According to hearsay purveyed by the MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, the Tigers have been indicating to interested teams that they will be seeking an “established young MLB star” in any potential deal involving starter Matthew Boyd (Twitter link).
As Heyman points out, Boyd does figure to be one of the better arms available in what he terms a “seller’s market.” With twenty teams currently sitting in playoff position or within 5.5 games of a Wild Card berth, it stands to reason that only a few clubs will be looking to enter liquidation mode with more than two months still to play in 2019. Detroit GM Al Avila may be trying to play this situation to his advantage–today marks the second time in fewer than thirty days that we have heard reports from Detroit indicating a sky-high internal valuation of the admittedly sturdy Boyd.
Back in June, MLB.com’s Jason Beck conveyed that the Tigers were seeking a package in return for Boyd similar to the one the White Sox received in the 2017 Jose Quintana trade – a deal that saw the Cubs part with Eloy Jimenez, Dylan Cease, and two other prospects in exchange for a decidedly unsexy middle-of-the-rotation arm.
Many will question whether Detroit is justified in asking for the moon in exchange for Boyd. Since exiting his June 14th start against the Twins–an outing that saw him throw seven innings of three-run ball–Boyd has seen his season ERA jump from 3.08 to 4.13 across six poor showings. Put another way, Boyd has not thrown a quality start in nearly five weeks, and it is hard to imagine a team sacrificing foundational pieces for a player going through that kind of rough patch.
Still, the lefty is under contract for an affordable $2.6MM this year, and offers three more seasons of arbitration control as a former Super Two qualifier. Plus, his 4.13 ERA across 120 innings isn’t half as impressive as his sterling K/BB ratio or FIP numbers (6.67 and 3.56, respectively, in case you were wondering). Though pinpointing what, exactly, constitutes an “established young MLB star” is a worthwhile debate in itself, it seems safe to say the Tigers won’t be parting lightly with their widely coveted top starter.
F no
I’m super skeptical about boyd but if the price is low enough I think he can be a great pitcher for the padres Bc their Park is pitcher friendly
In order to acquire an “Established Young MLB Star” shouldn’t they have to give up an established MLB star at the very least? Boyd is neither established nor a star and at years older than Manny Machado or Bryce Harper I would hardley call him young either. Basically the Tigers are asking for a player that is proven to be better than Boyd in every possible way. Why do the Tigers need established talent anyway? It’s not like they are going to contend any time soon. They should be going for a slew of cheap top prospects so some of them might be able to contribute when they actually have a chance to contend. I get the fact that Boyd has an excellent K/BB ratio and that he is under team control for 3+ years but they are basically asking for a better player than him in a better contractual situation than him. If they were smart they would trade him now to the team that offers the highest ranked future prospects in return. Neither Boyd nor any “Established MLB Star” will even be on the Tigers roster by the time they shed enough worthless salary to contend.
Look, you don’t go in low & setting a high mark is fine as long as teams ante up decent packages, Avila will take one. It’s postering & negotiations are ongoing. JV package got better in the last 5 minutes so let’s wait to see before we blow it up.
In this day and age, I can’t imagine any gm giving up anything special for Boyd.
Lol this. They’re delusional if they think they’re getting a young mlb star for Boyd. Wtf??? Lol
Ask for the moon I guess and see what you get
Had the Dodgers not been a pile of morons and gave up Alex Verdugo THEY would have got Verlander and likely a world series championship.
Boyd is not Verlander but not making a move can be dumber than holding on to future talent.
It really is determined by who Detroit considers an established young star. Someone like Torres is out of the question but Andujar shouldn’t be far off. I know quite a few Yankee fans are going to skewer me for that but Andujar is a bat only player who has had one good season. The Yankees should have him on the block for pitching. It’s not like he is going to help this year. Plus, he reminds me of Pedro Alvarez when he was a bat first 3rd baseman. He isn’t worth a bucket of balls these days.
Yeah. It seems like there are too many bat only guys recently. I am surprised the Yanks went after EE when they already had so many and needed starting pitching more.
EE is working out great for the Yanks. they know what they are doing. Still would like to see Frazier but they probably will need to give him up to get a Boyd or Stroman. And a bit more.
Yeah. Yanks are doing awesome this year especially when you consider all the injuries. I just found the EE acquisition a little curious. They already had a ton of power hitting. I sometimes think they may have been better off keeping Frazier on the roster and spending basically the same amount of cash on Keuchel instead of EE. That way they could have helped their starting pitching more because it seems like they needed more fortification there than in the power department. It seems like the difference between their #5 pitcher and Keuchel would have benefitted the team more than the difference between Frazier and EE.
it also was more strategic. keeping EE away from prospective playoff teams
also a strategic move, keeping him away from prospective playoffs teams
They’re outta their damn minds
They’ll settle for a barely top 100 prospect or not trade him. No ones paying that or even remotely close
Going 1 step beyond that, the teams that will overpay for Boyd are contenders. What contender is going to part with an established piece of their offense? If they mean they want to take a chance on a package around Andujar or something like that, sure. That’s a young established MLB star at some level. But they aren’t going to get an Acuna or Albies or anything remotely close to a true established MLB star from a team that’s trying to win.
2 years also isn’t enough time for a rebuilding team to take an early shot at competing.
So he’s essentially ruled out the entire league on that proposal, which is code for I’ll trade him for the best available package, but I’m not afraid to hang onto him. But they should be afraid to hang onto him.
Good points imo
Exactly, see Michael Fulmer.. they won’t trade him because the asking price is way too high. And then in a year or two as he regresses the league will be quite happy they didn’t overpay for a 3(at very best)-5 starter…
Wow wow so your saying Andujar and a package WTF so your saying that andujar is an average player or that albies is better then him is just crazy. I always say forget the names just look at the stats and how can you compare the 2. That sounds just as crazy as the tigers asking for Torres. They should have asked for Frazier and probably got him now the Yankees wont even give them him.
Albies can play defense. Andujar cant.
Yankee fans thinking their players are better than everyone else’s…..
Do you think that Andujar is better than Albies?
Wrong on both points imo
Yes he is if that is really wha he thinks he will get. I’m thinking he shooting for the moon but will settle for a couple potential stars:)
Boyd isn’t gonna get a package anywhere near the Quintana one. At least Quintana had a track record and even then that trade was panned. No way anyone gives up anything like that for boyd. Dude strikes guys out and nothing else
Hahahahaha. Why would a contending team trade away a young star?
LOL. Do they really think they are even going to get a top 100 prospect for him? 4.13 ERA for season and over 6.00 ERA in June and July. 4.87 career ERA. Not exactly a tremendously valuable pitcher.
He’s certainly worth a top-100 prospect, possibly two, especially because of his team control. They won’t get an established “star” but I could see them getting an established player. Maybe Winker from the Reds would make sense, with another one of their prospects in the 5-10 range and maybe a third, lottery ticket type. I’d definitely be interested in getting Boyd if I were the Reds, since Roark and Wood are pending FA. I think Derek Johnson could work some wonders on Boyd and help him really take the next step.
Trammell and India for Boyd..You still want Boyd?
Dustin I get that you’re a tigers and a boyd fan but that’s just not going to happen on any level. You’re vastly overvaluing him.
I doubt Cincy would give up Winker since they are likly to lose Puig this offseason. But they might give up both Jose Peraza and Philip Ervin. Those two plus a rookie ball player with upside could work.
Boyd is overrrated. People are talking about him like he’s Bauer or Bumgarner when he’s really a guy who’s never had an ERA under 4.
The media is going all Chris Archer on him, except Archer actually had a couple good seasons when the media decided he was an ace somehow when the bottom line numbers never backed it up.
Yea, good luck with that. At best, they’ll get a prospect in the top 50-100.
Because they are absolutely insane. I don’t want him on the braves and we better not give up anything great to acquire him if we ultimately do
Avila is crazy for his ask and you are crazy for not wanting Boyd on Atlanta.
Why would Atlanta want another pitcher with an ERA over 4 that is HR prone? That’ll definitely put them over the top…
ATL needs a TOTR pitcher, not a middle of the road or backend type. ATL has enough right now to make it to the postseason. It’s about advancing once they get there. And a guy like Boyd doesn’t get that done. Sure he has team control, but an ehh player isn’t worth too prospects team control or not. Team control is nice when the player is good/great. Team control of mediocre is okay, but not something you give up much for. Not as a contender anyways. ATL has options that can do what he does already so no we don’t want to give anything up for him.
*top
Atl would be better off with Bauer, stroman, or bumgardner…
I’d swap Teheran or Toussaint for Boyd. I imagine he would be an improvement and he’s cheap. If he isn’t, they can let him go.
I recall another ex-Tiger pitcher doing quite well in Atlanta.
He has like a high 4 career era and his WHIP is like a 1.3. Those are brutal numbers. And I know era doesn’t hold the same value it once did, but it still holds some value and needs to be recognized when it’s freaking awful. The braves don’t need him nor should want him. They shouldn’t even consider him for a top 30 prospect much less a star
Good luck on that Detroit.
Ok, so that means the Tigers will be keeping him. No contending team is trading away an established young star for a 28-yr pitcher who has never even had ONE great year. He’s got good stuff, but has never put it all together.
Lets’s get this straight. When Matthew Boyd was pitching well in June the Tigers were seeking a deal commensurate with the Jose Quintana trade that netted the White Sox two elite prospects in OF Eloy Jimenez and SP Dylan Cease. Since then, Boyd has pitched poorly and now the Tigers are wanting an “established young MLB star” per Jon Heyman.
Seriously?
My guess about Heyman is that one of these three theories is accurate…
1) He concocts a series of scenarios and theories about a player being talked about in the news and then attaches each story to a dartboard and then throws a dart and the story he hits with the dart is his latest tweet by an unknown source.
2) He suffers from bipolar disorder and smokes entirely too much illegal narcotics, to which point he leaks “secret organizational gossip” to himself as an “unknown source” and when he sobers up, forgets that the leak was just an utterance brought about by too much smoking.
3) There really are sources who leak stuff intentionally to strengthen their organizational position, and those few nuggets of insight allow them to spend the rest of the time hazing the heck out of him with improbable and generally outlandish theories that rarely sync with the real outcomes.
Truth be told, I would immediately cross-off any Heyman scenario and trust in another outcome occurring as the few correct guesses he has shared are so infrequent that betting against him offers a higher rate of success.
Well done, Cindy.
*Cincy
The pitching market has also changed since then. Look at the guys thought to be available even a month ago. MadBum, Bauer, and Ray’s (and possibly Grienke if Ari was going to consider it) teams are back in playoff push positions, Wheeler is hurt, Syndergaard is going nowhere with what the Mets are asking, it looked like the Nats could sell off some guys but they’re right back in it…. That leaves Boyd and Minor as probably the top 2 candidates that can easily be moved and there are a lot of pitching needy teams. Now I’m not saying they will get a young star in return, but I understand how their price could have gone up despite lackluster results recently.
Pretty sure that no one is going to give up as much as the Tigers want. Most teams have scouted Boyd extensively at this point and understand that he’s a #4 or #5 starter on a strong team. A couple of midline prospects would probably be an overpay for him at this point. He’s really struggled the past few games and really watched his stock fall. The way Avila is backpedaling on his original asking price is confirmation that they’re really going to take whatever they can get within reason.
Dudes a 4 or 5 on a weak team too lmao
You could not be more wrong on like 3-4 things in your comment.
What exactly is he wrong about. Everything he said is spot on.
1. 120 innings
160Ks
20+BB
3.56 FIP
That is not a 4-5 SP
2. A couple solid prospects is not an overpay..Every team in baseball would trade two decent prospects for Boyd if that is all it cost.
3. Avila is not back pedaling on his ask. It has been crazy high the whole time.
4. During this tough month he still had elite K/BB and in today’s game that has helped his stick not to fall. Same teams still want him.
Your comment was even worse tbh
He won’t trade him. Dustin I understand your 2 decent prospects ask but depending on what decent is he probably won’t get them, so he’ll hold, and he should. But asking for a young MLB star is beyond ludicrous. That’s a non-starter with every one of the other 29 teams. Immediate hang up.
recent history suggests that is unsustainable for him.
I could see someone giving up a top 100 type, but not an elite prospect as a headline
maybe an everyday starter if they have a surplus… but not a ‘star’ as a headline..
Probably better off to keep him, hope he finishes the season strong and then deal him in the off season. at his salary doesn’t hurt much to gamble on a bigger pay out.
Sure all his peripherals are good, but he has not had one good year run prevental wise. Teams don’t want to give up so much for a guy who maybe works out.
I hear ya Ben
Great point imo
Ks and FIP don’t mean jack if you’re not helping your team win games by limiting runs. Which he isn’t at all.
How about Dom Smith?
Avila just got an extension when his team is a turd, I’m fairly certain he has no reasonably objective idea on players values. If Avila did know what he was doing, he wouldn’t have signed a fat DH to a $30-40M/yr. deal, nor would he have managed to decimate his major league roster to the point it is one-dimensional players and lottery picks. Sure there’s some jewels if you squint and are patient, but they should’ve traded guys like Castellano when his value was higher and should have got more for Martinez or resigned him. Clearly one of the most average to below average GMs in the game.
Cincy, Dave Dombrowski had chances to trade Castellanos, but repeatedly insisted he was “untouchable”. DD also traded for Miggy. Mike Ilitch insisted on throwing crazy money on his extension.
@bball freak
How is going from a Quintana package, to an established young star backpedaling? Sounds like the ask was high, and is still high.
I think a fair trade would be,—>Seth beer for Boyd straight up.
Lol
Hopefully Touki and Wright are established enough because I hope they are gone soon.
You’re crazy dude Touki is only 23 and Wright hasn’t even exhausted his prospect status yet. You have got to be the most impatient guy ever
Way to early to give up on Touki or Wright. I was thinking Duval or Ender?
why. why do Braves fans keep trying to pass off Duvall as anything trade worthy? He’s minor league depth, nothing more
Not all Braves fans are idiots. I’d give up Touki or Wright fast. or do a bigger trade and get the closer also
Just trying to sell high while he’s leading the league in HR just like the Tigers are trying to sell high on Boyd’s first half. I’d rather use Touki or Wright as pieces to get a closer (which is the much bigger need) or Stroman.
Lay of the pipe. They wouldn’t take Ender or Adam. They want good players
and playoff teams want SP that don’t give up a ton of runs…
They would take Camargo and a young pitcher.
Even after seeing these comments, another GM should (and will) reach out, when the Tigers don’t get the offers they expect they could revert back, in saying that they don’t have to trade him, would make sense tho. Like it would to probably trade Fulmer next year if he recovers well
Padres for both Allen’s,OF,Naylor because Hosmer is blocking him?
Dodgers Lux,Smith or Ruiz,May and so on?
Cardinals Gorman,Urias,OF Prospect,Knizer and so on Pitcher?
You’re not getting any of those guys. Maybe naylor
Rays have Infielders to give up and could use a SP,Greene,Cabrera if will to Waive his No Trade cause.
The Dodgers are not trading any of those dudes.
Boyd will bring back one prospect you’ve heard of. He won’t be a potential star. Unless you’re a big dynasty player or something obviously.
Dodgerd are not trading that for Boyd get a grip. They aren’t moving Lux for anyone.
Not surprising. Typical deadline talk for a GM of a non-contending team with a young player multiple contending teams might want. We hear it every year.
And people pay the price nearly every year as well.
You obviously havent been paying attention.
I guess I should feel bad if it came obvious to a Padres fan.
The only team that’s paid the price off the top of my head is Pittsburg. Jays and Tigers paid fair for Price, Astros paid fair for Verlander, Dodgers paid fair for Hill and Darvish.
The only overpays come for the relievers, doesn’t even matter if they’re that great.
Price, Hill, and Darvish are different animals because they were rental starters. Verlander was an established starter, but he came with a big contract, so he’s not a good comp either. Archer is a good comp and that cost was very high. The Sonny Gray to the Yankees deal is also a good comp.
Boyd is not an established ace, but he come with a lot of cheap team control like Chris Archer. He won’t cost as much as Archer or Gray because he has not accomplished as much, but the cost will still be significant.
I think the best comp will go back to 2016. Matt Moore traded to the Giants for established MLB star Matt Duffy, 1 fairly notable prospect in Lucius Fox and 1 lotto ticket prospect in Michael Santos. That seems to be the type of package the Tigers are looking for here.
I just forgot to add Gray and Moore, I don’t think they were overpays at all, they just diddnt work out. My point I’m trying to make is that teams haven’t overpaid for starters at the deadline like they do for relievers. The only obvious overpay has been the Pirates and that’s been known since the trade was announced. I think the Tigers will get a fair package, but it’s not likely they get a huge overpay.
He was pitching over his head in the first half and isn’t worth giving up a top 100 prospect. PASS!!!
An established, young MLB star for a #4 starter? I mean, the guy has had a good year overall, but hasn’t pitched well in June or July, and his history isn’t exactly stellar. I think a solid MLB prospect (someone within the top 100) plus another throw-in, maybe.
Avila knows he’s talking out of his butt. Those are the kind of comments that are meant for fan consumption, nothing else……
Nothing to do with Boyd but to hold him, hope he can flip it around a bit, and look to the winter. He MIGHT be feeling the pressure of being a trade chip; a real feeling. If that’s the case, how’s he going to feel in front of 40,000 screaming loonies in NY, Boston, Houston et al?
It’s not a bad idea to ask. Giving him away for less than that doesn’t help Detroit. They would be better off keeping him if trading him doesn’t improve the team. It’s not like they are losing him in the offseason. Plus I think everyone is interpreting the definition of star incorrectly in this instance. Detroit is probably just looking for an established young MLB player instead of a top prospect in A ball as the headliner of a deal.
I think a good thought would be Nomar Mazara + a couple of prospects from Texas. That’s not an unreasonable offer or an unreasonable ask. Perhaps a Nick Williams or Scott Kingery led package from the Phillies. A Harrison Bader led package from St Louis? The possibilities are there for a deal.
This comment is dead on
Great post imo
Plus the report said in a couple cases that was the ask. I’m sure just prospects were the ask in other potential deals imo
I don’t Mazara would be a good fit in Detroit. He’d have to move to first or DH playing in that park and think that they should look for something better than that.
I wasn’t necessarily meaning Mazara specifically, just a player on his level. Although I think Mazara could be an adequate replacement for Castellanos in RF.
Curious to see if this year creates more market value for a guy like Boyd without the waiver option. Plus, maybe it’s just because the current season is always freshest in memory, but it seems like there are more teams in contention this year than past seasons.
An established young star? What do they mean by that?
Do they expect Alex Verdugo?
Acuna Jr?
Bregman?
Get real… Tigers might get a top 100 prospect and then maybe a marginal prospect at most. Avila is asking for an established star? NO WAY!!!
“According to hearsay purveyed by the MLB Network’s Jon Heyman”… I’m calling BS on this report. It doesn’t make any sense.
I think you are about two levels too high when thinking of the type of player we are thinking of here. Bregman and Acuna are All Star level. They are probably looking more in the line of a player capable of starting and producing in the big leagues right now instead of someone with potential that will do nothing this season except help your AA team make the playoffs.
Camargo
Maybe that would work. Carmargo isn’t getting enough work to be effective off the bench.
Bye collective Felicias!
You drive a hard bargain, Avila. Adam Frazier, it is.
Easy pass.
Any team looking to trade for the top of rotation arm he was to start the season will be tremendously disappointed. He still will have a ton of value having cheap control of a guy who can give you above average innings
Pirates could trade them plenty major league players. We could trade them polanco and Adam Frazier
Who is right will trade a top young player for Boyd? His ERA is terrible and he plays in a pitcher friendly park.
His FIP is better than Stroman, Bumgarner, Kershaw, and L. Castillo. His K/BB rate is the best in the AL… Scouts aren’t looking at his ERA lol………
He isn’t an ace but he’s far from terrible.
His FIP is 0.06 points better than stroman and like 0.10 points better than Bumgarner with far higher ERAs than either.
Cool story. He gives up more runs than those dudes every 9 innings, which is the only thing that actually matters.
He plays in a pitcher friendly ballpark in the American League, and I haven’t heard someone mention ERA as a worthwhile stat in the last ten years.
Really? Maybe you haven’t been paying attention but ERA is still a viable stat. Also how does having a 4 ERA in a pitcher friendly park help his case exactly
I believe Comerica rates out as a neutral field not a Pro pitching field.
Why is it that people think things don’t matter just because they are ill-informed? I’m pretty sure there are lots of things on Earth that qualify as worthwhile that they don’t discuss with you specifically.
Boyd is probably the most unpredictable trade asset on the current market. He has almost no track record of success outside of this half season in which he really hasn’t pitched that great. However, some of his peripheral stats are reflective of an elite level pitcher. which could make several teams wonder if he has reached his ceiling yet. His K/BB rate is incredible and I truly believe he’d excel in the national league on a more defensively competent team.
He almost certainly won’t be dealt at the trade deadline, this situation seems more like a winter meetings trade. I predict he’ll be dealt to San Diego in the offseason if he can maintain this level of production throughout the second half.
Padres receive: Matthew Boyd & Joe Jimenez
Tigers receive: Xavier Edwards, Josh Naylor, and Logan Allen
So they’re gonna trade him for Blake Swihart?
Only if the Dbacks include Refsnyder….
Rangers will give you about tree fiddy for him
yeah, i’d like that too but not going to get an ‘established star’ from a contender and like hard to get from a fringe team.
Maybe someone like the pirates will give you a mostly every day starter like Frazier or Moran and some change (in terms of lower end prospects) since both can be replaced by prospects. Or even a Polanco (injured) could be an option but probably hard sell especially with the injury.
At best hes a mid rotation guy, at worst (like two years ago) hes a quad-A guy. The cheap control might drive his price up some.
Still i’d like him for the pirates, lefty they need that has had some moderate success.. For prospects i’d give up someone like Swag and a Kramer/Craig type with some change… if that where offered it would probably be one of the better offers.
Swag and Cruz possibly
IMO: too high of a price. Swag OR Cruz.. + a handful of lower prospects.
Swaggery or Cruz…lol.
pirates need to keep one of the two. swag has a bit more value in trade as hes more predicabe.
note: im not just saying just one to one trade, id assume some lower prospects or mlb depth be heading back too.
I wouldn’t trade either of them for Boyd. I wouldn’t even consider it.
Hahahahahahahahaha, what a joke Avila is! Such a shame what the Illich family has done to this once proud franchise. After watching their father pour his heart and soul into his Tigers these entitled little brats are destroying this team. Boyd has proven nothing to deserve an ask of this magnitude.
The father is what got them into this mess. His never ending quest for a WS led them to sign Miguel Cabrera and Jordan Zimmerman to terrible albatross contracts that sunk their ability to sign actual worthwhile free agents.
F, I think we’re still paying a portion of Prince Fielder’s salary and he’s been out of baseball for years.
The Cabrera contract was fine that guy is a baller and has earned every penny of his contract as far as I’m concerned. I’ll give you the Fielder one as being bad though. My point is that at least Mike Illich and Dombrowski tried to win. Their successors have done nothing but put an incompetent GM in place that continually over plays his hand and is left with nothing to show for his efforts. His handling of Fulmer, Castellanos and now Boyd has been a complete hinderance to the franchise. Until Avila is replaced with a competent GM the tigers will remain irrelevant.
Chris, the payroll is at $105MM. There is no reason another $40-$55MM could not be spent now. This would bring the payroll to about where it should be for their market. How would this team look with those additional players? Assuming, of course, they were not JZ types.
The Miggy/JZ/JV/ Prince arguments don’t really hold water. Not when you are at $105MM with them included.
Phillies will trade for him..
He would be Phillys #2SP and a nice compliment to Nola imo
Philly could use him badly. Lol. Their offense is there, they just need pitching.
Dom Smith,Gimenez,Nido,Gsellman and a pitching prospect to Detroit for Boyd,Greene and McCann
No thanks
And huh? McCann?
There is currently no McCann playing for Detroit.
Sorry I thought James McCann the catcher was on the team
next year i believe the twins have 2 returning starters.. They also Have Sano who has 2+ years of control left.. sounds like a deal to me .. hahahahahahahaha
Yeah they could get a young established star. STARlin Castro. That’s about the going rate for a #4 starter.
Hahahaha
If he is your #4SP you have one heck of a rotation.
Is he pitching in front of Tanaka, German or Paxton? Cole,Verlander or Miley? Ryu, Kershaw, Buehler? Good teams have good rotations. And good teams become good by not making stupid trades.
Yankees have L.Serveino and Happ too..Dodgers also have Rich Hill and K.Maeda..Astros have Lance McCullers(injured all year but 11-6 last year), and a ready Forrest Whithey.
I still think Boyd is under-rated though. All his advanced metrics say he should have better ERA and more wins..It’s horrible defense and no run support in Detroit.
That’s fair but that’s what I’m saying. On a good team Boyd might not even start a playoff game.
But the Yankees, Astros, and Dodgers are not necessarily the ones looking to upgrade their rotations. He would start a playoff game for the Twins. And the Brewers, And the Cardinals. And the A’s. And the Rays. And probably several others that still have a chance at the playoffs.
Just because he isn’t good enough to break into the best of the best rotations, doesn’t mean the next level teams shouldn’t try to use him to compete against them.
NYY Hou LAD all would love Boyd for this year’s rotation imo.
He could probably pitch in front of all NYY though I am thinking Tanaka then Boyd
Ahead of Miley
There a few teams like LAD/Wash/Clev when healthy Boyd would be their 4SP but besides those teams he is 3SP or higher.
Seems less of a “seller’s market” than usual outside of a reporter pushing that narrative. Other than ALC and maybe ALW b/c Oakland has knack for greatly overachieving, other 4 divisions feel close to solidified (even Cubs yes). Less popular to part with big time prospects for WC spot.
Bellinger and Verdugo for Mathew Boyd. Make it happen Friedman!
May and Downs for Boyd is fair imo
Dustin u are living in a fantasy world bro. May is not happening.
Too high man. Jeter downs and Mitchell white could get it done.
Are you kidding? Lol there’s no way they would do that. Maybe joc pederson
I don’t see Matt Boyd as game changing starter he could fit as Houston number 3 starter but Detroit isn’t getting that much for him He’s only had year and half where he’s pitched like a mlb starter and to give up top prospects for someone like that I don’t think so
I think Houston gives up Tucker for him if Philly does not get him first for Bohm+
Tucker or Bohm? Lol bro not happening
You’re either high as hell or drunk off your ass, there’s zero chance of that happening tbh. The Astros would probably send a package of Seth Beer and Tyler White or substitute Josh James for one of the other two I mentioned.
We aren’t talking about trading for Verlander, Cole, Syndergaard, Scherzer or any other top 10 pitcher, we are talking about Michael Boyd. Homer going to homer
I like Beer. Lots of fans do too.
In 2017 the same comments about JV…
“He is not worth contract”
“He is on the downside at 34 yrs old”
“Tigers crazy for wanting prospects and not pay much of his remaining salary”
“He would be our 4SP possibly”
Etc etc
People looking a far were all saying this just looking at his ERA and seeing his age. I was like you guys do not get it.
JV had a track record. Not the same situation whatsoever
Your right on…
I know that Seattle is looking into controllable starters so this isn’t as crazy as most of you will think. But would the Tigers do a package of:
Seattle sends- Mallex Smith, Braden Bishop, Sam Carlson, Shed Long and Evan White
Detroit sends- Boyd and Paredes
Mallex has been really good since coming back from AAA. Bishop and Long can play everyday in 2020 and will at least be average if not above average everyday players and White will be a gold glove first baseman with an .800 ops. Carlson was top draft prospect and is still only 20.
Sorry, meant to say that Carlson was a top 20 draft prospect.
And honestly, now I’m thinking that there’s no reason that Detroit should trade Paredes, but it’s just a fake trade proposal so who cares.
Nobody wants a collection of guys who need to be on the 40 man who barely even belong on a 40 man
Well that’s just an incorrect evaluation of all those players, but I see you’re an expert as you’re using the same joke from a few years ago.
Depending on whether you think Paredes can be a major league hitter, Bishop and Long would be the Tigers best offensive prospects right behind White who would be their third best prospect overall after Mize and Perez not counting this years draft.
Not going to get Boyd without Julio or maybe even Klen
Being part of the deal imo
Probably true. Just trying to see if a deal can be made that gets Detroit the MLB ready pieces they want, but I can see them holding out for one them. I meant to also have Lewis in my original offer but edited him out for some reason. Still don’t think the Tigers take that, but I think it’s fair.
Is Bishop MLB ready? He’s 25 years old with a career MILB OPS of .760. Hes not good.
When did prospects begin being ranked by their career ops? He has a .890 ops this year but anyways, a gold glove center fielder with a .760 ops is still really good.
Avila would get rave reviews if he could snag Peter O’Brien for Boyd
Wait, let me put on my “Fulmer-glasses” from ‘18.
Boyd to the Friendly Confines for Schwarber, who hangs up first?
Schwarber does not have nearly enough value to even get the conversation started at this point.
The tigers, this is coming from an Astros fan.
Schwarber would do it..Add Ian Happ and just get the deal over with and that’s one of the most realistic offers I’ve seen in the comments. Schwarber would play so well in the AL as a DH. 26 HRs last year and 21 this year already and he doesn’t play everyday in Chicago. Only 330 at bats last year. The only position players on Detroit that looks like they are in the teams long term plans are C.Stewart/Niko Goodrum (assuming too that they trade Castellanos; which they should get another young, MLB-ready, position player).
You have to be joking right now? You seriously are proposing Happ and Schwarber for Boyd? They both have no value at all.
To be fair, neither did Boyd before this season…
Ease up on Avilla a bit. He was left with an empty farm system, bloated contracts, and a lousy team. That’s a triple play that’s hard to overcome.
He’s added some intriguing pitching, and that’s where it starts. Give him a little time; the man knows talent.
So, Tigers want a one for one swap. Okay.
Young MLB star? What, are they smoking crack? Teams looking to add a pitcher for the stretch run can’t afford to give up a star.
That doesn’t even get into whether he’s worth it…
Acuna for Boyd straight up. Gets the Barves out from under that suffocating contract and the Tigers just a little hope for the future.
Dustin be like
No I’m realistic. Waters and Muller would be a nice package though.
maybe we can get James McCann from the chisox?
He’s an All-Star, … now.
We don’t want to give up Boyd, unless the return value is more. I don’t understand why that’s such a hard concept for MLB fans to accept.
Boyd is a mediocre pitcher but Avila absolutely should be asking for the sky and the stars for him. He may not be ‘worth’ what the Tigers are asking, but ‘worth’ is determined by the market. From the Tigers perspective, they have plenty of mediocre prospects, so taking a mediocre prospects in return makes little sense. We need a big bat. If no one is willing to give that up for Boyd, so be it. He has 3 more years of control, and has more value to us now than some mediocre prospects. We can always trade him for that down the line..
You want an established MLB player?
Under contract on a team friendly deal? A 2017 all star? Phillies should try to unload Odubel. Pay part of the salary and give them a 2nd tier prospect.
For a guy with a lifetime 4.80 ERA, sure, passssss
Baseball Trade Values has Boyd worth 34.4, and a star player would be worth 80, so he isn’t getting traded at the deadline. The price is way too high. At this point the teams the only teams that are desperate to add are the Rays, Twins, Indians, Cards, Phils, and Sox. There will be an over pay for sombody. It;s a sellers market but who is selling. Mad Bum, Minor, Boyd, and Greinke may not be available. That leaves Stroman and maybe Ray. I would be shocked if all of those pitchers get traded.
On Quintana being “a decidedly unsexy middle of the rotation arm”:
He was 12th in the Majors in rWAR over the three seasons prior to the one he was traded in. Unsexy, run of the mill ace would have described him better.
He’s very, very far from an ACE!
He’s playing on one of the best 2-3 NL teams….very unsexy and absolutely not a top of the rotation pitcher….good but not ACE material….he doesn’t start game 1 of any series.
You can find statistics that would make the worst pitcher in either league seem to have value these days in baseball….
If they throw in Greene, the Braves will send them Carmargo and Toussaint.
This guy just can’t keep his mouth shut. What’s he trying to do, convince Tigers fans that he is working to get a good haul?
Al, why don’t you just publish a list of the players you are interested in? This would save the world a lot of time, and we could all enjoy a good laugh.
There’s not that many trade-able left handed arms. Boyd is clearly sought after, so why is it Avila’s fault he wants a decent return? Why fold your cards, like you’re suggesting, when you have nothing to lose and everything to gain?
Detroit won’t get what they are reportedly asking for, but no team usually does. Ask for the moon, settle for as much as the highest bidder is willing to pay. I never pay attention to the asking price for players like this.
Boyd isn’t as good as Detroit wants to make him out to be, but also is much better than a lot of the people in here are saying. His underlying metrics are pretty good. The K’s, extremely low BBs, mid 3’s FIP point to a good pitcher. I’d call him a #3 on a good team. Let’s not forget he pitches for what is a bottom 5 team in the majors. Put him on the Braves, Astros, Dodgers, etc. and he’d have 8+ wins with an era more reflective of his FIP.
Teams are definitely going to trade a couple of their top 5 to 10 prospects for Boyd. The control + the ability (160/20 K/bb) is what every team wants. Not all top 10’s or farm systems are the same, so I’ll be curious to see what names are moved for him. I really think Houston is the team that he makes the most sense for. SD and the Dodgers are right there too. Houston has a real need for a starter right now, and even more so moving forward with Cole a FA and Verlander in his late 30s. They have a deep system and could easily put together an appealing package.
SD is another giood match. they can’t play everybody, can barely pay anyone, and they are loaded with young talent. Reyes or Renfroe could be the MLB piece, and they have tons of talent coming up or fairly close. Allen, Qauntrill, Morejon, etc.. They have tons of talent better than anything the Tigers have.
Great post Dicka!!
i agree with the first part, not going to get what they ask for and that hes probably better than his ERA/Wins
But totally disagree with anyone giving up two top 100 type prospects, unless they’re fringe type, or WAY far out.. I can see someone giving a decent top 100 and a handful of B types easily, as you say though his control does maybe push his value up some.
hes not a 200inning guy, hes never had a FIP below 4.45 before this season (20 games) he had a decent k ratio before this season but no where near what hes doing now, etc.
When other team look at him they’ll be seeing him as a mid-rotation at best with about the same chance of being a quad-A swing man type.
IMO they should keep him. He finishes the season strong they can get much more from this off season or even deadline next season if he keeps it up but he seems to be turning the other direction.. for his (and detroits) sake hopefully its just a hiccup
A deal with the Atlanta Braves could include Johan Camargo who at 25 years old produced 3.7 WAR in his age 24 season and has 4.5 years of control. Additionally, Adam Duvall produced 6.3 WAR in three years with Cincinnati with 2.5 years remaining. Add Touki Toussaint a young MLB ready starter who was a past MLB top 100 prospect. Detroit would send Mathew Boyd and Shane Green to Georgia.
Let’s keep Duvall out of any deal please.
Camargo and Toussaint not quite enough for Boyd alone imo.
Delusional, it would’ve made sense if he kept it up, which was highly unlikely, now he’s pitching like J.A. Happ as of late, even though his earned run average isn’t as bad as his.
IF he gets traded this year these players headline the trade. Lux,Tucker,Waters,Brohm,Florial,Sanchez. I believe these are the players Detroit would be interested in. If not wait till offseason which might be more prudent.
Based on the rumor reported in the article you are commenting about, none of the players you mention fit the bill of an “established young MLB star”. An established young MLB star would have to be a player with a minimum of one year of MLB service, under 26 years old, achieved a minimum of 2.0 WAR during each year of service.
Only four players on the Braves fit the definition, Acuna, Albies, Soroka and Camargo. Fried is close, as is Swanson.
I am basing my opinion on reality not some writers 2nd,3rd hand reporting.
funny because if I am a contender I want a Vet SP with playoff experience like MadBum or Bauer..or Noah.. besides 1/2 a season of success (2019) what experience under pressure does Boyd have? NONE .. not sure his worth but I would be PISSED if my Padres offered something like Quantrill + Reed and Arias for Boyd.. Quantrill was fantastic today vs Cubs btw.. top young mlb STAR gtfo..rot in Detroit
This is a hearsay rumor