You can add Matt Boyd to the long list of starting pitchers on the Padres’ radar, as MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi reports that San Diego is “evaluating” the southpaw as a potential trade acquisition. Things still seem to be in the exploratory phase, however, as Morosi says no “serious talks” have taken place between the Padres and Tigers.
San Diego has been looking for a controllable front-of-the-rotation arm for months, dating back to offseason reports that linked them to such names as Marcus Stroman, Corey Kluber, Trevor Bauer, and Noah Syndergaard in trade rumors. Syndergaard is reportedly still a player of interest for the Padres, and it’s probably safe to assume that the Friars have at least checked in on virtually any top pitcher who might be on the market.
This search now includes Boyd, who has become one of the most intriguing names of this pre-trade deadline period thanks to a 3.87 ERA, 11.9 K/9, and league-best 7.1 K/BB rate over 107 innings for Detroit. The Astros, Cubs, and Red Sox are some of the teams known to have had some level of interest in the 28-year-old left-hander, who is controlled through the 2022 season.
Understandably, the Tigers want a big haul of young talent back in any Boyd trade, though San Diego’s deep farm system certainly has the quality to meet Detroit’s demands. Morosi also suggests that the Padres could offer Franmil Reyes or Hunter Renfroe off the Major League roster to address the Tigers’ lack of young outfield depth, perhaps even with Nick Castellanos going to San Diego as part of a larger multi-player deal if the Padres don’t want their current lineup to suffer an offensive hit.
Franmil, morejon and another throw in? I’d still prefer stro.
If the friars still believe in Urias as their future 2B then I’d include Xavier Edwards since he’ll be blocked in the middle infield, shopping a Franmil/Edwards/Morejon package could get them a haul like Boyd/Greene or Stroman/Giles imo
I am not sure it would get them both Stroman and Giles…maybe Boyd and Greene though
Boyd and Greene is better than Strowman and Giles
LOL. not even close.
This year, Greene is better than Giles.
Edwards is too valuable to throw in because he’s blocked.
The other thing that seems really strange to me are all these people saying throw in a better prospect to add a reliever like Greene/Giles. You don’t trade from the top of your farm like that. You don’t upgrade the top piece to add the reliever, you throw in a 40 or 45. Buyers know they can just go elsewhere and get that RP alone for a 40 or 45 and they value a guy like Edwards more than a Morejon + 40 or 45… the suggestion that they increase the value of the top prospect to add rather than add depth to the trade in an RP market that has several options is getting frustrating to read. That kind of stuff is just not gonna happen.
Disclaimer… not a Pads fan
He isn’t blocked
I agree, but was referencing what dude said above.
Edwards is more valuable than boyd
You’re drunk.
No, lowtalker is right. I’m not even sure how close it is.
no, he’s not. next.
They should be developing Edwards as a CF. He’s got some serious helium.
Too little for both Boyd and Greene…
If Padres want to sweeten the package with more talent, then they should make a bid for Boyd, and Joe Jimenez (AL All Star last year and future closer having a down year this year)…
Franmil, Urias , Morejon or Gore and others would have to go back to the Tigers or probably no deal..
*click*
For boyd? Lol.
I want Tigers to send Boyd and Castellanos. I want Padres to send Wil Myers, Gore, and Renfroe.
Castellanos hits more than Myers and at end of season will sign contract smaller than Myers to stay. Gore and Renfroe go to Tigers to compensate for Tiger salary eating and Boyd control.
You can want it, but Gore ain’t happ’nin
Gore is still prospect, not solid pro. Moncada was cant miss prospect when going from Red Sox to White Sox in Sale deal. Now Moncada not much special.
Prospects are small cap biomed stocks. Trade them for dividend producing large cap pros like Castellanos and Boyd.
Moncada is on pace to be a 6.0 WAR player. That’s very special.
Have you even looked at Moncadas numbers recently? Haha makes your point invalid.
Yeah but Sale was a top 10 pitcher… Boyd is a #3. And Castellanos blows. He’s barely a starter/caliber player.
Lol. First off Castellanos haa no value to sd. Second boyd isnt worth a single top 100 guy
Are people in San Diego drinking a different type of water than everyone else? Do you even watch baseball? Boyd is easily worth a top 50 prospect. He has 3 years of cheap control remaining on his contract on top of his obvious breakout. You sound like an idiot when you let your fingers type things like that.
I’m from Chicago, Cubs fan. Boyd is not worth not will he get you a top 50 prospect, unless it’s one who’s stock is falling.
Nor
He has been good for half a season. This happens every year, then the carriage turns back into a pumpkin.
@Ejemp2006 learn English.
I believe I saw on another thread that Ejemp said he had moved here from another country recently and was still learning English…
Moncada looks like he will peak at near all star level and have okay career. Worth a controllable great left handed starter? Nope.
Gore is so far from the show, no one knows if his arm will stay healthy.
Still you are right, only because the Padres are not contenders this year or next so they won’t sell so much potential to get a couple more wins this year.
Boyd has had 10/18 quality starts. That’s not that good. Lol like I said you don’t know anything about baseball
Yah, that Moncada guy is a bum. He has only put up 3.5 fWAR in 79 games, which is 10th in the league for position players. Definitely a bust of a prospect.
Boyd is worth a lot more than 1 top 50 prospect.
Analysis of his analytics rate him as a cheaper version of Verlander or Scherzer in many analytical categories including strikeouts to walks ratio where he leads the heavy hitting AL.
It Petco pitchers park, Boyd;s ERA drops at least a full point. especially if you factor in the much better defense of the Padres including Manny and Tatis Jr. NL is more of a pitchers league. Sherzer’s ERA went down when he switched leagues.
Boyd is worth at least a Chris Archer type return like the trade between the Rays and the Pirates (Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows and Shane Baz)…
Boyd is a dominant LHSP who struck out 13 Yankees in a Yankee stadium start, He make only 2.6M and has 3 1/2 years team control left…
On the Padres and many clubs, Boyd is the #1 Starter…
Of course a Cubs fan would say such nonsense since Cubs Execs are kicking the tires on Boyd. It is a ploy of some big market teams like the NYY, Red Sox and Cubs to trash talk some players to try to drive their value down and underpay in trades. It won’t happen with Boyd. Tigers have 3 1/2 years cost controlled, top of the rotation LHSP in Boyd. They can just hold onto him and trade him any time in the next 3 1/2 years when some team gives them a high market value offer or an over pay….
mlb.com/tigers/news/matthew-boyd-strikes-out-caree…
Gore is not going anywhere at all. Not for DeGrom even.
Where would the Padres play another outfielder. Gore isnt worth your whole major league team and farm system lol.
Put the crack pipe down…Multiple expert MLB rating services rate the Tigers vastly improved farm system #11, #10 or #8 in MLB. It will get even better over the next few years with high drafts and trades…
Padres have proven nothing until they make the playoffs and make a deep run.
Talk is cheap.
I’d love to see Gore in a Tigers uniform too but I’ll have to settle for dreaming about it. Maybe — MAYBE — Morejon or Patino, but unfortunately never Gore.
I like the Tigers taking on Myers in order to improve the prospect return. If they can’t get Gore, then they should be able to get Morejon, Petino and Edwards.
If the Pads were willing to sell their top prospects to save money, they just wouldn’t have signed Hosmer. I think the ceiling of the deal is Morejon + lesser guys, the Padres won’t give up too prospects to get rid of Myers, and the Tigers wouldn’t take on more bad money anyway.
Ben if you are correct (I do not agree on your assessment on Boyd’s trade value) then Boyd will not be traded like you predict.
I agree with your assessment that he will not be traded if I am right. I just think they need to build up a track record to get more. It makes sense to wait then.
Padres don’t want Nick Castellanos. No one wants Wil Myers.
And even if the Padres did want Castellanos, what makes you so sure that he would stay?
I keep seeing Myers name thrown around on the Padres website. Maybe he’s gone?
Cuz delusional Padres fans always want to trade their players that they don’t want for other teams’ players that they do want.
every fan wants that. Padres problem is a crowded outfield. Right now Nadar, Renfroe, Reyes are close to untouchable. their names may come up, but it’ll take a massive haul. they should consider cashing in on Mejia while he’s young and to of potential. they got Hedges who may not be great at the plate, but is still good enough to start daily.
How is “Nader” close to untouchable? Has a .600 OPS in the Majors and atrocious defense. If we’re being honest the moment they signed Eric Hosmer his fate was sealed.
Tigers have not interest in Myers or his salary.
Tigers are rebuilding and would only take top young players and prospects in deals.
Padres can make a deal with the Tigers or watch the Dodgers or Astros or Yankees make that deal…their choice..
“Tigers are rebuilding and would only take top young players and prospects in deals.”
Look at the deals for JV and JD… Tigers are more than willing to give away productive players for nothing. I just hope they stop.
I know it’s a division rival but twins plz!!!????!!!!
No. Now go home. Lol
And in other obvious news, the sun rose in the sky today…..
its gonna take a lot more then those two to get the deal done.
I think that’s about the best offer they’ll see. I agree I wouldn’t take it if I were Detroit, look at the return for Geritt Cole for example though. And he had a better history. Teams aren’t trading 2 top 50-75 guys for Boyd. Teams don’t do that.
To be fair, Pittsburgh also gave up Meadows, Glasnow, and Baz for a “strikeout artist” in Chris Archer who was trending downward for a while leading up to the trade. Just because it doesn’t happen all of the time doesn’t mean teams aren’t giving up top prospects; especially if they can get a cost controlled starter for multiple years.
Please keep Hunter Renfroe! Kind of have to wonder how appealing Nick Castellanos is to the Padres. SD has more than enough outfielders, Franchy Cordero is coming back, and Castellanos isn’t that great and is a free agent after this year. Castellanos is leading the AL in doubles.
Boyd is mediocre
If we could only have a whole staff of mediocre pitchers like Boyd…That rotation would be the envy of the league.
Mediocre? You should watch some baseball sometime. You might like it.
Not according to the analytic analyses done on Boyd by the Astros and their media sources…
Why are all the most advanced analytics teams interested in Boyd like the Dodgers, Astros, Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox etc?!
Because Boyd’s analytics are “off the charts” strikeout to walk ratio leads the AL (hitters league)…
In the NL, Boyd and especially at pitchers park Petco, Boyd’s numbers would substantially improve and with better defense behind him and a better offensive team etc….
Seen a lot of things written about Boyd but “front of the rotation starter” is kind of new.
Based on his history, and more results this year, if San Diego doesn’t have better candidates in their farm system than this guy, which they are supposed to have right?
Boyd would only considered a front of the rotation #1 or 2 on a pitching weak second division team in my opinion!
Boyd is a true #4-5 starter, not even close to a ace or#2. I wouldn’t even have him start in a must win playoff game. He’s approaching his max on inning pitched so be prepared for even more of a fall off as the season comes to a end. Facts..
I mean he tossed 170 innings last year. Let’s at least keep it accurate. He could toss 200+ this year if he’s effective. There’s no issue there. Boyd is pitching like a #2/3 this year. What he is moving forward is anyone’s guess. That’s going to depend on his HR prevention. If he’s giving up bombs at 1.5-1.8/9 clip he’ll be more of a 4/5.
Smart people around baseball see Boyd and his potential a lot differently Pickles. Should I trust Astros scouting department or Pickles??
Hey, smart people in the league like Boyd, but a lot of that is value based for the talent I think rather than talent outright. We’ve seen Houston interested reportedly at least, what we haven’t seen is what teams would be willing to part with for him. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but let’s just wait and see at what price the smart people in baseball value Boyd.
I agree Ben with you here for sure.
The Astros would not go for Boyd, only a team that can’t make the playoffs like the Padres or twins would make a trade for Boyd. The teams that make the playoffs know what they need and Boyd isn’t that player
Let me guess Zappa, you prob thought Brandon Inge was gonna hit 40 bombs that year he was in the derby when he had a lucky first half with like 18-20hr or something I can’t remember..
So why has it been reported that the Astros are scouting Boyd heavily? And the Yankees? And the Red Sox? And the Dodgers? And now Atlanta? Are those all teams that “can’t make the playoffs”? Teams know what they need and that is cost controlled starting pitching that can be effective and Boyd checks that box quite well.
Brandon Inge is the best response you had? I’m not even a Tigers fan. Just a person who actually watches baseball. You’re reaching at a pitiful level. Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about and move on, bud. You should post less.
This will be my last post…I actually thought that I was having a conversation with an adult who knows the game. Clearly Zappa got an extra lunch break at Dairy Queen and has time to fight with everyone, getting off on getting under people’s skin with his clear lack of knowledge. Now that I know this is just your thing, I can just laugh. Thanks for wasting my time. You got me. Keep making those Blizzards little buddy.
Hey Pickles, the best GM in the league disagrees with you. Go take a nap, kid.
We get it Boyd is your man crush.
Lol y’all think Boyd’s this ace. Career era 4.84 , last 7 games era 5.15. Y’all nut riders will see at the end of the yr. When his era is back to his norm. Yes he’s getting his ks in, that don’t mean he’s a ace. You have no clue what your talking about.
Best GM in in the league? Lol get real man
The best GM in the league resides in Houston, yes. By far. How is that even up for debate right now? You must be like 12.
Ahh Rocky hating on Boyd again. I am not saying you do not know baseball but there is a reason teams believe his breakout is real and sustainable. NYY and Astros are two of the best talent evaluators in the business and both want Boyd…hmmm
How can my comments be interpreted as “hating on Boyd again” smart guy? And I did say “in my opinion” which I think I’m allowed in the United States!
What breakout for Boyd are you speaking about anyway. And do you we as fans really know what the Yankees and Astros are saying or thinking????
And FYI, yes I think I know a little about baseball….how about you?
Sorry Rocky I did not mean my response on how you took it I guess. When I say you are hating is just me saying how you do not love Boyd like a lot of others do which you have expressed multiple times. I totally believe you know baseball and most on here do as well to different levels.
Of course you can have your opinion it was not meant to be me eliminating your Constitutional rights lol
Zappa Loves and I mean really loves Boyd.
Zappa is a troll. He has no clue about baseball
Only a front of the rotation SP on a pitching weak second division team? First, that sentence hurt my head. Second, your opinion is void, now. You should have to prove you actually watch baseball to post on here.
Your head must hurt most of the time with that comment fool!
YOu’re a bonafide and true jackass!
Lol
And you’re probably 12 years old. Way to look like a tool, Rocky! Stick to failing to discuss baseball. It’s comedy from this end.
keyboard warrior. he’s 14 and picking on someone he thinks is 12.
He’s a number 3
you haven’t.
They do have better options in the farm and they’re not ready. Paddack who is better is nearing his innings limit. Strahm is moving back to the pen. They seriously don’t need another lefty starter
They already got Logan Allen, luchessi, and lauer who are still in the rotation.
Im waiting for a lost Tigers soul who is clueless to mention Gore or Patino in a package.
http://www.baseballtradevalues.com has Patino as a good 1 for 1 trade for Boyd. Gore is a massive overpay.
Castellanos is from San Diego as well. it eould take more than Renfroe or Reyes. Comerica Park is similar to Petco so Castellanos numbers should be comparable. As a Tigers fan this looks like a Boyd/Castellanos for a bunch of prospects and Reyes or Renfroe has potential.
Renfroe and Reyes are probably better than him.
Yes they both are, and I’m probably the low guy on Renfroe
Yeah, empty home runs and an OBP barely over .300. Do all people in San Diego overrate their home team as much as you?
If you’re talking to me I’m a Cubs fan. But it’s not that I like Renfroe, in fact I really don’t. It’s that Castellanos isn’t good. I wouldn’t give up a top 25 prospect in my organization for him even if he had control, especially not in the NL where he’d have to play D.
Oh Christ almighty Hunter Renfroe gives you empty home runs and a .300 OBP? What does Castellanos give you? A half of season of doubles instead of the Hrs?
Exactly
Hahaha exactly. Don’t listen to Zappa he don’t know anything about baseball.
Empty home runs? As you like to say, do you even watch baseball? Hunter it top three in the MLB for most Game winning RBI’s.
That’s a great stat from 1976
Agreeing w JBigz, just for clarity
Lol game winning rbi
Renfroe and Reyes also aren’t FA’s this offseason
Yeah this too. But even if they were…
They be stupid to trade renfroe and Reyes for Boyd lol but I can see that GM doing that.
Why would the padres trade renfroe or reyes for castellanos? Why trade a maserati for a ferrari?
Did you really just call Hunter Renfroe a Maserati? Hahah. That was the most “homer” comment yet.
Dude, you have done nothing but prove that you don’t understand the value of players on either side of this discussion. Sorry to say it. Castellanos has half a season left. Empty home runs? Do me.a favor and look up the top home run hitters in baseball to tie or go ahead in a ball game. Then look up most home runs after the 7th inning. Hint: You’ll find Renfroe right near the top ahead of or just behind Yellich and Bellinger. When you are done looking that up, look up his defensive metrics. This ridiculous narrative of “They are from San Diego so they aren’t good” is tired and inaccurate. IF the Padres acquire Boyd, you are going to be severely disappointed based on your clear misunderstanding of the value of any of the players involved in this conversation.
Question for you Zappa, do you even watch baseball?! Renfroe has been a beast swinging the bat and in the field.
Yeah he has hit a crap load of homers, just keep in mind that historically he has an awful OBP and prior to this season he’s been generally horrible overall.
He does not walk. Well aware. He’s hit 26 hrs each of the last 2 years in limited time. the power has been there. Certainly wasn’t my main point however. Personally I have very little interest in a deal with the Tigers. Plenty of pitching on the way in SD qne fans have waited for it.
Hmm I meant to reply to San Diego Tom when I said that.
Empty HR was referring to Franmil Reyes. So clearly, you can’t stay on topic or you’re just trying to argue since you’re some keyboard warrior. Watch some baseball. Franmil Reyes hits EMPTY HOME RUNS. That’s a generic quote from many inside baseball. Get over yourself, kid. You look sad, now.
I’m 41 years old little buddy. I’m not the only person on here who wasn’t clear who you were talking about since you didn’t say. That’s cute though to berate me because of your lack of clarity. Read your post kid. Please cite the baseball insiders, besides yourself of course, who are using the term “empty homeruns.” Your go-to line is “Watch some baseball!” You are the only person in this conversation who I question whether or not they do. Again, you’ve done nothing but make a fool out of yourself. I wish we could have this conversation in person…no other response that I can give you to being referred to as a “keyboard warrior.” Please, please announce on here, loudly when you visit San Diego next. We can get together and…talk some baseball.
Castellanos is not from San Diego, hrs from Florida.
Castellanos is from Florida
The Padres should just wait til the offseason, go all in on Cole, and then just use their MLB ready arms and hope for the best. I’d have more confidence rolling out one of Morejon, Allen, Quantrill, and eventually Gore and getting the value out of them. Boyd will need a large package to acquire him and there’s some serious regression concerns that come with him.
Padres don’t have Yankee type money lol can’t sign a 100+ mill contract every offseason
Probably not, but they also do not have the “Padre type of money” that they used to. Ownership has showed they are operating in a different sphere than where things were previously. It’s taking a while for the rest of the world to notice that while they pat SD on the head and laugh about Machado signing, etc. Stay tuned.
Really mediocre? you should let every major league scout that there not doing there job correctly. Hey guys Stanley said Boyd wasn’t good, so all you guys are actually wrong. Stanley knows best
Look man, I’m not saying you’re wrong or right, in fact I didn’t even look to see what you’re replying to, but isn’t that what the comments are for?? Speculation, people opinions, throwing out trade ideas? And I’m not sure how you know what every scout is saying… what you see in these rumors are oftentimes writers who are just fans, not what actual scouts say.
The Padres have been looking for a starter for so long it’s just as well that they skip it altogether. Lamet is back, Richards will be back in September. You have Gore, Avila, Allen & Quantrill to try out next spring with Weathers, Cantillo & Patino coming later.
They could use a bullpen piece or two, that would cost them alot less to get and probably help them just as much.
I agree.
Boyd will be a stud if he goes to the Astros!
Not worth it. They need a front of the rotation guy who can go out and start game #1 of the playoffs. If the Padres are giving up good prospects, the deal needs to be for an ace. If they get Boyd for players outside of their top 15, then it could be worth it.
No chance of getting Boyd on a lowball offer like that.
It will take multiple top prospects to even be competitive in the bidding war for
Boyd.
I have seen the Padres rotation.
Boyd would be the Padres #1 Starter if the Padres land him.
Petco Park and the NL are more pitcing and defense oriented.
Pitchers like Sherzer who switch leagues see their ERAs go down from the 3’s to the 2’s…
We have too many Left handed starters with similar numbers no thanks.
from what i’ve heard, robinson canó is playing with too much heart this season, hence the bad numbers.
I would suggest Boyd will not bring back a single top 40, probably even top 60 prospect. If he does bring someone in the 40-60 range, it’ll be someone further away and more volatile like Morejon. Therefore he likely won’t be traded. Suggesting they’ll just keep him otherwise won’t budge the offers past that at all. Giles doesn’t bring a top 100 at all, nor does he upgrade the top prospect in a Stroman deal. He’s been real good this year but dude was so bad he was in the minors last year. Just got bombed. Too much risk. Mad Bum doesn’t pull a top 75 guy, however he shows dominance again his last few starts that could change. And Syndergaard is going to bring 1 piece in the top 25-50, a second bottom of the top 100 piece, and a lottery ticket or two. Will Smith has enough talent to bring a top 100 guy, but may not because of the control.
Guys, look at the recent past deals, Geritt Cole and such, and teams just don’t give up these guys in droves. Yeah the Archer trade, but it was a debacle and teams see this, and honestly the stock was down on Glasnow and Meadows at the time. The Red Sox are the one team that has shown, or Dombrowski has, that he will overpay, and could disrupt this for one of these guys. Typically though, these guys, if moved, are moved for further away more volatile prospects with ceiling. And none of these SPs are even close to elite. Supply matters, but with no studs not enough to make the top guy last available this year worth elite prospects. Teams rarely traded these, and if they do it’s because they feel they’re one piece away.
If Boyd does not bring back a top 40 prospect it is because there are two 50-100 prospects+ in the deal imo.
Hey I think that 2 50/100 guys is less cantankerous so sure. Teams really value their top, top guys. But I think you’ll be disappointed, it’s closer but still more than Boyd will bring. I mean maybe if one is in the 85-100 range. Still think that’s high, but depends on the player’s ceiling. Seriously, go look at the Geritt Cole trade. Yikes.
*Less valuable… not cantankerous… lol autocorrect
Your device autocorrected valuable with cantankerous? WOW!! 🙂
Yeah… trouble with being a lawyer I guess… words like that in your autocorrect… and kind of ironic too lol
LMAO yea ok buddy. After his next 2 starts nobody gonna want anything to do with him.
Sounds like you never watch baseball and have no idea what you are talking about,,
Is Matt Boyd really THAT much better than Joey Lucchesi or Eric Lauer? He’s better of course but not worth mortgaging the farm for the upgrade.
You cannot stumble into 140K/20BB before the all
Star break. I picture Boyd being a low 3 ERA in the NL with over 200Ks each year.
If that is what your current pitchers are or will be then pass on Boyd
Boyd will finish the year with something like a 3.30 ERA, 240/55 K/BB ration and people on here will still say he’s not worth a top prospect. Some people just can’t face reality.
Lol your crazy dude. 4.85era the most hr giving up.
Some people just dont know baseball at all
Wait hahaha. If he goes to the NL, you think his ERA is going to balloon over a run and a half? Are you drunk or is this your first go-around attempting to watch and understand baseball? You just voided all future comments. What an idiot.
Lots of Padres “homers” on this board who vastly overvalue Padres assets and vastly undervalue opposing teams assets like Boyd…
Again, Boyd leads the AL in strikeout to walk ratios, is in the same league as Scherzer and Verlander in many other statistical categories..
Boyd’s mechanics and pitch selections have been changed that lead to his breakout.
Analytics experts say based on his pitching, his stats should be much better and are sustainable for the future…
mlb.com/tigers/news/matthew-boyd-strikes-out-caree…
Well, you can’t stumble into 140 Ks, but his run prevention hasn’t been there even with that. His FIP is 3.57 so that’s an aggressive prediction and I’m not sure where the improvement will come from. If he’s had a 3.30 ERA that changes things and he is worth that, providing the peripherals say it doesn’t look like a fluke, but he hasn’t a 3.87 ERA, which isn’t worth that, and his FIP doesn’t suggest 3.30 either.
News flash nl is better than the al
Well, the DH takes away 1-2 nearly automatic outs per game in the NL so that makes it more difficult on pitchers numbers in the AL… but it’s not that much different.
Let me guess NL fan.
How come Max Sherzer’s stats improved dramatically when he moved from the Tigers in the AL to the Nats in the NL.?!
Knowledgeable baseball fans and professsionals know that the NL is a pitchers league with larger ballparks and rules favoring pitchers.
AL has the DH and some smaller ballparks that favors hitters…
Very Good pitchers stats are much improved when they move from AL to NL….
Scherzer, Randy Johnson and others prove that is a fact,,,,
Same thing will happen if Boyd moves to the NL..
AL has dominated in All Star Games winning something like 8-9 in a row..
AL has also dominated of late in the World Series.
Better players, better league…
Well, Lauer absolutely, yes. Not so much Lucchesi. Better, but not crazy.
Short answer, no.
The fact is Boyd’s had a really good run. Isn’t it fair to be skeptical of a pitcher who was almost left for dead? Isn’t it fair to be skeptical of a pitcher in the AL Central in cold weather in tougher parks than the AL East? I think it’s fair to want to guard top prospects for a guy who’s never come close to tasting playoff pressure or a top pitcher in-general.
I just think Lauer is not very good, not that Boyd is real good.
I don’t buy into the Boyd hype either. He’s trending backward and the support for Boyd is a bit overboard. Didn’t know a stretch of less than a year could garner so much respect.
He’s not at all man
I think Boyd gets traded over the winter, the Tigers want too much for him. Same for Bauer.
Bauer will be free to sign wherever he wants in the off season.
One more year of arbitration for Bauer.
Bauer has one more year of arbitration Einstein
I stand corrected, love the screen name haha
Yeah Bauer not a free agent until after 2020
Why would the Indians trade Bauer? There playing good and gonna catch the twins
Idk about catching the Twins but yeah, they should not be looking to trade Bauer at this point. He probably gets the ball for them in the Wild Card game if it comes to that.
Every time I watch Yoan Moncada; he’s very good. I’d even take him over Manny Machado this season.
I want the Tigers to keep Matthew Boyd. There’s no guarantee any of their high profile minor league pitchers every make it big. Look at Joe Jimenez. He was off limits in previous years. Now, he still pitches like a prospect. Trade Jordan Zimmermann for Allen Cordoba, Jose Pirela, Boog Powell or whatever they can get.
Tigers have been pretty open about what they want. I assume if teams are checking in, then they realize that they’ll have to give up a top prospect or two. If not, they keep Boyd. I agree that a deal probably won’t get done. No rush on Tigers part, and a rotation next year of Boyd, Turnbull, Mize, , Manning, and a (hopefully) healthy Fulmer could be good. Too bad they can’t hit, though.
I wouldn’t assume that. Teams just check in to do their due diligence all the time.
Tigers will never get rid due to their arrogance and lack of know how on how to evaluate talent
If SD includes Gore and Urias, they better be getting DeGrom and THOR back in the deal as that kind of move puts them in the playoffs immediately. Renfroe, Baez, Gore, Urias, Lucchesi, Quantrill, and Hedges all going to NY should do it 🙂
So you wanna abandon the rebuild in favor of a 2-3 year window?
Mets couldn’t get all that in that trade even with those two coming back. You don’t trade half a farm/young guys that big fit two guys
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Padres are gonna go all in on Thor
All in on Thor is like a 25-50 prospect, a 50-100 and a couple lottery tix
My issues with Boyd are 1. Doesn’t have much of a track record and 2. Padres rotation is already kinda lefty-heavy as it is. Lauer, Lucchesi, Strahm, Allen, Margevicius and next year Gore.
Yeah, especially number 1
As a Padres Fan.. I put my faith in AJ Preller. That man is going to end up being Mr. San Diego Sport.. guy has been incredible for my city!
San Diego will def get Syndergaard. The lowly mets will trade him away for just about anything. The NY Mets organization is a big joke.
The only concerns I have about Boyd is a limited track record and playing in a weak division. Saying that I still think that the Padres should trade for him. How about Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen for Boyd?
The division being weak is a pretty bad argument. There are 2 bad teams, and he plays for one of them…
Worst division in the AL and maybe worst in baseball. I cannot definitively say that the AL central is better than any division in the NL either.
AL Central is the worst division in baseball and the best division to pitch in.
Like I said before Boyd has had 10 quality starts out of 18. That isn’t something to get a Chubb over, and his decline is more of a reality of what kind of pitcher he really is.
Hey Pickles you saying your opinion of Boyd over and over does not make it correct. I watch Boyd every start and watch baseball around the league and imo Boyd is real good. He showed flashes last year but took it up a notch this year. Fangraphs and others have explained how Boyd is a different pitcher than in the past and most advanced stats support him as legit high level SP. Some like you just expect Boyd to crawl back to the #5SP he really is but he simply is a different pitcher with more advanced stuff then ever before.
And also fangraphs explains why he’s fading giving up mass bombs. U must be a Detroit fan. It’s alright man, don’t be sad y’all are cheeks year after year. I know Boyd is your idol, but just know, he’s just avg bub.
Trade Boyd for Olivares, Ruiz and Logan Allen and call it a day.
I predict Boyd goes to Philly with a package lead by Bohm coming back to Detroit.
And your crazy if you think they are giving up their best prospect for Boyd.
Syndergaard, Stroman, Bumgarner….all three would be better targets.
Tigers asking for the moon for Boyd. Shaking track record, no thanks.
Will give up less to get Bumgarner.
Who has zero postseason experience? Boyd. He’s been pitching for 4th place teams with zero pressure in the AL Central. I’ll pass.
Philly really wants Boyd and likes his 3 1/2 years of low cost team control.
Philly reports that if a bidding war develops for Boyd, then their offer will come up short…
Yes,all who say boyd isnt worth top 100 prospect is not very knowledgeable. If you break down what he is to make over his next 3 years. The value falls at a top 50 prospect. That’s even as a 3rd starter. Next he is getting more strike outs this year because of the choice of of pitches he throws more. I can name a ton of players who took some time to develop. Rick porcello didn’t just become good in his first two years. Mad max was traded to detroit and took a few years to become good. Also boyd has not had a long list of injury. Home runs are up this year. Justin Verlander has giving up the most home runs. Next if you took away the home runs that boyd gave up his era would be alot better. They aren’t getting 13 hits off him a game. So yeah detroit is going to take a top 200 prospect. I said it first. I bet boyd gets traded for a top 50 prospect and top 100 along with some low level prospects. If they get a top ten prospect then they will get a top 75 plus prospect with it. I’ll be back to say I told you so. You need to know more about controlled years. That’s where the value is at. If he only had one year left he would bring back 1 top 100 prospect and maybe a few low level. So keep thinking he wont net that.
He avgs 5.9 inn pitched per start, he has 10 quality starts out of 18, he has a 5.15 era in his last 7 starts, that’s not a ace pitcher, his avg fb has gone down a little since the start of the season. Pencil in his career era just south of a wonderful 5.0 will be what it is come the end if the season.
When there was talks earlier in the season when he’s had his good stretch of starts when his era was in the low 2s and he was in the top 5 I said by all-star break it be in mid 3s and here we are and I was wrong, it’s almost in the 4s
Pickle I didnt ask for stats. I just made a statement to everyone’s replies that said he wont net a top 50 or top 100 prospect. We can go on all day and night with stats. I’ve said it and I’ll say it again. I’ll be back and say to all those I told you so. He will net a top 50 and a top 100. I also loved when everyone said justin Verlander was washed up. Everyone was making comments on here saying he wont net a top 100 prospect. Makes to much money and he will be done in a year or two. My uncle Dan rohn played for the cubs in the 80s. Hurt is arm. Ryan sandbag came up and took his spot. Then my uncle went on to coach alot of years in triple A as a coach. I know and follow baseball. But no big into spending alot of time chatting on a web site. So my time is done for now. I’ll be back when boyd is traded for some top prospects. This was the same kinda junk talk that was going on when Verlander was traded. Underestimating him. See you soon.
Verlander had a track record tho fella. You can’t compare Verlander to Boyd lol.
And for the record I didn’t say he wouldn’t, he will net a top 100 but in the back end and the team who gets him will regret it.
Yeah this is fair imo
If he doesn’t net a top 50 prospect plus, then he will continue playing for Detroit. That simple.
Yeah agreed. And since no one will likely do that, it won’t raise the price, he’ll just keep playing for the Tigers.
The reason to do a trade: unload Myers contract. He should go to AL and be DH. Get him outta here. Maton too. Do tigers need catcher???? Hedges is terrific.
Maton does not belong on any MLB team. This is coming from a Padres fan. You aren’t getting anything from him. Hedges is a great catcher. As a backup only. He is worth more to SD than he would be in any trade.
If they want Boyd you should have them take Zimmerman too. Great opportunity for a Salary dump.. In an effort to soften the salary differential they could take Kinsler off their hands.