7:56pm: “The Yankees might not be enamored enough with Bumgarner to pay the necessary price,” MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand writes. The potential return of Severino could also impact the Yankees’ deadline plans, though as one executive points out, it wouldn’t be surprising if Severino has some rust after his long layoff, so the Yankees might not have enough time before the deadline to evaluate if they can rely on him to be the rotation help they need.
11:28am: The Yankees are known to be looking into starting pitching options, and their explorations have included two of the arms most likely to be moved before the July 31st trade deadline. According to the New York Post’s Ken Davidoff, the Yankees have been in touch with the Blue Jays about right-hander Marcus Stroman, and have also had scouts watching Madison Bumgarner’s outings for the Giants.
Virtually every aspect of the Yankees’ roster has been hit hard with injuries this season, with the rotation being no exception. Luis Severino has yet to pitch this season and won’t be back until after the All-Star break, while James Paxton, C.C. Sabathia, and (just today) Domingo German have all spent time on the injured list. Between these issues and some struggles at the back of their bullpen, Davidoff figures that the Yankees will prioritize pitching upgrades as the deadline approaches.
To this end, New York has undoubtedly done some preliminary evaluation (whether it’s scouting or direct conversations with rival front offices) about many pitchers beyond just Stroman and Bumgarner. It remains to be seen if the Yankees’ inquiries represent due diligence or a genuinely strong interest, though these two pitchers naturally stand out due to their high-profile nature, and each would come with some interesting factors to consider before any deal is completed.
Stroman has bounced back nicely this season following an injury-plagued down year in 2018, and isn’t a rental piece, as he is under team control through the 2020 season. While he’ll be in line for an arbitration raise on his $7.4MM salary for this season, Stroman will still bring a ton of value to any rotation if he keeps pitching at his current level. If Stroman did end up in the pinstripes, this extra year of control would make him a natural candidate to replace the retiring Sabathia in next season’s rotation, and thus the Yankees would have one less item to address on their offseason to-do list.
That said, Toronto will demand a big return for Stroman’s services. MLBTR’s Connor Byrne recently explored the Stroman trade market, with the Yankees cited as one of a whopping 22 teams who could be plausible fits for the right-hander — Stroman’s extra year of control makes him a target even for clubs like the White Sox, Diamondbacks, or Reds, who might not be contenders this season but are looking ahead to 2020.
Though the Blue Jays and Yankees are division rivals, the two teams combined for a high-profile pitching swap last summer when J.A. Happ was dealt to New York for Brandon Drury and Billy McKinney. Since Happ was a pending free agent at the time of that trade, and is over eight and a half years older than Stroman, the Jays figure to ask for quite a bit more from the Yankees in trade talks this summer.
Bumgarner’s situation is quite a bit different, as the former World Series MVP is a pure rental, headed to free agency after the season. Many of the same teams looking to acquire Stroman will also be in the hunt for Bumgarner (as Connor outlined in another post), though even with only two-plus months and potential postseason innings on offer, the Giants are likely to aim high in their trade demands. With so many of their other high-priced veterans struggling, battling injuries, or limited by full or partial no-trade clauses, Bumgarner represents San Francisco’s best chance of adding some solid prospects as the team looks to get younger.
Bumgarner himself has some no-trade protection, with the ability to block trades to eight teams. The Yankees are one of the teams on that list, though this doesn’t mean that the southpaw would necessarily reject a potential trade to the Bronx, but rather that Bumgarner was simply giving himself some extra leverage (perhaps in the form of a cash bonus to waive his clause) in the event that a trade offer emerged from one of those eight clubs.
I would like to see them pursue Matthew Boyd.
What is your proposed offer for Boyd? Please do not include Frazier in any offer…
Dean Anna and Stephen Drew for the entire Tigers organization minus Mahtook if he is somehow still there
Why are you opposed to Frazier being in a package? The kid looks really good and was a top 50 prospect. He needs to get away from the Yankees so he can get a regular starting job unless he’s convinced them to keep him the starter with his performance in absence of Hicks and Stanton this year.
Nothing against Frazier but the Tigers are looking for a hitter still in the minors who can come up mid season next year so basically 7 yrs of control. Frazier will almost be a free agent when the Tigers are ready to roll again.
I dont know that that’s true. The ETA for Mize, Manning, Perez and Paredes are all set to 2020. Having someone who is a little older, already productive and can lead the way is a good thing.
in this era of cheap extentions, it would hardly be an issue. and theyll certianly be contending before he is a free agent.
Possibly just starting to be a contender when Frazier is close to free agency but so would Boyd as well but looking for a player(s) whose service time is more at the early stages as the Tigers start to contend is preferred.
Yeah, Frazier is a great player.. He’s hitting a home run every 12 at bats. and driving in runs every 4..12 at bats.. Yeah, he had a really bad day in RF, but his future is in left.
He helped put the Yankees in 1st place. So why are people so eager to dump a potential all-star for aging pitchers on the downslide?
Matt Boyd is an aging pitcher on the downside? Lol wouldn’t that be true of every pitcher in that case
Because pitching is what needed to win the World Series and outfielders are a dime a dozen
Any two of Loaisiga, Abreu and García.
Any Boyd trade with NY starts with Florial.
Florial Loaisiga and Garcia for Boyd is my offer
Give me Cabello instead of Garcia and we have a deal
I’m a Tiger fan so we are on the same side on this trade lol
Yeah, okay. They weren’t interested in Keuchel, but they’re gonna go after Boyd.
The Yankees need a big time starter for the post season. That’s what they’re gonna be after. Bumgarner is a good candidate, but there are other possibilities as well.
Bumgarner may not be that good in the playoffs anymore. Sure he was great in ‘16, but he was also good in the regular season in ‘16
Everyone was ready to write of Verlander then he got traded to a contender and he’s arguably been one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball sense
Yankees just showing interest still. Interest is not news worthy. I show interest in Cindy Crawford but it is only news when I make move and shock fans.
Please keep me updated on any pending moves toward Cindy Crawford. I understand she is older now, but I still think she’s demand a considerable return.
Because Mad Bum isn’t that good anymore. Giants fans seem to want more because of what he did in the playoffs when he had elite stuff. That is no longer the case. In fact, I’d be shocked if they got a single top 100 prospect for him.
He’s never had elite stuff. Where have you been the last ten years? And as far as what Giants fans want, we’d rather he stayed.
Stroman for Loaisiga and D Garcia looks like a potential win-win trade for both team?
If he were to be traded there, it’d almost be guaranteed that Loaisiga is part of the return. I don’t think they’d be able to match up if he weren’t.
JD you’re a reasonable Blue Jays fan. So what do you think a matchup offer with Stroman would look like?
Basically just a MLB ready pitcher is the main piece. Everything else is probably secondary.
Loasiga, King, and and a couple A players.
Why? The Jays ought to be after the best player period. Loaisaga is likely a reliever and oft injured. Pass
Not enough
I’ve been saying since last year Bumgarner will end up with the Yankees. Doubt if SF will get elite prospects but good ones.
NY doesn’t have any top 50 prospects right now but they do have some good ones so a trade will likely go down. I can bet Frazier will be part of the trade since he has power which the giants lack but he will be a throw in with one of their pitching prospects.
I think Bums value isn’t all that high anyways. He’s a rental in the midst of another fairly mediocre year. The only way they’d have to give up something of that quality is if there’s a bidding war and they really want him.
Bum stats are not that bad. He is no longer a ace but more of a #3 starter. There will be some kind of a bidding war for him. Frazier is looking more like a average outfielder.no longer a super star prospect. that is why they could package a pitching prospect which NY have a few in the low minors and Frazier to get him.
We need an ace to solidify to rotation. Boyd, Scherrzer, Minor types. I think we should trade Frazier, Andujar and someone else and we have a deal
Mad Bum isn’t worth that much talent.
Giants can keep him, at those prices.
Keep Frazier. Pass on Mad Bum.
No team in this league is going to consider a top 50 prospect for Mad Bum, so this really doesn’t matter.
How would you know?
Could Frazier be going north?
Stroman’s ego won’t last in NY
I agree. Stroman is way too sensitive to handle the NY media.
Stroman has a huge chip on his shoulder, like most Yanks fans. He would fit in great.
When people from NY won’t last in New York
Stroman is from New York. And im sure he will handle it just fine, he seems to thrive on that kind of stuff
Life long Giants fan here. Bumgarner is still very very good. Although no longer 2010, 2012, 2014 Bumgarner, he’ll still be a great addition to any team looking to make a run in October.
I’m looking forward to watching Bumgarner pitch again this postseason as I predict he will still be a absolute beast. Whichever team gets him won’t regret it. Other teams that pass however, will.
He deserves a team with an actual offense that will score some runs. He’s also been the most underpaid starting pitcher, especially with his accomplishments. Still has never complained about his salary, makes me respect him even more.
Go get Bum Yankees. You won’t regret it. Will Smith is a beast too FYI. Probably don’t need him though.
I’d take Smith too. Betances had a setback, Green is lost and Holder has been less effective than last year.
I won’t be shocked if he’s with somebody else, Brew Crew or Philly make more sense. Philly needs a lefty in the rotation, and the yankees already have like 3. Brewers need an ace as well.
Smith has been the best closer of this season. Yes he dont have the lead in saves, he cant help the giants cant score runs, but hes leading or in top of all categories..
Hand has been lights out.
How is he better than Greene?
Hand, Greene, Yates, and Chapman all have better stats than Smith to name a few.
Stats provided are W-L Saves, Innings pitched, strikeouts, batting average against, ERA, WHIP
Yates 0-2 23 saves 28 IP 48 K .167 ave. 0.96 era 0,86 whip
Hand 2-2 19 saves 27.2 IP 40 K .149 ave 0.98 era 0.76 whip
Greene 0-2 19 saves 26 IP 28 K .149 ave 1.04 era 0.81 whip
Chapman 1-1 18 saves 25.2 IP 35 K .174 ave. 1.40 era 0.94 whip
Smith 1-0 14 saves 24.2 IP 35 K .155 ave 2.19 era 0.73 whip
I don’t watch a lot of Padres baseball but I have a decent knowledge of every team in the MLB. I was wondering… wouldn’t it be worth it to possibly sell Yates. They are a young team and Yates is 32. Sell him at a high price considering he’ll be the best on the market. If you don’t get what you want then let it be, but I think they could for sure add some nice prospects for him…. thoughts?
We have Wingenter who can temporarily fill in. Or Castillo who should be back soon. I agree, depending on the return, but shouldn’t we wait until we are completely out of wild card contention?
In this case the Giants might want to seperate the family.The Braves should be wise and heavily consider Smith.
What would it take for the Yankees to get just Smith?
Loasigia and German and Frazier.
Extreme over pay for bum. Even for stroman Frazier and lasagna would be slight over pay but barely so it’s probably fair .
Who would you give then?
I don’t want bum. For stroman I’d give lasagna, Abreu and Estrada but I’d probably have to settle for Frazier and Lasanga but you’d have to include Giles
Will never happen. Giles is borderline elite closer with another year of control. Los and fraz for stroman could be possible, with a lotto ticket. Giles will go to an NL team and fetch pitching prospects.
I still think los and fraz is over pay. Maybe abrue instead of los but I actually think abreu will untapped his potential in a year or two. Maybe fraz and Nelson, and Medina
To be honest Frazier for stroman is practically fair. He’s on the brink of all star offensive production. the most in addition should really be someone like Medina
Haha Giles was basically given away by Houston he was so bad
I doubt you can even break a top 100 prospect or MLB ready starter for Mad Bum. And no, not only is he not “very, very good,” he’s a pretty average #3 on a good at this point.
Good team
Can’t find a bigger competitor than Bumgarner. When it counts, he’s the man. Makes me think the Yanks will go for Stroman, lol.
They will go for both but wind up with none of them.
Why they didn’t send GIo G to the MLB and let Dallas walk for another million?
What makes you believe this team is going to spend any money what so ever?
Love these “Yankees have shown interest” articles. How much actual interest did they show in Corbin?
Hal’s main interest is in his financial statements. If the Yanks really like a player, they’ll make a slightly below market offer and won’t move from that number.
No reason to change if their Revenue keeps climbing.
I agree. Hate to see him go, but the Giants will be complete garbage for next few years. Lacking in talent and athleticism. Their last GM wrecked the Giants with horrible contracts. Brandon Crawford checked out completely after getting his money. Dude looks out of shape and can’t hit. Pretty much the entire team can’t hit.
No reason to waste Bum’s remaining years and competitive spirit. I think he’s got another postseason miracle in him.
Bum getting traded will send shockwaves throughout MLB. I can’t wait to see it even though the Giants will always be my team.
Bum deserves a fresh start.
I think the Yankees don’t get either one and end up getting another Happ level guy. A decent pitcher but one that’s not good enough to really be a difference maker like MadBum.
It’s amazing how similar the stat lines of Happ and Bumgarner are despite the fact that Bum gets to pitch in the best pitcher’s park in baseball and Happ pitches in the NY bandbox.
Enough of this Bumgarner is elite crap. He’s not. He hasn’t been recently. He won’t be tomorrow or the day after that.
Mark, please don’t feed the monkeys.
You sure took the biggest bite..Bubbles
Shouldn’t have let Gio walk away.
Because the Yankees don’t have enough guys on the IL?
Stroman is heading to ST Louis. They have the prospect capital and are working hard to get it done.
O’Neill,Knizer and so on for Stroman,Giles?
You have to return at least one top 100 pitcher with O’Neil to make it worth it.
Carlson and Knizer for Stroman is my guess
If Dylan Carlson or Elehuris Montero aren’t involved they should walk
Reyes and a 2nd prospect. Maybe have to take Gyorko’s contract back too.
I’ve been saying this forever. I couldn’t agree more with you!
If Bum and Stro are really out there get everything–I mean really at least two prime players and have them pay every penny of Bum’s remaining salary. Cashman will pay if the G men hold out. Cashman is salivating to think the Yanks might get an All Star pitcher and a potential pinch hitter, in Bum,—anything less than the Creme de la creme and more should cause a revolt in San Fran or Toronto.
You’ve got two outstanding pitchers on the market that competing teams don’t have to spend money on development for–time to redeem properly on your investment.
A proud Red Sox fan and winner of 4 World Series Championships this Century.
What would the package be for bum tho. That’s the issue here the two sides need to find common ground in terms of value
I have a really hard time believing Stroman ends up a Yankee, it just seems so much more likely that Bumgarner ends up in pinstripes given New York’s attraction to big names, and MadBum likely will be the biggest of them all at this year’s deadline.
Neither
Why didn’t the Yankees send Gio to the MLB and why let Dalls walk for another million.
What makes you think this team is going to take on any more money? They showed their true colors this past off season when all the stuff should have been addressed.
A .200 hitting LF
a crippled Cc
a 34 yr old Happ
and they go with G Bird?
Gio is on the il. Not much help there
I wonder what the Giants would want for Smith because the Braves really need that kind of door closer. Normally I would say the Giants wont get a top 100 prospect for a relief pitcher that is going to give you 30 innings for the year and go into free agency but the market is really desperate. This is a good time for the Giants to sell their bullpen.
Pitching prospects. Give us a decent one or two
“Virtually aspect of the Yankees’ roster has been hit hard with injuries this season, with the rotation being no exception.”
It would be really cool if all media, not just this site, went back to using an editor instead of “writer writes piece and immediately hits publish” – I cannot believe all media reacted to twitter like this, by killing off jobs people trained for, just because twitter is more instantaneous. I wish went back to hearing about trades only when the clubs announced them, and not some jerkoff on twitter guessing right and taking credit.
Love the writing here, btw, but it hurts this company when you guys do the write-to-post thing sans an editor.
“Virtually aspect” yours,
Strike Four
Downvote
And stop upvoting yourself already. Its so obvious.
No disrespect to Stroman, but I’m not sure i’d give up much for him if i’m the Yankees. He’s a middle of the rotation starter at best, and that’s something the Yankees have. To give up Frazier or Garcia would be a mistake imo. The Yankees don’t have a ton of impact trade assets. Most of the talent in their system is in the lower minors. If they make a move they need to make sure they play it wisely.
As for Madbum, he isn’t what he was but his name and post season pedigree will drive the cost up from what it maybe should be. I’d prefer Madbum to Stroman, all things being equal, but even here i’d be hesitant to overpay.
I wouldn’t include Garcia in a trade for either. The kid may never pan out but he’s flashing front of the rotation ability and I just don’t think it’s wise to trade that for a rental, or middling starter with an extra year of control. Were we talking vintage Madbum then you pay what you have to, but he’s clearly not that guy right now.
NY should trade Abreu instead of Garcia. Garcia stats show a quality starter. Abreu stats show a future reliever. His control stinks but Garcia is 3 years younger and has much more command on his pitches. Frazier
If the Yankees feel they can compete for the World Series this year then go get Madison Bumgarner. His value for October alone is well worth it. Madison will give always give you 100%. October October October that’s what matters.
You may have to overpay a little though. Other teams will/are definitely inquiring, therefore his value will rise.
I’d actually see if they’d take Jordan Montgomery and lasagna. I know both are on the shelf currently but Montgomery showed minimal 4th starter quite possible 3 . Lasagna has a ton of potential he just needs to progress there. another year at AAA when he comes back would do him wonders he’s had hardly any time there
So true. Overpaying for aging pitchers is a really dumb idea. Yankees should hang on to their prospects and young players, like Frazier, Garcia, etc.
Enjoy losing in the ALDS then
No doubt. What were the Astros thinking for example a couple years ago trading for old man Verlander for their playoff push.
Bumgarner and Verlander are worlds apart. That’s like comparing Randy Johnson to David Wells. Wells wasn’t a bad pitcher, but he sure as hell wasn’t Randy Johnson.
I remember when people thought verlander was washed up because he had a few bad seasons in a row
As a Jays fan I absolutely love hearing there could be 20+ teams interested in starters like Stroman. Supply and demand…the return will hopefully be enough to really get this rebuild moving.
As a Yankee fan I want no parts of Stroman and Bumgarner is just a rental. Making the move for a guy like Bauer sounds a lot better to me
I’d be okay with Bauer although he’s having a mediocre year but I wonder if the Yankees could get past his how he is with the media and social media as well. You think they make Frazier out to be non conforming they’d go crazy what he says. Although in my opinion there really is t anything wrong with having a few players expressing themselves even if it’s not how some think they should
I think Bauer would embrace New York and be a guy the fans can quickly get behind. I’m also not too worried about his performance so far this year. It seems like he’s just made a few mistakes here and there that have hurt him but overall he still looks sharp
I’d be happy with him. I think he’s so very well and perhaps the Indians not doing well is part of why he’s not. I also would like it because he’s one of the better younger pitchers who we could sign to an extension
It seems like he’s going to test the market no matter who he’s with at the end of next season but getting him for 2 postseason runs sounds good to me
Yeah Bauer has big upside in his abilities even with his down year currently. Stroman improves your rotation to get to the playoffs but a SP like Bauer IF he is on top of his game can be dominant in the playoffs and go toe to toe with anyone. I am a Tigers fan so I have seen it up close lol
Bumgarner made the 8 teams he would veto a trade to very clear. As far as I’m concerned any trade rumor about Bum and any team on that list is as good as garbage. He wants to play in SF. At the end of the day even if he gets traded I can see him coming right back to the bay lol
I completely agree that he will be a rental to any team and re-sign with the G-Men in the off season. He’s made it clear he would to be a Giant for life. He is the heart and soul of the team. Although, everyone should be expendable including Buster, Crawford, Belt, Melancon, and of course Holland and Derek Rodriguez. Lol
Why would he want to go back to SF? They will not be a playoff team for another 3 years. madbum wants to win not watch another 1-0 game loss go by. If he was a FA I would be bet money it would be for Atlanta on top of his list closer to home.
Because he’s loyal
his no trade clause includes contenders for a reason, and it’s very clever actually. he’s not getting traded to a team that isnt contending, and essentially gets to pick which of those 8 teams he wants to go to, unless MIN is interested.
Fool the fans once shame on Hal fool them twice shame on the fans….Hal has no desire to spend money on the team. The Boss had the Bronx Zoo, but Hal will be known for the Hal and Cashman Circus….who cares if we win….we have selfie stations for you at the Stadium!
Want no part of Bum. Between his diminished stuff and the transition to the small parks in the ALE, it’s a poor fit. There will be other, better options that don’t require paying a premium for the pitcher he was, not what he is now.
one of the best lefties in the league pal
You’re crazy. Bum is still the one I want pitching a must win game.
do you guys actually trust Adtkins to not Marty Janzen or Mike Sirotka this up?
not sure what you’re on about here… in Sirotka’s case, IIRC, he was selected in the draft with the pick immediately ahead of the Jay’s. They had no opportunity to get him.
Sirotka and Siroka are two different players
Translation: Would you like one of our over hyped garbage prospects or one of our broke down prospects?
Rule of thumb – Don’t trade with the Yankees (they look to screw you). If you must trade w Yankees only accept the guys they don’t want to trade (hint: their gigantic R&D staff have determined who can’t play and who can – they want to dump their junk bonds on you)
There is a lot of truth in your comment imo
Has this been building up inside you cotton?
Blue Jays cannot do what they did with Happ last year and neglect pitching. It is a must in a Stroman deal.
In my opinion Stroman is better than Paxson and should haul a touch more than what Seattle received. Stroman is AL East hardened which should not be overlooked when you mention Trevor Bauer’s name.
Hopefully NY’s presence only pushes the Cards, Astros, Padres and others to pursue Stroman harder. I don’t think the Yankees have the best possible return for Toronto.
Stroman might be a bit better than Paxton but he also has a half year less of control which equals out
Half a year won’t set him back all that much. Only thing that will set Stroman back is a month of mediocre to bad pitching. Nonetheless I do not believe the Yankees have the chips Toronto really wants (ie. Pitching). Jays need it, Yanks don’t have the quality arms in the farm.
Garcia is as good as any right hander not named mize
He’s so good he’s not even the #1 pitching prospect in the system. Numbers-wise he’s pretty good. But clearly some people aren’t all that high on him.
lol you’re looking at dated rankings that were put out in the beginning of the year. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Watch him pitch then get back to me.
Sorry, I just destroyed you below. You opened the door to your own stupidity. You are an excuse-machine.
Lol what you say about lasanga is fair, I think he just needs a year at AAA but Garcia is on another level. I’m glad you don’t think Garcia is. I pray they don’t trade him. his strikeout rates are at the top in baseball. He’s one of the youngest players in AA and tearing it up.
Loaisiga and D Garcia for Stroman would be a good trade for Toronto imo
Lasagna, abreu and Estrada . Estrada is a really good ss/2b. getting better every year offensively minus the year he got shot.
Estrada is a future utility player imo. I would hold out for Loaisiga and Garcia and move on to another offer if the Yankees scoff.
Only way they get Garcia is if Giles is included. Garcia in my opinion is the most untouchable prospect. He actually reminds me of stroman. if need be I’d add on the choice of cabello or pereira, I’d rather not but I think that would make the offer much more appealing
If I am Toronto I do not include Giles in a Stroman deal unless an elite prospect is involved in which NYY does not have one imo.
So if I counter I would counter Stroman for Loaisiga,Abreu and Cabello…Though depending on the other offers might hold out for my ask ofLoaisiga and Garcia while negotiating with other teams.
you are highly over valuing Giles. he’s been horrible for years half a year of elite production doesn’t get you an elite prospect. the only time relievers got an elite prospect is Chapman and miller and that was only because of the market and the Cubs and Indians hadn’t won a World Series in over 150 years combined. It was the final piece to a championship team
And the both of you are overvaluing Loaisiga. There is a reason he’s not in the majors already and why he’s struggling in AAA. Hard pass on that Stroman trade idea. If Loaisiga is the best the team can do in a trade with Stroman then they may as well extend Stroman. Loaisiga ain’t the answer.
What are you talking about he’s hurt now. He’s had a few games in AAA. It has nothing to do with him not being able to handle it. He just needs to be able to have a workload .
A 25-year old who can’t dominate AA or AAA or hack it in the big leagues is a hard NO. Stop making excuses for the mediocre. Loaisiga can be traded for another fake prospect, Anthony Alford. THAT would be fair trade with the Yankees.
What are you talking about he didn’t pitch in AA this year. He only pitched 2 games in AAA. He was in rookie ball in 2017. Please do your research. You have no clue about any of the yankee players
Do I need to do your work for you? Wow….
2018 he pitched in AA as a 23 turning 24 year old and did not dominate. He was so-so. Nothing to brag about. YOU said that I implied he pitched in AA this season. I did nothing of the kind. You made an assumption.
2018 and 2019 he didn’t perform well in the majors. We’re ready for your excuse for that.
And 2019 he’s done nothing in 2 starts in AAA.
Plus he can’t seem to stay healthy or has pitched 90 innings in a season. So a team should take an underachieving pitcher with little durability? Yeah, sign me up!
You are delusional. Please learn to read.
I know his history. like I said he just needs to get innings under his belt. he is a risk yes but considering he started in rookie ball in 2018 yeah he did okay. he was to start at AAA this year. you can’t judge him on 2 outings. if you want to discredit him based on health that’s fair but if I was to include him in the trade I’d also include another of value. he’s not your normal prospect. If you read my other posts I did admit I’d probably have to have Frazier be the headliner I only said another trade idea with him as what I’d prefer but while doing so I’d also include other prospects worth more as secondary pieces than I would with Frazier as the headliner
A lot of real good pitchers struggled to start their MLB career. Severino,Verlander,Scherzer etc…
Now I am not saying he is an ace but the eyeball test sees a potential #3SP
How do people not understand how good Giles has been for most of his career
I understand all that. However, that’s not a guy I would want back in a trade. Deivi is pitching well, no doubt. The Blue Jays need guys prepared to step into the rotation August 1st. Deivi would goes to AAA if he were to be traded to Toronto. That is how dire the Jays rotation is at this point.
Didn’t mean to be disrespectful, I apologize. Looking at the landscape of MLB contenders, their needs and what they have, I’d rather see Toronto negotiate with other teams before the Yankees. That said, nobody’s negotiating with Boston. Red Sox could use Stroman and they don’t have the pieces to get him.
It’s just Jays apologists making excuses ahead of when Atkins trades him for nothing but a bag of balls… how many AAA ceiling type players do Shapkins want on this team? Drury, McKinney, Grichuk, Teoscar Hernandez, Jackson, Hudson, Richard, etc… and now they’re in charge of trading actual MLB caliber players like Stroman, Sanchez, Giles and Smoak and they would consider trading them to a contender in their own division? Yankees prospects are also overhyped (see Drury and McKinney), and Cashman already fleeced Atkins for Happ. Plus Toronto is subsidizing Tulo for the Yanks to sit on their 60 day IL. Shapkins are going to set the Blue Jay’s back another 10 years and Ed Rogers just doesn’t seem to care. #DumpsterFire
Bumgarner pitched great today against the Dodgers.
Florial and a couple lottery tickets for MadBum would be a trade San Fran should ask from NYY.
Frazier for MadBum is another good trade for both teams since San Fran does not want to do a full rebuild. NYY would prefer this trade more imo
here we go again with Mr Cashman. Off season and past season failures to land a legit ace, mean several things.
1. we will surely trade prospect assets for pen help (like Rutherford- who would have been a fine chip now…). this is because the pen has to pitch 6 innings a game and is toast by mid July.
2. Rumors will fly about scherzer and others to no avail because that is what we the people want and Cash has no interest…
3. here comes the parade of 2019 versions of lance Lynn, because that is what the people don’t want but Cash is willing to pay for
4. it all ends in Houston in October when the yanks throw out happless against a Cole or verlander and britton and Ottavino are called in around the 3rd.
for the love of g-d get the ace and I’ll plan the parade
Make sure Crawford is involved in any trade! Goldilocks sure is pretty with his long hair! He’s a joke!
Crawford got paid and checked out.
Yanks need Scherzer. A true ace if they want to beat the Astros.
exactly.
BTW we could have him for nothing a couple of years ago. You know when he was much younger and that contract would have provided much more value.
That was a monster contract. Not a lot of teams lined up to pay a pitcher 200+ million
yanks can afford it and it would have been better to have had a younger scherzer at the front end of the contract than an old scherzer on the back end
There will be a bidding war for Bumgarner now. He pitched great today and is getting stronger.
One game
Last 10 games against the Dodgers, who most agree have a pretty lethal offense, ERA 1.90….
No, Bumgarner will be a great addition to any clubhouse. He’s pitching pretty strong.
Ya super cool guy. Lol
Pitched pretty good, but he sure has turned in to a whiner over the years. Wouldn’t care to have that in my clubhouse.
“Wouldn’t care to have that in my clubhouse” No problem there pal, since you will never step a foot inside one.
Odd, since it didn’t seem to be much of a problem, when he led the Giants to 3 World Series.
He’s intense for sure. When you play for such a lackluster team, you’d be intense too. I don’t look at that as a negative.
The man never had any run support. I still take Bum over Kershaw any day of the week. Especially in October.
No he hasn’t. He’s feiry against opponents, not teammates
How about Stroman, Atkins, and Shapiro for anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Lol
Stroman to the Twins for Nick Gordon, Blayne Enlow, and Lewis Thorpe??
Coming from a neutral observer Minn has to offer much more than that.
All three of these prospects are solid 2nd part of a deal for Stroman imo.
Realistically, who would you have as the centerpiece?
Graterol and one of those three you mentioned would be market value forStroman imo
How about Stroman for Tulo? Oh wait
The Dodgers get MadBum and then him and Muncy go kayaking together in McCovey Cove to look for that ball he hit today
Omg David ortiz just got shoot in DR!!!
One of these 4 teams will get Stroman:
Yankees
Cardinals
Padres
Braves
Yankees because of their need and Stroman thrives in pressure games and would make a passionate and dedicated Yankee.
Cardinals actually have greatest need due to injuries and poor performance. Stroman’s athleticism, speed, hitting experience, pinch running, fielding ability make him tailor made for a NL team. He would thrive with the Cardinals and their incredible fan base.
Padres for all the above same reasons and they have the best concentration of minor league pitching that the Jays covet.
Braves due to all the above and Anthopoulis’ history with Stroman since he drafted him. Also, Braves are a close second in quality minor league pitching.
JMHO
I disagree calling Madbum a whiner. He plays the game with heart and passion and has no problem calling out players for their shenanigans. Look at his beef with Puig, even the LA fans couldn’t stand Puig for his antics, hence his trade to Cincy. Muncy hasn’t done enough in the league to show up Madbum. I’m surprised the league hasn’t made that young man pee in a bottle. I certainly thought Madbum would throw something high and tight during Muncy’s next couple at bats. Probably come during their next meeting.
So does he call himself out when he bat flips? Or when you pumps his fists and celebrates? Your argument is a worthless double standard. I don’t have a problem with Bum chirping, yeah whatever let him chirp, but come on how many times and counting has he started or potentially started a fight that he has no interest in involving himself in. The old hold me back bro actions. It gets old, his “antics” are old. Finally if you don’t think Muncy has been drug tested numerous times, your head is in a cloud. Much the same as this old defending MadBum for being the sole judge and jury of “acceptable” antics. It’s all kind of a joke tbh.
Typical dodger fan response. It’s not up to Madbum to call himself out, it’s up to the opposing pitcher or ball club. Of course he has done things that have crossed the line, and I was one of the first fans to post my displeasure. That’s part of the game. You have your head in the sand if you don’t think Muncy and many others are juicing! Why do you think they just broke the record for home runs in the first half of a season? Hunter Pence indicated that last year in his good bye speech when he asked, “what do you get when you squeeze an orange?” His response, “juice!” He then promptly said the Giants organization has always played the game clean! As far as Muncy, here’s a dude that was released by the Oakland organization because he couldn’t hit. He sits out a year to be coached by his father. Then he comes back and miraculously becomes a home run hitter? Give me a break,,,,
You cannot be seriously saying that the giants are a clean team?!?! That is hilarious the team of Barroid bonds. The original player who stood in the batters box and admired his juiced up homers. Wow. You listen to Kruk and kuip way too much. Deal in the real world dude. Giants saying they play clean is like Madonna saying she’s a virgin. Funny af you are
Give me a break, no it’s just about not being a hypocritical d bag. And that’s the thing, Muncy did nothing wrong beyond crushing a ball that Bum completely missed location on. Again I have no issue with Bum chirping. Let him chirp, it’s the other crap around it I have a problem with. We’ve seen this movie before, and it continues to get old. So as a Dodgers fan, I’m glad there are no childish blowups like this.
Ahh yes the old fall back response that everyone else is cheating, because our outdated development system has floundered. It’s not like the Giants have been proficient at supplementing their old core with young talent. Fans act as though it’s a substantial feat for a guy with gobs of power, who was an advance college bat with a tremendous feel for the strike zone, to figure it out after a swing change. That’s essentially the beauty of the game, not every prospect or big leaguer figures it out right away especially if your getting sporadic playing time. But sure let’s go with your explanation, the Giants are victims, hitters are always static and can never improve. If you’d like to blame Muncy and all the Dodgers for cheating go ahead. I know this may be a crazy idea, but maybe just maybe, the Dodgers and other teams are just doing a better job identifying skill sets and developing them. Other wise, I’m saddened to hear that Pence is now taking steroids after his sudden offensive explosion in Texas. This is moronic to spend any more time on this. To be honest this sounds entirely like sour grapes, not acknowledging the faults of the Giants.
Bumgarner is all bark and no bite, and he gets his panties in a bunch at the drop of a hat. Muncy didn’t even show him up. His pettiness is perfect for Northern California, and that is where he should stay. He is just a punk and a complete whiner. Hell, he was whiny on the previous at-bat over a pitch that was clearly a ball.
He was whining during the first at-bat.
“Yankees Interested in”
Machado
Harper
Corbin
Dallas
But they wind up with nobody.
Best is when he said the Yankees are like a death star. More like a dead bulb.
I think MadBum in a change of scenery, could have more than we realize left in his tank. If you’re looking to win it all this year, he may be their best option.
Stroman to Padres, Giles to STL, Sanchez to Houston’s pen. Let’s get it on.
Shapkins will realize nothing of value in trading these stars. Add in Smoak, too. Drury, McKinney, etc… that’s the caliber of player the Jays have received as part of the worst “rebuild” in MLB history; the Jays have been set back at least another ten years by their incompetent front office. Bring back AA! And stop apologizing for the dumpster fire on the field. Jays will be lucky to win 60 games this year and next.
I don’t want AA back. Only made those moves as a last-ditch effort at a contract extension. The first thing that needs to be done is finding a buyer with guts for glory. So long as Rogers owns the squad they will be a second-rate franchise.
Although an unpopular move I would bring in Shapiro’s old boss John Hart. He wasn’t implicated in the Braves scandal but he assembled that team for AA to reap the rewards. Hart assembled Cleveland in the 90’s and didn’t have a bad run in Texas. He knows how to spend and how to develop. And since Shapiro’s not going anywhere, he’d be the best fit.
How on earth are Edwin Jackson and Clayton Richard seen as pieces in a rebuild? Meanwhile Edwin Encarnacion just belted homer 400, only the 56th major leaguer to reach that number! Could have provided some protection for Vladdy Jr. Where’s Kendrys Morales now?
Charles I’m with you on Edwin and Clayton. This goes to show why they screwed up the last couple years; no pitchers in the Happ trade, not trading Smoak last year and not trading Donaldson two years ago (I wanted things stripped in 2017 after the awful decisions in 16-17 offseason). All that lead to today.
I saw Vlad was not DH’ing yesterday against a lefty but Sogard was. No reason for that to ever happen. Glad Atkins got that extension!
And who did Atkins get for Josh Donaldson, Dwight Smith and others? Nobody with MLB upside, right? Draft picks? Bag of balls?
Charles you’re killing me! We are in-agreement. Now I’m just bitter revisiting the stupidity of the Donaldson situation.
How common is it for a player to take cash to waive a no trade clause? Are the terms public? Which team pays?
Jays could really use Frazier!
Jays could use three ace starting pitchers, a CF, another OF and a shortstop.
Can someone tell me why they didn’t go sign a FA SP for cash in the off season as I mentioned a ton of times? Now they are looking for rotation help and most likely trade prospects away when they could have just used cash.
Please don’t tell me their rotation was fine before all the injuries because it’s wasn’t
B/c the cash the genius is an idiot. The man who has no clue how to build a quality rotation and gets non stop lavish praise from ken davidoff no matter what?
Bumgarner: stay in the NL! There are several teams in the NL that could use you: Phils, Braves, Cardinals, Mets,
Do you just get the feeling Edwin Encarnacion and Josh Donaldson are going to embarrass the Blue Jays front office even more this season as they go on rampant runs to the World Series with their respective teams? #FireShapkins
GMs of Yankees, Red Sox, Rays and Orioles all approve of Atkins getting an extension. If they could fleece the Jays for Stroman, Giles, Smoak and Sanchez, all the better! E3 can torment Shapkins now more often as a Yankee as well! Where is Kendry Morales? Steve Pearce?