The Mets have already added one of the most coveted starters on the trade market, but they’re poised to perhaps trade away one or two more. New York continues to listen to offers on righty Noah Syndergaard, who is still listed as the starter for tonight’s game. We’ll track today’s rumblings on him here and update throughout the evening…
- The Padres made what they considered a fair offer on Syndergaard — one that involved Major League players — but still aren’t close to coming to terms with the Mets, reports SNY’s Andy Martino (via Twitter). The Padres are widely believed to be willing to deal from their plethora of outfielders — Manuel Margot, Hunter Renfroe and Franmil Reyes are among the available names — and also possess one of baseball’s premier farm systems. San Diego’s interest in Syndergaard dates back to the offseason, and they’re still hoping to add a potential frontline starter to help them in 2020 beyond at this year’s deadline. While they’ve explored innumerable trade scenarios around the league, the Padres’ “most earnest” pursuit has been their ongoing effort to obtain Syndergaard, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports.
- Similarly, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that the Mets have been seeking current MLB talent in all of their Syndergaard talks — even from teams with highly regarded minor league systems. That meshes with last night’s report (from LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune) that the Mets had asked the Twins for center fielder Byron Buxton as part of the return for Syndergaard — an ask that Minnesota was rather obvious unwilling to oblige. (Buxton is hitting .259/.313/.508, good for a 108 wRC+, and is arguably baseball’s best outfield defender.)
- “[W]hat they were asking it is not even worth a second conversation,” one executive tells Joel Sherman of the New York Post with regard to Syndergaard discussions with the Mets. “I’m not even sure it was worth the first. … [T]he Mets are not in the mode of meeting you in the middle of your offer and their ask, it is their ask or nothing.” As Sherman more broadly explores, Mets brass has no inclination to move toward anything but a win-now approach in 2020. General manager Brodie Van Wagenen was the only one of the dozen GM candidates for the Mets who did not recommend some level of rebuild to ownership, Sherman writes, and both he and the Wilpon family remain committed to constructing a roster they believe can compete in 2020. That seems to only further underline that the Mets would want multiple MLB or MLB-ready assets to part with Syndergaard.
Heard that Ervin Santana was scratched from his minor league start tonight in case Thor gets traded. I think something gets done tonight. Wonder where hes going. Always thought he would fit well in San DIego. They sure have the pieces to get something done.
Trade him to the Sox. He is in Chicago already.
Maybe he can turn around and face the Mets.
Smh.
White Sox don’t have capital for Thor.
Uhhh they have a ton of minor league talent. But i wouldn’t bet on Hahn trading any prospects
I would take Luis Robert and Eloy Jimenez for Thor
I’m sure you would. Robert,.McNeil, Alonso, Cano, Eloy, Conforto, Ramos, Smith would be a nasty lineup haha.
Maybe in an alternate universe
They aren’t trading any of the top 50 guys, and the rest of the system is suspect.
Unless they could convince the Mets to take Dunning and Steele Walker and two organizational guys, it’s not happening.
Santana might have been scratched for Wheeler who goes Thursday.
this is more likely
Wheeler is for sure gone. No reason to keep him unless he wants an extension, and nobody wants an extension with the mets rn
Their ace just did
False. If no one is offering a player who has a decent chance of being an impact player, they would be better off keeping him and offering the QO and getting a pick in the 50-70 range. That’d be more valuable than a fringe prospect like they got in all their trades of players that were upcoming free agents over the last two years.
50-70 range? Lol.
What are you smoking, how on earth do you get the 50th pick or even 60th for wheeler.
Another delusional Mutts fan
Their GM used to be his agent. He had Hope last off-season. I’m sure he regrets it now.
You do realize they’ll get compensation, in the form of a draft pick, if another team signs him if he rejects QO, right?
Yes idiot, I also realize it’s after the 1st round, compensation round A and second round.
Now, knowing there are 30 teams in the league who pick twice as well as a compensation round the Mutts aren’t eligible for please explain how how ge the 50th-60th pick in the draft for wheeler?
He said up to 70. Pick #1 of the 2nd round bonus picks was….. 70.
Brodie in over his head
Haha. Imagine Brodie and Jeff trying to figure all this out. Chaos.
The trade deadline news so far, including rumors, has been about as interesting as the Mets season so far.
It says something about a person when 11 people say one thing, and he goes with the single person who said the opposite. Mets ownership clearly just wants someone to tell them what they want to hear. I can’t imagine a worse way to run a business.
You have no imagination!
Sounds about right
What Brody was asking for in the go she Asian‘s with Minnesota might just show that he could very well be on drugs.
Love this voice to text of negotiations to “the go she Asian’s”. That’s all time
you have to be flexible during go she Asian’s
ask Bob kraft
Drugs, you say?
I would trade Thor for Buxton if I were the Twins. In turn, they could probably get Marte, Dickerson, and Cabrera from the Pirates for a boogah. The Pirates are just looking to salary dump. Of course, none of the 3 play center like Buxton, but think of the offense.
Buxton was only part of the ask I think. It wasnt a 1 for 1 it was Buxton headlining a package of players, which is totally nuts as a value ask. Buxton has more trade value then Thor.
Keep him and trade Wheeler. Next year should be exciting
He won’t be traded. But Wheeler will.
Padres are offering what the Mets don’t need – not to mention any of them being worthy of a center piece. Not sure I’d move Thor for Buxton, either. The kid has not produced as a number one ranked prospect in all of baseball and has been injury prone. Thor has had less than one bad season (current year), nor do the Mets need to trade him. I’d hold on unless overwhelmed.
Thor has been hurt a lot as well. How many 150IP seasons does he have again?
Three put of his first four years, soon to be four out of five. Buxton has played in 46,92,140, 28, and 79 games this year. I’d rather have Noah.
Honestly, you would have been well-served to take 30 seconds to look this up before asking the question. If you had only set your cutoff at 155 innings, the answer would have been quite different!
Is that a Mets fan putting way too much value on its players?!? Seems that way
They’re both injury prone, more so Buxton and at least when Noah has been healthy (besides this year) he’s performed at an elite level. Same can’t be said about Buxton, besides this season. Career ops of 702. I’m not sure how you value Buxton more than Noah.
Also, not a Mets fan, just a knowledgeable baseball fan.
You say you’re knowledgeable but also said Thor is elite. I call foul on both.
Safe to say he’d be the ace on half the teams out there, so yeah…elite is probably a word that he can be described as outside of this year, but even HOF’ers have had a bad year or two.
2015-2018 ERA
Kershaw
deGrom
Scherzer
Syndergaard.
4th. In the MLB. Sure, he has a 4.1-something (and dropping) this year, His FIP looks better too.
Thor has not had a complete season in the majors.
Still an elite pitcher, still better than Buxton.
Or he is scratched so he can start for Wheeler when he is traded. That is far more likely. I just can’t see the Mets trading Thor or Diaz.
It’s a boring deadline so far. So many crap and meaningless transactions. This deadline is a cure for sleep disorders. Yawn. ZZZZZZZ…
I don’t want to get rid of Syndergaard so I’m happy they’re asking for too much.
I’d obviously rather have Thor, but he and Joey Luchessi both have 1.2 WAR this year. It’s not exactly like Thor has been killing it, so asking for the moon just isn’t realistic.
Previous to this year, he’s been outstanding. Plus, two years of controllability after this year. In a year that the ball seems to be juiced, I’d cut him some slack and still ask for the moon.
NY will never maximize Thors value with the infield defense they have, so unless they are going to work to make it better they should deal him before prolonged mediocre results turn him into Archer 2.0, who the Rays still got paid for, but far less then a year or two before would have been, and they also got kinda lucky with the players they got taking the next step with them.
Dont depreciate a top asset that you cant possibly maximize if it gets you something that fits better. The flip flip of course is could any pitcher maximize with that defense behind you? So maybe the better play would be trade some infielders out, and get ones that aren’t redundant poor defenders compounding each others failings.
They also gave a lot for Diaz including an aging second baseman’s albatross of a contract they have to eat now and that will keep them from trading Diaz also because the ask is high
Yeah – the buxton ask was a hang up to phone moment for the twins… followed by a “new phone who dis?” Reply to the Mets desperate text messages after.
I’m sure they’re making headway asking the angels for trout and the Indians for lindor.
Not to mention asking for a player that a contender cant internally replace, most of the time in a win next year type trade you look at which contender has the best package of MLB ready blocked prospects.
Like Thor to OAK for Cotton, Nuese, Jeffries, Mateo is do able for OAK since the two position players are blocked Jeffries is the best non Luzardo/Puk SP prospect, and Cotton is a low service time SP who has upside and cheap control.
Something where your not asking a contender to get worse to get better this year, and your getting a collection of players they may undervalue some since theyre blocked that could help you next year. Look for the contender with the best fits in terms of better blocked prospects that fit your holes.
Thor to OAK for Cotton, Nuese, Jeffries, Mateo is a move all A’s fans would be over the moon for.
Sadly, you’re probably going to have to add in Puk to that.
Syndergaard for Neuse, Puk or Luzardo, Jefferies, Sean Murphy and Bolt and the whole of the Mets would be happy.
You just compared Buxton to Trout and already Lindor? Oh my…
I think with that pitching staff (pre-Stroman) and young offensive pieces like Alonso and MacNeil you DO go for it now. Teams rebuild for years in the hopes of getting a rotation like that. Now, I don’t think they’ve made the best win-now moves since the offseason, but I don’t think Brodie is crazy for looking at a rotation like and not immediately suggesting a rebuild.
Thor gets traded to the Padres. Wheeler to the Rays. Astros get Boyd and turn him into a sub 2.00 ERA guy averaging 15 strikeouts per game, and the Giants think hard about trading MadBum, but decide to hold him at the last moment to contend, then proceed to fall into a terrible losing streak in August and are just left with regrets.
Not a fan of Brody but he’s doing the right thing here. They should be in no hurry to dump guys they have control of for 2-3 more seasons for anything less than top prospects. If nobody steps up just keep them.
Just keep him, watch his value go down and win 75 games again next year
And his value would go down because?
2 years of control as opposed to 3?
That’s a huge factor when trading someone.
But you just keep living in fantasy land.
Brodie and the Wilpons are drawing names out of a hat as we speak.
Just Thinking about Braves sending Mike Foltynewicz (replacement for Thor), Austin Riley (huge power can play third or outfield 6 years) and throw in injured lefty Luiz Gohara. for Noah Syndergaard and Zack Wheeler. Folty was better than Syndergaard in 2018 and getting top prospect Austin Riley for Wheeler is a steal.
BVW probably asked for Acuña, Albies, and Soroka…
Mets are going nowhere. Markwting a mid rotation arm production wise so far in 2019 and has an iniury history and wantd an wlite ace type return. I can see one top 30ish prospect and a cpuple secondary pieces but also demanding major leaguers?
This time next year they will be 3rd in division at best with no farm system and scrambling to sell stroman for mlb ready talent
But they’ll want extra for Stroman because of all his “energy”
Actual production doesn’t matter to idiot Mets fans
Fix the bullpen and you’ll have a winning team. They’ve blown 21 games. Cut that in 1/2 and they’re the first WC and only 2 games behind Atlanta for the division
I see Wheeler as a closer with his 80 FB and 70-SL.
Stop bricking nearly all ground balls hit not straight at a defender?
They’ve also won 10 of their last 14 and three of those four losses were extra innings walkoffs due to the bullpen. With a better bullpen, they would be 13-1 in their last 14 and over .500.
Padres should ask the diamondbacks about a zach greinke wil myers salary swap with prospects going back to arizona, arizona can put myers at 1st. Then padres should look to sign gerrit cole in the offseason.
Padres should offer yates reyes stammen to the rays in a package headlined by matthew liberatore and shane baz.
I’ll be the first guy to have a laugh at the Met’s expense but let’s face it they fleeced the Blue Jays out of Stroman. Stroman is no ace for sure but he’s decent arm and was acquired for a couple of meh prospects. You have to admit the Met’s rotation is not bad and I can’t help but think if they didn’t make that horrendous trade with Seattle we’d all be talking about them much differently right now. They have some nice pieces in McNeil and Alonso to build a lineup around. Rosario is a good SS that I think is also a nice player. They could literally contend next year or make a run this year.
2/3 of the season is over and they are under .500 I don’t think this year is an option but if the pitching stays healthy they could contend next year possibly
Rosario is just about the worst everyday SS in baseball, what are you smoking?
Thor for Puk, Pinder, Neuse and Cotton ticks all their boxes I think and I think its move the A’s need to make.
Id rather have the A’s pitchers. Puk is going to dominate soon, mark it down.
Mets would want Sean Murphy. We need a catcher, Puk, Murphy, Jefferies, Neuse would do it.
A’s need a catcher more, have you seen who they’ve been trotting out there the last bunch of years? Yeesh. Murphy is easily the best C prospect in MLB right now, the A’s would need deGrom for Murphy, with Mets covering a lot of money.
Easily the best? Maybe in terms of proximity to MLB ready, but he’s ranked the 4th C prospect, just ahead of Smith. You could argue that he’s the most well rounded of the C prospects, but to say he’s “easily” the best is laughable.
Adley R. says hello
Mets move deGrom, a proven Cy Young winner AND pay a bunch of his salary for an unproven minor leaguer? You’d have to toss a couple of more prospects in there and take the salary.
You’re not wrong. Thor is the safer bet though, and fits the contention window better. Also Luzardo exists.
Buxton who?? Van Idiot has lost his mind. Syndergaard is only 26 years old. The Mets road to returning to the World Series has to include Noah, any other trade or talk is pure nonsense. You NEVER trade away young talented pitching….oh yeah we once had a young pitcher who threw very hard but had no control and then traded him…that “kid” was Nolan Ryan…
Nolan who? The guy who defaced Robin Ventura? …oh yeah like he ever amounted to anything.
.”….defaced Robin Ventura” LOL !!! That was a classic beat down !!!
Like every article has said the only way the Mets trade Syndergaard is if they get an overwhelming trade offer, something they can’t refuse. If not they have 2 more years of control. And in Brody’s original plan the Mets were built to “win” in the first 2 years, they’re now down to 1. With a 2020 rotation of deGrom/ Syndergaard/ Stroman/ Matz/ and a 5th starter, Mets rotation looks formidable.
Very formidable indeed !!!
You make it sounds like other teams even have a say in an offer. Not so. Mets are dictating who they require, they aren’t receiving any offers at all.
The Mets have had that same rotation minus stroman for a few years now and nothing has changed. Thor hasn’t even looked that good this year and has had durability issues since his debut
You mean the same rotation ( substitute stroman for wheeler) that’s produced 2 straight 70 something win seasons and on pace for a third?
Lol, look out MLB.
Dumbest fan base in sports
Apparently the professional GMs simply don’t value Syndergaard as highly as BRO-dee?
The truth is GM’s do value Noah but want to low ball the Mets !!
I think the Stroman deal was an excellent deal from Brodie. The Mets got Marcus very cheap and have almost all the SPs that are viable to trade at the deadline! Genius! better minor leagues players are coming back soon enough than was just traded. I’m not a Met fan but I believe the Mets are a better team today than before the Stroman deal and that is what you want your GM to do. Why are Met fans bashing him?
Probably because one decent move does not erase all of his other moves.
The Eric Diaz Cano deal seems stupid now but everyone wants Diaz as their closer still! Cano is the culprit to the Brodie complaints but Cano showed no signs of problems till this year. Risk vs gain!. At least he has the guts to make deals, most of these new GMs pee in their pants when cornered to make a decision.
Theres no reason to move Noah at this point so the asking price has to be high. Keep him hes more valuable to us then to any team. If the Padres want Noah it has to start with gore,patino, Baez and say Margot if not the pads can develop their own pitchers.
I think they would be just fine keeping Gore. He’s got frontline starter written all over him. Padres can wait too. Mets do not have a good history of winning trades one way or the other. They gave up quite a talent in kelenic only to dump his return (Diaz) the next year. I highly doubt they get a prospect in same zip code in terms of talent (to kelenic) when they deal Diaz soon. Mets fail.
Haha, that is a laughable comment. Gore has a higher upside than Thor. Thor can’t stay healthy and has never reached his potential. I wouldn’t trade Patino either. This comment… So comical.
Absolutely no chance the Padres trade Gore.
The Mets won’t get Gore or Patino. They may get Baez or Morejon. If Margot is included, you can be sure that none of the rest will be.
Is Franchy Cordero EVER coming back from the IL… and if healthy, can he be a viable alternative in CF?
It’s what the Mets are asking for or nothing? That’s a demand not a negotiation. He’ll stay put.
It’s funny how San Diego thinks by dangling Renfroe, Reyes & Margot in front of the Mets will get them excited about trading Syndergaard. Sure, Renfroe and Reyes provide plenty of pop but last I saw they’re corner OF’s, the Mets have plenty of those. The Mets need a true CF, okay, Margot then. But then you look at his stats, he may have 15 stolen bases & plays great defense in center but he lacks offensive production. Sounds a lot like Juan Lagares minus the steals. So, if you’re the Padres, what makes you think that offering these players would even remotely entice the Mets to trade Syndergaard???
A truly fair package would be:
Padres get: Noah Syndergaard
Mets get: Manuel Margot, Luis Urias, Logan Allen & Andres Munoz
Another low ball tactic among other teams. Perhaps Mets are just testing the market to see what they would get by dangling Noah ?
What makes them think that?
Probably the fact the guy they are dealing with sent kelenic and dunn for Diaz and Cano.
Traded prospects for Keon Broxton.
Signed darnaud, then released him, then watched him get healthy and play better.
Signed Famila
Signed Ramos
Signed Lowrie.
Why would anyone offer anything decent to a GM that stupid?
At this point I’m convinced Anthony Kay will win the Cy Young next year.
The fake GM is so far out of his league is not even funny
I would make that trade minus Munoz.
nope,to much. Margot ,Allen,and ?? 3 players only.
I don’t see the Padres trading Munoz, especially when our bullpen is already struggling.
Its amazing how delusional Mets fans are. No one is giving up that kind of a package for Syndergaard.
Dude minus munoz and add some single a guy and you got a deal.
Urias will not be traded for 2 reasons. He is an incredible talent with .300/.400 and Gold Glove upside. The Padres have no one to replace him this season or next.
Does he just not get it? Here is a little trade guide for the 7/31 deadline.
1. Teams that are most likely to pay big for a player with short control are those that are currently in contention. They want to maximize their ability to win games in the next few months.
2. A marquee player is often difficult to match up with other teams mlb roster as well as their minor league options. Hence the reason why more marquee names aren’t traded.
3. Most teams in the playoff hunt don’t have obvious replacements waiting in the wings for their best assets.
Take those three principles together and it’s clear that Thor won’t get moved with this current mindset.
The deal for Buxton is dead because it violates rules 1 and 3. Basically, any rumored deal that is headlined by a star major leaguer will violate rules 1 and 3. Contenders are far more interested in trading from the farm (which doesn’t impact their present ability to win) or to trade younger players on the team that have potential but aren’t maximizing it now. Their loss in current value is minimal.
Dodgers swoop in at the last minute!
Give us Verdugo and Gavin Lux….!!!
Byron Buxton, arguably baseball’s best outfield defender? Call Boston ask if they will trade 1 for 1 for JBJ.
The Sox would jump all over that trade. JBJ is a slouch with the bat.
His numbers are better than Buxton.
From the Braves perspective I think offering Kyle Wright, william Contreras, Greyson Jenista, a prospect between 20-30 and Touki Toussaint for Thor and Diaz. That gives the Mets a replacement level pitcher in Toussaint, the prospects 4,9, and 14 plus a lottery ticket. My understanding is the Mets lack a catcher prospect and Contreras fits that plus it nets you Kyle Wright. I doubt a trade for Thor and Diaz gets completed especially to the braves without one of their top OF prospects though.
Touki…cool name but not impressed by him at all…
You could replace Touki with Bryce Wilson or kolby Allard but for some reason Touki seems to be valued more.
Syndergaard and Diaz for Pache, Wright, Anderson, Contreras, Wegel that is the deal the Mets would want especially for a division rival.
I doubt the Braves would do that. All 5 of those guys are top 10 in the Braves org. I understand the division rival makes it more expensive
Would rather see them go after a Marte/Vazquez package from the pirates and maybe Lance Lynn or someone comparable. Maybe another reliever from the bargain bin somewhere. Would be cheaper with more value than overpaying for two guys in the division having less than stellar years (compared to prior years)
Brodie was an agent so probably is good at negotiating. I imagine if he wants Thor traded he will take best offer right before time expires.
A load is prospects not good enough….that’s why they are called prospects ! Give up the very top prospect in any system to start the conversation…
Get rid of Conforto. He’s just a boring player like Duda was. Will another Pete Rose ever come to baseball again?
Pete Rose…once in a lifetime player !!!!
Mets will end up stuck with Syndergaard. They want to win in 2020 and with the Braves, Nationals, and Phillies with more talent and as their team is currently constituted they have no shot.
Syndergaard has never pitched a full season in the majors and is struggling now. He is not worth what they are asking. Other executives are saying they are nuts and won’t get close to what they want for Syndergaard or even Wheeler.
Cano will get older and worse. And stuck at 2B since Alonso is at 1B.
Their OF is full of injury problems. Cespedes may never play another game.
Frazier is gone after this season.
The Wilpons will not spend the additional money to win.
As a suffering Mets fan, I have to agree with you!
Stuck with syndergaard?? How’s that a bad thing
22 starts per season in his first 4 seasons. 4.36 ERA this season. Not exactly an Ace.
If the Mets are going to take prospects then call the Dodgers…they seem to have one hellavu scouting and development staff…just cranking out stud player after stud player for years now!!
If the Mets are determined to compete in 2020, it’s a wise move to let Brodie Van Wagenen make personnel decisions for them. His track record is stellar so far.
If that’s the ask it is more sensible to deal him in the off-season
The Buxton ask is odd. I can only think it ask was a “door in the face” approach to try and tenderize the twins to letting go of more prospect capital.
The GM is employed by the owners and owners do not want to rebuild so get use to them trading for major league ready or established players and not prospects. They are not playing this by the modern GM handbook. Get use to it and you’ll better understand what Brody is doing.
Screw off padres we don’t want your established scrubs
Off of last nites game, Noah needs to stay. Wheeler can go but has to be a good deal.