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Cardinals Eyeing Lefty Relievers

By Steve Adams | July 23, 2019 at 9:03pm CDT

The Cardinals haven’t been as frequently mentioned on the rumor circuit as some of their NL Central counterparts, but that doesn’t mean they’ve been sitting idly by. In an appearance on Dan McLaughlin’s podcast (audio link), president of baseball operations John Mozeliak made clear that in an ideal world, he’d add at least one reliever — likely a southpaw — to his current bullpen blend.

“We’re pretty comfortable with [the bullpen],” said Mozeliak, “but as we enter the trading deadline, I think we would look to see if there’s an upgrade on the left side of the bullpen to complement [Andrew] Miller. It’s not something that we feel like if we don’t do, we have failed, it’s just something we’re exploring.”

While that isn’t exactly a declaration of aggressive buying, left-handed relief does indeed look to be an area of need in St. Louis, where Miller is the only stable option the Cards have had for much of season. Beyond Miller, who has rebounded from a slow start to the season, the only other southpaws to log innings in the Cardinals’ bullpen have been Tyler Webb, Genesis Cabrera and Chasen Shreve, who was designated for assignment earlier today.

There are plenty of lefties whose names have been bandied about the market, including Will Smith, Tony Watson, Jake Diekman and Roenis Elias. What’s not clear, though, is whether the Cardinals will be after that group. Beyond the fact that the surging Giants are no longer locks to sell off their rental assets, Mozeliak expressed an interest in perhaps pursuing some less-obvious trade candidates who offer greater flexibility over a longer term.

“…I think the key thing for us, when you’re looking at bullpen help right now, would be to try to acquire people also with options so you have some flexibility,” Mozeliak said. “We are getting to a point now where our hands are a bit tied in some areas, so to try to create a little flexibility would make sense.”

Those types aren’t generally headline-grabbers, but most rebuilding clubs have at least one reliever who could fit the bill. Speculatively speaking, Baltimore’s Paul Fry, Miami’s Jarlin Garcia and Toronto’s Tim Mayza are a few such arms who could be looked at more as flexible depth options than late-inning staples. That might sound uninspiring to onlookers, but it’s also true that with the elimination of this year’s August trade waiver period, having additional depth on hand is more important than ever. Clubs can no longer turn to the waiver market next month in order to add help as injuries arise, so having a stock of optionable arms in the upper minors is paramount.

It’s certainly not out of the question that the Cards could add a high-profile arm while still deepening the fringes of their 40-man roster with some optionable ’pen pieces. The Cards could also trim from the edges of their own 40-man — say, by dealing impending free agent Michael Wacha to a team in need of a fifth starter — either adding a bullpen piece in that kind of deal or using the newly vacated spot to add someone who, unlike Wacha, can be shuttled back and forth between Memphis and St. Louis.

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  1. Jbigz12

    6 years ago

    I’d prefer the Orioles didn’t trade Paul fry. No need to. Control him for 5 more years. I would imagine the return wouldn’t be worthwhile. I’d rather have him try to build some more value. Could be a closer after Givens gets dealt. Not that it matters if anyone halfway respectable is closing but he may build more value if he succeeds there.

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    • Thomas Bliss

      6 years ago

      I think him and Jace Fry should be teammates. The Fry Brothers. Bullpen Frying.

      Reply
      • troll

        6 years ago

        in miami, the fish fryers

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        • Badacidtrip69

          6 years ago

          no, the padres. friars fryers

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  2. Letmereact

    6 years ago

    Diekman for Wacha?

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    • allweatherfan

      6 years ago

      No chance. Royals aren’t trading for a free agent to be.

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    • The Call Up

      6 years ago

      If fact, I think that would work. In need of a starter they could lock in the long term under a fairly cheap price. Matheny is with KC now too (managed Wacha in STL of course). Might be something they would be interested in. To be honest, I wouldn’t do it if I’m STL unless STL wants to dump Wacha’s salary.

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      • Chris Lee

        6 years ago

        Royals are not interested in older SPs that are not controlled. Royals have some control of Montgomery for a reasonable price. Royals will want a prospect or two.

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        • tapnager

          6 years ago

          I believe Wacha has “controlled” his own cost.

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    • RoyalsFanAmongWolves

      6 years ago

      I don’t think the Royals would trade for a starting pitcher that is not controllable because we already have our rotation for the rest of the year. We prefer to have either a prospect or something that fits our needs of the immediate future. right now we don’t really have a first baseman ( The guy who was supposed to be a regular first baseman this year was demoted to AAA . We’re currently using Mike Moustakas’ former back up cheslor cuthbert at first. Our future long term first baseman is in High A Wilmington.

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  3. Matt Galvin

    6 years ago

    Have Infielders,Outfielders,like Catcher Knizer that are been blocked that they can Trade for SP/Bullpen Pieces

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    • dmarcus15

      6 years ago

      Knizer will be the starter in 2 years no way he’s getting dealt.

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      • kidbryant

        6 years ago

        Is that like “Carsen Kelly will be the starter of the future, no way he gets dealt”?

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        • cards81

          6 years ago

          That was said until Knizner proved he could handle it…then Kelly was available…cardinals have another catcher in the minors but I don’t think he will be ready in time…therefore Knizner is not getting traded

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        • dmarcus15

          6 years ago

          It’s a great problem to have and next season Knizner will sit behind Yadi all year then like Mathney did with Yadi he will hand the reins over.

          Reply
  4. Payne Train

    6 years ago

    MO will figure a way out to mess something up

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    • troll

      6 years ago

      mo could do nothing and mess it up

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      • asdfgh

        6 years ago

        And you all think you can do better? Earth to anyone complaining currently a game out of first place by end maybe half a game out. This team is a part or two away. Man it’s like no one remembers 2006 or 2011 when we never a powerhouse team

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        • Payne Train

          6 years ago

          Yep – game out of first thanks to Edman, Munoz, Oniell, Weiters, Hudson, Ponce, and company … the guys that’s making league minimum … not the guys that MO signed for 14 plus mil a year . Just imagine where we could be if MO had a clue

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        • gocrazyfolks

          6 years ago

          Edman, Hudson, and Ponce were drafted by Mo. Muñoz and O’Neill were traded for by Mo. Wieters was signed by Mo. Your point?

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        • Badacidtrip69

          6 years ago

          cincinnati is only 7 out and 5 under, so how would you rate their season with that roster? it’s your boy jocketty over there, too. i think perspective might be a lil diff. big apple p big to compare to st louie.

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        • Payne Train

          6 years ago

          About where I thought they would be

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        • spudchukar

          6 years ago

          Sweet comment. Have all the moves made by Mo worked out? No. But fans always want to focus on those that don’t.

          Reply
        • Payne Train

          6 years ago

          It’s more about the bad moves that outweigh the positive ones

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        • uncle mike

          6 years ago

          Correction…..Gocrazyfolkd…..Michael Girsch darted them. Not Mozeliak!!!!

          Reply
  5. JMSTL

    6 years ago

    Cards need to leave Pittsburgh with Vazquez as a new piece to the bullpen!!!

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    • hammer_time24

      6 years ago

      The price to trade Vazquez within the division would have to be astronomical. No chance that gets done

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    • teufelshunde4

      6 years ago

      Pittsburgh wont trade within division.

      Reply
  6. troll

    6 years ago

    too much is made of lefty/righty.

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    • robluca21

      6 years ago

      Because platoon splits are a real thing

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      • troll

        6 years ago

        platoon splits are just for average players

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        • DoItDoug

          6 years ago

          And that is what most players are. Average.

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  7. JMSTL

    6 years ago

    It’s going to be hefty for any top tier lefty reliever. We have a surplus of outfielders, minor league SS & 3B.
    Vazquez has a favorable contract to go with his talent.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Pittsburgh isn’t going to trade Vazquez inter division for sure.

      Reply
  8. JMSTL

    6 years ago

    What would it take to get Trevor Bauer?

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    • allweatherfan

      6 years ago

      He won’t be traded until the offseason. Price will still be high.

      Reply
  9. Dad

    6 years ago

    The Cardinals need to trade KC for Keller.That would be a great under the radar do-able trade .

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    • RoyalsFanAmongWolves

      6 years ago

      Absolutely not! He’s only 24 and he’s one of our Best Pitchers. Plus why would we trade a 24-year-old? he can be part of the Royals future!

      Perhaps the Cardinals should participate in the rule five draft & find their own brad Keller?

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  10. m34josh

    6 years ago

    The way Will Smith is mowing down Cubs, they should increase whatever they were going to offer for him

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  11. BeEzy

    6 years ago

    Yeah, that’ll put us over the top.

    …..not trying to be cynical, but Mo is starting to really seem like he has no clear vision of what this team should be. I’m a diehard Cards fan and it’s really frustrating that we’ve been in this weird limbo for like five years now.

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    • dmarcus15

      6 years ago

      Half game out without 3 starters and your main utility guy last season I think Mo has done pretty decent.

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      • asdfgh

        6 years ago

        Finally someone with common sense. For a fan living in nyc cards fan are much more realistic, I see the Mets gm go all gung ho the way some of the commenters here want and look where they are. We are half game out and you are complaining about them. Were you also complaining when we dominated for a decade in which mozeliak ran. If you READ FACTS you will see Bill Dewitt and his son, Mo, and Girsch all make decisions as a team before mo this was the same with Jocketty who do you think helped bring McGwire, Rolen, Edmonds, Carpenter, Wainwright. Mo also helped negotiate the Holiday trade. It’d be nice if credit was given when we are actually doing well and that Mozeliak doesn’t know when a player will break down no one knows when they will hit a funk.

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        • Badacidtrip69

          6 years ago

          i’d say that 1/2 g out is a lot of the cubs / brewers underachievement & struggles. 6 games over .500 is good but “not great”.

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        • Badacidtrip69

          6 years ago

          cincinnati is only 7 out and 5 under, so how would you rate their season with that roster? it’s your boy jocketty over there, too. i think perspective might be a lil diff. big apple p big to compare to st louie.

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        • Payne Train

          6 years ago

          MO may have done great things in the past – but going on about 4 years now he seems lost. Bad, expensive FA signings, passing up on actual talent in FA, dumb extensions, some pretty crappy trades and so on.
          Sorry but the guys handicapped the team from the reasons above – so I’ll go the route of what have you done for me lately … and by lately, I mean 4 years.

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        • brownshark

          6 years ago

          You are correct in pointing out that the mediocrity in NL Central is largely responsible for StL’s apparently appealing current position in the standings. Even if this team cannot be made wholesome enough for a deep playoff run this year, the TD is an ideal time to improve for 2020. They do need a LH reliever even if Miller comes around in these last 60 games. Moreover, it is a great opportunity to dump salary of those players who appear to be past their prime (MCarp, Fowler, Waccha, Gyorko, etc.) if they can entice any desperate contenders into taking them.

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        • Payne Train

          6 years ago

          I’ll be interested in seeing how we play in the upcoming series against Houston, Cubs, Dodgers . Unfortunately, those games are immediately after the trade deadline.
          Leading up to the trade deadline it seems like we have been playing the Pirates, Marlins, San Diego, and Reds a little too much .
          Makes it a little harder to see where we are actually at against some contending teams as we approach the deadline

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        • MooseMichaels

          6 years ago

          Miller’s started to come around right before the ASB. He hasn’t been bad at all lately.

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        • BeEzy

          6 years ago

          Yeah, so being a mediocre/poor quality team, but only a couple games out because of your division being poo in general, is still something to want to improve. Saying “be happy with where you are” is the most counterintuitive logic to having a good team. This is not a team that’s going to win in the postseason if we get there. I want to see them be better than this.

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        • BeEzy

          6 years ago

          …also, this “read the facts” thing you keep doing is not helping. Everyone here can and is reading. Stating opinions is part of the discussion. Sports reporters are not stone tablets of absolute truth. We are allowed to have ideas about the organizations we care about.

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        • troll

          6 years ago

          mediocre division by all the teams records from playing each other so much.

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      • MooseMichaels

        6 years ago

        Only a half game out because the Cubs haven’t played well. Isn’t because the Cards are some great team. And we will see how they do against the Astros and Dodgers.

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        • brownshark

          6 years ago

          agreed…STL has not played well vs. the better teams…they should deal now for 2020 & beyond, not for this year; too many holes to fill in just 75 days. Mo should take advantage of contenders desperately trying to patch holes for 2019.

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    • JMSTL

      6 years ago

      Let’s all be real!!!!
      There r about 4 really good teams in baseball. Mo, is hanging around in the race the past 4 yrs. He has not been able to make that big trade deadline deal. He’s so scared of trading away that great young talent. He waits til they fail in the Bigs or get hurt and lose their value. We are not going to land that big free agent, and that’s fine!!! This is where u can re-tool next seasons team and improve for a playoff run.

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      • troll

        6 years ago

        voit negates that comment

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  12. bigcheesegrilledontoast

    6 years ago

    I can see a different strategy for the Cards for the rest of the year. Starters go less innings per start and the bullpen leaned on for half the games innings. If the bats come alive the second half the Cards can make something out of the season.

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  13. MooseMichaels

    6 years ago

    Hold on…you mean Mo is going after a lefty reliever? Man what a change of pace…He has NEVER done that. This guy is something else. We are ALL IN for 2019. But we aren’t going to trade for what we need which is a starting pitcher.

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  14. spudchukar

    6 years ago

    Sweet comment. Have all the moves made by Mo worked out? No. But fans always want to focus on those that don’t.

    Reply
  15. dmarcus15

    6 years ago

    Man some Cards fans sound like Cub fans!

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  16. dfinmozarks

    6 years ago

    The Cards have a great and loyal (to a fault) fan base. They shell out $200 or more for a family of 4 to take in a game with a core of older players past their prime like Carp, Fowler, Molina, Miller. Wainwright and we stay pat with that hand every year when that core gets older and plays hurt more and more while our main competitors are constantly upgrading. Our front office seems afraid to make key moves when great players become available. Guys like a healthy Yelich, who had 4 years of control instead giving up 4 talented rookies for a hurt Ozuna with 2 years of control, ditto missing out on a great southpaw like Chris Sale with 4 years of control. Giving Fowler a 5 year $85 MM contract when he had only averaged about 120 games a year of play for most of his career. Or trading off a fine rookie like Voit in order to keep Carp on first where his weak defense minimized his liability …and then trading for Goldy which put Carp on 3rd which is his weakest position on defense. I do agree that Moz has made some fine trades, but aside for the one for Goldy, there have been too many poor ones in the past 4 years.

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    • spudchukar

      6 years ago

      For the last time Yelich wasn’t available when the Red Birds traded for Ozuna. Only after the house cleaning became apparent did the Marlins decide to offer Yelich. The Cards brass inquired about Yelich and were told no so they moved on to Ozuna.

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    • BeEzy

      6 years ago

      I totally agree with the idea that the front office has made more stopgap moves to fill out the veteran core rather than put a plan in place for the transition to a younger, more future-oriented team, which is fine, of course, if you want to maximize the remaining years of Yadi and Wainwright and Carp, but it really puts a damper on the club when those stopgap moves are overly invested in, such as the cost of Fowler and Greg Holland and Brett Cecil and even Carp for the next few years into his mid-30’s. I keep feeling like the team is comprised of a bunch of bandages stuck on to keep the plumbing working, rather than a concerted plan for building a team identity and sustained future success. I get that we expect postseason play every year, but there doesn’t seem to be an objective here other than simply reaching the postseason.

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    • mtb48

      6 years ago

      Tons of comments about MO without one mention of Goldschmidt. Is he hitting with the avg. and the OBP we thought he might? no(not yet)…but that was a bold move and not ONE of you naysayers were against it (the trade OR the signing). MO has his fingerprints on everything about this club – the good and the bad. Overall, under his reign – we have had WAY more ups than downs. 3 yrs out of the playoffs is most disconcerting, but i give the org the benefit of the doubt and remain cautiously optimistic about the future – this year and beyond.
      #BEREASONABLE

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  17. uncle mike

    6 years ago

    Actually……Mozeliak will do as usual in July!!!! Nothing worth writing about!!!

    Reply
  18. uncle mike

    6 years ago

    Stroman, Syndigard and The Mets Closer Diaz would help the Cardinals during a Central Division Championship.

    Reply

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