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Indians Increasingly Unlikely To Trade Corey Kluber

By Mark Polishuk | February 10, 2019 at 10:59pm CDT

“There is almost no chance” the Indians deal ace right-hander Corey Kluber before pitchers and catchers report to Cleveland’s Spring Training camp on Thursday, MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi reports.  This would seemingly close on the door entirely on a Kluber trade, as Morosi notes that “it’s believed that the team won’t be receptive to active trade conversations during Spring Training,” and talks also wouldn’t take place during the season unless the Tribe fell out of contention by the July trade deadline.

Rumors have swirled around Kluber for months, since news broke in early November that the Indians were open to discussing any of their veteran players in an effort to cut payroll.  Beyond Kluber, names such as Trevor Bauer, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Kipnis, Edwin Encarnacion, Yonder Alonso, and Yan Gomes were also floated as potential trade chips.  As the offseason progressed, the Tribe ended up dealing Alonso, Encarnacion and Gomes (while solidifying Carrasco as a long-term piece by signing him to an extension).

With some financial breathing room established, there seemed to be less chance that Kluber or Bauer would also be dealt.  Cleveland’s high asking price also surely played a role, as the Tribe reportedly would only move either pitcher for a prospect package akin to what the White Sox received from the Red Sox for Chris Sale.  The Reds, Yankees, Mets, Padres, Phillies, Brewers, and Dodgers were all rumored to be discussing Kluber at one point or another this winter, though barring a late-breaking change of heart, it doesn’t seem like the two-time Cy Young Award winner is going anywhere.

Kluber’s third-place finish in the 2018 AL Cy Young race unlocked up to $12MM worth of extra bonus money in his contract, as his 2019 salary is now $17MM, and his 2020 club option is raised to $17.5MM, and his 2021 club option to $18MM (both option years come with a $1MM buyout).  Even at the $52.5MM maximum over those three seasons, that’s still a very reasonable price for a pitcher who has been one of the game’s best hurlers over the last five years, even for a smaller-market team like Cleveland.  Whereas the first base/DH power of Encarnacion and Alonso could be more readily replaced (by Carlos Santana and Jake Bauers) by the Indians, it would’ve been much harder to fill Kluber’s void atop the rotation, even considering the Tribe’s enviable rotation depth.

Kluber does turn 33 in April, and he did experience both a significant spike in his hard-hit ball rate and a slight velocity drop in 2018, so the argument could be made that the Indians would’ve been prudent in selling high.  Still, Kluber hardly looked like a pitcher in decline last year, and there’s relatively little long-term risk involved for the Tribe since 2019 is the right-hander’s last guaranteed year.  For a Cleveland team that intends on another playoff run this season, trading Kluber seems like it only would’ve been a consideration if another club had been willing to overpay.  At worst, the Tribe has collected some intel on a potential Kluber market should they indeed end up exploring their options at the trade deadline.

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  1. Jean Matrac

    6 years ago

    Zero surprise. Once they cleared some salary, there was no need. And when no one was willing to blow them away with a good haul, it became a no-brainer to hold on to him.

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    • Begamin

      6 years ago

      Agreed. I cant remember if there was a poll on here about whether or not he was going to get traded but I remember commenting on a thread about how I doubt Bauer/Kluber would get traded. It just doesnt seem logical for a team thats almost indefinitely headed to the playoffs to trade away a staff leader and ace caliber pitcher in Kluber to make some cap space.

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    • Lefty Grove’s right hand

      6 years ago

      They were probably just curious what teams would offer for him. If they were blown away by an offer, they would trade him.

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      • Jean Matrac

        6 years ago

        I think more than just curious. I think it was one option, along with shedding salary. He might have been gone had they not been able to move Alonso and Gomes. Certainly if someone was willing to offer a big return they might have taken it even after trading Alonso and Gomes. Though I doubt they expected to get that kind of offer.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          It’s pretty sad that your owner won’t authorize a little more slack in the budget to help complete your team. They’re Going into the season losing Allen and Miller who’ve essentially been replaced by waiver claims and AAA arms. Neither one of their corner outfielders project to be a quality regular and the sad part is that their rotation is so good that they’ll end up winning their division anyway.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          Yeah, that’s not how a budget works. Especially for a small market team.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          As long as you keep buying it they’ll keep selling it Mack. The Indians are well under their 2018 budget and may not have a better chance for a championship for years. But that’s all good cause it’s a “small market.” That’s why they could spend 4-5 million on a couple relievers or an outfielder they desperately need

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        • BartoloHRball

          6 years ago

          RE: Having budget dictate moves and penny pinching being placed ahead of solidifying a team for a deep playoff run.

          Welcome to the last decade of being a Mets fan….it doesn’t get better either. At least CLE has a clearer path the post-season, the Mets still need most things to break right to have a chance at being relevant in Sept/Oct.

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        • Mattimeo09

          6 years ago

          I understand why they traded a lot of players, but trading their best catcher after trading their top catching prospect in the summer made no sense. Especially since they didn’t have an in-house replacement ready.
          Perez hasn’t hit well in years, and Haase hasn’t played much at all in the majors

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    • Ejemp2006

      6 years ago

      So Kluber stays an Indian and if he wins 3 Cy Young, then he becomes lowest win total starting pitcher in Hall? I think one jersey career makes him better chance for Hall.
      His trade rumor tore me. I love him for a life Indian but they have big holes for filling in order for a good compete chance. OF, bullpen, utility INF. Could of solved with Kluber trade?

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      • canocorn

        6 years ago

        As an AL Central foe of the Tribe, the prospect of facing Kluber fills my heart with dread. But at least I know I’m likely to witness a gem of a start by him.

        Gotta seek out those silver linings in life.

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  2. xabial

    6 years ago

    Risky. As the article says, “Kluber does turn 33 in April…”

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    • Begamin

      6 years ago

      He is one of the more consistent pitchers the game has ever seen. Age is a concern, but it isnt everything. I dont think a few years of Kluber is something I would consider risky.

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      • xabial

        6 years ago

        Cleveland seems to be in sell (Retool?) mode.

        They did save a lot of future salary with trade(s)

        They can afford to be picky I guess.

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        • Grizalt

          6 years ago

          How are they in tear-down mode?
          And why would they be in tear-down mode when they are already the alpha-dogs in their division? They got at least another year or two before the rise of the White Sox.

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        • xabial

          6 years ago

          @padresfanaticfan

          Edited “tear-down” to “sell (retool?)”

          I knew people would have misconstrued

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          +xabial
          1. I disagree that they are in sell/retool mode. They really needed to be buyers since they have a clear road to the playoffs but their lineup and bullpen are too weak to be winners in the playoffs. They shedded payroll by moving bad contracts, but they arent moving their stars. I wouldnt call getting rid of EE selling tbh. Barely retooling. It would be like if the Yankees traded away Ellsbury or Gardner to make up cap room. I would say, if anything, their FO is being cheap. If people showed up to the games maybe their FO wouldnt be so cheap, but they are not selling.

          2. What does this have to do with whether or not trading for Kluber is risky?

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        • xabial

          6 years ago

          “2. What does this have to do with whether or not trading for Kluber is risky?”

          I’ll answer 2 first, then try to get to 1.

          Being in sell / retool mode (as I believe) would make it riskier not to trade for prospects, in the event of regression.

          Then again, he may be turning 33, but Kluber isn’t volatile commodity; he’s a steady Ace SP.

          It’s just, the age thing worries me. You’d be gambling against Father Time, and 33+ yrs old seem to be decline years?

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        • xabial

          6 years ago

          33+ yrs old seem to be prospective* decline?

          They can ask for “King’s Ransom.”

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Justin Verlander sure pitched well the last two seasons at age 33 & 34. Xabial, besides age, you have to look at recent health and performance when judging a pitcher. When doing that it favors Kluber to continue to pitch well this upcoming season. .

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          +xabial
          2. I think the window they should worry about missing is their window to win the WS anytime soon. Their window to win been granted extra time since their fellow division rivals seem to have gone home before the season starts and they arent coming back for another year or two (Twins are a bit of a wild card, i think. 90 win season to a putrid season, although they havent gotten significantly better they have a chance to overthrow the Indians if they get a 90 win season) and the Indians should take full advantage of it.

          I think its reasonable to suspect Kluber will decline eventually with age. I just dont think his production fall off the face of the earth like Tim Lincecum. Even if his numbers drop from what they currently are, they need to drop a lot for him to not be considered elite. Obviously holding on to a player longer can devalue his trade power, even if the only difference is amount of control, but I wouldnt consider Kluber himself to be risky.

          Elite pitching gets you far in the playoffs. It keeps you in every game. If they want success in the playoffs, they need to keep their SP and shore up the pen with good RP (they let a lot of other sign already, but Kimbrel is still around).

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Don’t all teams “retool” every off-season in some way? Seriously, when’s the last time a team play all the exact same players as the year before?

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          +suffer
          That is a good point. I consider a retool to be like a mini-rebuild. If you look the time the Yankees traded Chapman and Miller, they were sellers but they didnt undergo a full rebuild in the sense that they were ready to compete the immediate following season instead of scraping the bottom of the division for a couple years or so.

          To condense the idea: they sacrificed winning now for future success but the future success they were aiming for was sooner rather than later.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          The Yankees also traded Chapman and then immediately signed him back. They didn’t lose two of their best relievers to free agency and replace them with waiver claims and minor league deals.

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          +jbigz
          I was just giving an example of a retool. I didnt say the two scenarios were identical.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Comment wasn’t really directed at you in that way. More of a knock on what the Indians are/aren’t doing. This isn’t really a retool in the way the Yankees did it all. This is the Indians shedding payroll and trying to be competitive rather than maximizing their chances to win by filling the obvious holes in their club. It’s really just being cheap for the most part. I’m not even suggesting they had to play in the top of the market. Guys like Brach or Holland/BoxBerger, Madson etc. really didn’t cost that much and would’ve helped a lot.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Yeah, keep calling them cheap. They’ll just keep finding ways to win 90+ every season.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Is there another word for not spending on your competive ballclub and instead opting for minor league signings like Matt Joyce and Alex Wilson? That seems like the textbook definition of a cheap organization. And as far wimning 90 games again, I’d say there’s a pretty good shot considering they play in the absolute biggest dumpster fire of a division in baseball. But that really won’t help them much when they have to play Boston, Houston or NY in October. However a legitimate OFer and some legitimate relievers would. You don’t have to buy all the crap you get sold to be a fan.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I don’t have any problems with selling a guy who you believe is at peak value like Yan Gomes and buying plawecki while his value is low. I’m all good with that kind of swap. It’s when you lose Brantley, Miller, and Allen and you trade Alonso’s money away and don’t make any attempt to spend a single one of those dollars to fill the gaps left behind. That’s a problem to me. They aren’t filling those holes internally and it’ll cost prospects to plug those holes at the trade deadline so I can’t really see any argument how this was a good long term move. It was a good inexpensive move for ownership for sure.

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        • Bjoe

          6 years ago

          Pretty easy to win 90+ in that division

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        • its_happening

          6 years ago

          X – I think people have some derangement syndrome because there’s no reason for the downvotes when the Cleveland Indians aren’t going all out to go all in for this season. It’s pathetic. Nobody wants that AL Central. Cleveland has the starting pitching to make a run to the World Series. It’s the only thing they have that can stop the beasts in the AL.

          Yet they are using money as an excuse. When you are the reigning division winner 3 years in a row and you’re working to trade your reigning Cy Young winner over money, you are retooling. Let’s just call it what it is.

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        • canocorn

          6 years ago

          “… besides age, you have to look at recent health and performance when judging a pitcher.“

          Also bear in mind, Verlander has Katie to look forward to.

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        • fasbal1

          6 years ago

          They win 90 every year because their division is arguably the worst un baseball. Any other division they wouldn’t come close to 90 wins.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          The Indians did make the WS In 2017. It’s a shame their ownership won’t spend to help make this team better but let’s not act like they’re a crap team. They’ve been a good team but they definitely look worse this year than years before

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        • BartoloHRball

          6 years ago

          Plawecki was a nice get. He has shown a bit more consistency at the plate and he is at least average in all areas of catching AND on a cheap contract. He can be a starter, though likely is a good option to split time…whether it be with a vet or a rookie needing experience.

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      • xXabial

        6 years ago

        age is a concern however ask the giants , Phillies, and Astros about aging players..if you get a negative response let me know

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  3. trace

    6 years ago

    Nothing to see here.

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  4. hockeyjohn

    6 years ago

    Just watch there still will be many poor trade offers made here despite what was stated in the article.

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  5. Senioreditor

    6 years ago

    The Tribe have 0% chance of winning the AL. They should grab what top level prospects they can now before he suffers any injury.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      How do the Indians have no chance when they have the best starting rotation in the American League? They also will have solid defense in most of the positions. They also have two of the most dynamic stars in Lindor and Ramirez. Once you make the playoffs, anything can happen. Are they the favorites, no, but they still have a solid chance. Vegas gives the Indians 12 to 1 odds. Only the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Astros have better odds. The Indians were not the favorite in 2016, but made the series despite many injuries. Just get in the playoffs and anything can happen.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The tribe do have a good chance and that’s the sad part that ownership is too concerned about the bottom line to make the obviously needed upgrades. Their OF projects to be one of the worst in the majors. Outside of Hand and a prayer that Salazar can be healthy and effective that is poor bullpen. Both could have and should’ve been upgraded to some extent this offseason but they’re worried about shedding cash that they aren’t reinvesting into the team.

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      • MC77

        6 years ago

        Most sites have the Indians at 15-1, with the the Brewers, Cubs, Braves, and Phillies also ahead of them. Cleveland should have done more to upgrade the bullpen.

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        • thejaketakeblog

          6 years ago

          Who has these four teams as more likely to win the World Series? I’m not buying it

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        • thejaketakeblog

          6 years ago

          For starters those other teams have to get through each other (Cubs/Brewers, Braves/Phillies) so their chances of making the playoffs are diminished hurting their WS odds. Not to mention they are all projected to finish with less wins overall suggesting they are a better team. The only advantage is a weak NL but that would not skew them ahead of Cleveland

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        • Willy Mays

          6 years ago

          Probably those odds are based on the fact that Cleveland has to go through the Yankees Bosox and Houston.Odds are not great they run that gauntlet. If say the Braves make it to the playoffs they have to go through maybe the Cubs Dodgers and Brewers.I like the Braves chances a lot more and they can even make it as a wild card and still reach the finals

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    • Jean Matrac

      6 years ago

      Zero % chance? Your odds are probably 0% accurate.

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    • jleve618

      6 years ago

      Have you ever watched the playoffs?

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      • canocorn

        6 years ago

        Zero is a legit %.

        I know, … because that is the exact % of my earnings left over after taxes, bills and minimum expenses.

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    • Juggy

      6 years ago

      Agreed Kluber will start declining this season

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  6. Col_chestbridge

    6 years ago

    They saved enough money by getting the White Sox to take Alonso and selling high on Gomes (who I would be will not repeat that offensive output). Contenders weren’t going to sell MLB assets to another contender – you just dont see those kind of trades. Not when 2/3 the league is sellers and you can trade long away prospects for James Paxton instead.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Sheffield is real far away now? Kluber is on a different level than Paxton. Nowhere near the track record of Kluber. You’re talking about a guy who’s never tossed more than 160 IP v a guy who hasn’t pitched less than 200 innings the last 5 seasons.

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      • James1955

        6 years ago

        The Yankees didn’t have to give up a Kings ransom for Paxton. Younger players have more value than older players. Players that have been injured have less value.

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      • Willy Mays

        6 years ago

        You do realize Kluber has had a 10 era the last 2 years in the postseason.Right?

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          You do realize that he finished 3rd in 2018 in the Cy Young and was outstanding in the 2016 playoff run.

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  7. sportsfreak

    6 years ago

    Twins win division.. Cruz and Resario own Indians pitching

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  8. Goose

    6 years ago

    I suspect it was always a ‘scratch ticket hope’ they would get an insane haul. No one is going to trade a good chunk of their future for a pitcher starting to get into their mid-30’s. Sale was 27 when he was dealt and he is starting to break down.

    While the window is there the Indians should be focused on going for it.

    The sad thing is if they had or acquired a pitcher like Kluber during the 90’s they would have won a World Series with that team. You think of all the players they dealt and never packaged them to get the one guy to put them over the top.

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    • aj_54

      6 years ago

      Chris sale is starting to break down? he missed some starts but that’s not true

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    • James1955

      6 years ago

      Everybody wins with the woulda coulda shoulda. Better fielding, better luck.

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  9. tharrie0820

    6 years ago

    totally forgot they were trying to trade Klubot

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  10. Juggy

    6 years ago

    Indians blow! They will be in 3rd the whole season. No matter what they do

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  11. jgoody62

    6 years ago

    The point of dealing a starter was to clear salary to buy an outfielder. They’ve already filled one by acquiring Jake Bauers, and can fill another on the cheap by signing Adam Jones or Denard Span. They could even pull perhaps Moustakas and slide Ramirez to 2B and have Kip back in the outfield.This team could get much better on a dime without dealing one of their aces

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  12. fasbal1

    6 years ago

    No chance, was the reality from the onset, you can say a guy is available but if the price is so high that no one will meet it, was he really available? No…

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  13. ohyeadam

    6 years ago

    Duh and or hello

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  14. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    6 years ago

    I think Ian Snell for the right package will be delta this summer.

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  15. Willy Mays

    6 years ago

    Now that the Realmuto trade happened I guess every few days we will start getting a report about how unlikely it is that Kluber will be traded. Not likely,, really not likely ….very much not likely……totally improbable….. from slim to none,,,,

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    • Samuel

      6 years ago

      This is the 3rd or 4th article I’ve read here in the past 3 weeks saying it is unlikely the Indians will trade Kluber (or Bauer).

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  16. Knowthemarket

    6 years ago

    There. Now can some of my fellow Braves fans stop begging AA to go out and get a TOR? It’s not available barring a willingness to pay an obscene price.

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    • Samuel

      6 years ago

      Braves SP issue is like the Indians OF issue and the Red Sox bullpen issue…….

      Unless they’re presented with an option they can’t refuse, all 3 teams will go with what they have entering the 2019 season. If players on the roster don’t step up, then they’ll trade for a rent-a-player that is healthy and having a good season. It’s far more risky to trade for a player today that might be ineffective in 2019, and get stuck with his entire salary.

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      • Knowthemarket

        6 years ago

        Some differences with the Braves. They won’t trade midseason for a rental. Last season when they were in the middle of the season AA specifically said he wouldn’t trade for a rental. He would only be interested in deals that would contribute now and in the future. Every trade he made during the deadline last season was for players with multiple years of control. He’ll do that again this year.

        Another big difference for the Braves is their farm has a better chance of developing a better than replacement level starter than the Red Sox have of developing an above replacement level closer or the Indians producing above replacement level out fielder.

        Also, there isn’t nor was their an actual TOR available during the off season outside of Corbin and no team out side the Northeast was going to land him. The same cannot be said for closers and outfielders, though if I am being honest, the Braves would not have paid the price to sign one even if their had been a TOR available.

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