4:48pm: The Yankees have now announced the agreement.
11:00am Severino’s fifth-year option is worth $15MM and comes with a $2.75MM buyout, tweets ESPN’s Jeff Passan. He’ll earn a $2MM signing bonus, a $4MM salary in 2019, $10MM in 2020, $10.25MM in 2021 and $11MM in 2022. In all, Severino can earn up to $52.25MM if the option is exercised.
As has been the case with numerous recent extensions — Max Kepler, Jorge Polanco, Whit Merrifield — Severino’s deal is more front-loaded than conventional extensions. That’s been agreed upon in some cases as a means of protection against a potential work stoppage upon completion of the current CBA in 2021.
10:41am: The Yankees and right-hander Luis Severino have avoided arbitration by agreeing to a multi-year contract, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links). The new contract is pending a physical. Severino, a client of Rep 1 Baseball, will be guaranteed $40MM over a four-year contract that contains a club option for a fifth season.
The first major payday comes as an early birthday present for Severino, who’ll turn 25 next Wednesday. It’s a well-earned contract for the Dominican-born righty, who to this point in his career has turned in a 3.51 ERA in 518 innings of work. Over the past two seasons, Severino has been both excellent and consistent, compiling a combined 3.18 ERA with 10.5 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 0.94 HR/9 and a 46 percent ground-ball rate in 384 2/3 innings of work. Though he’s yet to find success in the postseason spotlight, the Yankees’ strong core should afford Severino ample opportunities to do so over the life of this contract.
Severino had been arbitration-eligible for the first time as a Super Two player, meaning he was already controlled for those four seasons. However, the new contract arrangement affords the team with control over what would have been the right-hander’s first season of free agency.
Severino’s camp filed for a $5.25MM salary against the Yankees’ submission of $4.4MM (as can be seen in MLBTR’s Arbitration Tracker), so this contract promises him what would be at least an additional $35.6MM for his three subsequent arbitration seasons (or an additional $34.75MM in the scenario where he had won that case). Heading into arbitration, Severino and righty Aaron Nola were viewed as similar cases, and the similarity between the pair of extensions they signed this week — Nola inked a four-year, $45MM pact on Wednesday — further speak to the comparable nature of their cases.
The most notable difference between the pair of right-handers, though, was that Nola had already surpassed three year of service, while Severino was a Super Two. So while the Phillies gained control over an additional two seasons of Nola (in exchange for an additional $5MM in guarantees), the Yankees are buying out just one free-agent year. Severino will now hit the open market in advance of his age-30 season.
As was the case with the Nola deal, there’s some risk baked into this new pact for Severino. While one can hardly fault him from wanting to secure a first life-altering contract, Severino is also forgoing the opportunity to reach free agency heading into his age-29 campaign — an age at which Patrick Corbin received a six-year, $140MM contract. Granted, he’s only pushing the free-agent clock back by one season, but teams have shown an increased reluctance to pay a premium as players enter their early and mid-30s. It’s also quite possible that with at least $4.4MM (and potentially as much as $5.25MM) already banked, Severino could’ve handily topped $40MM in total earnings over the course of his four arbitration seasons.
Of course, those risks apply to virtually any early-career extension, and Severino’s new arrangement provides him with a nice safety net in the event that he incurs a serious injury or unexpected decline — either of which could radically alter his earning capacity in a scenario where he’d opted to go year-to-year through the arbitration process.
Looking at historical precedent, the contract, like Nola’s, is somewhat of a half measure. Severino isn’t fully betting on himself, surrendering his earliest opportunity at free agency in exchange for an immediate payday, but his camp also opted not to go for broke in terms of establishing a new precedent for Super Two starting pitcher extensions.
As shown in MLBTR’s Extension Tracker, Gio Gonzalez’s now seven-year-old extension with the Nationals (five years, $42MM and two club options) still stands out as the largest contract ever signed by a pitcher with between two and three years of service time. Severino did top Corey Kluber’s $38.5MM deal with the Indians by a slight margin, but Kluber wasn’t Super Two eligible and was four years older at that point than Severino is now. Of course, both Gonzalez and Kluber agreed to five-year guarantees with multiple club options as part of those contracts, whereas Severino only surrendered five years of control in total. With that in mind, it’s likely that the Yankees would have wanted (at least) an additional year of control over Severino in order to firmly set a new precedent — something to which Severino’s camp may simply not have been amenable.
Historical context aside, Severino’s contract will push the Yankees’ 2019 payroll to just north of $202MM and come with a $10MM hit on their luxury tax payroll, which is calculated by contracts’ average annual value as opposed to their year-to-year salaries. The Severino extension, then, brings New York’s 2019 luxury tax ledger to a bit more than $222MM, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez, which checks in about $16MM north of the $206MM luxury threshold. Looking beyond the current season, the Yankees now have nearly $146MM committed to the 2020 payroll and more than $161MM on their 2020 luxury ledger.
walls17
Good move for both sides.
acarneglia
That’s a steal for one of the best young arms in the game
southern lion
Yeeeessssss!
Kolukonu
That is awesome. I was worried they would not be able to extend him and be faced with extremely high arbitration numbers. This gives the team cost certainty and also gives Severino certainty. Great all around.
joshua.barron1
Why would you worry about that? If he warrants extremely high arb numbers, it’s because he was stellar. Now he gets $40 million guaranteed before throwing a single pitch and, while he has immense talent, he has been anything but consistent over the course of his big league carrier. You should be excited about the extra year of team control if anything
dirty_english
Comes hours after saying it hasn’t progressed; that was quick. Good stuff.
stratcrowder
I would like to see the entire young core get extensions, including Hicks.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Hicks would not be the best to extend since he will turn 30 this year. Not really a “young core”.
Thank Yanks young core:
Severino
Torres
Judge
Sanchez
Andujar, if he can find a defensive home.
stratcrowder
Geez dude, that’s why I said ‘including Hicks’. Hicks would actually is a very good 3-year extension candidate. Some people act like 30 is a death sentence.
stratcrowder
Ugh….*be, not *is
Begamin
Right? I agree. Age 30 is where the peak generally is and where the decline starts. However, by no means is it the end of the world. The good players are still good past 30. Very rarely do they just fall off the map completely
Dan Miller
Hicks, young core? He is neither young nor part of the core.
Dynasty
Hence why he said “including Hicks” to indicate that he’s not part of the young core but he wants him extended anyway.
stratcrowder
This app can be pretty frustrating. Sometimes my post shows up multiple times, sometimes it doesn’t show up at all.
rrddbb44
Preach
gocincy
Xabial doesn’t seem to have any problems.
Bald Vinny
Could’ve gotten more if he could perform in the post season.
pinstripes17
post season numbers don´t matter in the slightest, look at kershaw and price still got huge contracts because they are great pitchers, the postseason is a crapshoot and fluky for pitchers usually.
rivera42
Weak. SSS. Try again, troll.
Old User Name
He’s just a typical Sox fan that has the Yankees living in his head rent free.
Tom from Philly
Stealing quotes from Embiid much?
rivera42
Living in someone’s head rent-free is a saying long before Embiid.
Yankeepatriot
Thank you Phillies for laying out the groundwork for this extension from that Nola deal !!! Amazing deal for the Yankees. Sevy is ready to take that next step as he has great work ethic
Chris
Wow. If I’m remembering correctly, this is pretty unprecedented by the Yankees… extending a player so early before FA. Like I’m struggling to remember the last time they’ve done this
Yankeepatriot
I believe jeter’s huge contract was before he hit free agency
Solar Flare
Yes, they gave the captain a 10 year $189 million extension.
Bald Vinny
Cano was extended.
Yankeepatriot
Ah yes him too
Sue_See_Yo
Gardner was extended.
Chicks Dig the Longball
So I guess the consensus is, Yanks do it a lot.
southbeachbully
Good news. All this kid needs to do is stay healthy and add another pitch to his arsenal. I’m drooling over the idea of Mo working with him to learn to throw (said in his soft accented voice) “the cudder”.
I think Hicks and Judge should be up next. Sanchez follows if he has a turn around 2019. Andujar and Torres can wait another couple of years.
Yankeepatriot
Pedro was working with sevy’s Changeup last off season and it was paying off. He just took some bumps in the second half but he’s still learning and really young
VABlitz
I’m hoping his new diet of laying off the tostones pays dividends with his second half.
sadosfan
I bought a whole pizza for the family and he walked by and stole a slice. #neveragin#pizzatheif
jd396
#misspelledhashtags
sadosfan
Lol
pinstripes17
learn how to spell you moron
Chicks Dig the Longball
Never a gin? Seems like he’s a beer drinker
dust44
Piece #1 and arguably the most important of the young core done. Next year I c the Judge extension coming with similar length. Arb+1/2. If Sanchez comes in and puts last season behind him and gets closer to his previous years numbers he’s the third piece. Torres and Andujar r still cost certain for 2 more seasons before they become 4/5th pieces of the puzzle.
jdgoat
Nice deal. He gets security in case of injury and they probably got around 10 million in savings over the course of those arb years.
jdgoat
Wait maybe not quite that much
Topshelf Nick
I like the trend of the last couple days where clubs sign extensions that seems bargains and offer the players some stability within the team that drafted them instead of going through the damaging process of arbitration. Maybe its a sign of things to come and that will prevent players reaching FA too young and having a wide gap between what they want/deserve vs what the teams are willing to offer
bobtillman
Obviously the players are scared to death that the Free Agent freeze is going to continue, at least until a new CBA. Like Mike Lowell and Ron Darling (two guys who think seriously about these things), said last night, this year it’s a 100 guys without a deal; next year, it will be 200. It isn’t a Bryce Harper market; it’s a Derick Dietrich market.
So they’re grabbing it while they can. It gives the player a certain security; it gives the team cost certainty, crucial for their bank loans, etc.
Compensation as a function of revenue has gone down the past couple of years; it’s about to nosedive.
sethesq
Thank GOD BoreAss isn’t his agent
jdgoat
What does that have to do with anything? They got one extra control year for probably 20 or so million. Not exactly a discount or anything.
Prospectnvstr
The #’s that they agreed to is VERY relevant. Scotty B. wouldn’t have agreed to such a FAIR wage. He’d try to muscle top dollar. That’s what sethesq was referring to.
Juicemane 2019
Alex Cobb did better
JFactor
Alex Cobb was a free agent
Juicemane 2019
umm right…dude its alex cobb. But you’re a fan of the team that just gave Miller 45 milion so…
petrie000
That whizzing sound you just heard was the point going over your head at alarming speed
Houston We Have A Solution
I guess watching the free agent market the last 2 years players seem to want to take guarantees now rather than 50/50 chances later.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I was just wondering if this will be the new normal, at least until the CBA is overhauled. As it stands, the free agent market doesn’t seem to be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that it was a few years back. Teams are taking this “risk” in advance; in today’s climate, even if the Yankees had to eat this entire contract, it’s nowhere near the disaster of, say, Ellsbury. As the situation currently sits, it’s very much in the team’s overall interests to risk these signings, and on the overall probably far less lucrative for the players. The next CBA could well be a negotiating nightmare.
hiflyer000
It is far less risky for a team to overpay a guy in their 20’s than it is in their 30’s. The track record isn’t there, but they have a much better chance of getting better as they move through their prime as opposed to their decline. I think this is probably going to be more of the new normal going forward (unless the CBA gets massively overhauled, which I doubt).
bigstein09
Heyman way off the mark again.
cspaced25 2
Good move now let’s keep it going with some of the other core guys. Judge, Torres, Andujar etc
david klein
Lol, Andujar dude can’t play defense and is a low obp guy.
dimelotitony
Andujar was not even supposed to be in the big leagues last year he is young with 1 year experience and has been working with Adrian Beltre on his defense from footing and throwing motions.
If every team gives up on a player one year after showcasing then those same Gm’s will be out of the game completely you can’t judge on 1 season he has room for improvement but his bat is Major League ready already.
Whom you trust more right now Andujar to continue to show improvement or Bird whom has all the talent on the wall but just can’t stay healthy and does not have that killer instinct to want to take that job?
infield fly 2
Andujar clearly the better player at this point! Not even close!
cspaced25 2
Yes let’s not look to keep a 23 year old rookie of the year runner up who can mash. There’s clearly no chance he can improve his defense. He’s a lost cause. You must be a Sox fan.
timm-2
lol ….
how dare you try to throw logic at yankee hating melonheads!
end sarcasm
david klein
I never said get rid of him just move him to first and no need to rush to extend him when he has six years of control. Oh and guys as bad as he is defensively at third never become good defenders at third
david klein
This is the type of deal the Mets should offer Syndergaard as Nola and Severino are comparable pitchers.
fs54
I would think Syndergaard has a higher ceiling and closer to FA so might need more to lock him up.
honey nut ichiros
Great deal for the Yanks. I like it.
infield fly 2
Seems like a steal for Yanks!
jorge-al
Love this
JFactor
Okay, the Cards have got to do this with Flaherty, Mikolas, etc as soon as possible before the MLBPA starts fighting against these deals
ullnvrknw
Now lock in Harper for 7 years 224 million. Trade Stanton and ellsbury to SF for samardzija and Shaw and let’s go win this thing
ColossusOfClout
Stanton has a NTC and he refused a move to SF previously.
JFactor
So if Stanton wouldn’t waive his NTC to go to San Francisco last year, why would he this year? They aren’t trading Stanton anywhere anyway, he was their Harper signing last year
Quacktastic_Duck
Dude… what? Why would SF take on two monster contracts for no reason? For that price they’d be better off just signing Harper themselves to their own 300m/10 yr deal.
ullnvrknw
Because we’re taking their sht contract in samardzija. Stanton contract is a bargain these days
petrie000
They’re still better off just paying Harper and not wasting a roster spot on Ellsbury.
If Samardzija has even a halfway decent first half, they can unload him for a far better deal
You’re not doing them a real great favor by simply swapping the name of the brick around their neck…
Chicks Dig the Longball
It’s post like that that make me think the should change the name from “Trade Rumors” to “Trades that are dumb”
holecamels35
Teams have now just given up on trying to sign the overpriced FA’s and will work on extending their own guys instead, smart for them.
dimelotitony
It’s going to be interesting if Harper/Machado remain unsigned past spring training as a lot of these clubs are awaiting their decisions before the other free agents are even given a thought, if i’m those players that are being held up right now because of Machado/Harper I would have my Agent reach out to clubs now and start interacting with them and what it would take to sign with them right now.
For the clubs interested in Machado/Harper can those imagine if these clubs start putting an emphasis on a deadline or they would move on this will put more pressure on both agents to get something done asap as they are not going to get what originally they though they would have.
southbeachbully
I can’t see a scenario where Harper, Manny, Keuchel or Gonzales are still unsigned in March. They would be idiots to do so. Ironically, 3 of the 4 are Boras clients.
basebaIl1600
Undoubtedly one of the best in the game right now, but behind him and Paxton, rotation still needs work.
Chasefor28
Lol… Tanaka, Happ, CC is a great 3-5.. one of the better in baseball.
Scrap1ron
Luis will never have to worry about money again.
dimelotitony
Such is the state of the CBA that screwed these young talents into now looking to secure a future for themselves and their family. Same like for the minor leaguers they need to finally be taken care of but the guys like Justin Verlander talking smack and b.s. when they themselves sold out these very young superstars for the sake of them pocketing more money now all of a sudden these veteran ballplayers care about the young stars and the lack of money they are making. Maybe on the next CBA they will take care of those tooling in the minors and take care of the young ballplayers and not make it about themselves like they did in the prior CBA. Now it’s time to put what is in good Faith to protect all ballplayers no matter the number of years they have put forth towards the game.
MaysGuy24
This is a product of the owners finally getting it through to the agents they will not give long term terrible deals. Machado, Harper, Keuchel, Kimbrel, all still unsigned because they are demanding a bad contract. It won’t happen anymore and owners are starting to reap the benefit in these early renewals that the Rays were doing a few years back. Gone are he days of Arod Pujols and Stanton deals.
timewalk42
Let’s hope he can maintain a high level the guy is so up and down every other year
VABlitz
Up & Down every other year? With the exception of his second year in the bigs, he has a sub 3.50 ERA the other 3 seasons. Great numbers. His problem is August & September.
PopeMarley
The time when they needed him the most.
Solar Flare
Love the deal!
infield fly 2
Seems very favorable for the Yankees if he stays healthy an effective!
jd396
What needs to happen is a reform of the journey from 0.000 to 6.000. If players could cash in at “market value” when they’re actually producing at a high level it would balance things out.
Lots of 3-6 year players are terribly underpaid, and lots of 6+ players are terribly overpaid. If baseball had a more structured 0-3 year system and restricted FA rather than arbitration before, the money would flow where it’s most deserved. Add some kind of franchise tag system that lets teams pay out the wazoo to guarantee retaining their home grown superstar… it could work.
After 3.000, players are restricted FA and can seek deals from other teams, but their team can match the offer to retain them. This way, mid grade players can seek out opportunities and teams will need to either use and pay players commensurate with what they’re worth, or let them go somewhere that will.
It wouldn’t even take particularly huge changes to make a logical floor system (that, yes, would have a cap element to it) that will maintain demand for the middle of the FA market without negatively affecting the max earning potential of the best players.
And, someone’s gotta say it. If there was a way to get an elite player on your team for $35m/yr where you’re not stuck paying $35m/yr for him to sit in a jacuzzi on the DL most of the year 9 years later, we wouldn’t be talking about an icy market. The horrible back end of FA deals is what’s keeping teams from signing deals like we saw all the time not too long ago. Just go google lists of worst MLB contracts and it’s pretty evident why this stuff was never sustainable for the long term.
James1955
There are no perfect solutions. Everything has it’s drawbacks. No rules can stop market adjustments. With a salary floor you get deadweight contracts. The players don’t want restricted free agency. The CBT is a salary cap.
jd396
The only one that wants to stop market adjustments right now is Tony Clark.
When the union is whining about how many perfectly good unsigned players there are, the question has to be why that is. The stock answer is typically platitudes about greedy owners or what not but the fact of the matter is analytics and the sad pre-FA pay scale for the vast majority of players make it far more economical to find mid range talent everywhere except established FA. No one thing is going to “fix” it all but when you want different results you alter the formula. If the goal is to have a better distribution of salary money amongst the players, reform pre-FA pay and institute some form of a floor to steer the market in that direction. The union and the league were content with a status quo in which many great young players are obscenely underpaid and many lousy old players are obscenely overpaid. The cost of mediocrity in FA was high enough that teams leaned on analytics, drafting and development, shrewd trades, and other avenues to fill out rosters rather than FA. Now most of the league has caught on and free agency went from a jackpot waiting to happen to a hole where mid range players go to die. I’m guessing most of us can agree that baseball would be better off overall finding a happy medium somewhere between the glory days of FA and the current ice age of FA.
But… the CBT? Most of the league has never even come close to worrying about the CBT, and probably never will. Keeping the top slice of teams from blowing the rest of the league out of the water like a carrier battle group going up against a hipster in a kayak isn’t a salary cap.
its_happening
For those talking about Severino’s postseason career, check this out:
5.40 ERA with 2 WHIP in LDS
10.45 ERA with 2.32 WHIP in 2 starts in LCS
12.27 ERA with 2.73 WHIP in LDS the following year
CC Sabathia’s postseason performances with Cleveland and Milwaukee before signing with the Yankees and winning a World Series in 2009. People were worried he was a playoff choker back then. He was terrific during that run.
Severino has filthy stuff. He can get hot in October and carry a team. He can be that good. This deal is great for both sides, potentially even better for the Yankees if Severino keeps getting better and stays healthy.
Ryan W
Yankees are thrilled!
lowtalker1
Machado rumor
Apparently he feels the offers he got are insulting
James1955
Machado can chose another line of work. LOL
Bruin1012
This seems to be a solid signing. I would expect young pitchers to be more willing to this sort of thing then good young position players. Pitchers are much more injury prone makes sense to give up a some for more security.
klarmore11
The word then cannot be placed between two commas. I think you mean to use “therefore”. That fits the sentence much better. When talking about the Yankees payroll.
Oxford Karma
Dear Mets,
When you have a homegrown ace, you should lock him up before he wins a CY Young.
Signed,
Logical Teams Everywhere
bravesfan
Unlike position players, I always say pitchers should take the money when it’s offered to them. Especially at a young age. With the assumption that’s it’s a reasonable offer. The injury and success rate are much different than hitters. You can bank on yourself all day as a hitter. But as a pitcher the world can be going great and that arms snaps and you are never the same.
Begamin
nice
PopeMarley
Yankees will never win it all until they get a true lockdown ace.
Moneyballer
I would argue that Severino is that guy. At just 25, sky is the limit! He certaintly has the stuff to be a true lockdown ace!
fitsiqis65
seve is great and this deal is a no brainer. but the rotation lacks a lock down proven 1…. its that simple. seve is not yet sale, verlander degroom, etc…
plus all the folks here who think happ and CC are decent are in a for a rude awakening…..
PopeMarley
Happ , CC, and certainly Paxton have issues of giving them enough innings.
impactrookies
I agree, Severino is not a finished product yet. Very very unfair to want him to be in the same class as Sale, DeGrom but can he get there? YES! (Network)
Yankeepatriot
On a FaceTime chat severino stated that he would take a pay cut to get manny to the Bronx. It’s on YouTube if anyone wants to see it. A day later he signs this team frequently extension. Doesn’t mean he is coming to the Bronx but it is interesting lol
pinballwizard1969
The way I see it, $40MM guaranteed for 4 yrs to Severino versus the 4 yrs/$68MM Eovaldi got from the Red Sox. Give me the Severino deal every day of the week. Before anyone says anything I realize it’s not an apples to apples comparison, one player was arbitration eligible, one a FA. I’m merely comparing dollars and yrs to dollars and yrs.
slider32
Great move for both Sevy and Yanks, he got set for life money and Yanks got one of their top young players at a good price. Next up for Cashman is signing Didi , Betances, and Hicks next year.
ChiSoxCity
A staff ace making $4M in 2019 is a gift.
Moneyballer
This deal looks great compared to what lesser arms cost in free agency. 10 mil on a lockdown rotation piece is a value for a club like the Yankees. Nice to know Severino put in the work this offseason, when he’s on – cy young caliber stuff!
impactrookies
Yankees fans are bitter cuz he failed in the postseason but you are right – for a good part of 2018 he was one of the best pitchers in baseball.
stansfield123
The tiniest extension they could possibly hand out, but still, it’s something. They rarely even do this much.
Hope they give bigger extensions to some of their other young talent. It would be nice to have a team that stays basically the same, year after year. It’s rare these days, and the Yankees are in a position to do it with so many really young, high skill players.
It’s also the only way to build a dynasty. If you keep changing the roster, you’re gonna have some good years, but you’ll also have bad ones.
bradthebluefish
Eliminate team caps and there won’t be a work stoppage in 2021. Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers are willing to spend, but not when there’s huge penalties in spending beyond the cap.
slider32
I think things are changing with the new metrics, the new GM’s aren’t going for the long term contracts. Harper and Machado will be a good test case for the future. Not too many players are free agents at 26, I see more players signing contracts like Nola and Sevy.
ChiSoxCity
First of all, there are no “team” caps in the MLB. There is a luxury tax, and it IS needed. Second, Pro baseball should not be a contest to see who can spend the most money, and siphoning up elite talent from the rest of the league. It IS supposed to be COMPETITIVE.
Mikel Grady
1-2 6.26 lifetime postseason. Meh
BrewCrew1302
The Nola effect. good sign by both the Phillies and the Yankees. Two young arms that are only going to get better. I like Nola more and think hes going to have a better career, but Severino is legit as well.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It’s a shame the Cubs didnt get Severino when they got Chapman. Billy McKinney and glayber Torres and 2 throw ins for Chapman and severino. That would have been a much better trade. Then 1. The Cubs front over spend on a trade for Quintana (whose been decent but not great. If he can do what he did vs the Orioles in his Cubs debut 4 out of 5 times. It was worth the trade of eloy. For now eloy is just a prospect with a ton of upside. Theres no guarantee he’ll tear It up.
ChiSoxCity
The Cubs got absolutely fleeced in that trade with for Chapman. The fact that he went back to NY after three months just made it worse.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The Cubs players theo jed Owners staff and fans would gladly trade a world series championship over an overpaid and over use of Chapman.
ChiSoxCity
So you’re saying the Cubs did it out of desperation? That makes the trade look even worse. Theo could have negotiated better, or opted for a different player and achieved the same result.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
They weren’t desperate at all. The Yankees wanted schawaber. In all reality the Cubs should have gotten Andrew Miller and Chapman for Torres. Cashman is ignorant and said no.
petrie000
Cubs won a world series and still don’t need a shortstop
Your standard for getting fleeced is as weird as your standards for accomplishments….
ChiSoxCity
Sure… who needs another all-star infielder on a rookie contract? Nobody has lower standards than a Cubbie-fan. “We won a WS three years ago, so…” lmao.
petrie000
the starting SS going into next season happens to be the MVP runner up from last season, and he’s being replaced as the regular 2b by their second best hitter from last season. So frankly Torres would be more of a luxury than a need right now… and they still have that trophy that you lose so much sleep over.
i mean, i know you don’t actually know anything about the Cubs, you just make up what you wish was true and state it as fact… but can you try and make it at least difficult to discredit you once in a while?
xabial
Cubs’ WS more recent. Nearly decade between last WS, even so — forward to today: Cubs win.
Cubs make playoffs every year. Even if choke… Perennial contenders’, unlike the White Sox, currently a perennial “tankthenders”
Cubs turned tank years into core guys and ring
If NO FA, then tankathon.com 2019? 😉
xabial
Cubs are ahead in the Chicago rivalry…
But both franchises are executing their visions Maybe theyre at different rebuild timetables?
Good luck to you both.
petrie000
There is no rivalry
White Sox fans hate the Cubs, the Cubs fans hate the Cardinals and wonder why the Sox fans are bothering us…
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
The Cubs and white Sox are hardly a rivalry. Michael Bennett vs AJ Pierzynski was great though.