The Braves have acquired outfielder Adam Duvall from the Reds in exchange for a trio of players, all of whom have MLB experience. Cincinnati receives righties Lucas Sims and Matt Wisler along with outfielder Preston Tucker. At first glance, it’s something of a swap of unwanted assets, as both teams clearly had different plans with their roster spots.
For the Atlanta organization, this represents an easily justifiable roll of the dice on Duvall. As he closes in on his 30th birthday, Duvall is stuck in a rough campaign. But he has huge power — he topped thirty bombs in each of the past two seasons — and also grades out as a high-end defender in left field.
In the near-term, Duvall will bolster the current outfield mix. Even if he isn’t able to boost his productivity at the plate all that much, he has been much better against left-handed pitching this season and over his career. The opposite is true of struggling Braves center fielder Ender Inciarte, who could give way to phenom Ronald Acuna up the middle when the situation calls for it.
There’s also some future value here for the Braves to hope for. Duvall is heading into arbitration this fall for the first time. While he’ll likely be relatively expensive given his lofty home run rate and ample playing time in recent seasons, he could still be quite a valuable asset. With Nick Markakis headed to free agency, the organization does need corner outfield options.
First, though, Duvall will have to sort himself out. Through 370 plate appearances this season, he has an even 100 strikeouts. While his walk rate is up to a career-high 9.2%, Duvall is carrying a .286 OBP on the season and owns a piddling .294 lifetime mark. Believers in Statcast data will certainly note that the slugger has a promising .349 xwOBA to date on the year, far superior to the .295 wOBA he has actually produced.
Though this swap may not bring the promise of a massive near-term upgrade, it’s a clever means of improving the roster both now and in the future. It is somewhat more difficult to understand the move from the Reds’ perspective, unless one presumes that the club simply decided it wished to part ways with Duvall and that this was the time to do so.
Indeed, Reds president of baseball operations Dick Williams says that one aspect of the deal was a desire to go in another direction in the corner outfield, as C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic tweets. Jesse Winker may be out for the rest of this season, but he’ll now presumptively line up across from Scott Schebler next year. That leaves unanswered what the team will do up the middle with Billy Hamilton, who continues to run and defend with aplomb while barely hitting at all.
It’s a bit of a curious return for Duvall — who, to be fair, likely wasn’t drawing many strong prospect offers — but one that probably appeals more to the Reds than it would to just about any other organization. All three players acquired will require 40-man spots, yet none has carved out a permanent MLB job to this point despite receiving some opportunities to do so.
Perhaps one’s view of the swap hinges upon how you view the arms that are going to Cincinnati. For the Braves, both were simply upper-level depth pieces who were likely to be squeezed out as rising talents reach the majors or require Rule 5 draft protection. For a Reds organization whose pitching rebuilding effort hasn’t been quite as promising, either or both could perhaps become sources of affordable, useful innings.
The 24-year-old Sims, a 2012 first-rounder, has struggled through twenty MLB outings (including ten starts) over the past two seasons. He has spent most of the present season at Triple-A, where carries a 2.84 ERA with 10.2 K9 and 4.2 BB/9 over 73 innings. As for Wisler, 25, he has limped to a 5.27 ERA in 324 2/3 lifetime MLB frames. The former top prospect has posted a nice combination of 8.4 K/9 and 1.8 BB/9 at Triple-A this year, but owns only a 4.37 ERA in seventy innings there.
For the time being, Tucker will help fill the opening created by the trade itself. He could in theory be a future reserve piece for the Reds, but he hits from the left side of the plate — an attribute he shares with all of the above-cited Cincinnati outfielders. The 28-year-old hit well in his run in the majors this year, posting a slighly-above-average .256/.307/.444 slash in 127 plate appearances, but has struggled in limited action at Triple-A.
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Wisler and Tucker arent very good. Sims is a potential bullpen piece, meh
says you and people like you!
Not like Duvall is that good either. It’s a good trade
Seems like the only team he killed is the Cardinals.
Tucker was only leading the national league in rbi for the first month of the season .. as a rookie ..
As a rookie?
I guess we missed the new rule that if you’re in the minors a full year it sets your eligibility back?
Ahh now it makes sense why Chris Coghlan hasn’t been called up in 2018. Vying for his second ROY award. That clever s.o.b.
lol great post
And then sample size took over…
Preston Tucker isn’t even close to being a rookie.
I’m wondering if you’re being sarcastic. I don’t know any other explanation for arguing that someone is a good player because he led the league in HRs for a single month.
If he’s a native born Braves fan, he probably does indeed believe that Tucker is a rookie.
What a comment.
Exhibit A, as to why RBI totals in the span of a month, aren’t a good gauge of true talent.
Small sample size of a misleading stat.
Wow the Reds did a wonderful job of picking up some failed former top prospects.
He is a failed hr guy haha. Junk for junk trade nice lol.
Nice to know we’re now calling MLB caliber players junk, even if they top flight players they got a lot further than all of us commenting.
That is what Duvall was when the Reds got him. I like the Sims kid in return, the other 2 are just filler.
Hopefully he can find the strike zone for Cincy. I think Wisler can become the better of the two.
Give it a few weeks. Sims is not good. He’ll be a guy that struggles to get major league hitters out. Wisler has been extremely inconsistent lately but he has major league quality pitches and is around the zone. I think he will develop into a solid #5 or even #4. He has a good arm. He is definitely the top player the Reds acquired, having watched them all many times and following for years. Sims and Tucker are fill-in players on bad teams and wouldn’t play at all on good ones.
Wow I mean. Ok move I guess.
I had no clue that Duvall was such a highly-regarded outfielder. Metrics really like him out there. But the bat has always been all power and little else, pushing it to the extreme this year. Interesting move.
Great move for the reds
Yeah getting something for an outfielder we don’t need wisler needed a change of scenery
Wisler has had a change of scenery before. He came out of San Diego. Or do you think Duvall is going to be better from a change of scenery? Don’t try and rationalize this for more than it is. Reds and Braves are trading garbage bags and both sides feel they have gained something more useful than they had.
For the Braves part, they probably needed roster slots.
thats not really a “change of scenery” as the term implies, he was cominh up through their system as a high upside prospect, not an mlb reg who was slumping
Every time matt or lucas pitched in a somewhat need be shutdown inning, they got hammered. I guess their transition to a pitcher friendly park will help them… Lol
The metrics are good for the Reds corner OFs because Billy Hamilton covers so much space. They have far less opportunity to mess up. He’s not a bad defender with the eye test, but not a really good one either.
Their zone ratings would be horrible if they didn’t cover any ground.
Take a look at the reds other two outfielders and tell me if you still think what you said is the truth. Schebler and especially winker grade out very poorly. Not buying that one.
Okay then don’t buy it. Have a nice day.
How would you explain schebler and winkler having poor defensive metrics? They play next to Hamilton too. I’ll take some logic over have a nice day. That’s just BS you came up with.
Bro I was about to say the same thing. Jesse Winker has a .800 ops and yet his war is 0.0. But Duvall has a .685 ops and has a 1.3 war. Just doesn’t make sense, and I really don’t think Billy Hamilton has anything to do with it. I agree with you @jbigz12
Lol. What he says sounds good if you don’t think about it too hard. I will say winker is an exceptionally poor outfielder though. Atrocious actually. Point remains the same though.
Duvall has a bunch of assists. He has a cannon.
That’s not how defensive metrics work. A very good and raney cf would likely have the opposite effect as what you describe.
And yet it doesn’t have the exact opposite effect.
How do you know that it doesn’t? Have you seen a parallel universe where he plays next to a worse cf and receives the exact same opportunities to make plays as he has this year? Just because he is rated well next to Hamilton =/= mean he wouldn’t rate better next to a worse one.
I assume you don’t know how defensive metrics are calculated.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Duvall is a legitimately good defender. Hamilton kills the metrics for Schebler and Winker but Adam still covers enough to grade out exceptionally. But considering my backyard is only slightly smaller than GABP, having a k prone, power only bat negates his defense
Great arm, great power. When he’s locked in he gets great at bats but he strikes out a bunch.
The metrics are good to Duvall because he is an above average fielder who is consistently among the league leaders in assists.
LOL, got an expert here. Duvall passes more than the eye test in the field. Do you think it’s an accident he was a GG finalist the last 2 years, and had more assists than any other OF last year?
He gets so many assists because Billy Hamilton plays next to him…DUH!!
Anytime Hamilton gets a ball, he just quickly tosses it to Duvall, which gives him twice the amount of opportunities…
C’mon now, everyone knows this!!
While he hasn’t been a good hitter all year, he has however been clutch late in games. He’s won, or at least extend a few few games for the Reds this year. Cleveland game definitely comes to mind.
Wow, love this as a Braves fan.
“Hi Cincy, want three spare parts we don’t need or really want?”
“Sure, here’s a starting outfielder.”
“Sure, here’s a mediocre starting outfielder having a bad year”
You love trading three major leagur arms for a dude with a sub 700 OPS in a major hitters park, who’s barely hitting above 200 and has an OBP under 290? OK …
Pure desperation move by Braves.
Weird trade, but nothing desperate about it. He will be a bench player. This is all about clearing out Wisler and Sims when we have too many pitching prospects for rotation spots.
I’m guessing he will be platooned with Inciarte not a straight bench bat
Inciarte will be part of a package for a SP.
I prefer this move for the reds. They need all the pitchers they can get and maybe they can work some magic on wisler and sims. Regardless they already had winker and schebler as corner options with senzel on his way up next year. Which will probably push scooter back out there if he’s still around.
I wish the best for Sims, but good lord he is going to frustrate the heck out of you!!
One inning he is striking guys out, having you mesmerized by his arm talent, and the next is walking batters and can’t find the strike zone..
BUT, at AAA, somehow he solves those problems, except one out of every 5 starts or so he has a 3-4IP, 5-8H, 4-6R, 3-5BB, 3-7K game…Or he will be dominant throughout a start, yet he will leave in the 5th with 7-8 K’s, and 90+ pitches thrown…
He looks like he would have some excellent stuff, with 2 plus pitches, for a bullpen role, BUT you out Sims in the bullpen, and all of a sudden he immediately gets hammered, and starts giving up HR’s..
The curious case of Lucas Sims, he’s the definition of an AAAA Pitcher, but he has the upside of a legit #4 starter, or a lock-down, with K-Rate SU man..
If the Reds got a solid 4th starter for 2019 in this deal, it’s a win.
The bottom line is that Duvall was well on his way to being a full time bench player for them.
That is the best case scenario here. Like 5-10% chance. I would bet on Wisler but he has a lot of work to do on his consistency to get there.
“Pure desperation” is a little extreme. They had expendable pieces and Duvall does have some upside. I don’t think anyone involved in the deal is consequential enough to label the move desperate.
Two arms, neither of whom have done anything in the majors. And a meh bench bar for a controllable guy with major power. Trading from strength to address a weakness.
Do you ever even tap on the names to look at their baseball reference stat line? Really go ahead..I’ll wait.
So how about them “major league arms”?
If you think you got a lot of value here, you’re the one that’s desperate.
Haha, here’s a .204 rally killing LF who can’t lay off of sliders 3′ off the black.. I wish him well but this is junk for junk Rico
Good deal for the Bravos
Why trade tucker?
Probably cause there was no room for him.
Like this for the Reds
Sims and Wisler still have room for improvement, Tucker a good filler in OF
Braves are going for it; I like that too
nothing says going for it like the braves pitching staff!
Where’s the fit on the Braves though?
Duvall is a bench piece with power that won’t hurt you with the glove either. Duvall might get a few spot starts on the days Ender sits vs tough lefties. Duvall still has 3 arbitration years left too.
Wisler and Sims had been passed by other pitching prospects in the organization and Tucker was only a limited defensive bench bat. Basically the braves just opened up two 40 man roster spots while switching to a right handed bench bat (versus Tucker as a LH one). One of those 40 man spots should definitely belong to Kolby Allard who is slated to pitch on Tuesday.
Brach took one 40 man roster spot and Allard will fill the second one.
If I’m not wrong, Brach was already on the team before this trade was made. He pitched in tonight’s game (so was on the 25 man and 40 man) and the trade wasn’t finalized until after the game unless I am missing something totally. That means they have another free spot.
Roster Resource has them at 38/40 so two spots open even before this trade was updated unless I read that wrong too.
They announced the trade during the game.
Brach took McCarthy’s spot.
Where will he play for the Braves? Bench piece? Platoon? Insurance? Definitely good for any remaining AL park games where the Braves struggled to find a decent DH.
I’m confused, but I don’t hate it
Trade that gives all four guys a change of scenery could be good for all involved
One of these guys will be the next Matt Belisle
But where is he playing?
Look at his career he played everywhere after he was traded from Atl. Had some pretty good seasons.
Didn’t do bad for St. Louis his one year there
If you mean have a 6.51 ERA, I suppose that’s possible.
When you take out the trash and you find some treasure. How did AA get that?
You think a left fielder with a .685 OPS is “treasure”?
You just wait until you watch Sims and Wisler. Just wait.
I’m glad they’re gone.
No thanks. I’d rather not waste my time watching the Reds.
Either way, them being bad doesn’t make Duvall a good player.
Duvall has had a rough year no doubt
But he also had two solid years leading into this one. We basically get a chance to see if he can turn it around for free. At worst we swap garbage for garbage. Reds definitely got garbage. Wisler and Sims have never shown anything at the mlb level. At least Duvall has shown something before.
I guess you can call him solid if you want. He’s about as one dimensional as you can get on offense though. At leas his defense rates out well every other year. Pretty mediocre player.
I think sims could carve out an MLB career. Probably out of the bullpen but I think he has a decent chance of being a pretty decent bullpen arm. The Braves certainly have enough pitchers to make this kinda deal happen. I like it from the reds perspective because they need arms and these 2 aren’t completely sunk just yet. Tucker is just filler, I believe. Braves get a good defensive outfielder with pop. I wouldn’t expect anything very different out of Duvall but he’s useful at face value.
Duvall struggled with the 4 OF rotation the Reds were using. He is still up over 50 RBIs with limited at bats and he’s got a cannon.
I definitely agree that we will not miss any of the three. Is this a platoon with Inciarte move?
That’s what mark bowman is saying, but Duvall isn’t very good against lefties either.
You’re crazy, Duvall has killed lefties.
yeah 224 BA and a 330 OBP against lefties with 23 SOs in 85 ABs is killing it. I think you’re the insane one.
Duvall hasn’t killed anything but rallies..
Maybe not at this point this year but he has in his career and most of his homers this year are against lefties.
Wrong again… he’s hitting .241 vs LHP for his career and this year of the 15hr he’s hit, 10 have come off RHP.. Carry On and don’t let facts get in the way bro
I’m guessing yeah. Ender can’t hit lefties. I would bet Acuna will see some time in center against lefties with Duvall coming into left.
This is a weird trade because I both like it and hate it for both teams.
Why would the Reds trade a controllable outfielder for a few guys who have struggled to find any sort of success in the majors? But on the other hand, it’s impressive that they were able to get some interesting lottery tickets for a guy who can’t draw walks and who’s too reliant on power.
Why would the Braves trade a few pitchers that weren’t far removed from being top prospects for an inconsistent bat that seems like a 4th outfielder with Acuna, Ender, and Markakis already there? But it’s also impressive that they were able to consolidate a few potential spare parts into a more known commodity.
Reds have Winker and Schebler in the corners for the next few years that are both better than Duvall. Senzel will need somewhere to play, possibly LF.
In that regard I like the move, it’s just a confusing one for both teams from my view. But yeah, anything to clear a spot for Senzel is a good call to me because I think he’ll be incredible.
For the Reds they have Jessie Winker to play left field next year.
(season ending surgery).
His OBP was over 400 for this year.
Just did not need Adam any more.
Dang, Braves just cleared 2 40 man spots in that move.
Hopefully the Reds put Sims to use. I don’t believe he is as bad as his numbers suggest. He’s got good numbers in AAA. Just needs to be able to pitch every 5 days and not shuttled constantly back and forth from the minors to the majors every 10 days.
Jon429, you hit it on the head… Braves needed roster spots so they can call up the really good arms from the minors… and Duvall gives Braves power off the bench, a 4th OF, and a DH in AL parks. Nicely done by both teams. Sims and Wisler really need the change of scenery.
From a Reds fan, thx for the info
Maybe the Reds want Jay Bruce back?
Done and done!
Lucas Sims is a live arm
Goodbye and good luck to the three of them, but was a fourth outfielder/bench piece with a ridiculously high strikeout rate really that much of a priority? I guess it’s an improvement over Tucker, at least. I’d like to see more of Reed, though.
Odd move really, maybe he can PH or get a start so someone can rest … nice power but for Atlanta LF and 1B are solid spots with Acuna and Freeman. Didn’t give much up at all, who knows maybe Duvall plays in 2019 if Markakis leaves.
Maybe the Braves move Duvall for someone else ?
Duvall can play corner OF/IF. Gives platoon for Ender by moving Acuña to CF, plus power option at third base. Duvall has 3rd most HRs on Braves now. That being said, not sure how he’ll be used. Interesting move.
He hasn’t played third since the Reds acquired him. First occasionally and only left field.
Once you choose to play Bautista at 3B, you open yourself up to anyone who even thought of playing 3B being a candidate to give it a try.
Duvall played in RF when the Reds had Marlon Byrd.
Rays want catching and power OF for Archer. Braves just picked up a power OF. Have several possible C prospects to deal (Jackson, Cumberland, Lugbauer…anyone but Contreras).
This may be all about putting the pieces together to get Archer.
And if that falls through, Duvall’s controllable for several more years. Markakis is a FA. So next year Acuna moves to RF and Duvall slots in at LF and the Braves have a legit backup at 1B for the first time in a while.
Yeah, that’s what was holding up Archer, was ATL getting Duvall… lol That’s awesome.. Carry on
rays asked for best/final offers…this could be braves’ best shot
Acuna will not move to right field. He has always played CF and if he’s moved it will be to CF with Ender being traded, otherwise he remains in LF which is the more demanding corner outfield spot.
Since when is LF the more demanding corner slot? Most of the notoriously bad defensive outfielders typically play there. Seems to be where bad OF’s typically play.
Because there are a lot more right handed hitters than left handed hitters. Why do you think the Dodgers put Kemp in left field? Fenway Park is more demanding in right field because it’s so spacious. Some stadiums require a better right fielder but throughout the history of baseball teams have typically played there worst defensive outfielder in right field.
Interesting scenario. I like it.
Or, it makes Acuna expendable, and he goes to TB for Archer. Lol
As a Braves fan, meh. Duvall sucks, barely over the mendoza line, and doesn’t hit lefties well. So he’s just a bench bat? What’s the point of this?
Clears 40 man roster spot for Allard. Plus better pop than Tucker off the bench. Not saying I’m a huge fan, but I bet that was part of the thinking.
Duvall is a right handed hitter that kills lefties.
No….. No he doesn’t.. You can keep saying that but it won’t make it true… .224 is not “killing lefties”
Maybe it’s just an insurance piece just in case Markakis doesn’t return next year?
Adam is LF or 1B.
Y’all saying this was a bad trade on either side don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. The Reds have a younger outfielder who needs to play, and no pitching. The Braves have a ton of pitching and just got a cheap power bat with players they don’t need. It was a good trade for both teams.
What an absolutely pitiful return for Cincy.
Reds fan here. Pleasantly surprised by the return. Reds pitching at AAA is paper-thin. They traded an corner OF on the wrong side of 30 who also may have durability issues (he is diabetic) and he never been a 2nd half performer.
Mark Reynolds Jr.
For those Braves fans questioning where Duvall will play, I will point out that he was originally a third baseman. I think there’s a chance the Braves could play him there at times.
He plays 1st too. He was near the top in OF assists last year as well
Not a big fan of Duvall, but he was pretty good a couple of years ago. A bench/DH guy now. I guess those 40-man roster spots were pretty important to the Braves. Cincy got two arms that have potential and a 4th outfielder.
Duvall is closer to a Gold Glove caliber left fielder than he is to being a DH. He has a terrific arm that’d also play great in RF. Bench guy maybe. But a guy who should play an outfield corner when in the lineup, not DH.
This is really about two things.from the Braves standpoint.
1) Opening a roster spot or two up to bring up Allard and possibly acquire or bring someone else along.
2) Getting someone with a pulse to platoon with Enciarte against Lefties (obviously Acuna would move to CF and Duvall would slide in at LF). Only sad thing here is that Duvall really isn’t that great against LHP’s this year, but ANYONE would be better than Inciarte and his .236 slugging .. that’s right, .236 slugging percentage against LHP’s.
Really not a bad move by the Braves.
Flipping him to Cleveland?
Red Sox acquire Ian Kinsler.
Wait, so the Braves have added 2 bullpen arms and a power bat without giving up a significant prospect? Not world beaters granted, but still solid.
Uh … all the pitchers in the deal are going to Cincy
I’m referring to Venters, Brach, and Duvall.
I’m with you roddo. The Braves have added some very solid pieces and haven’t given up any of the future Farm to do it. Int pool money and a few guys not in long term plans. Great job by AA and the rest of the FO
Looks like the Braves opened up a 40 man spot for Allard and his start tomorrow.
The Braves gained two 40 man roster spots with this move. Obviously one spot will be used for Allard. It will be interesting to watch who takes the other spot, or what other moves are on the horizon.
Kinda glad to see Sims and Wilser moving on. Wish them the best in Cinci though! Preston Tucker did well in his time in Atlanta, we just couldn’t give him enough at-bats.
Love the Duvall pickup though! Good defense and power. hopefully he can get that average up.
Riley and Soroka for Suarez and Castillo. Who hangs up first?
Both teams realize it’s in their best interest to keep their own guys and mutually hang up…
That would be an interesting trade scenario. I imagine the Braves would have to add a little bit more to what they give to Cincy but it really would be fascinating to see who hangs up first.
Reds would hang up so fast. Suarez is a top 10 MVP candidate and Castillo has the best stuff (not good results this year) on the staff.
Reds hang up. Awful deal for the Reds
I like Duvall’s walk rate and ISO against lefties. I think he could help the Braves in certain situations.
Matt Wisler has the stuff to be a decent #2 or #3 pitcher in the majors, his problems are all mental. Hopefully he will find whatever he lacks in Cincy. Sims will turn out to be a decent reliever and Tucker may or may not become a reliable 4th outfielder. Duvall can give the Braves the power bat off the bench they need and protection for Freeman when Markakis or Enciarte need a day off. Good trade for both teams, maybe a slightly higher upside for the Reds long term, but at the same time a little riskier for them.
Good deal for both teams. Braves get a upgrade in Duvall over Tucker. Reds get 2 SP a chance to pitch and maybe work some stuff out, who were passed on by the Braves stash of arms. No risk taken from either teams.
Meh. Nothing to get excited about either way. Don’t know much about Duvall. Guessing he’ll platoon against lefties since Ender is awful against lefties. Maybe give Freddie a day of here and there.
I absolutely agree that Wisler has lacked with his mental toughness at times. He has demonstrated the stuff to fool batters on occasion. I actually blame the braves for rushing him to the majors when he wasn’t ready. It often appeared that he went about thinking that if he didn’t pitch perfect it was almost impossible for the braves to win. That type of approach got him trying to be too fine and too perfect which caused problems. Hopefully Wisler will get that fixed at some point. He reminds me somewhat of how Charlie Morton seemed years ago.
It’s decent. Wisler and Sims have some arm talent and are fairly young, just ran out of opportunities in Atlanta. Duvall is what you get. More worried of him suddenly not being able to connect bat to ball than expecting him to start hitting. He’ll give the Braves a decent option next year if Markakis isn’t resigned and if he’s a bench bat all the better to help spell Freeman occasionally.
I think the braves gave up on sims too early.. weisler has had his chances and hasn’t beeen consistent.
Good 4th of pick for the braves. I don’t think he’ll spell incarnente, maybe Marsalis next year. Incarnate plays the game too hard, he just needs to relax and be a natural at it.
Those names tho. Weisler, Marsalis, and Incarnente. lol
I mean it all just depends on the development of Acorna and Olbis. They won’t need many more pieces if those two and Eddie Fermans keep producing
Duvall was not in the Reds’ future plans, so they were just trying to get something for him while he still has some value. They took quantity and could have done worse. Good luck to the Reds in figuring out how to make Wisler consistently effective.
What’s the old baseball saying, if both fan bases are unhappy with a trade it’s probably a fair trade. I’m not sure if this situation fits but it’s close.
Decent trade for both clubs, I think.
Braves are battling for a playoff spot and want to win now, so they trade three guys that aren’t in their plans for this year for a power bat off the bench who also plays excellent defense. Duvy is what he is: a 220 hitter who strikes out a ton but probably hits 30HR a year. (Rob Deer with better defense).
Reds needed to trade either Duvall, Billy Hamilton, or both to make room for Winker next year (maybe Senzel too, if Suarez goes to SS and Peraza to CF).. Sims is the main piece of the trade for Cincy: he has #2-3 starter potential if he gets his mechanics straightened out (Danny Darwin is good at that). Wisler has a good FB and slider, but he needs to develop a change-up if he’s ever going to be more than a bullpen piece. Tucker gives them an outfielder to replace Duvy for the rest of this year, and actually is a lot like Duvy (good power, strikes out a ton), though not as advanced at this point in his career.
With penny pincer ownership every deal is looking at the bottom line. They will let Markakis walk most likely, won’t offer him a 3 year deal.
If the Braves offered Markakis a three year deal the whole front office should be fired unless it was a VERY cheap deal.
Look I greatly appreciate both Markakis’s character and professionalism, but it is highly questionable whether he could produce at starter level performance for three more seasons. He is in the midst of a career type season and I love his ability to have quality atbats but I just don’t think it is likely or logical to expect Atlanta to sign him on a three year deal.
Stop the nonsense the man has earned a 3 year deal with his leadership and being a mentor for the young kids alone. It’s not like by the 3rd year the core players will be making any money Acuna, Alvie’s, Camargo, Dansby & the whole 4/5 of the rotation will all be prearbitration
Will he put up the same numbers next year as he has this year of course I am not expecting him to but these young kids need somebody to teach them how to play the game the right way and lead by example a consummate pro
I want Markakis to retire a Brave ever since he threatened to punch John Hart in the face for trying to embarrass Snitker in front of everybody by cursing him out
He is the Braves unquestionable leader and the perfect mentor for these young position players
Not sure I’d call them penny pinchers. The Braves have had A LOT of bad contracts the last few years to clear. Next year is a year w/ no bad contracts, and spending can be done. Sure, they don’t have the Red Sox or Yankee’s bank account, but how many times have we seen high salaries don’t equal World Series trophies.
Wow, Sims stock has taken a complete nose dive. Traded for an MLB . avg player w/ other prospects.
Im high on tucker. Give him playing time
This is a really good deal for the red more so than the braves. I wish we got the duval if last year but this isn’t a bad move for us I guess.
Basically, the red who are in complete rebuild will get 3 former top prospects and high 1st round draft picks that have shown shown some flashes of excellence and a lot of flashes of bad. But it’s a good situation for them cause they are all mlb ready and the reds can afford to give them that one more legit chance to be good again. Sims I think will never be more than long relief bullpen guy, Wisler will be a good pickup for them as he might end up being a solid pitcher if he can ever get over the mental side of things. And tucker is a good player for them to get straight up. So personally, if I’m.a reds fan, I’m very satisfied with this move. As a braves fan, I’m just meh. It’s definitely not a bad move for our situation. I think I was still hoping Wisler and tucker would turn around and be good
If I were Cin, I’d put Wisler in a position to close, or be an 8th inning guy. Seems to me he always did ok in that situation in Atlanta when he was used there. He’s got the stuff.
Not surprised Duvall was traded. Just figured it wouldn’t happen till off-season. It means Scooter Gennett will stay in Cincinnati with a long term deal and Nick Senzel will play one of the corner outfield spots in 2019
Dick Williams said the Reds made the trade to clear the way for Winker and Schebler to be their corner outfielders moving forward.
As a Reds fan I have mixed feelings about this deal. I am hopeful that they got some arms that will help. However I’m not sure we needed another lefty bat in the outfield. I definitely hate to lose Duvall’s defense. Not really sure how good a fielder Tucker is.
The thing that really concerns me though is the thinking behind the trade. It seems like the Reds are trending away from being a defensively sound team. Winker is one of the worst fielders in the league and Schebler is below average. Gennett is not good at second, Peraza is still getting established at SS, and Suarez after breaking through at third defensively last year has taken a step back this year. And I read in these posts numerous people calling for them to trade Hamilton.
I understand sacrificing some defense at a position or two in favor of offense, but not multiple positions. And if Winker and Schebler are going to be their corner outfielders they need to have Hamilton in center. And the truth is that while he is limited on offense when he does get on base he scores between 40 to 50 percent of the time. Leave him at the bottom of the order and as a secondary lead off man where his potential is maximized and his deficiencies are minimized.
I’ve seen the version of the Reds who couldn’t field but scored a lot of runs. Adam Dunn “playing” left field. It didn’t work. I really don’t want to see it again. Please Reds focus on acquiring and developing well rounded players. I like Winker and Schebler I really do, but how long before they’re being traded because they’re too one dimensional. And then what will they receive in return.
Guess Braves are going back to the high power low contact plan? Not sure i get this trade unless it’s to clear roster space for something. I’m not upset about the players involved in the swap, just dont get it…but then again I’m not a mlb GM either
Clears spots, gets rid of unwanted players. Gives a big bat off the bench. Allows flexibility against Left Handed pitchers down the road and in the playoffs, etc.
Costs wasn’t much, Wisler has needed a new team for a bit, Sims isn’t panning out like some other talent might and Tucker, well, he’s moveable anytime.
Braves are still in the top 3 or 4 for average, clearly not a sign of changing to low avg high power.
I’m with you Mack. This single trade in NO WAY points to the Braves going all in on low contact power and Sacrificing the contact that has gotten where they are this year.
The starting lineup hasn’t changed and I personally don’t think it will change much if at all this season. Duvall is just a good late game pinch hitting bat.
Anyone hear of any other rumors going around on what else atlanta is planning on doing? I really don’t see them stopping with just Duvall.
This is a cut bait with duvall. He is barely hitting over 200 and the reds have other options that can fill in in left. Maybe Senzel or Taylor trammel. Jesse Winker is great on offense but had a hole in his glove. Cincy will just have to wait and see how the players they got in return pan out. They have gotten players such as suerez, schebler and Peraza. Who have all three turned into good players. Ohh and Braves fans duvall is also 30 years old. You gave up three players around 25 with major league experience. You got screwed on this one. Wasn’t one of the players a first round draft pick? Yes he was. Three players for duvall? Lmao. I wonder what they will give for homer bailey. He is 30 with a huge contract. But he has pitched multiple no no’s. Lol do you want billy ham too. A fast player with great defense hitting 200.
Just wait when you have Wisler on the mound and he is giving up back to back HR’s. Duvall might be almost 30 but he is also controllable through 2021. He was an all star a few years ago which I would bet on him doing that again versus any of the players the Braves gave up. This trade was about need for both teams and since the Braves are contenders, and extra bat is night. Cincy can try to work manic on Wisler and Sims but both of them just don’t seem to have gotten any better. They tend to get worse as the last few years have went by so both teams are taking chances. It’s what baseball is all about.
Funny how imthia rmtrade has made Cincy people hostile. Guess it’s cuz all they got were 2 pitchers with + .500 ERA’s at the major league level.
I’m not hostile. I’m glad duvall is gone. A 200 ba is a triple a player not mlb. He made one all star game and people think he is great. He is not. He is average defender not fast at all. Want power ok at great America small park this year he has 15 hrs. Is all that worth giving up 3 players. No way. I’ll take just about anyone just to not see him in the lineup. I remember a few years ago everyone was all in on Todd Frazier who was a one time all star. What had he done since cincy dropped him. Nothing. Duvall is worst than jay Bruce and that’s saying something