stephen Drew suffered similarly back in 2014.
benchguy1
Not sure we will ever see the end of Boras, but I do believe he’s panicking. Which will hopefully change his philosophy some of how he bullies teams and the market.
Djones246890
Teams have wised-up to his b.s. if I’m a GM, I’d rather sign an 18 year old cheap Cuban powerhouse than pay an exorbitant amount for one of his aging clients —essentially rewarding them for past performance in helping other teams win.
Djones246890
…….the old George Steinbrenner, Yankee, blank check days are gone. Boras will have to adjust.
One Fan
Cubs also had offered Arrieta 4/110 in January which was the same offer made during the 2016 season when it was made as an extension offer.
oaksbossko
And make it rain, make it rain, make it rain
Mikel Grady
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2. Chicago Cubs
The Cubs had a strong starting staff prior to the Yu Darvish signing. The addition of Darvish puts them on a new level and gives them a frontline ace. Last season Darvish posted his highest ERA to date (3.86), but something between his 3.42 career line and 3.12 ERA outside of Texas is more indicative of his potential. That may be even lower without a designated hitter, and we could see an uptick in strikeouts for the same reason.
Jon Lester had a down year in 2017 despite posting his best contact rate since 2009. His walk rate increased, but the rest of his underlying metrics remained similar to previous years, suggesting this was nothing more than a bad year. He did turn 34 last month so don’t expect vintage Lester, but expect better than 2017.
Jose Quintana also experienced some bad luck, posting an ERA over 4.00 for the first time in his career. An ERA over 5.00 in April and May unhinged his season. The ERA in the second half was 3.74 and was 3.29 from 2014 to 2016. Expect things to normalize in 2018, which includes losing some numbers on his career K/9. On most teams Quintana would be considered a number two starter.
Kyle Hendricks is constantly underrated. His ERA from 2016 to 2017 was virtually identical. We saw an increase in contact and walk rates, but there was also a decrease in fly balls and a spike in strikeouts. The one knock on Hendricks is he rarely pitches past the sixth inning. However, with a strong bullpen and offensive lineup, he doesn’t need to.
The final rotation spot belongs to Colorado import Tyler Chatwood. A three-year deal gives him the edge over Mike Montgomery, who has bullpen experience. While Chatwood’s career 4.31 ERA is far from impressive, that number falls to 3.31 outside of Coors Field.
Like Houston, the Cubs are prepared for an injury with extra pitching depth. That gives them an advantage over most teams in the league and will help them return to the playoffs.