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Relief Market Notes: Kimbrel, Brach, Axford

By Jeff Todd | January 17, 2019 at 9:38pm CDT

With Adam Ottavino leaving the board today, only one of the top nine relievers on MLBTR’s top 50 free agent list — the top member of that group, of course — remains unsigned. That seems to set the stage for the next tier of the relief market to kick into action. Cody Allen, Bud Norris, and Brad Brach all earned placements on our ranking but remain unsigned. Other still-unsigned veteran pen arms warranted honorable mention status: Justin Wilson, Ryan Madson, Oliver Perez, Adam Warren, and Tony Sipp. I recently broke down those and other names that are still available.

Here’s the latest on the relief market:

  • The Red Sox are continuing to tamp down expectations of a move to add a closer. As Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com writes, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski referred to free agent closer Craig Kimbrel’s Boston tenure in the past tense in comments today. He also suggested the team feels comfortable with its existing options to handle the ninth inning, naming Matt Barnes, Ryan Brasier, Tyler Thornburg, and Steven Wright as possibilities. Needless to say, that’s an interesting foursome for the defending World Series champs to propose as a slate of Kimbrel successor candidates. If there’s still a chance of a reunion with the all-time great reliever, Dombrowski didn’t hint at it. “Sometimes, you have to evaluate where you’re going to spend your dollars,” he said. “We decided to keep back the rest of the core of the club. We like our team a great deal and we think some of the guys internally can do the job. Can we get better? Perhaps. But we’ll see what takes place.”
  • With no future commitments to speak of and a path to contention, the Twins seem to be a team to watch on the market. If nothing else, the club figures to bolster its pitching staff. The aforementioned Brad Brach is among the possible targets, according to LaVelle E. Neal III of the Star Tribune (Twitter link). The Minnesota front office has certainly shown an inclination to limit its risks in free agency, and it stands to reason that Brach will be available for a lesser and shorter commitment than many of the hurlers that have gone off the board already. The 32-year-old had something of a messy 2018 season after a string of productive campaigns, which could make him a nice value proposition.
  • Veteran reliever John Axford is making no secret of his desire to return to the Blue Jays for the coming season, as Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.ca writes. With his family rooted in Toronto, the Canadian hurler says it’s where he’d like to be. Axford’s pitch is that he’d be a good mentor for a young team — and, perhaps, will again turn into a summer trade asset. There’s certainly an argument to be made that Axford would be a good fit, particularly if he’s again willing to take a minor-league deal. As Nicholson-Smith notes, Axford is delivering plenty of heat with his fastball, and the Jays still appear in need of some pitching depth.
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  1. harmoney101575

    6 years ago

    I am not hoping for this… but dare I say Kimbrel back to the braves? he seems to be running out of options…

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    • #Fantasygeekland

      6 years ago

      Boston, Philly, Angels, White Sox would seem like a long shot and haven’t had rumored interest…. but you never know. If they miss out on Harper and Machado I think they will make more moves.

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      • harmoney101575

        6 years ago

        White Sox signed enough for the pen already… I dont think they are a player… they need offense

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      • 123redsox

        6 years ago

        White Sox pen is already stocked and angels just signed Allen. … Phillies, Sox, braves, cardinals?

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        • StapVars

          6 years ago

          I hope the Sox get him.

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    • StlSwifty

      6 years ago

      I hope the cardinals swoop in when Kimbrels market is reasonable. Adding him and Andrew Miller is a pretty good fix on a bullpen that was pretty bad last year.

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    • xXabial

      6 years ago

      kimdrel would be smart to enter a 1yr deal with a contending team so show he doesnt choke in the playoffs. of all holds true then next offseason he may be worth the asking price.

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      • flippinbats79

        6 years ago

        He was the closer on the World Series winning team last year. I’m not sure what your point is?

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        • mafiabass

          6 years ago

          Something was up… no reason to have Sale pitch the 9th in game 5 otherwise

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  2. joshua.barron1

    6 years ago

    I had a dream the other day that I saw an MLBTR notification on my phone – Red Sox resign Kimbrel for 1 year $10 million. I wonder how low his market will go…

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    • astromariner

      6 years ago

      Not that low.

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      • delete

        6 years ago

        To be fair, he literally said he was dreaming

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Although a Six fan, my dreams to date have not included Kimbrel…

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          *Sox

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        • Fanof29teams

          6 years ago

          A dream would be if the sed sox don’t spend we get cheaper tickets.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Sox seats have always been amongst the most expensive due to the available seats. Will never change but Fenway is a special place to watch a game – unless your sitting behind a post in one of those “obstructed view” seats.

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        • bosoxDave

          6 years ago

          Sat in first row of the blue reserved grandstand
          Knees were up against a metal rail behind the red seats. Meanwhile people used this as a path to move between sections
          I’ll take the money two seats cost and buy mlb.tv

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    • harmoney101575

      6 years ago

      Correct me if I am wrong… only 2 teams that have money need a closer… BRAVES AND PHILLIES….

      i cant see any lower than 13…. thats what britton got

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        Angels, Boston.

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        • harmoney101575

          6 years ago

          maybe angels, boston has bowed out

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        • harmoney101575

          6 years ago

          Angels are out… they got Cody Allen

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        • User 4245925809

          6 years ago

          Allen was supposedly looking for a place he could close, that doesn’t mean he is going to get much of a leash with a 1y deal and how he fared all last year.

          Angels may very well have been talking dollars with kimbrel before that sign and still be. kimbrel has the track record to lean on like none other in the game right now, he just may have asked a bit much from the outset this year with so many late guys available.

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        • StapVars

          6 years ago

          Why aren’t the Angels signing any major pieces? Their window of contention could be closing soon with Trout’s upcoming free agency.

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      • ahale224

        6 years ago

        Braves certainly aren’t acting like they have money.

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        • jrwhite21

          6 years ago

          I read today (I believe in Jeff’s chat) that Atlanta’s stadium deal hasn’t been as profitable as expected and that’s why they’re not spending

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    • cardsfan006

      6 years ago

      thats actually funny and im being serious. I actually laughed at that

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    • xXabial

      6 years ago

      if you build it. it will come

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  3. pasha2k

    6 years ago

    I can’t help but see a black cloud over the Boston Bullpen. I love ❤️ every addition DD made, especially brining back our 2 special WS ‍♀️ heroes. But not having a closer is scaring me to death. We might as well just crown the Evil Empire champs now. The only saving grace is NYY starters are old n hurt.

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    • luclusciano

      6 years ago

      Just saying, I would believe the evil empire gets its name because of the highest payroll. I know at least one team with a higher payroll than the Yankees, oh and they do not have a closer.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Can you not post emojis like an emotional teenage girl

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      • delete

        6 years ago

        jbigz can you not start drama and be mean for no reason like an emotional teenage girl

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Yes. Exactly what I was doing with that comment. You really read me like a book.

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        • delete

          6 years ago

          In one ear and out the other.

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        • xXabial

          6 years ago

          weird that you reference a teenage girl….especially knowing how that chat!!!

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        • gorav114

          6 years ago

          What if it was actually posted by an emotional teenage girl?

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          If it were posted by an emotional teenage girl, I apologize.

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      • simschifan

        6 years ago

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        • clepto

          6 years ago

          Profound, as usual.

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      • simschifan

        6 years ago

        That’s funny

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      A lot of people crowned NY this yime last year when Stanton came aboard. Pretty equal teams. Over 162 things will break one way or the other, nothing wrong with either team.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Sorry I stole your post…

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        And then Boston signed JD Martinez tipping the scales back in their favor. It’s now Boston’s move and I’m sure they will make one.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      6 years ago

      Last year at around this time the Yankees added Stanton and everyone crowned them the best. Championships are won in October.

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  4. delete

    6 years ago

    With so much regression likely from last year to this year in so many areas, it’s a wonder to me that this Red Sox team would settle for one of the worst bullpens in the major leagues. I’ve got the Yankees and Rays both finishing above them in 2019.

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    • James1955

      6 years ago

      The Phillies may be the highest bidder on Kimbrel. Some teams seem to be gun ho on WAR now days..

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      • PinstripedPride

        6 years ago

        It is known the Phillies want Harper, Keuchel, and Kimbrel on their roster. If their owner truly is willing to spend that “stupid money” then the Yankees will get them all

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        • PinstripedPride

          6 years ago

          Pardon me, Phillies. LOL typo

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    • Bruin1012

      6 years ago

      You mean you hope for regression from so many areas I’m not so sure the offense will regress much if at all.

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      • delete

        6 years ago

        I mean even if you start with their best offensive pieces. Betts with a BABIP 50 points above his career average, JD 30… It’s just naive to tell yourself regression isn’t coming

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        • ffrhb14Sox

          6 years ago

          The regression of guys like Betts and JD, if any, isnt likely to be drastic and can easily be made up by likley progression at C, 1B, 2B, 3B, CF. Rotation should be better and need less from the bullpen, thus the idea to not overspend there. They likely wont win 108 again bc it is rarely done but should be a top team unless major injuries hit.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          The rays rotation is inferior to Boston. The rays lineup is seriously inferior to Boston. They have a slight edge in bullpens today but even at that I don’t think they completely blow them away. The Red Sox won 108 and blew through the playoffs for a reason. Your personal feelings aside. This team is stacked offensively and has a rock solid rotation. If EO is the guy we saw in the postseason that’s another huge plus. This is a very good baseball team that needs a couple relievers to really complete it. But they won without the big names contributing in the pen last year so who’s to say they couldn’t do it again?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          2B is key but so are injuries which they basically avoided other than Pedroia.

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        • Ejemp2006

          6 years ago

          They will add at deadline, for some cheaper rentals that will carry through for October sprint. Rays outperformed last year with all the horse shoe luck a club can expect. Not again!

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Got 3 division titles in a row and a WS. If you spend on starting pitching it is not smart to overspend on a bullpen. Good plan, Sox will be good in 2019 and better position moving forward.

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      • delete

        6 years ago

        3 division titles and a World Series all won with arguably the best closer in the game and a high quality expensive bullpen… So not sure what you’re trying to say. Their starters overperformed last year and they didn’t increase spending on the rotation outside of a raise for Eovaldi

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        • ffrhb14Sox

          6 years ago

          Bullpen was listed as their achilles heel last year and nobody thought Kimbrel was close to the best closer in the game in 2018 as evidenced in his market now and Sox not letting him close postseason games.

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        • Bruin1012

          6 years ago

          I would argue the Red Sox starters didn’t over perform last year. Sale was his usual dominant self but was injured in the 2nd half. Price was good not great certainly didn’t over perform. I really can’t think of any of there starters that over performed. My guess is there starters will be better this year and the offense will be awesome again the bullpen is the question. The Red Sox offense is pretty dynamic and there outfield defense is second to none. The Red Sox will be just fine this year.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Starters overperformed? Sale, their best was invisible the second half, Price finally pitched up to his contract and Wright as a depth starter was hurt. More than balances out for Eovoldi’s surprise and the great outings the team got from Porcello who has a Cy Young award on his belt.

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    • Fanof29teams

      6 years ago

      If they just spend some money ,the Rays would be my favorite, Cruz? EE? Martinez ? + Keuchel ?

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      • mike 96

        6 years ago

        Rays cant draw,. too much minor league baseball in florida with all the old people on a budject

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        • User 4245925809

          6 years ago

          Where in the world did u get that from? To start off with.. Spoken just like a yankee and don’t mean a NYY either..

          Next? 1 trip to the thunder-dump in St pete through rush hour traffic is enough to turn one’s stomach, especially when there is an accident on the bridge across the bay leading to St. pete.

          Simple fix from the VERY begining of the Ray’s franchise was for them to be located on the CORRECT side of the bay and not marooned on that peninsula where they are.

          I could go into detail with the Miami debacle as well, but it would require someone familiar with florida to understand.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          JohnSilver is right. I’m not from Tampa but I’ve attended enough games to know the location is just atrocious for so many reasons.

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        • brewcrewer

          6 years ago

          Put a crap stadium in a crap location and people aren’t excited to go there? Color me surprised

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  5. #Fantasygeekland

    6 years ago

    It would be very interesting to see a knuckleballer closing.

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Not ideal but Wakefield did it. It’ll be Barnes or Brasier.

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      • Crankyolddude

        6 years ago

        Hoyt Wilhelm says hi…

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      • stubby66

        6 years ago

        I’m calling it that Thornburg is going rebound to what he did his last year with the Brewers and will have 10 saves for the Red Sox .

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Wilbur Wood also did everything including ending (not sure if they were called closers then) and once he started both games of a doubleheader. Wildness though is why they don’t normally close. Walks, past balls and wild pitches are too unpredictable with the knuckleball.

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        • User 4245925809

          6 years ago

          If I’m not mistaken.. that both ends of a DH by Wilber Wood u mentioned were both CG’s and a split decision.. a W and a L…

          Ur a Sox fan as remember.. Oil Can boyd got a pair of losses in a DH in… 84? Pretty certain he started the opener and relieved the back end. thinking it was last weekend of the season.

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      • thefenwayfaithful 2

        6 years ago

        Advanced metrics are all over the place on Brasier. 2.83 FIP 3.78 xFIP 3.45 SIERRA, etc. His GB/FB ratio is a dead split. He doesn’t miss many bats (7-8 k/9) and doesn’t have a particularly low soft contact rate. The Brasier idea to me is crazy because you can pull any numbers you want and make an argument for/against him.

        Barnes is one of those guys who can definitely close when he’s on, but when he hits those skids, we might not win a game for 2 weeks because we can’t close out the 9th. Heck, that’s what happened with him in the 8th for chunks of the last few years.

        We are going to wind up with 3 guys closing, each with about 20 saves and looking ok, but with a 3.50-5.00 ERA and a bad look in the playoffs. Even with Kimbrel last season, analysts questioned if the Sox had enough to get to Kimbrel and if Kimbrel wasn’t worn down. Now they remove Kimbrel? Playoffs scare me a lot more with this bullpen then the regular season. Its when there’s no easy outs that the bad BP shows up.

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  6. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    What ever happened to drafting and developing your own players?

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    • harmoney101575

      6 years ago

      Got the Braves a division title last year

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Most of Sox lineup in 2018 was homegrown.

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    • lasershow45

      6 years ago

      Which team are you talking about? Or just in general?

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      6 years ago

      Sox did that already. Look at much of their playoff roster. Six out of nine everyday players came through their system {counting Vazquez and Pedroia as starters for 2019 but Holt and Leon were also traded for when they were young). What is wrong with that? There used to be more trades but today, players are cut to avoid paying optional but larger than they may be worth contracts. The game is flush with money but the higher cost makes balancing a team’s budget trickier than ever before.

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  7. Gordon Lightfoot

    6 years ago

    … a knuckleballer in the ninth is a bad idea.

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    • User 4245925809

      6 years ago

      Knuckleball closers have happened more often than u think. Wilhelm was already brought up. Wakefield did it for a little while and a guy who also won 200 games as a SP (wake did also) Charlie Hough was credited with 60+ saves during his long career.

      His knuckler was a bit different than that of Wake, Wilhelm, Dickey etc.. he called it a knuckle-curve, but nothing like the nasty and hard thing kimbrel throws. it fluttered to the plate, more like the one niekro brothers and others mentioned.

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  8. Jbigz12

    6 years ago

    If the Sox want to patch the bullpen up on a budget grab some combo of Holland, Brach, Justin Wilson, or Allen. Preferably one of Allen or Holland as one of the two since they need a closer. It’s the cheap route to go but if you truly don’t think Kimbrel will be an elite closer the next 4-5 years don’t pay him to be one. I have to imagine at some point they’ll want to fix their tax penalty and having a bad deal to a closer won’t do them any favors

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      Brach would be a nice addition but he is an 8th inning guy. If they can get AJ Ramos for cheap (doubtful), they might want to explore that option.

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      • stymeedone

        6 years ago

        why is he an “8th inning guy?” I believe Mariano Rivera started as an 8th inning guy.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          Brach’s overall numbers seem to indicate he’s better when he’s not the closer. Maybe I’m wrong. His 3.64 ERA in the 9th inning says Boston might want to re-consider Kimbrel, high price included.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      6 years ago

      Agree on Kimbrel at his current advertised cost. Let’s give the team credit. They will always spend and most fan bases would love to have these problems. Team needs to play by the rules for long term success which is why I still say they should trade Porcello. Either pay down the contract somewhat and get a solid prospect or two or give him away for risky prospects but get the relief needed to balance out the team. Besides a closer, I’d love a Moose for one year. Devers should go back to the minors to start 19. He’s so young but needs to learn how to play a position. The team actually has other 3Bmen developing and Devers might become expendable or have to play 1B. Why continue his clock? When healthy, his bat is MLB ready but he still has a lot to learn. Would still love for the team to pay Beltre to assist. 2010 was amazing to see unless you played leftfield for the Sox. Beltre was a tank chasing those pop-ups.

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      • Randia

        6 years ago

        Beltre is currently working with Miguel Andujar in the dominican. Perhaps the Sox should send Devers there too. Beltre volunteered to help andujar so one more shouldn’t be a problem

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Why would you move porcello for a prospect right now? You need another arm in the rotation unless you wanna roll with Johnson/Wright in the 5 slot. Prospects do nothing for a WS contender. If you want to move porcello’s money to spend elsewhere that’s something but I def don’t wanna decrease the talent on my ML team.

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    • StapVars

      6 years ago

      They obviously need somebody

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  9. Braves4Ever2025

    6 years ago

    After the Braves trade for a cheap corner OF (The 70% done trade AA mentioned), hopefully there is a shift to seriously acquiring Kimbrel and Cody Allen (or just Kimbrel if the trade that brings in an OF also brings in a RP).

    After that we should be done and overall a pretty successful offseason by some stroke of good luck, but if the Braves let Kimbrel head over to Philly along with Harper and maybe even Keuchel then that’s a mistake.

    Secure Kimbrel and an OF via trade, and if Philly get Harper and Keuchel then it should be a pretty even 4 team race in the NL East assuming Mets and Nats don’t do anything else either

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    • harmoney101575

      6 years ago

      Angels are out… they got Cody Allen

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  10. Horace Fury

    6 years ago

    It seems like DD is willing to live with the 2018 team all over again, let it win 90 games and come in second to the Yanks, crap out of the postseason early, and then make sweeping changes when $115 comes off the books for 2020. They’ll have to come under the lux cap in 2020 or face the third consecutive year over, and the penalties get even worse. The method to his madness in not acquiring a money closer is to get the desired result that will allow a half-rebuild (I think he’s banking on a natural regression from a WS win anyway). Oh, and Kimbrel might make them better in 2019 and might not, so that’s money well unspent (if it keeps).

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    • Horace Fury

      6 years ago

      I don’t mean to suggest that DD is courting a losing season, only that keeping the gang together satisfies a lot of sentiment for the club and the town but doesn’t really address what needs to be done for the club’s economic future and the likelihood that the same group will not repeat in the WS. A less-than-perfect result in 2019 (which, let’s face it, is to be expected) will allow lots of change for 2020, much of it frankly welcome.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Horace, I agree mostly. I would have like Kelly back which this time last year would have made me sick writing. His cost though was more than I expected. The team has $13m tied up at 1B but the combined production makes that good value even if it takes up two roster spots. It makes keeping Holt so important. Issue mainly is how many teams have so much money invested in their starting pitching today. The team for 19 has spent about $80M between Price, Sales, Porcello and Eovaldi. Other teams are spending more in their bullpen. I still would trade Porcello but let’s see how it plays out. Bring on opening day!

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Yanks were supposed to be the favorite in 2018 too. Eventually things will bounce their way and Sox will be second. As constructed Id say catching is bad for both but likely to improve, first edge Sox, 2B edge Yanks, 3B edge Yanks, SS edge Sox, LF edge Sox, CF edge Yanks, RF edge Sox, DH edge Sox, Rotation edge Sox, bullpen edge Yanks. Pretty close with both teams having chances to flip some of those calls or narrow gaps. Nothing wrong with what either team is doing and either could win.

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  11. TrumpCard

    6 years ago

    I don’t see Kimbrel getting a big deal. I didn’t think he was good enough in post season. Sox are not going to bring him back.

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    • joepanikatthedisco

      6 years ago

      Bad in playoffs –> 1 year pillow deal. Just like Grandal and Dozier, that is what Kimbrel should do.

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  12. mpearl

    6 years ago

    Justin Wilson has such a good ceiling and is super underrated. Where should he land? I’m thinking the Mets could use him as a decent southpaw in the pen.

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  13. Unclenolanrules

    6 years ago

    Didn’t Dombrowski NEVER solve the back of the Tigers bullpen? Like ever? He hate closers?

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Traded for Kimbrel and won a WS and now is smart not to overspend there.

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      • Fanof29teams

        6 years ago

        Octavino? Britton? Miller ? Familiar?

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      • Fanof29teams

        6 years ago

        Did he even try?

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    • stymeedone

      6 years ago

      DD always had a closer in Detroit. He just left it at that. No depth in the bullpen killed them.

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  14. bradthebluefish

    6 years ago

    Dombrowski better get somebody for the bullpen / closer role. Situating the bullpen will always be his Achilles heel. Though to be fair, much of the bullpen help he signs or trades for get injured.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      If Boston doesnt win a title next year, this is why. No fan should blame any player no matter how much they underperform – its 100% on owners when a team does not win a title – we need to fully accept this reality and stop blaming players for cheapskate billionaire owners.

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      • thefenwayfaithful 2

        6 years ago

        I don’t think we can go there with Henry. I think this has less to do with payroll flexibility in terms of dollars and more to do with resetting some of those luxury tax penalties in the near future and not having our draft position dropped 10 spots again. In short, this probably has more to do with DD and the front office trying to protect the future a bit.

        Its hard to plan for a team where almost all of your major talent is a year or two from free agency and you have a farm system with nothing special to pull out of it. The Sox are heading for a rebuild. How long or short that will be will depend on the moves made in 2018-2020.

        I agree it’s a weird time to stop spending, but its pretty clear if the CBA weren’t in place, Henry would blow the top off this thing. Be easy on him. Top payroll in baseball is far from cheap.

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    • thefenwayfaithful 2

      6 years ago

      I think you make a good point in the bullpen acquisitions having some struggles. I do think DD has learned from his time in Detroit. Getting so close a few times, and letting that bullpen be what does his team in…

      What I think DD is banking on is that the Red Sox are going to have a busy June/July. They are in a similar position to the Cubs (but the Sox are a bit stronger in the lineup and rotation). But their window is closing fast (even faster then Cubs)..

      But if you look at next years impending free agents, I don’t know who he thinks is going to be available. The best names on the list are older names. Cishek, Reed, Rodney, O’Day etc have all had issues and none of them represent the closer the Sox need at this point. The Sox are too depleted in the farm to get involved on guys with more then a half season of team control yet.

      In DD I trust for now… But he’s going to look really bad if the Sox do terribly and Kimbrel winds up with a 3 year 50 mil or less contract elsewhere. I really hope the Sox are just posturing with Kimbrel’s camp.

      Weird timing by both the Sox and Cubs to cap the payroll. Ricketts comments yesterday have me really worried for the Cubbies as well.

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  15. queensburykid

    6 years ago

    Brad Brach, Justin W., or Adam Warren, or alot prayers. Kimbrel is too expensive. The Red Sox could always people, but who? Bradley? Swihart? Few RS prospects are going to tempt other teams.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      You and so many baseball fans really need to stop thinking in terms of “too expensive” because you are literally saying “It is ok that owners want to make $500M next year instead of “$480M”.

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      • stymeedone

        6 years ago

        fake news and no facts to back your claims

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  16. yesgeo

    6 years ago

    SEEMS RS are in box of sorts … never was reliable cost effective closers on the market in 2018.. just big bucks big risk mediocre Era pitchers .. Kimberly was horrid in 2ND half 2018 … big risk..

    then he has wage cap to deal with… BOX ..

    is there an answer ?

    maybe the kids on the farm are best option ?
    trade during spring training?

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  17. yesgeo

    6 years ago

    okie SEEMS RS are in box of sorts … never was reliable cost effective closers on the market in 2018.. just big bucks big risk mediocre Era pitchers .. Kimberly was horrid in 2ND half 2018 … big risk..

    then he has wage cap to deal with… BOX ..

    is there an answer ?

    maybe the kids on the farm are best option ?
    trade during spring training?

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Billionaire owners need to stop lying about “affordability”., straight up.

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  18. Strike Four

    6 years ago

    Completely pathetic lies told by Boston’s owners. They 100% can afford to give Kimbrel a 5/100 deal but won’t and therefore won’t win a title next year. Why.

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  19. robluca21

    6 years ago

    Boston is playing a dangerous game going closer by committee… Stephen Wright in the 9th inning ? Lol

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  20. Jeff Zanghi

    6 years ago

    I think the Red Sox must be banking on one or two of their minor league relievers to step up at some point in 2019… otherwise it’s a terrible plan to just go into the season with the current group in the pen. They had a weak bullpen last year and that included Kimbrel… take him out and even as a die hard Sox fan I’m really worried about it. (not to mention Kelly is gone too). Maybe Durbin Feltman will be the guy who steps up, granted he hasn’t advanced past A+ but even as he was drafted last year there were rumors he could potentially make it to the majors in 2018. They’ve also got a couple of guys who are starters from the 2017 draft who throw hard and project as possible pen arms. Hopefully someone steps up because to be honest… their current crop of relievers is a disaster waiting to happen.

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    • Bruin1012

      6 years ago

      I think they think Durbin Feltman will step up. He has only been a closer really doesn’t need a lot of seasoning in the minors if anymore. He will get a spring training invite and see if his 95-99 mph with movement fastball and wipeout slider are ready. I’m guessing he will be closing by the end of the year.

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      • Bruin1012

        6 years ago

        That’s if they don’t sign Kimbrel late.

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  21. Melchez

    6 years ago

    Remember when the baseball experts said the market wouldnt move until Harper, Machado and Kimbrel sign…

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  22. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Knock knock braves! Where are y’all at??!!! Guess what your #1 need truly is! BULLPEN! We needed 2-3 very strong arms, 1-2 elite bullpen arms… now there are almost none left on the market. WAKE UP

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  23. its_happening

    6 years ago

    Axford on a minor league deal with incentives would be fine. His family’s not far away from Buffalo either (not to say Axford would pitch in AAA).

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  24. bosoxDave

    6 years ago

    What point is it to save money to get a better low draft pick while you pay to have a loaded 25 man roster that lacks ONE important piece?
    I’m not to thrilled about watching games get blown in the 9Th inning day in and day out.

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    • stymeedone

      6 years ago

      how many have you seen this year? Oh, right. NONE. But why wait for it to happen when you can complain now.

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  25. jim stem

    6 years ago

    Phillies would be smart to land Norris. Their current 3, 4, and 5 starters struggle routinely to get into the 6th and Kapler will warm up everyone out there including the ground crew. Norris is very adept at going multiple innings which would save arms and can certainly close. He and Robertson make a very nice, experienced tandem with all those young kids learning on the job.

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  26. Yankeepatriot

    6 years ago

    Kimbrel should fire his agent. Instead of him driving the market for relievers it’s been the opposite. He’s the only good reliever left now lol

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  27. whitered

    6 years ago

    don’t get me wrong. i’m a braves fan & i like him but kimbrel’s not worth the money to me. he throws strikes, but he’s wild in the zone. doesn’t have pinpoint control. while he can overpower 90% of hitters in the regular season, he gets exposed in the playoffs by the elite hitters.

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  28. Flapjax55

    6 years ago

    I am a Red Sox fan and a huge Kimberly fan. So I’m sorry to say the following: I would assume that everyone reading MLBTR saw the playoffs and World Series. I think it’s obvious the coaches and organization lost confidence in him. In some form or fashion he has to reestablish himself.

    I find it hard to believe no one is bringing that up. There is very little statistical evidence that will explain how bad the problem was. Literally, they could not use him to close a game. They had to use Sale in game 7 when Kimberly should have been available—at least in an all hands on deck situation. But they went with Sale. During both the ALDS and ALCS he couldn’t find the strike zone and when he did he was getting hit hard. When he did squeak out the couple of saves he got they were nail biters with several flies to to warning track. It was bad.it almost looked to me like a case of nerves or worse the yips. I do think he’ll bounce back. And maybe a lower pressure gig would help, but I also think just the time off will help. After reading the Alex Speier article on how Boston is changing the word pitching approach and getting more out of their staff I think there is truth to their disinterest in spending big in any reliever. Unfortunately that thought process will likely prevail until they get burned. As much as I want him back, I think a change of scenery would benefit him. And I wish him all the best.

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    • Flapjax55

      6 years ago

      Ugh…auto check: Kimbrel not Kimberly

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    • ffrhb14Sox

      6 years ago

      Good comment, just one thing, I dont think a mindset of getting value out of the rotation over the bullpen is unfortunate. It’ll be unfortunate if they follow the overuse/overreliance on bullpen idea.

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  29. Paul Griggs

    6 years ago

    Please, Twins, don’t sign Brach! I’d rather get a reliable veteran or even go with the hot hand amongst the youngsters.

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  30. Monkey’s Uncle

    6 years ago

    I have to give John Axford some credit. Every time I think he’s washed up, he latched on somewhere and contributes. He certainly shouldn’t be closing at this stage in his career, but I’m not going to bet against him matching on in Toronto or somewhere else and being a bullpen asset.

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  31. ontario_dave

    6 years ago

    I get Axford isn’t the most exciting news but lets face it Jays are putting a team on the field and thats it… I would like to think they are tickled pink to actually think someone would like to mentor the younger staff coming in. I’m already at odds with Shapiro and Atkins so shouldn’t make much difference.

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