Despite recent reports that the White Sox have made an eight-year offer to Manny Machado, a parade of others are reporting that the team has not moved off of its previous seven-year offer. Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweeted that the ChiSox have not made any alterations to their original seven-year offer, which was put on the table about two weeks back. Bruce Levine of 670 The Score/CBS Chicago suggests the same, via Twitter, adding that the offer presently on the table to Machado is valued between $25-30MM annually. That’d peg Chicago’s offer somewhere in the $175-210MM range — well shy of Machado’s reported $325MM+ target.
- While the White Sox have gone to some unique measures to make Chicago a bit more appealing for Machado — acquiring his brother-in-law, Yonder Alonso, and signing close friend Jon Jay — SNY’s Andy Martino writes that Machado won’t be wooed by anything other than the largest offer (which goes without saying for the majority of free agents). More interesting from Martino’s report is the possibility of some dark-horse teams in the mix on Machado. While Martino acknowledges that the “mystery team” trope is overplayed and is “often mocked for good reason, we hear reliably that it’s true in this case.”
- The Indians are still dabbling in trade talks, but it doesn’t sound as if the team has much hope of moving Jason Kipnis. According to Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer, there was an effort to do so previously. But while an improved second half helped the Cleveland cause, the crowded second base market made it hard to find any traction. The 31-year-old has turned in below-average offensive seasons for two years running, but he’s still a useful player and has a significant established ceiling. The recent showing isn’t enough to justify his $14.5MM salary, particularly with another $2.5MM promised as a buyout on a 2020 option, but the Indians surely feel they can make good use of Kipnis in the season to come. For now, he’s penciled in at second base but his ability to play the outfield could give the Indians some added flexibility as they seek a means of improving their lineup.
- While a rumor sprang up this evening that the Braves had a deal with Marwin Gonzalez, that doesn’t seem to have any legs. Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deports tweets that the Atlanta organization has not made any offers to the free agent, though it has shown interest in him. Presumably, the Braves see Gonzalez as a potential option in the corner outfield for the coming season. His versatility would be an asset, too, as he’d be capable of covering in the infield if a need arose in the near or long term. Of course, it remains unclear whether the Braves will pursue a multi-year deal with Gonzalez or another free agent, or whether they’ll try to wait out the market in hopes of securing a quality player on a short-term deal.
tealmarlin
Hey Braves you want Prado back??
HardWorkingAmerican
Who cares about Prado, watch for the Angels to get Machado and Harper to get Mike Trout to stay. Both get 300mil n then watch Trout get 500mil.
bkbk
There was actually a pretty clear story of Arte’s PJ tail number landing in Vegas for 24 hours from OC the week Harper was taking pitches in December.
tealmarlin
You’re playing too much MLB The Show my friend.
JustOnePitch
HardWorking, you must be HardPlaying tonight!
fljay73
So Moreno will approve over $1.1 billion over 10 years for 3 players? Doubt it.
dobsonel
Unless there is a major service time overhaul during the next collective bargaining window, the days of 10+ year contracts are over.
So many people on this site were convinced that last year’s FA period was weak because all the teams were saving up to go all in on Harper & Machado. That’s clearly not the case. Stats run baseball now, and the stats say paying big for the next 10+ years for what a player accomplished over the past 6 to 7 will almost always hamstring a team down the road.
ATL_ranger
It seems that this is how it’s going to be from now on. With the players clearly losing free agency power, I wouldn’t be surprised if they fight to overhaul or do away with the current team control/arb system at the end of the current CBA. We might have ourselves another strike coming…
macstruts
Trout will get a ten year contract. Betts might get a ten year contract.
If Machado didn’t have two knee surgeries and a character issue, he’d get a ten year contract.
Since Harper has been in the league, he’s 13th in WAR. He’s very good, but he’s also overrated. . The last five years it’s 17th.
Bernie's Dander
Forget what the stats say. What does the history of 10+ year contracts say? How many contracts of even 7-8+ years work out for the signing team? The players want everything their way. They want long contracts with multiple opt-outs. It’s smart of the teams to re-evaluate the way they play free agency. It’s just good business.
Meanwhile MLBTR was predicting 14 year deals for Harper and Machado. I don’t think they are paying attention.
Bernie's Dander
They aren’t losing free agency “power”, though. Teams have just gotten smarter about giving out long deals that never work out. Look at the contracts to Pujols and Miguel Cabrera for example. Are the players going to strike while insisting on more bad deals being thrown their way?
TwinsTrio
Exactly. And with all the hype over Machado, this is the same guy that as recently as 2017 batted only .259 for the season with an OBP of .310.
He’s had some solid seasons, but thinking he’s worth 30 million a year for a dozen years is ridiculous.
Bernie's Dander
13yr/$390m is what was predicted on here. And they were roundly mocked for it IMMEDIATELY. And justifiably so. Nobody thought he would see anything even close to that.
YourDaddy
Same guy that has averaged 5.4 WAR in full seasons. There is more to the game than BA.
stansfield123
And then they build a stadium on the Moon, and that’s where they’re gonna play their games from now on. Every fly ball is a 1200 foot homer.
flyingwhiskey
The bat flips would be spectacular
khopper10
Launch angle would be even more important…
canocorn
Say “Hello” to Alice Kramden for me.
Ralph Kramden: “Name one thing that could possibly be worse than my mother-in-law coming.”
Ed Norton: “My mother-in-law coming! Boy, compared to her coming, the invasion of locusts was a boon to mankind!”
claude raymond
God I loved that show.
claude raymond
Ralph: “I brive a dus”
John Egan
hardly feasible, but it would go a long way to help support all those #4 starters the halos roll out there… but of course then ducats go through the roof to pay for these entertainers and giving so cal two teams that families need to get second mortgages to go see play…
macstruts
I don’t see the Moreno bringing in a player that would intentionally spike a firstbasemen. That kind of player has a screw loose. I just don’t see it.
steelerbravenation
If it means Realmuto is coming I would be all for it. Put Camargo in LF and have Prado super sub.
Zach725
I don’t think he’d be a fit. He’s basically a bench piece now that doesn’t have any power. Not even sure how well he can play OF now.
Megatron2005
Seems no one else is willing to up the bid on Machado. Otherwise why would the offer remain the same two weeks in a row?
xabial
Something tells me Machado chooses the “mystery team.” /s
PinstripedPride
What if that mystery team is the Yankees? lol
xabial
Hope Yankees’ win and are Harper “mystery team” oxymoron?
basebaIl1600
Question: How is any of this an oxymoron?
xabial
Boras said to never count the Yankees out.
How would they be a “mystery”(?) team, if they signed Harper (I still remain faithful..)
xXabial
ironic how x and baseball1600 always reply back to back.troll with multiple accounts? just an observation
joepanikatthedisco
Then you’ll have 7 outstanding infielders. Congratulations!
SuperSinker
I’d hardly call Andujar or Tulo infield options. Andujar had one of the least successful seasons an infielder has had since we had the tools to measure defensive performance. And Tulo is pretty well just a warm corpse.
Cam
Better than not having enough.
rjsuitor
Attention fellow MLB blog posters
2018 MLB Players awarded Miguel Andujar outstanding rookie of MLB Baseball finishing ahead of Ron Acuana and Shohe Ohtani
Despite the fact MLB Players actually play the game of baseball up close with their peers ignore all that because this gentlemen SuperSinker who has never left his computer screen to pick up a baseball bat or ball let alone play baseball on any kind in a competitive level has officially dubbed Miguel Andjuar as the least successful infielder and Tulo aka Troy Tulowitzki a warm corpse. Obviously Brian Cashman should pay attention to this knowledgeable baseball whiz kid.
Now if you are willing to hang on every word of this fine gentleman’s baseball expertise professional opinion you may now officially disregard all of the MLB professional baseball players who voted for Andujar because hey what to do they know? Well nothing if you want to believe this astute baseball expert.
Attention Miguel Andujar and Troy Tulowitzki we’re sorry but SuperStinker just gave you both the death nail thumbs down on both of your careers that both of you should merely simply consider retirement, perhaps a new career being an assistant analyst for this gentlemen who we all may very well be watching as the next MLB Baseball analyst on MLB TV
You have spoken we read you loud and care sir!
refereemn77
Calm down. Go take whatever medication you forgot to take…
Bocephus
I challenge you to find another delusional wannabe pundit that puts in as much time and unfactual data into their posts.
macstruts
Who are the GMs now. Players are players based on ability, not brains. Anyone who didn’t pick Ohtani, doesn’t have a lot of brains.
Cat Mando
rjsuitor…..
When disparaging someone it helps to get the facts right.
The Players Choice Award for Outstanding Rookie in the AL did in fact go to went to Andujar but they did not choose him over Acuna as he won the same award for the NL.
They choose Outstanding players, Pitchers, Rookies and Comeback Players in each League.
The only single awards are Player of the Year (J.D, Martinez) and Marvin Miller Man of the Year (Curtis Granderson)
mlbplayers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=34000…
petrie000
The players also once declared Micheal Young the best defensive shortstop in the American league the same year when he was statistically the worst
Sometimes playing the game doesn’t leave you much time to think about it, I guess…
billysbballz
Right on son. RJ never calm down. You are on target.
jdgoat
Ok. And the people who vote based on stats and value voted Ohtani…
jbigz12
I hear they’re going to play one of the 7 infielders behind Gary Sanchez to catch passed balls.
YourDaddy
Andujar will make a great DH. He can hit. He can hit incredibly well. Love that part of his game.
What he can’t do is play 3B. Worst defense at 3B by a Yankee ever. He has the range of a boulder. He has two left feet. No 3B had more offline throws. There is nothing about fielding that he does well.
YourDaddy
Bowden?
rjsuitor
Cat
I thought we got rid of you and your complaining when we dumped you off in the gutter when in Kathmandu
rjsuitor
YourDaddy
I would not be surprised if you have ever played or coached the game of baseball in any competitive level in your life beyond a Play Station let alone pick up a baseball or bat but will give you the benefit of a doubt.
There is nothing Andujar can do about fielding that he does well?
take a couple minutes of your precious time watch this 2 minute video below the paragraph by copy paste in your browser…. then while munching on your crow sandwich share with everyone what you viewed on the video that supports your claim, tell us how much more skilled you are at the hot corner or organized ball yourself other then something you read online further explain to everyone on the post, why the Yankees should be ringing your phone off the hook for a tryout because you are so highly skilled at baseball or experience beyond a play station
youtube.com/watch?v=-J0PIVsrKjc
Thank you appreciate you taking the time to do so
Sirsleepit
I don’t think judging an average person against an mlb player is a good comparison either RJ. I definitely played competitively and I can still see that andujar was abysmal as a fielder last year. Did you watch the games or are you just trolling?
joepanikatthedisco
Jbigz that is my single favorite comment in MLBTR history, you deserve a gold medal
Big Poison
So he’s Pedro Alvarez?
rjsuitor
Not just watched him play sir i have met the gentlemen personally more then once not at the ballpark or autograph sessions. He is a great friendly modest kid. Actually sir-sleep-pit I also played competitively and coached HS some of my kids I am proud with a lot of work on both are parts helped prepare them to college n minor leagues plus family of athletes friends played college big 10, east coast, minors as well.I unlike most of the posters who’s over emphasis who exacerbate Andujar terrible defense Analytics observation buffs whose baseball experience is limited to playing Sony Play Station. who are now armchair experts.
What isn’t measured in analytics metrics is the kid trainable, coach-able hardworking does he have the heart/soul right stuff to greatly improve his game. . I’m betting on this D.R. hard working kid Andujar will where other analytic buffs have him written off.
In short am I trolling short answer no more or less then you
Megatron2005
Yankees should get Harper. They need a lefty bat. Didi hurt, Bird always DL. Just play him at 1st/DH. Why would the Yankees get another Righty Infielder in an already stacked RH lineup?
downeysoft42
Maybe Harper doesn’t want to dh
Megatron2005
Keep him at 1B then.
JohnChasse
Fans like this drive me crazy sometimes. There’s no room for a player at their position on your team? Well, just move him somewhere else!
Back when Harper was drafted, he was a catcher. Let’s just move him back!
Or better yet, let’s move him to right handed setup man! He can pitch the 7th inning as a bridge to Britton and Chapman!!
canocorn
It’s human nature to resist change. Even though we’re each the result of an unbroken chain of changes, the majority of changes do, in fact, fail.
For example: playing Carlton Fisk in LF. Good idea in principle, bad idea in practice.
SuperSinker
Who cares what your lineup looks like in terms of right v left. It’s ideal to have balance but it’s much more ideal to have high quality players. If you had 9 players capable of 5 win seasons that all batted right handed you’d be laughing
fljay73
Then he has to shave everyday.
HalosHeavenJJ
“Mystery team” is usually a transparent ploy by Heyman to drum up interest for his real boss Boras.
Considering the reports aren’t by Heyman on a Boras client, they immediately have more merit.
Iago407
I wish the Sox would get this done, but i also don’t want them to be outbidding themselves. Really hope Hahn plays this right and they get their guy.
Aaron Sapoznik
The White Sox rarely outbid any other teams in free agency so it’s safe to assume they won’t be “outbidding themselves” for Manny Machado. Owner Jerry Reinsdorf won’t be “a little stupid” or a lot stupid when it comes to signing off on a contract. GM Rick Hahn is smarter than most any agent and as a former associate of an agency before being hired by the White Sox he’s well aware of the tricks of their trade.
sufferforsnakes
So tired of the Machado/Harper endless circus. Spring Training can’t come soon enough.
SuperSinker
How has this been a circus? It’s been boring as heck imo. Nothing’s gone on for months.
Cam
If you don’t like the circus, don’t buy a ticket.
Oh wait, you didn’t even do that.
Begamin
If he didnt buy a ticket and the circus is shoved in his face it is then his fault for not liking it?
Cat Mando
Begamin………….
Please explain how it is “shoved in his face”.
Cam
If you’re standing there, without even paying to be there, and allowing someone to shove something in your face..that’s a you issue.
Walk away, like normal people do.
dswaim
I have a feeling the Padres are the mystery team for Machado
qbert1996
Machado definitely fits there since they don’t really have someone to play 3rd. I just don’t think they’d splurge again after getting Hosmer last season.
YourDaddy
If all Machado is going to get is $25 million, why not?
Padres2019ha
As WCR says all the time now
“Nailed it”
ohyeadam
Machado will sign 3/100, opt out after 2, with the mystery team so he can get his AAV and another chance at a monster deal while he’s still in his prime.
bitterpadresfan
Wouldn’t be a terrible idea. A year or two to rehab his reputation may actually make him more in the long run.
Ejemp2006
His bad reputation is based on his real attitude, not misperception.
grecoisu
That doesn’t mean he can’t turn a face on for a couple of years.
martras
I doubt it’s that easy to fake humility and work ethic for 2 straight years without actually buying into the concept of humility and work ethic along the way.
Aaron Sapoznik
That makes no sense. If Machado or Harper go down that path the AAV will need to be closer to $40MM and the years in the 4-5 range. It’s not worth the risk of a career threatening injury to walk away from a guaranteed larger total value contract that exceeds $200MM for what you are proposing.
kbarr888
For that matter, he could sign a 7/225 and opt-out after 2 or 3 years. Doing that would depend on the AAV for the 1st 3 years, obviously……but that’s the nature of Opt-Outs.
“Sign The Big Deal, but Bug Out If You Want”
roberty
Camargo>Marwin Gonzalez. If I were the Braves, I would have had Camargo in winterball learning to play in the outfield.
SuperSinker
If he can run, catch, and throw he could probably learn the outfield on the fly. Pretty simple work out there
its_happening
Todd Hundley disagrees.
nwwh
lol
msqboxer
Schwarber…..
wrigleywannabe
Wascabove average in defense last year
DTD
Camargo is more valuable as a super sub the way the current roster is constructed. Plus, he’s not exactly a threat with his speed or athleticism. Marwin is a perfect fit.
roberty
I agree, but he would be an even more valuable super sub if he played the OF, especially with the team we have right now.
laswagn
What if that mystery team is in fact his last employer? Distract you with Harper, but all along it was Machado…hmmm?
Luke Strong
If I was Machado, there is zero chance I would go to the White Sox for the prime of my career. That is an absolutely terrible team, they have no legit pitching with their ace out for the season with the dreaded TJ and about a 20% chance he never comes back, they have a nothing offense, and there is no quicker path back to obscurity for him than going to the White Sox. His defense at SS was made to look terrible by the awful staff they had in BAL, so much hard contact against made his fielding bound to suffer, and he should expect that again if he goes for the money grab and winds up in Chicago.
bklynny67
Sounds like you are confusing Machado with someone who actually cares about winning. Did you even watch his lazy ass in the World Series. He will take the most money regardless of who it’s from, then he’ll continue to not give it his all and his new team will regret the deal within 3 years.
canocorn
Correction: WAS absolutely terrible…
Aaron Sapoznik
Are you prescient? The new norm in MLB is to not pay a player based on his past accomplishments. Perhaps a player would not choose a team based on their past record, especially if that club is nearing the fruition of a rebuild and offering the most money.
xXabial
per WAR , sure JK on a low but offensive hwa done ok. he’s a jed lowerie
Djones246890
How funny would it be if the Cubs swooped in and and stole him right from under their noses. Lol.
refereemn77
Lots and lots of comments from the FO that there’s really no budget for something like that…
petrie000
Rule no.1 of baseball : the front office lies
Cardinals17
It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the Cubs sign one of the big names. No matter what the Cubs say about their money situation as of this moment, they know they have money coming off their books over the next 2 years.
kbarr888
The Cubs would be mortgaging their future if they do that.
Rizzo needs to be extended soon (or do they trade him? Naw)
Bryant needs to be extended (3 yrs of TC left then a FA)
Baez and Schwarber – same as Bryant.
Heyward & Darvish are the obvious “elephants in the room”
luisplaysgames
Please? Someone just sign him already.
Melchez
Didn’t they say the free agent market would be stalled waiting for Harper and Machado to sign? They also said teams would be falling over themselves to offer 10 year contracts to .280 power hitters with mediocre defense. So, when they ask why there aren’t more teams interested in these guys… just one response is needed… “That’s a clown question, Bro.”.
Cam
Who is “they”?
titurriria
As a Dodger fan I’d love to see the Dodgers resign Machado for 3-4 years at an AAV of $32-35m per year. He then can be insurance in case Saeger is not ready and then slide over to 3rd when he is. JT can then either play 2nd or 1st base. They can then trade Muncy, Verdugo and pitching to the Indians for Kluber.
billysbballz
The Dodgers already reached out to Yanks regarding Stanton and from my sauces and understanding were rebuked.
Wildboyz
Honey Mustard or Sweet-N-Sour ?
daved
I always laugh at the thought of signing Jon Jay to lure Machado. I don’t care if they are best friends. 1 year contract and bad player with 7 or 8 year contract with good player. How is that a “win” for Machado?
Piro
The mystery team are…
Piro
The O’s!
Begamin
Dallas Cowboys
KermitJagger
Pirates, ha.
Piro
I honestly think the mystery team are the Angels.
canocorn
Chicago Bears … need a kicker.
mike156
Sounds more and more like old=fashioned radio programming: “Last time on Mystery Team…..”
phenomenalajs
Maybe the Mets will acquire Kipnis. They seem determined to put together a team of second basemen. LOL.
One commentator on MLB Network questioned if they’d bring back Backman and Teufel, too.
its_happening
Maybe the mystery team for Machado is Atlanta. Why address holes on a division winning team when you can stock up on the hot corner?
TrumpCard
So if the ChiSox do not land Manny, than u have egg all over your face for signing Jay and Yonder. Chicago did say “they will spend a little stupid” but how does this help your ball club with these 2 signings??
daved
Jay is going to set a record by playing on every team in an 8 year span. He’s such a great player that every team wants him….for 15 minutes.
DadsInDaniaBeach
No, Chicago didn’t say they spend stupid..It was John Middleton the principal owner of the Phillies..and so far, that hasn’t happened
Cat Mando
TrumpCard……….
“These players (Jay and Alonso) are here because of what they bring specifically, both between the lines and in the clubhouse. We feel that they make us better in 2019 and have the potential to have a lasting impact on what we’re trying to build in the long term. I’m not going to get into the relationships they have with other players throughout the game. It’s certainly a positive but it’s by no means a reason to make a move to acquire either player.”
Rick Hahn
“Obviously, we have a great friendship, and Yonder (Alonso) is his brother-in-law and all that, but Manny’s going to do what’s best for his family.”
Jon Jay
chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt…
BTW, The Phillies hired Manny’s old infield/3B coach from the O’s. Did they do that to fill a need or entice Manny?
daved
Jay won’t be on the White Sox come July 31st. So Rick Hahn can blow all the smoke he wants about his long term impact on what they are trying to do.
Cat Mando
1) How is a one year contract a long term impact?
2) If Jay isn’t flipped would that make you the smoke blower?
Never mind…I really am not that interested.
daved
Rick Hahn was the one who said, “they make us better in 2019 and have the potential to make a lasting impact on what we are trying to build here”. So I’m not the one blowing smoke. Jon Jay makes no team better now or in the future.
Priggs89
I guess you never watched Adam Engel play baseball. The White Sox had an embarrassingly bad outfield last year – by far the worst in the league. They combined for -1.2 fWAR. Please, tell me again how Jon Jay won’t make them better.
And even if Machado doesn’t sign, are you really that upset about the Sox spending a whopping $12M on these 2 guys? You guys are acting like they gave up legit prospects and/or paid a boatload of money to these players, neither of which is true. Relax. It’ll be alright.
daved
If you think Jon Jay is a good OF, then you’re smoking crack. I’ve WATCHED him. He’s bad. Poor routes. Poor speed. Don’t be suckered into the bogus GG finalist this year. That was a bigger joke than that Italian guy winning an Oscar years ago. I’m not a Chisox fan. I don’t care how they spend their money. I’m just laughing at how they think bringing Jay in makes them better and might woo Machado.
Priggs89
Where did I say Jon Jay was a good outfielder?
I’ve WATCHED the White Sox outfielders. If you think Jon Jay isn’t an improvement, then you’re smoking crack.
daved
I’ll give you that. He makes an awful OF less awful.
canocorn
TrumpC;
Egg on our face would be a step up.
Signing Manny would hopefully change the egg to Champaign in the not-too-distant.
DTD
Camargo is more valuable as a super sub the way the current roster is constructed. Plus, he’s not exactly a threat with his speed or athleticism. Marwin is a perfect fit.
macstruts
Who are the GMs now. Players are players based on ability, not brains. Anyone who didn’t pick Ohtani, doesn’t have a lot of brains.
muzzachunka
BREAKING NEWS: My sources close to a MLB executive says that Bryce Harper & Manny Machado are both expected to sign long terms contracts for LOTS of money in the near future. He said the anonymous source is nearly 100% sure contracts will be signed before spring training begins. My source also guarantees contracts will not be in Japan, but they will once again sign for a MLB team in the USA or CANADA.
The source close to a MLB executive says that this BREAKING NEWS report carries about as much validity as any report by Nightingale, Levine, Morosi or any other useless reporting about Harper or Machado.
ChiSoxCity
Unless you’re a NY/LA/BOS (or Phillies), you should be pulling for the White Sox to get Machado or Harper. NY/LA/BOS has gotten more than their fair share of talent in recent years, while the majority of teams/cities are ignored. I don’t know about you guys, but I am sick and tired of seeing the same teams in the postseason year after year. Especially LA.
Bocephus
The northsiders of Chicago want to have a serious word with you!
ChiSoxCity
Cubs, Sox, all the same in terms of free agency. The northsiders have one WS Championship in 100+ years, and one major free agent signing (Lester) during that same timeframe. Chicago’s gotten the same treatment as every other city that isn’t NY/LA/BOS(NE).
kbarr888
Yu Darvish would like to have a word with you
(sure he has sucked there, but he was definitely a Major Free Agent.
White Sox Championships
1906
1917
2005 – (88 years later and 13 years ago = 101 Years)
Sounds pretty familiar…….
“People In Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones”
Priggs89
The only other teams that actually wanted Darvish were the small market Twins and Brewers. I wouldn’t call him a “major free agent.”
kbarr888
From mlbtraderumors article about “2017-18 Top Free Agents With Predictions”
1. Yu Darvish – Cubs. Six years, $160MM.
He’s listed at #1
I guess THEY thought he was a Major Free Agent…???
Priggs89
And how’d that work out for Darvish? I forgot MLBTR’s opinion was all that mattered – not the fact that nobody actually wanted Darvish for anywhere near that price.
wrigleywannabe
You’re math sucks
wrigleywannabe
By that logic, Harper snd Machado are not major FS
Priggs89
Sure, if you want to completely ignore the money involved.
The difference being nobody else wanted Darvish for $20M/yr, and Machado/Harper are looking for record contracts over $30M/yr… If the going price for Machado/Harper was $20M/yr, nearly every team in the league would be in on them.
martras
Lots of teams wanted Darvish, but were committed to a path which made it really difficult to make a solid run.
Side note, the contract Darvish signed was 6 years and up to $150M with incentives. That’s pretty close to 6yrs / $160M.
YourDaddy
We know your opinion doesn’t matter. We see your moronic posts all the time.
ChiSoxCity
Darvish was not an elite FA, nor was he sought after by multiple teams as such.
He ended up with the Cubs by default because the were the only team willing to give him a contract somewhat worthy of a TOR starter.
Darvish has proven himself ineffective and injury prone, lacking the constitution to handle a starter’s workload in the MLB. You can try to pass off the Cubs as a FAs “preferred destination,” but there’s no indication of that yet. I hope that changes for both clubs in the near future, since Chicago is the best sports town in the world.
YourDaddy
LMAO. He was not elite but he was a TOR starter. A top of the rotation starter is the definition of elite. He signed for $160+ million.
Only a 2nd City guy could be so dense.
daved
Darvish’s contract was 6 years/$126M. 2018- $25M, 2019- $20M, 2020- $22M, 2021- $22M, 2022- $19M, 2023- $18M.
The only incentives he gets are a club paid Interpreter and bonuses for CY YOUNG voting. He gets $2M if he wins the CYA and $1M for finishes of 2nd-5th. If he is getting those bonuses, then the Cubs are getting good ROI on him. And starting in 2020, his Full No Trade goes away, and he can only block a trade to 12 teams of his choice. It’s a good contract for the Cubs, as his AAV goes down the last two years.
ChiSoxCity
Except he can’t, you know, pitch.
ChiSoxCity
Given his health and poor outings with the Cubs, your comment isn’t consistent with reality. And do you even know what “2nd City” means? I’m thinking no, but in your mind it has something to do with ny.
thegreatcerealfamine
For someone who roots for a team in such a large market you seem to have quite the inferiority complex.
ChiSoxCity
This comment makes no sense.
canocorn
Forget it CSC, they’ll never cognize.
Better chance of explaining calculus to your cat, … in Greek.
thegreatcerealfamine
We get it bub, it sucks being a White Sox fan.
ChiSoxCity
It sucks being a fan of any team except maybe four clubs: jankees, red saux, lucifer birds, dahyers. These teams spend money and/or cheat like no other to contend.
Cubguy13
The inferiority complex is real. They will always be the second team in the second city
thegreatcerealfamine
This guy ChiSoxCity hates the Dodgers, Cubs, Red Sox, Phillies,and thinks the Yankees “fleece” all teams in trades. He thinks it’s so unfair everything MLB is geared towards those teams. Last time I looked the White Sox played in a bigger market than two of those teams, and it’s not their fault the White Sox have a crappy owner.
ChiSoxCity
The level of toxicity and outright hatred Cubs fans display towards the White Sox is textbook inferiority complex.
msqboxer
Mystery team….ugh…there is no mystery secret team…you think that Machado/Lazano?Harper and Boras aren’t being stalked by blogger snitches! Manny followed the YES network and it was reported his deal was finalized.
warwhatisitgoodfor
Machado is gonna look good in Mariner Blue
mlb1225
He’ll look even better in Pittsburgh black and gold.
ChiSoxCity
There is no mystery team. The national sports media is putting misinformation out because they don’t want high profile free agents going to Chicago.
petrie000
They spent most of all last season pushing a Harper to the Cubs last season…
ChiSoxCity
No, Harper and his agent was. The media merely reported it. The Cubs aren’t going to move half their roster to acquire Harper. That’s not Epstein’s MO.
petrie000
Right, when you don’t like what they say the ‘national media’ are conspiring against your team and when that doesn’t make sense they go from villain to unwitting pawn…
Your imagination is impressive to say the least…
lefty58
Hard to ignore that no team Manny has played for seems interested in having him back. This is a guy you need to keep away from young players, I don’t see more money making his attitude any better.
Cardinals17
The Mystery team is the Cardinals on Machado!! They are willing to move their Shortstop, Paul DeJong to third base which puts Machado at short. Plus, they are looking for a good left handed bat off of their bench. By adding Machado it will make both their offense and defense top caliber for 2019. Also, moving Matt Carpenter to the super Utility infielder puts the left handed bat on the bench, even though he’s probably going to be starting 2/3 of the time. Carpenter being the super sub also helps rest his permanently injured back and throwing arm where he can stay off the disabled list. This
Move will make the Cardinals World Series contenders. Without this move, they are 2nd Wild Card contenders.
daved
You can forget about the Cardinals being the mystery team. Molina won’t allow anyone to make more AAV than him. Besides, the Cards won’t sign anyone GOOD to a long term deal. They won’t go above 5 years. They won’t get Machado. His lack of hustle wouldn’t survive 1 month in STL. Mo and Dewitt like to invest their money in 2nd tier players.
daved
If you think Carpenter isn’t going to bat leadoff and get his 700 PA, you haven’t followed Cardinals baseball the last 5 years. Carpenter, Wainwright and Molina run the team. They do what they want, when they want, and dictate where they play and what position in the lineup they bat. That’s Cardinals baseball.
canocorn
Greg Holland single-handedly kept Cards out of postseason last yr.
daved
Mozeliak kept them from the post season by not firing Matheny earlier, or for that matter, hiring him at all. Also, Carpenter faded tremendously in September, as did most of the young pitchers. But don’t worry, they have Molina, Wainwright and Carpenter leading the way again. What could be possibly go wrong with a 36 year old catcher, 37 year old pitcher, and 33 year old infielder with bad legs and bad arm leading the way? I mean, it’s worked the last 3 years. Oh, wait a second.
kbarr888
Waino will probably be gone from the field by mid-summer, but they’ll probably give him a coaching job, so he can continue to have influence.
I don’t see the Cards signing Machado because he doesn’t fit the conservative mold that StL likes. They’re all somewhat “stiff collared” up there…..even the fans. Machado’s “bad-boy image” definitely doesn’t fit in…….
daved
STL fans aren’t “stiff collared”. They are “wool collared”.
muzzachunka
BREAKING NEWS: My sources close to a MLB executive says that Bryce Harper & Manny Machado are both expected to sign long terms contracts for LOTS of money in the near future. He said the anonymous source is nearly 100% sure contracts will be signed before spring training begins. My source also guarantees contracts will not be in Japan, but they will once again sign for a MLB team in the USA or CANADA.
The source close to a MLB executive says that this BREAKING NEWS report carries about as much validity as any report by Nightingale, Levine, Morosi or any other useless reporting about Harper or Machado.
canocorn
BREAKING news: Post-breakup, Bezos’ ex-wife can afford Machado AND Harp for the next 800 years (each at $40 mil/yr).
ChiSoxCity
lol!
dshires4
Nightengale has swung and missed more than Adam Dunn.
kbarr888
Bwahahahahahahahaha……
So Very True!!!!!!!!!!
daved
Does this mean Nightengale has been right 462 times too?
Aaron Sapoznik
462/8328=5.5%. I think we could all hit a HR with our baseball predictions better than that figure.
daved
Dunn also walked 1317 times and carried a career OBP of .364 and OPS of .854. Maybe we ALL could hit a HR with our baseball predictions better than that, but as far as Dunn is concerned, only 36 guys ever to play MLB have hit more HR than him. But I digress, and I will venture to say that Nightengale isn’t wrong 94.5% of the time on his predictions.
petrie000
It’s probably higher than that honestly…
YourDaddy
Only Bowden is worse than Nightengale. Everything he posts is click bait and the only thing he ever gets correct is the dollar amounts on contracts that have ALREADY been signed.
Look at what he said about Corbin BEFORE he signed with the Nats. 1st he said that Corbin was a lock to sign with the Yankees. Then he said that the Phillies would not be outbid for Corbin. twitter.com/bnightengale/status/107001560965039308…
Either teams feed him nothing but disinformation knowing he will immediately type it into Twitter or he is the biggest hack in the business.
YourDaddy
Bob Nightengale has 1162 articles published. A large percentage of those were reporting on things that had already happened. I didn’t count them, but certainly more than 3 of every 4. Give him the benefit of the doubt and say 300 articles with some predictive portion. So in 33 years as a baseball writer, he has been correct 16 times if we are using that 5.5% figure. That seems about right.
minoso9
Nothing substantive about Machado here. The Sox should offer him 4 maybe 5 years tops at around 150M, which is about half what he wants. Manny will do what is best for Manny. We need to consider the future perceived monetary impact of our very young outfield and pitching prospects. If we don’t sign Machado that’s okay, and Arenado looms on the horizon at the end of this season.
Priggs89
“If we don’t sign Machado that’s okay, and Sale looms on the horizon at the end of this season.”
Fixed
YourDaddy
If that hack Nightengale is correct for once in his life, then why would ANY team be out on Machado? $25 million is peanuts in today’s game for a player that averages over 5 WAR in full seasons. It’s not in the top 10 in AAV.
Who was the mystery team last offseason? Darvish went where everyone expected him to go. JD Martinez went where everyone expected him to go. Who signed the biggest contract for position players?
mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017-18-top-50-mlb-free…
sufferforsnakes
And in other news, today ends with a “y”.
RedRooster
A mystery team has offered me 10/$400m with an opt out after every year
canocorn
New article today (01-15-19) on chicagonow.com by Matt Cassidy, entitled “White Sox Player Development Staff changes for 2019”
lists among personnel at
KANNAPOLIS INTIMIDATORS (A):
Pitching Coach: Jose Bautista
No, it’s not ‘that’ Jose’ Bautista — but if you click on the name in the listing you DO get ‘that’ Jose’.
cyyoung24
How’s Machado relationship with Adam Jones and Nick Markakis? Could use either in RF is Manny comes to his sense and signs with the WSox