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The Rising Athletics And The Starting Pitching Market

By Jeff Todd | July 16, 2019 at 8:24am CDT

One month ago today, the Athletics sat a dozen games off the pace in the AL West with a dead-even 36-36 record. The Oakland org was still a Wild Card contender but seemed all but buried in the division. That was a mild disappointment for a 2018 playoff team but hardly all that surprising given that the A’s were chasing a powerhouse Astros club.

To say that the fortunes have swung in the interim would be to put it lightly. The streaking A’s have dropped just five of their past 22 games. After blitzing past the Rangers in the standings, they’re laying siege to Houston. With the Astros encountering some choppy waters, particularly in the rotation, the lead has dwindled to a decidedly less-than-insurmountable 5.5 games.

Let’s be honest here: the Houston club still seems the prohibitive favorite. With rather deep pockets, some immense talent just reaching or knocking on the door of the majors, and one of the game’s best core groups at the MLB level, the ’Stros are a legitimate powerhouse. And the padding certainly still factors in; even if all else was equal, the existing 5.5-game lead represents a big head start.

Still, the increasing threat from the A’s creates an interesting dynamic in the division that will have a spillover effect onto the rest of the trade market. These clubs clash directly 11 more times this season, affording the ever-scrappy Oakland org plenty of opportunities to make up ground directly — or for their rivals to kick them back down the ladder. There’s enough of a threat here that the Astros can’t just presume they’ll cruise to a division win. At the very least, they’ll need to account for the rest of the regular season in making deadline acquisitions, rather than simply considering how to structure their roster for an easily assumed postseason run. (That’s a luxury that few teams can afford — only the Dodgers, this year — but it once seemed within reach for Houston.)

What’s most interesting, perhaps, is the fact that these two AL West rivals are set to compete (at least indirectly) in the trade market. The chief need in both cases is pitching, particularly starting pitching, which is also largely true of the other major American League competitors. Teams with controllable rotation pieces — many of whom feature on our recent ranking of the top sixty trade deadline candidates — are no doubt taking uniform measurements for the top prospects currently populating these contenders’ farm systems.

We’ll pause here to acknowledge the aforementioned, division-rival Rangers. While our focus in this post is on the two current division leaders, the Texas club still has an interesting role to play. If they fade a bit further back, the Rangers could have some of the most intriguing starters on offer, with veterans Mike Minor and Lance Lynn both throwing quite well on affordable contracts. If they move back into the picture, at least for the Wild Card, they’d surely be looking to add to their staff. It’s also possible they’ll simply hold. The Athletics’ run will likely weigh to some extent on the Rangers’ decisionmaking; with three game now separating the teams, it makes a surprising Texas postseason appearance feel all the less likely.

To be fair, the A’s and ’Stros haven’t exactly received problematic rotation work to this point. They’ve each had top-ten overall units by measure of ERA. Unfortunately, that doesn’t tell the whole story of where these clubs stand in terms of starting pitching.

As GM Jeff Luhnow’s latest comments reflect, the Astros have an immediate need for a rotation plug, a broader need for a high-level starter or two down the stretch, and a long-term need to account for multiple rotation spots. Brad Peacock’s setback, coupled with some struggles and health issues from young MLB pitchers and top prospects, have left the team with quite a few questions behind aces Gerrit Cole and Justin Verlander and steady veteran Wade Miley. While the club has a few notable position players working back from injury, it’s far from clear that it’ll find solutions to its rotation needs from within.

Over in Oakland, rather improbably, the A’s have received sub-4.00 output from each of Mike Fiers, Brett Anderson, and Chris Bassitt over 15+ start samples. Each of those pitchers has vastly outperformed his peripherals; they hover in the 5.00 range by measure of ERA estimators such as xFIP and SIERA. All of those things are true also of Daniel Mengden, albeit over just 33 1/3 frames and six starts. While the Oakland staff has collectively limited the long balls plaguing most of the rest of the league, it’s reasonable to anticipate regression — perhaps in no small amount.

The A’s just added Homer Bailey, who’ll help shore up the depth. But he’s no replacement for Frankie Montas, the breakout righty who’ll be able to return later this year from a PED suspension but won’t be eligible for the postseason. While the Oakland org has long hoped for late-season reinforcements from the injured list, it remains to be seen what they’ll get. Jesus Luzardo is back on the shelf and seems increasingly unlikely to make his MLB debut this season. A.J. Puk is still building up length and working out the kinks. And Sean Manaea just began his own rehab assignment. Whether and when those talented southpaws will arrive, and what they’ll be capable of contributing, won’t really be known before the trade deadline.

This all sets the stage for something of a showdown between the teams’ respective top baseball ops decisionmakers: Jeff Luhnow of the Astros and Billy Beane of the Athletics. Both have swung notable deadline deals for starters in the recent past. The Houston club’s dramatic acquisition of Verlander will have a prominent place on Luhnow’s GM gravestone. But that was nothing compared to Beane’s all-out 2014 effort, in which he pulled off a Fourth of July double-dip and followed that up with a stunningly clever (some would say too clever) strike for Jon Lester.

Luhnow and Beane have each been here before. They have some excellent trade chips to work with, several of which could instead be utilized as immediate (and long-term) pieces at the MLB level. Will the Astros seriously consider moving Kyle Tucker? What of top pitching prospect Forrest Whitley, a potential top-shelf ace who has run into trouble this season. Could they consider parting with the flamethrowing Josh James, currently working as a reliever, or can Luhnow convince a rival to accept a package of second-tier prospect talent to make the necessary rotation upgrades? On the A’s side, there are endless possibilities as well. Much of the team’s best upper-level talent is presently unavailable due to injuries or suspensions, but that doesn’t mean those players wouldn’t have value to other organizations. Though the A’s probably won’t want to go too wild in pursuit of rental talent, since the division remains a tall order, perhaps they’ll also see the deadline as an opportunity to add pieces for the future.

It’s equally possible to imagine either organization taking a fairly measured approach to this deadline. Luhnow has in the past been quite judicious in parting with top prospects that he sees as part of the long-term vision. And the A’s might not be willing to sell low on their own most interesting trade pieces, preferring to keep gathering affordable and decent depth pitching while waiting and hoping for a future with a rotation full of cost-controlled aces. But the potential for fireworks is certainly there, and the A’s mid-summer charge could just light the fuse.

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  1. GB85

    6 years ago

    The Blue Jays have a pretty long trade history with both of these clubs, and Stroman would be a nice fit for both.

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    • TennVol

      6 years ago

      Agreed. Stroman would thrive there surrounded by top talent and a very good defense which has hurt Stromans ERA because the Jays defense is pedestrian at best.

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      • Sentinel

        6 years ago

        Don’t need him. Even if they don’t make the playoffs, the future is next year. Fiers, Manaea, Luzardo, Puk and Montas as starters. Forget about the PED stuff on Montas. He was good this year because he added a splitter which was dominating. Management has been doing well about pushing votes through for a new stadium and that is going to help the team retain players if or when they get the okay for building.

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        • Buzz Saw

          6 years ago

          Luzardo can’t stay healthy. Puk hasn’t even pitched an inning in the majors.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          And the tremendous upside makes up for his injury troubles this year. As usual these young pitchers are making mechanical adjustments to make sure they don’t get hurt again. There are bound to be kinks when you take that kind of load and disperse it elsewhere within your body.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          Terrible call: the A’s only have 3 good SPs in Fiers, Anderson and Bassit, and two of those are massive injury risks. Stroman is like Brett Anderson but twice as good and not as injury prone.

          A’s have a massive surplus in prospects, they have no need for any 3B or 1B anytime soon, there’s zero reason for Sheldon Neuse to be in this org, he’d be a fine piece to put along 2-3 others to package together to get a SP better than Mike Fiers.

          Also LOL at your perspective on this season not mattering – ummm if you contend now, you contend now. Zero front offices think like you. Its not just reality. Please join reality.

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        • Ryanlyle

          6 years ago

          Daniel Mengden is a better pitcher than Chris Bassitt, Mr. Expert condescending Guy. All the peripherals and just watching the game make it obvious.

          You seem to be kinda bluffing your way through what you’re talking about given that glaring omission.

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    • sacball

      6 years ago

      The Jays are set at the positions the A’s are willing to deal from…

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      • athleticsnchill

        6 years ago

        And they very likely don’t fet any of our pitching prospects. I think after 2014 Billy and David are over not having pitching depth.

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  2. oaklandfan22

    6 years ago

    Please stay put! No need to deal any of our assets for a rental. We have ample talent within the organization, really like the position this club is in as of right now.

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    • Badfinger

      6 years ago

      Stroman isn’t a rental. He’s signed through next year.

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      • athleticsnchill

        6 years ago

        Which is going to make him expensive, and we’re not set enough that we can trade a top prospect for him. We need to hold on to guys like Mateo, Murphy, etc., until we have a good idea of what we look like next year.

        Second base and catcher is kind of a black hole for us in terms of depth.

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        • bowserhound

          6 years ago

          It will be interesting what the middle infield looks like the next few years. I’m hoping the SS depth makes Semien affordable, or Mateo/Nuese switch to 2nd. Barretto is just there to save face for the Donaldson trade.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          Murphy yes, Mateo, no way. Beane should sell high on him. A’s have like 100 middle INF prospects, Mateo is surplus. Barreto might even be too.

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      • Asfan0780

        6 years ago

        If the coat is Dustin Fowler and another top prospect I’d do it but it’ll coat much more and one plus seasons of stroman isn’t ideal for A’s sign he’ll leave via free agency

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    • RootedInOakland

      6 years ago

      Yea I’m out on any of the big guys but I think a trade for Tony Watson to add a somewhat cheaper LHP to the back of our pen would be great. Buchter has been trash and Watson would pair well with our middle relief core of Soria, Petit, Treinen and Trivino

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      • Asfan0780

        6 years ago

        Go back to royals and trade for mike montgomery. Wouldn’t cost much since he’s struggling and royals rebuilding anyways
        S

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        • RoyalsFanAmongWolves

          6 years ago

          No you can’t have mike as he’s starting on friday, but you can have Jake Diekman. Or tim hill.

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        • athleticsnchill

          6 years ago

          Probably won’t go after another lefty pen arm.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Explain why the A’s need to keep any minor league 3B or 1B or even Mateo in the org. You cannot. The A’s have a legit chance at the WORLD SERIES this year, and I would hope they made as many trades as possible to make that happen, as long as Murphy, Puk and Luzardo all stay there’s no serious reason to keep all this depth. Pinder is rotting away at MLB for crying out loud. The A’s don’t even have enough ABs for their current 25-man roster, why do they need 45 guys? They don’t.

      MAKE SOME TRADES BILLY, TRADE!

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  3. GarryHarris

    6 years ago

    When asked if Al Avila is going to trade DET pitchers away by July 31, he responds that he doesn’t know because there are allot of pitching to be had from other teams. I don’t see allot of those pitchers he was referring to. Other teams at the bottom aren’t going to trade away their entire staffs.

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    • getright11

      6 years ago

      Look A LOT harder

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      • astrosfan4life

        6 years ago

        Haha thank you

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  4. arc89

    6 years ago

    A’s have assets to trade that will not hurt the farm. they have OF Bolt, martini, and Fowler. Neuse a good defensive hitting 3B. They should be able to get some relievers for them. Off limits should be mateo and Murphy along with any young starting pitcher.

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    • sacball

      6 years ago

      Until Murphy can prove to be healthy and not miss multiple months each season, then I would consider him untouchable.

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    • athleticsnchill

      6 years ago

      I wouldn’t consider moving Bolt yet. Switch hitting, power hitting outfielders are hard to come by, and he has been very consistent this year.

      Both our COF spots aren’t all that set. I’m honestly not sure if Piscotty sticks around after this year unless he comes back and stays scorching hot through the end of the year.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Piscotty is signed for a long, long time. He’s an A until 2023.

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  5. Finlander

    6 years ago

    Think Houston is nice fit for groundball pitcher Stroman. Toronto needs an outfielder. Why not Tucker? Nice left-right combo at 3-4 hitting slots with him and Vlad Jr…Astros have Yordan, who shot past Tucker. Deal has to be a package to balance contract controllability, but nobody else has a Tucker in their system to offer. Houston can grab what they want, and they do Tucker a favor by sending him to a spot with opportunity and huge young talent.

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    • Strosfn79

      6 years ago

      Tucker is not available

      The Astros top 4 OF will all be free agents after next year.

      They have a glut of pitching and infield prospects.

      They even may overpay in those prospects because they can’t afford to give up outfield prospects.

      They do have Derek Fisher Tony Kemp Myles Straw and Drew Ferguson who could be had. All are different level of development but all have some value.

      Of course I realize at least 2 other players would need to be included

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Tucker gets Houston a heckuva lot better pitcher than Stroman.

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      • Finlander

        6 years ago

        Of course he would, that’s why I mentioned a deal has to be a package. Giving up Tucker would require more than Stroman in return, maybe a decent reliever and a prospect. But while many of the other teams are shopping for a #1 (Oakland, Twins, NYY), Houston already has Verlander and Cole in place. Stroman would fit nicely as a #3 for playoffs, better situation with less pressure. Tucker is steep – obvious – just saying Houston has that piece to offer to the OF-hungry Jays if they choose to do so…nobody else does. Yordan Alvarez has made cashing in on Tucker and/or Derek Fisher at least an option, IMO.

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        • Strosfn79

          6 years ago

          Fisher, Drew Ferguson, or even Myles Straw should be available

          Ferguson is a talent few talk about, is having another good year and would need to be put on the 40 man roster or exposed to the rule 5 draft again this offseason

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