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AL Notes: Harper, Betts, Severino, Baldelli, Harvey, Kennedy

By Steve Adams and Jeff Todd | February 15, 2019 at 12:26am CDT

It’s mostly of historical interest now, but Astros GM Jeff Luhnow acknowledged that the club had a deal all but locked down to land Bryce Harper last summer. (Via Mark Berman of FOX 26, on Twitter.) Reports indicated that the Nationals would have received a strong haul of talent had they agreed to give up Harper at the non-waiver deadline; instead, the club announced on deadline day that it would not part with its star, who is now (still) a free agent. Lest anyone get the wrong idea, the Houston organization’s prior interest certainly doesn’t indicate that Harper is of interest presently. There has been no such connection this winter. Luhnow did suggest, though, that the pursuit is evidence of the team’s commitment to “look at all alternatives” and possibly swing major deals at the trade deadline.

Those who enjoy concocting wild trade scenarios will also take note of Luhnow’s intriguing aside: “I think fans would be surprised at the types of players at times that we’ve gone after and how close we’ve come on some of them.” Here’s more from the American League:

  • Star Red Sox outfielder Mookie Betts discussed his approach to handling the business side of the sport, as Jason Mastrodonato of the Boston Herald reports. Betts says he believes in staying patient. “When you start rushing into things, that’s when you get some deals that may not be the right ones,” he said. Of course, Betts has to this point set himself up for a potentially record-setting run through arbitration by not only going year-to-year, but by also increasing his performance level in successive seasons. He just settled for a whopping $20MM, setting a record for a second-time arb-eligible player. Whether he’ll consider a long-term deal in the future isn’t clear; Betts would allow only that he enjoys playing in Boston and would “have to see how it goes.”
  • In other AL East contractual matters, the Yankees’ reported chatter about a long-term deal with staff ace Luis Severino does not seem to be gaining traction, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter). It seems that the sides will instead focus on preparing for an upcoming arbitration hearing, though that can always change at the last minute — whether due to agreement on a single-season salary or something more significant. If the case goes to a panel, the arbitrators will need to decide between Severino’s proposed $5.25MM payout and the club’s $4.4MM counter. There’s added significance given that the Super Two qualifier still has three more potential arb years to come, making his starting salary quite important.
  • While terms of his contract weren’t announced or reported at the time, Twins skipper Rocco Baldelli inked a four-year contract when being hired for his managerial debut, Dan Hayes of The Athletic reports (subscription required). The deal also has multiple club options. It’s a show of faith in the rookie manager and a departure from the manner in which Minnesota has previously operated, as Aaron Gleeman of Baseball Prospectus notes (Twitter link). Under previous management, the Twins typically only issued two-year pacts to skipper Ron Gardenhire, who was one of the game’s longest-tenured managers when he was dismissed from the organization. And Paul Molitor, whom the the Twins ousted to make way for Baldelli, was one season into a three-year contract when the Twins ultimately changed course.
  • Angels right-hander Matt Harvey will be out for the next week to 10 days due to a strained glute muscle, tweets Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register. It’s a minor injury and one that isn’t expected to hinder Harvey’s readiness for Opening Day, but it nonetheless bears some monitoring as Harvey looks to rebuild stock in Anaheim on a one-year, $11MM contract. The injury is all the more notable given the Halos’ rash of pitching maladies in recent seasons. The team is already expecting to be without right-hander Nick Tropeano to open the season.
  • The Royals are considering utilizing veteran starter Ian Kennedy as a bullpen piece this season, and the righty spoke with Rustin Dodd of The Athletic about the potential role change (subscription required). Kennedy took a team-first attitude and said he’s willing to pitch for the Royals in any role, so long as it helps the team win more games. Looking elsewhere on the roster, Dodd writes that Danny Duffy, Brad Keller and Jakob Junis are likely locks for the rotation, while non-roster invitee Homer Bailey will compete for a starter job but likely not a bullpen role (per Yost). The Kansas City Star’s Lynn Worthy also addressed the situation, speaking with newly signed Brad Boxberger about pitching roles. While Boxberger would “love” the opportunity to close, it doesn’t seem as though any such promises were made to him. Ultimately, Yost declined to discuss specific roles and stressed the importance of having multiple options who can be trusted to close out games and thrive in high-leverage spots.
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  1. xabial

    6 years ago

    Yanks will surprise in the Harper/Machado sweepstakes.

    nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sports-…

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    • Moneyballer

      6 years ago

      The only surprise will be when they do not land either player. They have to pay their young core at some point.

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      • ullnvrknw

        6 years ago

        They’re getting Harper

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        • bklynny67

          6 years ago

          False

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      • Melchez

        6 years ago

        Is this the same source that said Patrick Corbin would sign with the Yankees? And that the Yankees would get scooter g for sonny g? Or that Goldschmidt would be a yankee?

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      • Begamin

        6 years ago

        Dont think it would be that much of a surprise if that happened, tbh

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      • martyvan90

        6 years ago

        That’s not a surprise to any Yankee fan but X Ball.

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    • BrewersMVP08

      6 years ago

      the only surprise i see, is the fact that you still post on here.

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    • mcmillankmm

      6 years ago

      I figured they would get Harper, but it seems like there’s been more noise with Machado

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    • hohnav21

      6 years ago

      Harper! Judge Harper Stanton 2,3,4. Not yo mention the others would be fantastic

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    • imgman09

      6 years ago

      ny make no sense for Harper and won’t happen,there not going to exceed Stanton’s Contract for a guy who plays Outfield,something they don’t need and he’s going WEST anyway but Manny makes a lot sense and I believe he will end up there ,they are just waiting each other out

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    • Houston We Have A Solution

      6 years ago

      Hes had some good comments where its an intriguing theory and explains his idea well. But this isn’t that type of comment. Just national inquirer type statement and source.

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    • Begamin

      6 years ago

      xabial, i had you pegged for MLBTR comeback player of the year. dont do this to me now

      Anyway, they wont surprise unless Macharper drastically reduce the amount they are asking for. No positional need for either player isnt going to make them dish out ~$300M. I think the Yankees are already too far above the tax for their liking to push it even higher. If they surprise anywhere it will probably be another SP like how Phillies were the surprise acquirers of Arrieta.

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  2. Moneyballer

    6 years ago

    The arbitration system is fair. If a player is already a superstar even at a young age, he should be paid accordingly.

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  3. Senioreditor

    6 years ago

    Harvey’s already injured…….

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    • njbirdsfan

      6 years ago

      This is all the Mets’ fault in his mind somehow.

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      • Z-A 2

        6 years ago

        load management

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        • itsmeheyhi

          6 years ago

          thats what she said

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        • aj_54

          6 years ago

          nice

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    • SashaBanksFan

      6 years ago

      The Angels initiation process is complete. Welcome to the team!

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  4. Grizalt

    6 years ago

    Lmao I hope the Nats like that extra fourth rounder

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  5. dionls

    6 years ago

    Betts should take caution. Undersized player.
    If Sox offer him 8/240, he would be dumb to test free agency. He should talk to JDM

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    • KnicksFanCavsFan

      6 years ago

      in baseball, what’s the risk for a player his size? it’s not like the nba or nfl.

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    • kenleyfornia2

      6 years ago

      This isn’t basketball, football or hockey dude. Undersize isn’t a thing.

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    • tylerall5

      6 years ago

      Undersized players get paid al the time in baseball.

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      • pageian

        6 years ago

        Altuve

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        • xabial

          6 years ago

          Altuve is the exception. Listed what, 5’6? MVP

          He is an inspiration, but not the rule.

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        • JFactor

          6 years ago

          There have been a ton of undersized MLB players that had fantastic careers.

          Mel Ott was the best power hitter of his generation and was only 5’9. In baseball, it simply doesn’t matter.

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          5 foot 9 wasn’t bad back then. Also have to remember Polo Grounds down the RF line was 257 ft, give or take. Chip shot.

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        • Melchez

          6 years ago

          They should have picked up a tall kid then. He would have hit twice as many homers.

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        • Melchez

          6 years ago

          Pedroia… lincecum… whole bunch of exceptions.

          Mookie Betts…. Jose ramirez…

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          Those are interesting examples, since both of them broke down really early.

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        • boo rad

          6 years ago

          The Toy Cannon

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        • Melchez

          6 years ago

          Pedroia was solid until his age 34… 13th season.
          Lincecum had 4 top 10 seasons and then fell apart… that’s 4 years of top production for a starting pitcher… better than most.

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        • SayfromMaclay

          6 years ago

          I think you meant to say he’s the exception, not the rule.
          It was actually something that didn’t make sense to me. Sorry fam.

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    • fantasyman99

      6 years ago

      JD , Kimbrel , Machado , Harper , Cargo , Jones , ect … so many guys should be aware of the money owners are gonna pay these days , this ain’t the Wild West from back in the pay day where any FA got a 100 mill …

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    • getright11

      6 years ago

      Go back go hoopsrumors.

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    • johnrealtime

      6 years ago

      People are height-crazy after Murray. Mookie is 5″9. That is completely fine for an OF with his skill set. This is really getting out of hand

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    • bostonbob

      6 years ago

      I just hope he is playing the game, building up his “resume” and get his best deal and stay with sox

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      • ShieldF123

        6 years ago

        Not likely. He’s been saying from the start that he would test free agency and take the best overall deal.

        Doesn’t seem like a hometown discount kind of guy to me.

        I think the Sox have a better chance of retaining both JBJ and Xander, possibly Sale depending on health. Betts is gone though

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  6. jayspoon

    6 years ago

    I know he’s a pitcher so there’s risk involved but I’d be thrilled if the Yankees bought out all of Sevys arb years and added 3 years to the end of it

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    • Z-A 2

      6 years ago

      I think you’d only get 1 or 2. He could make 20-25M in FA if he tends as an Ace

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  7. pageian

    6 years ago

    Can’t imagine Bailey making anyones rotation this year. Maybe he’ll surprise but I think he’s done. Just too many injuries and to much time away.

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  8. bkbk

    6 years ago

    Being an Angel fan is savage

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    • Ejemp2006

      6 years ago

      Angels head athletic trainer degree from online degree mill called University California of Pennsylvania. Alex, “what are reasons Angels pitchers always hurt? For 500.” Bad training for training!

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      • Bocephus

        6 years ago

        Who’s the Mets trainer Alex…

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        • Ejemp2006

          6 years ago

          Baseball training is secret for team success and fails. Mets fired old trainer. Old Met trainer used experimental Halo neuroscience gear for training and made mistake. Made for injury a lot.

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        • mikeyank55

          6 years ago

          Hey Ej-Mets pitchers injuries were due to “TC”’s overuse and abuse of the staff. Not understanding how to manage the bullpen and bring in fresh arms, he presided over blowing past sensible innings limits.

          He hung Johan out to dry by allowing him to throw around 137 pitches in his no hitter as he was working his way back from yearS on the DL. Any other manager would have done the right thing in the 7th inning and walked out to the mound and patted him on the back while taking the ball.

          He WAS NEVER the same pitcher after that game. He presided over ending johans career.

          TC and dummy Sandy played the Ny press and social media against Matt Harvey to intimidate him to blow past his medical recommended innings limit. He was never the same either.

          I’m not disputing your intel regarding the training methods as I wouldn’t put anything past the Mets organization.

          They are investment and brain poor from the top and their MO is consistent and clear; spread enough fairy Hope dust around to get the dummy fans to cough up there hard earned money with the promise of fantasy.

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        • findingnimmo

          6 years ago

          Here we go

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        6 years ago

        If you mean California University of Pennsylvania, it is, in fact, a real school.

        It’s not a good school, but, it’s a real one.

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        • Ejemp2006

          6 years ago

          I laugh at University California of Pennsylvania because I thought of doing it on retirement. No require for GRE or for me, English proficiency test proof. If you want fake rehab science degree, then University California of Pennsylvania is fitting.

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      • jleve618

        6 years ago

        You have that backwards, the categories provide the answers, the responses are the questions.

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  9. ullnvrknw

    6 years ago

    Harper to yanks and trade Stanton and ellsbury to sf for samardzija

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    • Ejemp2006

      6 years ago

      Stanton no trade blocks because why move again?

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      • Bocephus

        6 years ago

        Yea, that ship has sailed.

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      • dobsonel

        6 years ago

        Why do people keeps saying this? Why trade away Stanton’s offensive numbers and then go ahead and sign the equivalent of Stanton’s offensive numbers for even more money?

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        • PopeMarley

          6 years ago

          Maybe because he’s the highest paid DH in history.
          That contract will be an anchor sooner than later, and will hamper other needs.
          The acquisition of such a similar source as Judge was far from needed.
          The Yankees did all they could to get under the luxury tax for this years FA, and of course his salary prevented that…just a few.

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        • dobsonel

          6 years ago

          Actually no they did not get under the luxury tax for this year’s free agent class. That was a media driven assumption that was never based on facts or statements from Yankee management or ownership.

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        • dobsonel

          6 years ago

          Offensively, it makes no difference what position you play. Harper has a career OPS of .900. Stanton has a career OPS of .905. They are essentially the same hitter. And based on Harper’s OF performance last season, he is going to be the highest paid DH in the league in a few years.

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        • PopeMarley

          6 years ago

          What does it matter they’re the NY Yankees and print money so sign the guy “Harper”.

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      • ShieldF123

        6 years ago

        And why move to a team that is sinking into a rebuild but still denying it

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        • Ejemp2006

          6 years ago

          Giants have respect from us. Fight for each win even if rebuild time came. Draft high in baseball not as important as draft good.

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    • canadianyankee

      6 years ago

      Ellsbury also has a NTC, besides IF the Yanks still want/get Harper they’ll want to put him between Judge and Stanton, not offload one

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  10. BrewersMVP08

    6 years ago

    really hope that machado and harper hold out long enough to the point that they miss time in the regular season. good job owners for not caving in to the players ridiculous demands. teams are learning that winning is about more than one player. look at us last year. collective unit of players got us one win from the world series (yelich tho ;). don’t see any reason why a team would shovel 300 plus million for one player anymore after the awful history of those contracts. take that 30 million a year a team would spend on harper/machado and improve the rotation and bullpen. much more efficient than paying 2 idiots- one who barely produces enough to be called a superstar, and another who is an absolute POS on and off the field.

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  11. ReverieDays

    6 years ago

    I’d like to remind everyone how ridiculous the predictions were for Harper and Machado by the guys who paraphrase for this site.

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    • Bosin Rag

      6 years ago

      I’d like to remind you that their numbers were generally in line with crowdsourced figures, what the players and their agents are demanding, and how the free agent market has historically treated players of their age and caliber.

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      • rrddbb44

        6 years ago

        Boom, fact checked.

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    • jleve618

      6 years ago

      I still think harper gets 400 million with 3 opt outs. I never bet against boras.

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      • ShieldF123

        6 years ago

        Mike Moustakas for you on line 1

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  12. Kycubfan

    6 years ago

    Sorry brewers MVP but Harper is a superstar. And he has the numbers to back it up

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    • BrewersMVP08

      6 years ago

      I dont agree man. good player but no superstar.

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    • BrewersMVP08

      6 years ago

      he’s hit above .300 2 times in his career and over 100 RBIs once, while disappearing in big spots at the plate. injury prone and doesn’t play good defense. not a superstar. gotta back it up. idc if he’s a “brand”

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      • davidcoonce74

        6 years ago

        Please, for the love of god, can we stop using batting average and RBIs as indicators of quality? Please? It’s 2019. Harper is 26, he was the 18th-best hitter in baseball in a down year (2018). I’m not sure what Machado has done “off the field” to have him labelled as a “POS,” unless you’re referring to his very minor comment about not hustling all the time, which is the most overblown thing I’ve seen in a long time.

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        • BrewersMVP08

          6 years ago

          yeah let’s stop using the most common stats in the game to indicate quality? let’s use some strikeout record or WAR right?

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        • Papabueno

          6 years ago

          You want to use OPS, instead of BA, and RBIs?. That’s fine, but IMO driving in a run is more valuable than getting on base. A hit is always better than a walk, so I still believe BA matters. Look at the MVP voting and show me a winner with a low BA.
          How about WAR? Harper’s has been below 2.0 in three out of the last five seasons. Those are not Superstar numbers.

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        • BrewersMVP08

          6 years ago

          why does every player get judged on batting average rbis and defense, but as soon as we talk about harpers, these stats are instantly thrown out the window as not important

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        • BrewersMVP08

          6 years ago

          Papabueno I agree. he does not have superstar numbers and shouldn’t be paid like one until he consistently puts up great numbers. notice how the knock on machado is never his numbers? always his attitude and antics on the field. that’s a lot easier to fix than someone like harper, who hasn’t put up consistent numbers. when teams are worried about your consistency and productivity, you are automatically disqualified from the superstar conversation.

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        • jbs32

          6 years ago

          I have to respectively disagree. Driving in runs is heavily influenced by the performance of the guys in front of you in the lineup, they don’t get on you don’t get the RBIs no matter how well you hit. Does BA matter? Sure I’d rather have hits than walks too. But I’ll take 250/400 over 280/320 any day of the week, getting on base matters most of all. Similar OBP obviously take the higher average but let’s not act like replacing outs with walks is meaningless or bad. In a down year Harper was still top 10 in OBP and 4th out of those 10 in RBI

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        • Papabueno

          6 years ago

          If the bases are empty, a hit could result in an XBH. A walk doesn’t.
          If there is a RISP, a hit can drive him in. A walk doesn’t.
          Sure taking your walks and getting on base matters, but not as much as hits.
          I’m a huge Nats fan. Watch every game. I can promise you that Harper hitting .220 or whatever he did in the first half, hurt their record (even tho he took a lot of walks).
          Bottom line for me is consistency. If you want to be the highest paid player in the game, you need to consistently perform like the best player in the game. Harper flat out doesn’t.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          You want to stop using those stats bc they don’t help your argument. If they helped your argument, you’d be all for using them.

          Fact of the matter is, BA is important – if a player doesn’t get many hits, he’s benched. You can only hit sub-par for so long.

          Harper has one great season, a few mediocre at best ones as well.

          He HAS the talent, but so far, he’s been a bust given the hype.

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        • jekporkins

          6 years ago

          I know I’m old school, but I love BA, RBI, hits, walks, HRs, runs and steals to evaluate a player as much as any other stat.

          When we start going into some of these statistics and I start reading how Joey Gallo is an all-star and a .247 batting average is worth $300 million a year… I can’t wrap my head around it, and I went to Bovine University.

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        • jbs32

          6 years ago

          The way I see it if bases are empty I want the guy with a 40% chance to get on base over the guy with a 32% chance. In my proposed lines above the average guy is getting 3 more hits/100 ABs and the OBP guy is getting on base 8 times/100 ABs more. Most hits are singles anyway. I get where you’re coming from, but I want the guy less likely to get out and pass the baton to the next guy in the lineup. It’s not like the 250 average guy isn’t getting hits, over 500 ABs it’s 15 fewer hits but he’s extending innings, wearing out pitchers, and setting up more runs. Nobody’s arguing that walks are better than hits on a 1:1 scale, I even said OBP being the same I’m obviously taking the higher average. But I’ll also take an extra 44 walks over an extra 17 hits over the course of a season (550 ABs)

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        • johnrealtime

          6 years ago

          The problem Papabueno, is that RBI is largely tied to a combination of your team and chance. You can’t control how many people are on base when you hit

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        • jbs32

          6 years ago

          I don’t get the one great season thing, are we talking about his MVP year or the year he hit 319/413/595 with 29 homeruns in 111 games? When I look at his numbers I see 2 great seasons with MVP consideration, 3 very good seasons at the beginning of his career with a combined 272/351/465 line, and two for him poor seasons where he was still an all star and would have been in the top 20 last year in OBP. He’s inconsistent, but has MVP level ceiling and the floor he’s shown to this point is still star level, offensively anyway. He’s no Trout but people get a lot more praise on here for doing a lot less

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        • ER130R

          6 years ago

          Once he grew up, my friend Ralph also went to Bovine University.

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    • SargentDownvote

      6 years ago

      I think that “superstar” label is being thrown around way too liberally. His stats indicate that he is a potential superstar but I don’t think he is there quite yet. But if you go by how many times his name is mentioned in the sports news (lately) and how many baseball jerseys he has sold over the years, then perhaps that’s a different story. But based only on stats alone, he is not a superstar (neither is Machado).

      In this case, you would be paying them for their future stats. Whereas before, teams have paid free agents for past performance.

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      • BrewersMVP08

        6 years ago

        thank you! harper is not a superstar. I do disagree with you on machado. even though I don’t like him, he produces enough to be labeled a superstar

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        • getright11

          6 years ago

          Shut up already with this argument. We read you the first 11x you posted it.

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  13. dlevin11

    6 years ago

    Harper will most likely be a Yankee with the short porch in left field at Yankee Stadium too tempting to pass up. Outfield of Judge, Harper, and Stanton will set new records if healthy. Ellsbury must go with Yanks paying his remaining salary.

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    • BrewersMVP08

      6 years ago

      strikeout record you mean?

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      • davidcoonce74

        6 years ago

        An out is an out. Strikeouts are pretty common in baseball because pitchers throw 100 MPH. Christian Yelich, who was the MVP of the NL in 2018, struck out 135 times. He had a 164 OPS+. Harper, who had a down year in 2018, had a 133 OPS+ while striking out 169 times. But Harper drew almost twice as many walks as Yelich (130 to 68); basically, Harper was just a little worse, in a bad year, than Yelich, who had a career year and won MVP. Harper is also a year younger than Yelich. But who cares about strikeouts; focus on outs. In the grand scheme of things, Harper and Yelich made about the same number of outs.

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        • BrewersMVP08

          6 years ago

          don’t even try and compare yelich, who was like 2 homers away from a triple crown, to that clown Harper. get real

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        • SargentDownvote

          6 years ago

          “An out is an out.”

          Not all outs are the same. Just saying. A strikeout is the least productive type of out there is.

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        • Sports_Guy

          6 years ago

          I agree with you in part. The strikeout figures you mentioned are pretty close and pitchers seem to throw harder than ever before. But outs are not just totally outs.
          There are more productive ways to make outs; like sac flies, sac bunts and hitting a grounder the other way to advance a runner. Putting the ball in play creates an opportunity get on base and/or be productive.
          Strikeouts, unless the 3rd strike is dropped and the batter or runners can advance, creates nothing (Especially for those not known for hustling).
          While superstars aren’t “paid” for that, it’s a basic fundamental component of baseball.

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        • dave13

          6 years ago

          You always say this stuff about strikeouts which shows your either very young or entirely clueless about the game of baseball. Strikeouts are not always just an out. You should care about strikeouts they are not productive outs. Strikeouts do not force the other team to get you out, you can’t get on base because of errors, can’t move a runner over, can’t sac fly to score a RUN. If 3 of your top 4 hitters are high strikeout guys you’ll struggle to manufacture some runs over the course of a 162 game season. Every game isn’t a HR derby even though fans like you are only interested in that. Stop spewing this nonsense and actually learn the game of baseball.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          No, that isn’t true at all. The least-productive kind of out is a GIDP.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          They made about the same number of outs; the chief role of a hitter is to, you know, not make an out.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          There is one thing in baseball that is finite; which is that each team gets 27 outs to score as many runs as possible. How do you score runs? By putting runners on base and getting them in a position to score. There’s lots of ways to do this, of course, and sacrifice flies and the like are a tiny, tiny part of the game. The chief function of a batter is to get on base; having more runners on base, throughout the history of baseball, has always led to more runs scored. Always.

          Since this has become a thread about how Bryce Harper isn’t any good, let’s look at his numbers in 2018. Bryce Harper, in 2018, had 137 hits. He had 130 walks. He scored 103 runs and, if RBIs are your thing, he drove in 100. Using just the most generic “Runs Created” formula from decades ago (Runs + RBI-HR) Harper created 166 runs. Christian Yelich, who won the MVP award (and deserved it) scored 118 runs and drove in 110 runs. His Runs Created (using the same formula) were 192.

          So Yelich, in his career year, created 26 more runs than Harper, who had a “down” year. 26 runs isn’t nothing; it’s a few wins over the course of a year. But, seriously, give me a break with this silly stuff about batting average and strikeouts – look at runs. Runs win games. Not making outs wins games.

          And, anonymous dave13, not that I feel like I have to justify anything, but I’ve certainly been playing baseball longer than you’ve been alive. Hint: I’ve seen Tony Gwynn play in person. Back when he was fast. I’ve seen Pete Rose play in person, back when he was still good. I don’t need to give you my bonafides to prove I know about the game. I also am intellectually curious and willing to look beyond batting average and RBIs as a total measure of a player’s worth.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          A career year for one player should not be higher than a “superstars” year – to be properly labeled a superstar.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          That’s just semantics though…I mean, what is a “superstar”? Is there one in baseball right now; a player who transcends the game? I mean, Trout is easily the best player in baseball but he is the most boring person imaginable; Harper at least has a personality. Machado at least has a personality. hell, even Trevor Bauer, who I personally despise, has a personality, like it or hate it.

          Harper, is, of course also younger than Trout, Machado, Yelich, Betts, Altuve, DeGrom, etc….Even if he just does what he did in 2018 he’s on a pace to hit 500 homers in his career. And he’s better than he was in 2018, I believe.

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        • Wadz

          6 years ago

          Harper is a star when you combine his effect off the field.. On the field he has been a star far too infrequently to be considered a star player.

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        • bronxbombers

          6 years ago

          -david
          Least productive is K because think for runner at third 0 outs. GIDP gets a run on but a K wouldn’t.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          two outs is a worse outcome than one run. Outs are finite.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          Runs are unlimited; and the number of situations in which there is a runner on third, no outs, is way less frequent than a runner on 1st, less than two outs.

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        • canadianyankee

          6 years ago

          Isn’t a double play less productive than a strikeout?…or does that fall in a different category cuz it’s out with an S?

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        • Sports_Guy

          6 years ago

          No. A GIDP can still score a run.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          A GIDP only scores a run when that run is inconsequential; otherwise the defensive team gets the out at home. There are way more – like hundreds of magnitudes more – double plays that don’t score a run than double plays that do.

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        • davidcoonce74

          6 years ago

          Times on base, 2018:

          Bryce Harper: 273
          Christian Yelich: 262

          Yelich also hit into twice as many double plays as Harper.

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        • Sports_Guy

          6 years ago

          Inconsequential is a relative term. How many times do teams trade a run for 2 outs in the early part of a game, even if the don’t have a big lead? They figure they can make it up later. This happens a lot in the first 3-4 innings.
          There are too many 1 run games, or even “close” games in baseball to not play sound, fundamental baseball.

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    • SargentDownvote

      6 years ago

      Getting a power lefty bat for that short porch in right field is overrated and it is usually the first thing people mention when it comes to Harper in a Yankee uniform.. Judge and Stanton reach the seats in right field just fine. Over the years, the Yanks have not had great numbers from (primarily) the left side. How many Yankee lefty bats have hit 40+ homers in the modern era? Tino, Giambi, Jackson. Am I missing anyone?

      I agree that balance is good. Harper would be interesting in that Yankee lineup. But to say he will hit 40 homers anywhere is not easy.

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      • cjuluca

        6 years ago

        Grandyman…twice!

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      • bronxbombers

        6 years ago

        Cano got close
        Teixera if you wanna count the switch hitter

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        • canadianyankee

          6 years ago

          Bird would if he didn’t break something every time he stretched

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  14. Papabueno

    6 years ago

    The Nats completely blew it last season, by not accepting the Astros deadline trade. They had no chance of catching the Braves, or passing 3-4 teams for the 2nd WC.
    Keeping Harper around clearly didn’t help them re-sign him (which was their rational for turning down the trade). Harper will likely sign somewhere else now, and all the Nats will get is a draft pick. What would their roster look like with the pieces they’d have received from Houston?
    This isn’t 20-20 hindsight either. Many of us Nats fans were pushing for them to sell at the deadline.

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    • wadlez

      6 years ago

      It was obvious they should’ve dealt Harper (which ownership prevented), but I don’t think the roster would’ve looked much different with a borderline top 100 pitching prospect in Baukakus and an org catcher as the return

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      • Papabueno

        6 years ago

        I know JB Bukauskas. He’s a local kid and my son played travel ball against him. That guy can pitch. He’s the Astros #8 prospect. Doubt the Nats will draft anyone of his caliber with the compensatory pick they’ll get if Harper signs elsewhere. True it might not have helped the Major League roster, but they still would have been better off.

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        • Wadz

          6 years ago

          Of course, they would’ve been better off with almost anything.. No real use lamenting it… Ownership didn’t let it happen… But lets not act like they turned down a slam dunk package… or something certain to help the team… it was very meh.

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  15. Pappagoose

    6 years ago

    anyone else getting tired about hearing Harper and machado. just sign already

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    • realgone2

      6 years ago

      Almost as tired as seeing people complain about them not signing

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      • canadianyankee

        6 years ago

        Well played ^^

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  16. realgone2

    6 years ago

    Nats screwed the pooch on that one. That’s why they are always an also ran when they should have been in a few World Series by now. Maybe have even won one.

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  17. coocoo

    6 years ago

    If I was an owner I wouldn’t pay Harper $300 mill for a 20 year contract It’s getting out of hand with these monstrous salaries for 1 good year of playing ball

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  18. Z-A 2

    6 years ago

    The second they realized they wouldn’t be able to resign him they should have been weighing the compensatory pick vs the haul if prospects they could have gotten. I guess they are content with a comp pick.

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  19. Halos2021WSChamps

    6 years ago

    Not even the first weekend of spring training and angels lose 2 SPs… Let’s getem next year halos!

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  20. Steve7seven

    6 years ago

    I hope they get Harper. They way they will never get the pitching they need to scare the division. With Judge getting a 400m deal in the near future, they will have 1b tied to the outfield. They already lead the league in scoring. The SP spot is ridiculously sad for a team like that. By the way, tell me what category Harper was in the top 10 in? Spoiler alert: none.

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    • aj_54

      6 years ago

      judge is not getting 400 mil you buffoon

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    • davidcoonce74

      6 years ago

      Times on base. Harper was 4th in baseball. Yelich was 8th.

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    • davidcoonce74

      6 years ago

      Bryce Harper was fourth in baseball in Times on Base in 2018.. (Trout, Bregman and Freeman were ahead of him) NL MVP Yelich was 8th. So there’s one.

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  21. Guest617

    6 years ago

    sox brass foul this up like lester’s extension? 26 y/o betts has a couple of good seasons left in him

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  22. Burback

    6 years ago

    Yankees fans are delusional! Big free agent hits the market,
    Everyone- their will be a lot of teams interested
    Yankees fans- WERE SIGNING (insert free agent)!!! 27 RiNgS!!!
    NY will not get either Harper or machado! Move on plz

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  23. Cardinals17

    6 years ago

    Harper will get tired of campaigning soon because he’s itching to get to Spring Training. And, he’ll end up back home in Washington.

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    • Rex Block

      6 years ago

      Doubtful. Nats are in camp and preparing for 2019. Adding him now would be too disruptive.

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  24. Cardinals17

    6 years ago

    Ellsbury knows where his bread is buttered. He can continue to draw multi millions of dollars on the disabled list with the Yankees every day. While staying at his own house and playing golf with his friends every day while the Yankees foot the bill. He knows he’s over the hill and he’s living his dream of retirement at a very young age. At a boy Ellsbury!! Stay on that disabled list until your contract runs out.

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  25. davidcoonce74

    6 years ago

    Times on Base, 2018:

    1. Trout • LAA 279
    2. Bregman • HOU 278
    3. Freeman • ATL 274
    4. Harper • WSN 273
    5. Ramirez • CLE 270
    6. Betts • BOS 269
    7. Goldschmidt • ARI 268
    8. Yelich • MIL 262
    9. Martinez • BOS 261
    Lindor • CLE 261

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