Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch writes that the Cardinals believe they have a sense of what it would take to extend recently acquired first baseman Paul Goldschmidt as well as the ability to make a “strong, market-right offer” to the slugger. A five-year extension offer from the team “would look something like five-years, $150 million,” per Goold, who suggests that it’s possible that the Cards could tweak an offer to technically be for six years and subsequently include a bump in Goldschmidt’s 2019 salary. All of that, of course, depends on how comfortable Goldschmidt is in betting on himself, how strongly he wants to test free agency and how he takes to his new environs in St. Louis. And, it should also be emphasized, it does not appear that any formal offer has been made at this point. The suggested terms would align closely with the $151MM extension signed by Jose Altuve in Houston last offseason, although Altuve’s new contract begins in his age-30 season, while any deal extending St. Louis’ control of the already 31-year-old Goldschmidt would begin in his age-32 campaign.
More from the division…
- Newly signed Cubs right-hander Kendall Graveman isn’t likely to pitch in 2019 as he recovers from Tommy John surgery, but as he explained in a recent appearance on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (Twitter link, with audio), he’s viewing the rehab process as an opportunity to learn from an experienced Cubs rotation and a progressive, young coaching staff. “That’s something I don’t take for granted,” said Graveman of being a teammate of pitchers like Cole Hamels, Jon Lester and Kyle Hendricks. “I’m going to be in an organization that has got a lot of experience at not only at the big league level but in playoffs, and I think that excites me. It’s something that, while I’m not performing on the mound, I can be a student of the game and learn under these guys. … What they’re going to be able to teach me during this process of not pitching, is something that, almost, you can’t get while you’re pitching.”
- The Reds have already added a pair of starters to their rotation, picking up a pair of one-year rentals in the form of Tanner Roark and Alex Wood, but MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon writes in his latest Inbox column that the team has “made it clear” that it hopes to continue making additions. However, while Cincinnati has been connected to Dallas Keuchel, the top remaining free-agent lefty on the market, Sheldon suggests that the Reds will be “very careful and likely hesitant” when it comes to taking a risk of that magnitude. Keuchel’s asking price has been reported to be as high as six years, and MLBTR predicted a four-year, $82MM contract for the former AL Cy Young winner at the outset of free agency.
- Last week’s trade of Domingo Santana to the Mariners was in part motivated by the fact that he’s out of minor league options, Brewers general manager David Stearns told reporters following the swap (link via Todd Rosiak and Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel). Ben Gamel, acquired from Seattle in the deal, can still be optioned freely for another season. Milwaukee likely could’ve received more in return for Santana had he been traded last offseason, when he was coming off a stronger year and had more team control remaining. Stearns, however, didn’t express regret over not trading Santana last winter. “I don’t know if our evaluation of Domingo ever wavered from being a really talented player,” said the GM. “…[W]e brought in some really talented outfielders last year and Domingo got off to a slow start, and never really recovered to regain significant playing time at the major-league level. … We do think Domingo is a really talented player and a true professional. I think he’s going to do well in Seattle.”
ABCD
Graveman will be the 2020 Comeback Player of the Year. Great knowing this after the Cubs won the World Series in 2019.
petrie000
I’m just wondering how long it will take to take certain posters here to cook up some interpretation of Graveman’s state to be an admission that the Cubs are ‘broke’…
ChiSoxCity
What, are you drunk already? In English, please.
themed
Graveman will probably never pitch again and Lester and Hammel will most likely join Darvish and Marrow this year on the DL. And it will be the last we see of cub fans on here for years to come.
Ry.the.Stunner
Lester has pitched over 30 games per season in each of the last 11 seasons, but sure, evidence points to “injury-prone” Lester to land on the DL this year. [insert sarcasm]
nikki29a
more like 12 seasons if you count all of his postseason (postseason is more stressful on the body due to fatigue and the players ramping it up). due to those factors and the fact he is 30+ he is at a higher risk of being injury prone. not saying he will be but baseball has a funny way of evening out
excusemeflo
I disagree. Even with the mileage, I’d still bet on him to stay healthy over just about any young arm. He’s proven to not have dangerous mechanical flaws and is a big, durable body built for longevity.
nikki29a
while you may be right and i don’t disagree with you with anything that gets a lot of mileage things break down. all i’m saying it’s within the realm of possibility and fluke injuries do happen. hope it he has a healthy 19 i wanna see my cards beat a full strength cubs (for the overall game it’s good to see 2 or 3 good teams fight it out for spots than a runaway team especially with teams with storied rivalries).
Ry.the.Stunner
It’s certainly possible, but that’s purely speculation based on mileage and age. There’s no way to know that and there’s certainly no past evidence to indicate that will happen like this moron “themed” seems to suggest.
nikki29a
very true he has shown nothing in the past of breaking down but he is starting to get to the high risk for injury in his career and it’s not a knock on him it happens to all players eventually some sooner than others. in lester’s case i hope it’s later because if he goes down that rotation is in serious trouble
excusemeflo
As a Cubs fan, I agree with you there. This has the looks of a very competitive division top to bottom. It should be a fun race all the way to game 162 (or further)
dcahen
And we all know Lester doesn’t waste his arm on throws to 1st, fielding his position, or picking off runners; so there’s that!
zpgreen
Cuba are definitely not broke, but they need to be careful and deliberate with their money in the next few years to make sure they can keep their core intact. Unless they aren’t worried about the luxury tax, then they can spend all the money they want. The Ricketts are flush with money and all the revitalizing and developing of Wrigley they are doing is just deepening their pockets. Not too mention getting their own regional network and breaking away from the WGN and Comcast/NBCSN deals will at least double their cash flow from media distribution.
Sheep8
Damn! There goes the Socialist experiment!! It was a good run….then again, perhaps we should set up a GoFundMe for the island nation.
Texassooner
Darvish, like so many other Asian players, struggles with the pressure of national coverage and excessive expectations. He was in a perfect place in Texas with a smaller market and lower expectations. My hope is he will find his way back to Texas before his career inescapably turns downward.
lowtalker1
Dallas isn’t a small market
It’s upper medium
wrigleywannabe
That, or he got hurt.
ABCD
What? Darvish won Game 7 of the 2019 World Series!!
socraticgadfly
And Graveman got the save for Darvish.
ABCD
No, Melancon did. Graveman didn’t pitch in 2019. .
debubba
Glad we’re dumping all of the Asian players into one pot. Nevermind that Ichiro, Nomo, Matzuzaka, Tanaka, Ishikawa and the new ROY from the Angels have done reasonably well in a large stage. It’s like saying that all Cuban players (like Puig and Cespedes) are lazy.
afenton530
what planet are you on???
Djones246890
Compared to Chicago, Dallas is a very small market.
That’s why a lot of guys can’t hack it in Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, or even Boston. Those are the “big boy” pressure-packed markets. And the media (and fans) are rather unforgiving.
excusemeflo
I didn’t know Jason Hammel was still a Cub
ABCD
Hammel wasn’t but Hamels, Lester, Hendricks, Darvish, Quintana all had steady , above-average years. Montgomery only had to make a half dozen spot starts.
ABCD
You must have missed it when Melancon struck out Goldy in Game 5 to send the Cubs to the LCS.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Game 4. Rather secure another NLDS at home not have go back to St Louis.
Also Javy Baez was the MVP of the NLCS with 7 home runs, 13 rbi 15 hits 10 for extra bases. That’s what 15 for 22. BA of .681. Most important no Ks. Bryzzo went back to back in 5 straight postseason games. Including a game tying grand slam by Rizzo in the 13th. Bryant hit the very next pitch and hit himself on the manual scoreboard for the longest home run in Wrigley field history 530ft.
That was to secure game 3 of the world series vs the Astros.
On consecutive games Bill Murray and Eddie Vedder throw out the first pitch. Along with Jim Belushi in game 5.
jdgoat
Themed, insightful and as unbiased as ever. What’s this, the fourth year of the Cubs incoming demise you’ve been spewing now?
themed
No second year. I predicted they wouldn’t last long in the playoffs last year and hehehe they didn’t even get out of town in the playoffs. Things are going to be much much worse for them this year. There little window has slammed shut. It’s over now get back to being the loveable losers they have been for the last two century’s
simschifan
This guy literally knows nothing about baseball. He just has an account to trash the cubs and say how good the cardinals are. He’s literally the biggest troll on here cause he adds absolutely nothing legitimate to any conversation
twentyforty
Which is why he’s the best poster on here because his 2016 was so absolutely, incomprehensible horrific for him.
JKB 2
@themed
Will the Cardinals ever see the postseason again?
petrie000
Hammel was let go long ago. so personally i’m now questioning your ability to read the future, since you don’t seem to have much of a grasp on the present…
twentyforty
Hammer huh? I know you’re a clown but even the worst clowns know the difference between Hammel and Hamels.
Kayrall
Troll
JKB 2
@themed
Since Jason Hammel does not even play for the Cubs why would an injury to him make Cub fans go away?
Do you know anything about baseball?
sigmanj
David Stearns is a top 3 general manager. And seems like a good guy. Both are key to the Brewers ongoing success.
Kraz Nadler
Teams need to stop giving large contracts to poor fielding, avg hitting 1st basemen like Goldman. Prototypical 80’s player
petrie000
People need to stop embarrassing themselves by calling GoldSCHMIDT an average hitter…
yanks02026
I hope you’re being sarcastic. Goldy is far from an average hitter and has won 3 gold gloves.
Kraz Nadler
Gold gloves are meaningless. Was Jeter a great fielder, did Palmiero deserve it when he played 30 games at 1st. Wake up
Ry.the.Stunner
They’re not “meaningless”. Being a gold glover doesn’t necessarily mean you were the best fielder at your position that year, but it also proves you’re not a “poor fielder”. You don’t win gold gloves as a poor fielder.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Even though you are still wrong with that statement, will you at least admit you are completely wrong with him being an average hitter? Because that is 100% wrong!
EndinStealth
Dumb
lowtalker1
Bingo
Myers was the better fielder at first in 2016 but lost to rizzo
2017 he took a huge step back and this led to the padres signing hosmer
socraticgadfly
Well, analytics give him a career +50 on fielding runs, a plus on defensive runs saved and a plus on range factor. How’s that on Goldschmidt?
Kraz Nadler
palmeiro won one as a non fielder, worthless award. Kind of like the save stat.
Kraz Nadler
It proves nothing, unless the best fielder wins it, its stupid. Should Greinke have won the cy young because he was good throughout his career? Some old timers on today. I guess Lee Smith deserves being a HOF because he racked up saves.
Ry.the.Stunner
Palmeiro definitely should not have won it that year, but not because he was a poor fielder.
socraticgadfly
You still haven’t owned up to being wrong about Goldy being a poor fielder when >>analytics show he’s above average.<<
petrie000
inb4 the analytics get dismissed because ‘he watches the games’
dugdog83
Gold Gloves mean you are the beat defensive player at the position.
JKB 2
Dugdog that is precious! You really believe that I guess. Wow.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
That’s exactly what a gold glove is. The best at that players position. A reward javier Baez has been snubbed from the last 2 years. No one comes close to his defensive skills in the NL. Maybe Acuna. That’s it. It’s a shame kolten wong was even a finalist. Hes good but not Acuna or Baez good. And never will be..
LordBanana
You have a very interesting definition of the word average
MetsYankeesRedSox
Who is Goldman?
CardsNation5
I thought that Ron Goldman passed away
Sky14
Must be referring to Max Goldman, the character from Grumpy Old Men. I agree he isn’t much of a fielder.
titanic struggle
Don’t tell Sophia Loren he’s not a fielder…
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Maybe he was thinking of Goldberg? He was an average goalie nothing special. Julie “the cat” won the starting spot.
trout27
I thought he was a DL for the Az Cardinals who lead the league in “Sachs”!
Ry.the.Stunner
Poor fielding? He’s won three Gold Gloves. You’re making a fool of yourself.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Not knowing his last name already established that.
bdallen714
Maybe you should watch baseball or look at stats before you comment. Career .290 hitter, over 8 seasons with 209 HRs and 710 RBIs. Those are sound #s, and he isn’t even that old.
themed
Goldschmidt one of the best fielding best hitters in the game. Much more valuable than Harper or Machado. Just check the stats!
Kraz Nadler
1st basemen are a dime a dozen, if he could field he wouldn’t be at 1st
EndinStealth
Are you purposefully trolling or just stupid?
MetsYankeesRedSox
I’m betting both
wrigleywannabe
In the context it was written, that is one of most idiotic things I have ever read.
lowtalker1
First base is harder then people think.
You’re one of those people that think you can sign someone to just play first don’t you?
Of the 8 fielding positions… I believe from experience left is the easier of them all. My favorite position was playing second.
EndinStealth
So Kraz and MYR are the same?
Kraz Nadler
And what team did you play for sir?
Bryzzo2016
Haha, themed takes homerism to unprecedented heights. Almost as pathetic as his trolling fails… almost.
socraticgadfly
I played first left fielder for the Kraz Nadler Burgundies.
JKB 2
Oh themed you keep talking and embarrassing yourself. Is English a foreign language?
Lefty Grove’s right hand
The past six seasons he has been a MVP candidate almost every year. 6X all star, 4X silver slugger, 3X gold Glover.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Gets more stolen bases than the average 1B too. ‘16 he had 32 SBs! For a 1st baseman! Those will most likely start to go down with ‘18 only getting 7 though.
bhambrave
Troll.
zpgreen
Ah yes, glad to see the trolls are out today. Not like “Goldschmidt” doesn’t have 3 gold gloves or 4 silver sluggers or even double digit stolen bases in 5 out of 8 years…
kenleyfornia2
Mort Goldman plays baseball now?
zpgreen
He still runs the pharmacy through a proxy.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Family Guy!
Slevin
Another clue..laughing at her own posts!!
socraticgadfly
As for the contract possibility for Goldschmidt, contra the derp from Kraz, that seems reasonable. 30M is paying for 4WAR in today’s terms. I’m comfortably he’ll do that for five years.
bucketbrew35
“Teams need to stop giving large contracts to poor fielding, avg hitting 1st basemen like Goldman. Prototypical 80’s player”
This comment just reeks of laziness.
Msvhs79
Can’t fix stupid!
CardsNation5
He’s obviously Trolling
Kraz Nadler
Stupid is 150 mil for a statue at 1st. Money needs to be spent up the middle and on pitching. Anyone can play first
Payne Train
lol’ing
Lanidrac
Goldschmidt is far from a statue, and the Cardinals are already completely set up the middle and in the starting rotation.
Also, while 1B is indeed the easiest defensive position (not counting DH), it’s still not so easy that anyone can play it. Case in point: Jose Martinez, whose defense really sucks in general but actually sucks a little less in the corner outfield. Matt Holliday is another example, who tried and failed to make the transition from LF to 1B. There are also a few older players whose defensive play has declined so badly that they must play DH aside from possibly a few interleague games in NL parks.
socraticgadfly
Again, you’re wrong, whether troll, idiot, or both, ie, normal Cubs fan.
Goldy is above average on DRS, range, and fielding runs.
hollidayfever
I vaguely remember a significant portion of Cubs fans that weren’t willing to part with your son in any speculated trades, even for Trout types. Has the grim reality of him and others from this supposedly great young core (Happ, Almora, Russell, etc) appear to be 2ish WAR run of the mill types set in yet for the majority of you? That’s going to be tough to juxtapose that with bad contracts in Heyward and Darvish, otherwise old starting pitching with 0 depth behind them, and next to nothing in terms of impact minor league depth on the horizon. Once Bryant leaves in FA after getting jerked around originally with his service time, things could get very ugly, very quickly!
wrigleywannabe
AR was, probably the least regarded of the bunch, then Happ.
Bryant isn’t going any place.
Schwarber gets asked about by other teams constantly and has about 2 seasons of at bats. Javy Baez, anyone?
Almora is better than expected.
Bryant, Russell, Baez, Happ, Schwarber, Contreras and Almora.
The Cubs hit on them all, to varying degrees.
Considering the vast majority of prospects never make it, they’ve been a gold mine.
Zo comes off the books in one year, as does Cole Hamels.
That’s 37 million dollars. Lester is soon after that. Chatwood is done in 2 years, too. That’s another 12 to 13 million.
They have the money
ABCD
Heyward plays for SF now. Remember the Cubs got Melancon for him straight up. Just had to pay down $10 million per season, but Rickettsville and Marquee will soften the blow
bdallen714
Ummm, Google says Heyward still plays for the Cubs, him going to SF is just a rumor so far
Kayrall
I really love this jew angle. Keep at it.
petrie000
when you’re a bad team relying on multiple prospects to help you actually build a good team with, then in that case trading them all for a single player, even one as good as Mike Trout, is frankly moronic. So in that case you are correct, there was a time when the Cubs fans would not willing to do such a thing.
Since then the Cubs have won a WS and finished in the top 4 two other times, so it’s hard to really question anything they’ve done because we have actual results to go off of.
if that reality is ‘grim’, i must question your ability to evaluate such things.
juicemane
If Goldy stays in St. louis it because he is older and cashing in.
FutureMiLBWife
After the holiday i could use a busy news day at least before the next holiday lol
baumann
Matt Holliday is looking for a contract, I believe …
toadstone
If the Cardinals are willing to spend 30 million a year on a 30+ Goldschmidt, I’d much rather them reroute that willingness into a Harper contract.
wrigleywannabe
So, you want the lesser player.
seamaholic 2
Goldschmidt’s better than Harper. Much older, so less valuable, but better on the field.
jbigz12
To this point. Goldy is 31 now. He’s not ancient by any means but this would be the end of his prime. Giving him 150 million to a post prime player is risky. Not like giving all that money to harper isn’t also but age is on your side there.
TripleA
I’d rather have Goldy.
toadstone
I’d rather have 2018 Goldy than 2018 Harper. 2022 or so and beyond, though? I’d prefer to gamble on a 26 year old former MVP who, maybe, still has his best years ahead of him.
socraticgadfly
I’d rather not have someone for $30, let alone $35, million a year who already has three sub-2 WAR years.
ABCD
What are you guys talking about? The Cubs traded Heyward to make room for Harper. And he won the WS MVP!
Android Dawesome
Serious question: Are you drunk?
bdallen714
Believe he is
socraticgadfly
I traded your mom for two ladies off duty from Lakeshore Drive.
Payne Train
5-6 years of Goldy VS 10 years of Harper … the contract and age offsets, goldy is the superior talent .
socraticgadfly
Ugh. Just no. You want to pay more than for Goldy, or Stanton, for a man who already has three sub-2WAR years?
Jacob1982
Going to be a fun year for Cardinal fans! Should be a good race to the finish line
Jacob1982
I’d rather not talk about extensions til all star break. Then after that review and decide.
billneftleberg
Harper is all hype, one great year and he wants 400M much rather have Stanton or Goldschmidt or votto.
Lanidrac
Not to mention Machado.
steed2
I loved the Goldschmidt trade and the Miller signing but to me the best way to fix a bad pen is a good starter ! Trade Jose Martinez and some prospects for Kluber !! Please
Lanidrac
The Cardinals already have 4 excellent starters and need room with the 5th slot for either Wainwright or one of their many talented young kids. As it stands, Hudson and Reyes are already probably ticketed for either the bullpen or AAA without enough room in the Major League starting rotation, not to mention whoever loses out on the 5th rotation slot between Wainwright, Gomber, Gant, and Poncedeleon. Some of these guys will be starting in AAA by necessity while providing bullpen depth once injuries and/or ineffectiveness strike.
socraticgadfly
This is nonsense. Waino is very likely not to be a starter, and we don’t know what Reyes has until he actually comes back. Plus, Wacha is a walking ongoing injury history.
socraticgadfly
My thoughts exactly, a couple of weeks ago: socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2018/12/two-possible-c…
lou gary scyrkels
Heyward to the Giants??? I won’t say it is impossible,,, because stranger things have happened,, but I will be shocked if that takes place,,, his contract is toxic with his offensive production,, and if you can get the Giants to include Will Smith in that deal,,, well like I said I gotta see this to believe it,,,
Lanidrac
I wouldn’t mind giving Goldschmidt a 5-year extension, but $30M per season for what will probably be mostly decline years is too much. If that’s what it’ll take to resign him, I’d rather try to resign Ozuna instead.
titanic struggle
Keuchel should get four years tops…