Contrary to expectations, the AL East-leading Yankees held pat on deadline day. GM Brian Cashman says the club “knocked on all doors” but ultimately “didn’t get close to anything” when push came to shove, as ESPN.com’s Cole Harvey was among those to cover.
In the build-up to July 31st, the Bronx Bombers were connected to a laundry list of pitchers, especially of the starting variety. Robbie Ray, Mike Minor, Madison Bumgarner, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler … there were many rumored connections, and likely other possibilities as well. Ultimately, none of those hurlers ended up changing hands, but the Yanks did watch as other orgs snapped up Zack Greinke (who almost certainly wasn’t an option in New York), Marcus Stroman (who was, but landed across town), and Trevor Bauer (perhaps the most obvious match, who somewhat curiously went to the Reds).
What happened? Per Cashman, in some cases the Yankees simply “didn’t match up” with a rival on a given pitcher. In others, players “weren’t really available even though they’re widely talked about in a public setting” owing to “contract status issues or medical issues.” In the end, he said, “it’s just a lot of different individual circumstances that basically put us in a position to not be able to complete anything.”
It’s obviously fair to wonder whether the Yankees were too focused on value and not attentive enough to the present. The game’s preeminent franchise is a decade removed from its last World Series crown and hasn’t won the division since 2012. While the AL East is all but in hand, there are still scenarios where the Yanks are nipped by the Rays (who added multiple pieces) or Red Sox (who didn’t). And then there’s the postseason, an inherent minefield that is sure to include a powerhouse Astros club that just made the single biggest addition of any team in Greinke.
It’s not as if Cashman wasn’t aware of all that. But ultimately, the veteran exec said, “the best play was we did nothing.” While the goal was to add more, after prior deals brought in slugger Edwin Encarnacion and late-season speed demon Terrance Gore, “the fallback has always been we know we have a good club already.” At the end of the day, Cashman preferred to hold fast rather than going well beyond the team’s own valuations. While he expressed an “understanding that as a buyer, you have to step up and pay,” the long-time Yanks’ GM suggests the asks were simply unreasonable. As he put it, “these were prices that were making things way out of reach — way out of reach and way out of line.”
Maybe they should have lol
That surprised me that they haven’t won the East since 2012.
No surprise as Hal is more interested in beans than championships. His philosophy is just to be competitive and that is the bottom line.
Must be hanging out with the Coupons and the Poorlahds…
Please tell me who the Yankees should’ve signed.
Corbin, Morton
Morton wasnt signing with the yankees. Corbin sure
Why wouldn’t Morton sign with the Yankees?
Tell you why it is. NY is widely known as a brutal place to play the media and fans are very unforgiving and easily aggravated Many players prefer not to be in that type of environment hence the no-trade clauses and for a storied franchise That had some of the greatest players and traditions that is a shame. as well as a fact. If your a good player and you go the NY you had better be ontop of your game and if you have an off year look out.
Do you have a link to where Charlie Morton said, or it stated that was the reason?
For as much money as the Yankees spend, they are frugal at the wrong time and that bad judgement has back fired on them. They should have signed Morton and Corbin this past offseason. Then if they didn’t get a starter, a reliever would have been a nice filler, at the deadline. I would like Tanaka as a solid, raise to the occasion #3 starter, behind Morton and Corbin, but not as a number 1 against, Cleveland and Houstons.
Yankees kicked tires on Strohman- the Bluejays started the talk with Torres- Yankees rightfully hung up
Yankees played around with Arizona for Ray- they asked for more than they wanted to give up- This might have been a mistake.
Greinke would have imploded in NY- nothing lost there
Bauer was interesting- The Indians would have traded witht he yankess- Red came in with major league ready OF”s to spritz up their iffense for a run this year- Indians played this really well. yankees were not giving up Hicks or Judge.
Guess Paxton and Happ had better start packing..
“…players prefer not to be in that type of environment hence the no-trade clauses…”
Partial NTCs list plenty of places besides NY. So you’re saying that places like LA, Chi, Bos, Was, etc, are on lists for different reasons than NY would be?
Yanks won’t win the east. They will implode this month and next. NO PITCHING
Frazier plus 3 prospects for Ray would have been a mistake.
It’s odd the Yanks didn’t seem to go harder after Morton in lieu of Happ last off-season.. I honestly don’t remember if he was seriously considered or whether they could have gotten for some for similar to what the Rays paid (less than Happ), or at least what they were willing to pay Happ. He fits the Yankees philosophy of breaking balls more than Happ, who throws his fastball somewhere around 65% of the time. Where was the analytics department in this decision? As of right now Happ isn’t worth the paper his check is made out of, though here’s to hoping he figures out how to keep a few baseballs in the park, and we all know the season Morton is having utilizing a lot of the same breaking stuff the Yankees couldn’t touch in the ALCS…for less money than Happ. And yes, look at the Red Sox this season. There is no guarantee the yanks won’t have a down year next year or face more competition within the division. They have a great shot at a trip down the canyon of heroes this year, and they should have done whatever it took to land Bauer this season. You’re telling me they haven’t shown they have all sorts of major league talent in the organization who have no future on the big league squad that they couldn’t have put up an attractive enough package for the Indians to do what they need to to give them the best chance to be the last team standing? Houston went out and got Greinke and immediately became World Series favorites. No, yanks probably didn’t have a shot at Greinke, but they’ve botched so many opportunities to pick up a difference making starter over the last few years. I am starting to get annoyed with the philosophy that you profit by being competitive, not necessarily champions, and spent millions on a “selfie deck” in the park because they think millennials care more about posting to social media than the outcome of the game. Yankees became the most valuable team in baseball and second most valuable sports franchise behind the Cowboys because people like winners, not also rams. I’ve been a life long die hard Yankees fan, but I’m getting ready to make sure they don’t make another dime off of me unless they show they are committed to getting a ring above all else.
George Steinbrenner just rolled over in his grave.
COSTANZA’S IN THE BUILDING!!
Todd, Lol, you ain’t kiddin.
I was thinking that watching the clock yesterday.
All cotton uniforms
Nope- George would have obviously tried to out bid but in reality the Strohman deal would never have been done w/o Torres included- remember just last year the jays got burned by Cashman on Happ.. Even George wouldn’t have given up a two time young all-star 2b for any of the pitchers available.
That’s the whole reason right there why the Yankees didn’t sign anyone. If George was still alive I guarantee you trades would have been made. Even if it meant hitting the minors. Teams would have came at the Yankees with extortion on their minds. That was then…this is now. Theirs a different kinda Steinbrenner at the helm. For better or for worse? Time will tell.
What a fail
what fail? The prices were very high- as noted by none of the big names really moving-
Greinke would never have come to NY
Strohman had too high of a price for the Yankees- My Mets got him on the cheap in my opinion.
Bauer could have been had but the Reds gave the indians instant gratification not prospects- which will help them get into the playoffs.
Yankees now have to move from within: Montgomery Could be ready in August, Severino sometime in early Sept. and the wild card- Garcia from the minors.
No Team wants the Yankees Minor leagues. 45 is the highest ranked one and he got drafted uses someone else’s birth certificate.
You were anxious to use the birth certificate comment weren’t you?
BJ82–it’s true. Look it up. His Mother did it and then he got drafted. it’s true
No one knows if it’s a fail or not. No one will know until the shootings over. If the NYYs win the title, it’s clearly not a fail. But given the strength of that team, and their position in the standings, if they did not strengthen their rotation because they overvalued their prospects, anythings less than a WS will be a fail.
Ready for another year of Yankees complacency and an early playoff exit.
Yup –
I’m a yanks fan. This though is outstandingly funny.
“This though is outstandingly funny” Are you talking about Cashmans failure to add a significant starter?
THere were none available at a fair price- Cashman made the right call here.
Fair price?
You only try to win the world series if you can do it for a fair price? What is the value of being a rich team if you are going to limit yourself to fair price or better?
By fair price he means anything other than a straight out robbery. Unfortunately for Cashman that is what he has done to teams the last few years at the deadline. Chapman, Voit, Happ just to name a few have made other GMs look bad. Nobody wanted to be this years fleece. Imo Cashman should have bit the bullet and made a lopsided trade. After all of his fantastic trades the past few years nobody would have complained too much if he drastically overpaid. We probably shouldn’t forget that teams like the Giants and Indians have turned it around lately. I doubt Bumgarner was even available. He was one of the few I would hope Cashman would pony up for. I am glad he whiffed on Ray. Cashman loves those high strikeout starters (Eovaldi, Gray, Paxton) but they seem to always be a roll of the dice in NY. The crafty veteran (McCarthy, Happ, Lynn) seems to be the best deadline pick up for them.
So overpaying is a good idea?
Let me put it this way. You need a car to get to a job that pays a million dollars a day, but people are taking advantage and the cheapest car is 200,000 dollars. Do you buy the car? Or do you just go without a car and get fired all for the sake of principle?
Just because a deal is an overpay doesn’t mean it isn’t beneficial. If a needed acquisition is still at a high cost, so be it.
damn dude, fantastic analogy
That was an insightful analogy…. but to be fair to Mr Cashman, a better analogy might be…. the job in question MAY pay you $10 million at the end of the year, the new car costs $2 million, and you already have a car that seems to be getting the job done, so you may get the $10 million with the tools you already have available to you, although it may have certain parts on it working more productively than others , like in certain areas (the rotation needing help), it’s been getting you there reliably in the past (in the standings the team is doing well without the added parts)…. do you still invest in the new car? It’s a much more difficult “investment decision” than your analogy indicates, so let’s be fair to both Mr Steinbrenner (and the other partners, limited and otherwise), Mr Cashman and the others who likely are making rational and thoughtful decisions with information we as outsiders also don’t have available. This is just My opinion… and others may disagree, I just thought this should be said….
It is but it is off a lot- the opposing teams were asking for $2.5 million for that $2 million asset-
Cubs obviously overpaid to trade for Chapman.. that got them to winning championship.. at some point he has to overpay.. yes.. no gaurantees winning championship but so is prospects that they will pan out in MLB level..
Yes, Red Sox overpaid for Sale. But won the World Series. Better yet, the Cubs overpaid for Chapman, without him the Cubs would still be without a World Series title. I don’t recall but didn’t Houston over pay for Verlander?
KC overpaid for Shields.
Of course!
The goal is to win and the Yankees are an incredibly rich team. If you can win simply by overpaying for a key piece here and there you do it every time.
The whole system is even set up to encourage it. They let you pay young players next to nothing so you can overpay the vets.
This isn’t new.
Cleveland would never have traded Bauer to a team it might face in the upcoming postseason. It was always going to be a team like the Reds or in the offseason. Yanks never had a chance.
Agreed, Cleveland was not going to deal with the Yankees unless it was a significant prospect haul, as in way too good to pass up
You think the Yankees could or would have matched what Cleveland received?
B I N G O
Entitled Yankee fans are upset that rich Daddy didn’t get them a shiny new bicycle have to ask the following –
What 2 power/run producing RH bats could the Yankees offer – including one at a reasonable salary for the remainder of 2019 that would walk after the season, and the other at a small salary with 4-5 years of control remaining. As well as 2 LH young starting pitching prospects (with excellent minor league stats) that are about major league ready, who can be finished off by an Indian organization that might be the best in MLB at developing young pitchers…….along with an 19 year-old rookie league prospect currently hitting – .330 / .421 / .451?
I’m an Astros fan and I was surprised how well the Indians did in that trade. Bauer is a bone head and you guys finally got that corner OF thump in Reyes. I would imagine Puig is helpful, but the prospect haul in addition to those two guys were very impressive imo.
@vandals no one is feeling entitled at all. you’re actually making my point. Yanks didn’t get Bauer because Cashman was prospect hoarding. it’s likely that the Indians didn’t want to deal him to a good AL team and two they simply didn’t have the package that the Reds offered.
Not sure why Cashman bashers can’t understand that you can lay your best package on the table but it doesn’t mean the trade partner HAS to accept it.
This is a cool rant and all but its a 3 team trade. All the Reds traded were Puig and a prospect that went to to the Padres. The Padres did the rest. Frazier has a perfectly similar profile to Puig and Florial is comparable to Trammel. Encarnacion could have went to Cleveland as well. No way Indians put Bauer on a contending AL team unless they get even more than they did
The reds also traded Trammel to the padres, so even though he didn’t go to the Indians he still is part of the reds give for Bauer
Florial, imo, is likely to drop out of the top-100, while Trammell, IIRC, is a top-20. So that’s not close.
However, when is it time to just do that? Overpay. Its what I call the Danny Ainge syndrome. He’s had so many draft assets for years yet time after time he passes on using them for that one chance at a playoff run. So year after year they are good, never great, and never win. If the goal is to win the regular season every year and never win a championship then as Charles deMar once said “That’s a fine idea.” However, I thought for teams like the Yankees it was about championships. Maybe it wasn’t Bauer who they should have tried to pry away, but Wheeler was available, would have taken an overpay, but if he pulled the trigger he would have traded for the best stuff on his staff aside from Paxton and Severino. A 1-2-3 punch of Severino, assuming he ever comes back this year, Wheeler, and Paxton/Tanaka would be formidable. However, right now that rotation is hot garbage. They have 3 guys who need to use deception to get people out and when the playoffs hit those guys usually get hit unless ur a guy who is so masterful at changing speeds like Grienke for example. The Yankees will make the playoffs, lose in the first or second round, then tell their fans well next year all of our guys will be healthy we’ll make a run at it again next year that is until they aren’t healthy again of course. The Yankees are starting to sound a bit like the Mets when they kept selling us on a rotation of 5 studs who could never stay healthy. Granted right now they all are and dominating but what did that take 4 years lol.
FO’s, with a few exceptions, are more about asset collection and valuation than winning. They, and the fans, need to accept the fact that the way the system is set up is that you can have your own players for pennies on the dollar, but to get someone else’s you’re just going to have to overpay (in money or players) 8 or 9 times out of ten. That’s the way it is. You can either win the Series with all of your guys or you can reach for those others who are going to put you over the top. Everybody thinks they’re going to win with all of their guys.
In my view, as a Cards fan, I think the Yankees’ standing pat is less forgiveable than the Cards, if only because the the Cardinals overpaying for Wheeler or Ray isn’t going to do much for them. The Yank’s lineup is so good RIGHT NOW that a decent mid-rotation arm or two COULD put them over the top. You have to go for it in that situation – what the hell is Clint Frazier still doing in their organization?
Yep. Great comment. There are tiers of teams. Some fall into a tier where you don’t trade young talent for an established player because you’re not going to win anyway. What’s the point. The Yankees, on the other hand have a significant chance of winning that would be greatly enhanced with a good to excellent pitcher. Their reluctance to part with good prospects is magnified by the fact that they didn’t strike a deal with anyone. So either everyone was asking for too much in a deal or the Yankees prospects aren’t that attractive. In regard to the first possibility deals did get done so some were willing to pay a good price. In regard to the second the Yankees system while it may have a decent minor league system is not rated highly at this time. Beyond Garcia most of the talent is at lower levels. They’re chips just weren’t as attractive as other teams. Over the past week I heard about how strong the Yankees minor league system is. Like all systems do it’s going through a period where they don’t have as many good prospects. Also, like many fans, teams begin to value prospects over winning. A balance has to be struck between your future and actually going for it. This year the Yankees just weren’t in that position.
This.
Cashman is just trying to save face after watching rival teams like the Astros get stronger. I still can’t believe that the “mighty” Yankees couldn’t top the Mets’ cheap offer for Stroman.
Maybe the jays just didn’t want to trade him within the division.
Some people forget the other team has a say in these things.
exactly.
No I dont think that’s it but the other team has to like the players your offering and the best prospect they have, Garcia, is untouchable so they said no. The rest of the top Yankee prospects, as Keith Law so poignantly stated in the ESPN broadcast, have an inflated value because they are Yankee farm hands. Sometimes you need to crack some eggs to make an omlet however, Cashman would rather use egg whites in a carton.
Egg white omelettes are delicious with the proper ingredients
Cashman is a smart GM, only idiots overpay.
i never heard Cash label him as untouchable. Jesus Montero was “untouchable” and he was moved.
keep in mind tho, Cash has traded away 15-20 prospects in the last 4 years or so and the ones that he’s kept have all been successful to varying degrees.
Nobody cares about an overpay if it gets you a ring.
How have the 15 to 20 prospects that were traded away turned out?
Okay, then never overpay. All the recent WS winners have overpaid, but maybe they are all idiots.
@melchez No one the Yankees have had regrets for yet.
KnicksfanCavsfan… I don’t remember any Yankee prospect doing great after being traded away. I just wanted to make sure.
Jesus Montero
Dustin Fowler
Ben Gamel
Rob Refsnyder
Jose Ramirez
Ramon Flores
Manny Banuelos
Mason Williams
Slade Heathcoat
Tyler Austin
Ty Heansley
Rafael De Paula
Eric Jagielo
Jake Cave
The lost goes on and on…
@melchez I’m not sure what your point is? Whoever their trade partner was they wanted the prospects that were traded. Several of them were listed as top 100 prospects. If Cashman has a feel for who he wants to keep (Judge, Severino, Sanchez, Andujar, Torres, etc) and who he’s comfortable letting go then isn’t that the job of a GM?
Absolutely…so dont be upset no one wants yankee garbage… garcia, frazier, lasagna.
The Jays have traded within the division before…i.e. Happ.
Yes they did top the Mets by no offer….the won in cheapness!
You do realize overpaying is what idiots do right?
Cubs overpaid and won the Series. I’m sure they don’t feel like ‘idiots’.
Red Sox also over paid and would the World Series.
Really?
You are saying the Yankees would be idiots if they overpaid for a player that would assure the world series?
Do you really not understand how insane that is?
What do you think they’re playing for?
One player wasn’t going to assure the Yankees a World Series. You’d still have to get past the Astros. The respective lineups are fairly even as are the bullpens. Probably a slight edge to the Yanks in both, but it’s close. Verlander and Cole trump every starter the Yankees have, so, just to get to even odds you’d probably have to trade for two good SP. Cashman may have been smart to sit pat this year.
You’re aware that the Blue Jays were demanding Gleyber Torres from the Yankees for Stroman right? I mean, you do follow the news about your favorite team don’t you?
That report was false. Yanks wouldn’t trade from the top of their system.
twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/115510845592302…
@agn1 Right below that tweet from Nicholson was a July 26 tweet also from him where he reported the ask was Torres and Garcia? He’s not exactly a great source.
That report was shot down
Tough negotiations with TOR moot point, there was plenty of time to do some shopping with Cincy to attempt a flip. Jays might have listened at M Andujar package though, move him to 1B next year. With Voit injuries maybe that is a good idea for NY. Speaking of holding prospects, has anyone heard from Bird?
Not sure I’d call him a prospect anymore. The guy first played towards the end of the 2015 season. That’s also the last time he was healthy.
Exactly.
NY was sure praying he’d beat out Voit this past spring to justify holding him this long.
@finlander The Yanks weren’t “holding” Bird. Bird was never viewed as a top 100 prospect and it’s hard to trade a guy after he’s been hurt and ineffective. Someone may have taken him as a buy low but he had little trade value. Made sense to hold him and let him make the team or send him to AAA. No one was beating down the door for Bird….ever.
I get that, from the standpoint of “prospect”, no argument. I think Yanks were really hoping, and rightly so, to have more lefty pop in the lineup. And Bird was also good defensively, while the jury was out on new acquisition-at-the-time Voit. This was just a commentary on what could occur unexpectedly with any players to temper the expected results of revered pieces…plus I had to needle our co-commissioner in our long running fantasy league who had signed Bird to a long term contract…many apologies but lol…
Bumgarner and Greinke both had no-trade clauses in their contracts, and both had the Yankees down as teams they would not go to. Like wesstl said, New York and Houston never had a chance.
That’s not the purpose of no trade clauses. They exist to extract more money out of teams that are likely to trade for you.
No in Greinke’s case. He does not want to play for the huge market teams. He has enough money. He would have never approved New York.
The Blue Meanie was who I was responding to saying Greinke would never go to Houston. Ahhhh last I read that’s where he is
Lol that’s not the point of no-trade clauses at all. No trade clauses are dictated by the player, and the player is the one who provides the list of teams he doesn’t want to be traded to for whatever reason. Like Stealth said, Greinke has never liked the big markets, so he put most of the big market clubs on his no trade list. The no trade clause has absolutely nothing to do with extracting more money or prospects.
@seamaholic That’s partially true but the other half is they simply don’t want to be traded to those teams. Greinke not wanting to play in NY has been covered each time he was a FA or on the trade market.
Greinke went to Houston ! What’s your point ?,
When did Houston become a big market.
houston is firmly a mid-market I blelieve
It is a big market team and has been for a while now they are set at around 210 mil they can afford that is not a small market budget.
When it became the 4th largest city by population in the United States, that might be when.
2019 population leaders, usa:
New York City, NY (Population: 8,601,186)
Los Angeles, CA (Population: 4,057,841)
Chicago, IL (Population: 2,679,044)
Houston, TX (Population: 2,359,480)
Phoenix, AZ (Population: 1,711,356)
Philadelphia, PA (Population: 1,576,596)
San Antonio, TX (Population: 1,565,929)
San Diego, CA (Population: 1,453,775)
Dallas, TX (Population: 1,379,735)
San Jose, CA (Population: 1,033,519)
Want to add revenue profits the Dodgers are no 1 followed by the Yankees Red Sox, Cubs and yes the Astros these orgs are all Big market franchises. Forgot the add the Phillies and Mets
Also the previous owner miss managed in more ways than players salaries he had bogus contracts etc Crane fixed all that Forbes I believe listed the stros at 1.5 bil of worth previously around 600 mil-750 I believe. Crane took advantage of population and team popularity the actual region that follows the stros is more than just Houston it includes part of LA and a chunk of Texas Oklahoma and Arkansas a huge fan base and with the right business man the stros became a large market.
Phoenix is ahead of Philly? Why would that many people want to sweat to death.
You couldn’t be more wrong, the Yankees far and away generate the most revenue in MLB 2018-712 million, and are worth more than any franchise at .4.6 billion. Forbes 4-19
Houston is the 4th largest city in the US behind NY, LA and Chicago, It has no where near the media size of the top 2 markets but I wouldn’t refer to them as a mid market city.
It is like Florida retirement dont ask me why but may retirees move there
Agreed they are a major market team although formally regarded as an upper teir mid to large market team. They have crossed that threshold I think is at 200 mil+ budgeting and seeing as MLB has no type of cap other than the luxury tax unfortunately there exists a large disparity between those budgets that are high and those that are low.
These stats are worthless. The Rangers are in a bigger media market than Houston and Philly is ahead of the Rangers.
Good post, but being a big baseball market is not the same as being a big city. Also, when you include the metro footprint for these cities, some get much bigger and some become smaller.
Exactly. Houston was on Grienke’s no trade list too, yet, here we are.
Like wesstl said, New York and Houston never had a chance.
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Good to hear that. I’d hate to see Houston add Greinke to their rotation.
You still have to play the games. I like Verlander-Cole-Keukel better than Verlander-Cole-Greinke and the Red Sox knocked them out with a suspect bullpen that suddenly plugged all holes. Was Cashman supposed to say ? Ok, I’ll trade Gleyber Torres ? Verlander-Cole-Keukel better than
If you think Dallas Kuechel is better than Zack Greinke, you’re truly nuts.
Actually he is, Greinke has anxiety issues and is in decline.
You’re obviously just trolling. With this comment and your others. Especially the one about the Yankees farm system being an A+.
@thetruth
Greinke hasn’t showed any decline in 2019. He’s a legit top 10 SP. His huge contract somehow made him seem like a less than awesome player. It’s weird how we bang on players for signing great deals their team offered them. Bizarre.
Greinke‘s much better than Keuchel
Which one of them won a Cy Young award last?
LOL! That was 2015. Newspaper boy a little late on his deliveries?
It’s simple. They built the A+ farm and started placing too much value where it doesn’t belong sometimes.
An A+ farm? Where? The Yankees?
Yes.
Also, Cash looks like he’s about to sob uncontrollably in that pic
Cash just does what Hal tells him! If he could have picked up #1 pitcher for a dollar increase in salary. Most likely Hal would tell him the team is good enough no need to increase the team salary. Hal is the complete opposite of his father.
can you please point out when Steinbrenner’s era was so great, outside of the 70s? I’ll wait. He wasn’t running things when they built that core for the 90s. Can you really call Hal cheap when he has Ellsbury getting $22 mil per for zero production but gives Cash the green light to acquire Stanton who at the time hsd the highest contract in sports history?
Every team wanted to rape the Yankee farm system and asked for Torres in any trade proposal. Ridiculous to say the least. Yanks may get knocked out in the playoffs but Cole will be in pinstripes next year and the team will have ammo to extend or pay Judge, Sanchez without mortgaging the future for one chip. They got the core and a shot for multiple runs at a championship.
I would politely suggest not using the word ‘rape’ in that context
Seconded. Also would direct him to an earlier comment that says the Yankees farm system is overrated because it’s the Yankees.
It does fit the definition. I see no problem.
Interesting.
You decided to announce to the world that you’re completely blind to something almost everyone else is completely aware of.
Is that because you think it makes you look tough or because you really are as mentally challenged as you claim?
Cole will more than likely be on the west coast that is his preference The rest of your post I agree with and it is not like the Yankees have not brought in pitchers they have and none have seemingly worked.and yes extensions will be costly.
@richardk I guarantee you that Cole, a Boras client, has never come out and said he has a preference for the West Coast. They said the same thing about CC and his attitude changed quick when the offer hit the table. I know several guys at the Roc and they all say he loves being in NY and would likely rock a NY hat if he makes it to the HOF.
The Yankees will not sign Garret Cole next year for various reasons.
1-Other teams will outbid in dollars in years.
2-The Pinstripes don’t have the allure as they once did
3-He’s a west coast guy and the Padres, and Angels are desperate for pitching.
Cole is from Newport Beach California he went to UCLA. I agree Cole is most likely going to sign with a California team. I honestly think the Angels will pull out all stops to sign Cole.
That is what we believe here in Houston as well he loves the team and the environment but no extension yet he will being getting the best of both worlds in the Salary and playing at home. Want to add the Angels is his childhood favorite team
Thank you
Plus, he likes rocking scruff!
#2 is your opinion and #3 is laughable as free agency shows time and time again.
@PopeMarley
That’s all your opinion. The Yanks wasted a #1 pick on Cole and I’m positive that if Cole were to sign elsewhere it’s not because the Yanks low balled him. Interesting that you think the Angels have a better chance. Time will tell. I would use the old “he grew up a Yankee fan” nut so was Corbin.
They asked for Torres cause nobody in the system excited them
we’ll see.. Cole will be making. at least 8 yrs/ $280 +mil.. money talks..
I’m sure they didn’t do any moves because Cashman knows that Ellsbury might be coming back in a couple of weeks.
They Yankees miss the Boss, pure and simple…
Heck, even as a RS fan, I miss the boss too.
@julyn82001
Yeah because the years 81-94 were so amazing. I miss those 23 year old Drabek for 34 year old Rick Rhoden deals. Or the 22 year old Fred McGriff for 34 year old Dale Murray trade. Oh my favorite, the 23 year old Jay Buhner for then 34 year old Ken Phelps.
Drabek went on to win a Cy Young and win 15 games 4 or 5 years. McGriff hits about 500 homers and Buhner had 3 or 4 years of hitting 40+ homers for Seattle.
Yeah….I so miss those Steinbrenner years of finishing behind the other AL teams. Revisionist history. You can’t have the good George without the bad one too. No way the Yanks would’ve kept all of Jeter, Posada, RIvera, Bernie and Petite if George was running things back then,
From 2000-2017 the Yanks were #1 or #2 in year end salary. They reset the lux tax for one year and then increase it by $40 mil the next to $213 mil but suddenly their cheap?
Buhner trade was god awful. How about Leiter for Barfield?
@chino13 Too many to remember, I honestly don’t think we would’ve won those four chips from 96-2000 with George calling the shot.
From Bleacher Report:
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The New York Yankees could have added some much-needed starting pitching before Wednesday’s 4 p.m. ET trade deadline, but they reportedly weren’t willing to give up two top prospects in the process.
According to Bob Klapisch of the New York Times, the New York Mets were willing to trade starting pitcher Marcus Stroman to the Yankees in exchange for prospects Estevan Florial (outfielder) and Deivi Garcia (pitcher), among others, but the Bronx Bombers turned down the offer.
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I don’t think this was a ridiculous ask by the Mets. That’s an established all-star ace with 1.5 years of control. But, Cashman loves his prospects; let him drown with them. Florial is a good prospect, but very raw. Garcia is a mid-rotation type starter, and while there’s a chance that prospects might turn out to be stars, the percentages are against that, and they needed to do something. If I was a Yankees fan, I’d be upset.
Stroman isn’t an ace. Not even remotely close. Garcia has a higher ceiling than that. In fact anyone calling Stroman an ace should just stick to something other than baseball to comment on.
Agreed there are only a handful of Elite aces around the League Stroman is not Verlander
Stroman is a top 30 pitcher, so he’s an ace. I don’t care, LOL! But if you realized how much teams make in revenues for playoff and World Series games, you’d understand why teams pay what it takes. They aren’t stupid, they want a chance at big money. Those two prospects aren’t even as good as Lewis Brunson and Caleb, and you don’t think those two players are worth a Stroman? Your comments are pretty fanatical.
This year he has performed well but in other years not so well are you stating he has a track record Like Verlander, de grom and others? You do pay what it takes for these types of pitchers that have a HOF possibility and high probability when I last checked and no pun to Stroman he is not in the category he is having a good year and maybe he does become one of the elite and then again maybe not.
Stroman would be the Yankees #1, and if he’s in the Top 25 best starting pitchers in the majors then he’d be considered a #1 for many teams. If #1’s aren’t aces in your book then I can respect that.
@texasguscc
I’m not making excuses for Cashman just trying to use context and logic. Let’s not gloss over the “among others” part of it. Among others sounds like 2 or 3 more additional prospects along with Florial and Garcia. We simply don’t know all the details. Things will leak out and then be contradicted. I can guarantee you that if Broadie traded prospects for Stroman and then immediately looked to trade him to their cross-town rivals then he ABSOLUTELY was looking to bend Cashman over and give it to him like Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction. Why wouldn’t he? When was the last time the Mets and Yanks made a significant trade? And I bet the Jays had a significant ask as well to trade him within the AL East. Certainly the Yanks and Mets weren’t the only people interested in Stroman.
Reading the market, I think it’s fair to say the Jays, Mets and Indians were not motivated to trade with the Yanks unless it was a huge price tag. I don’t think Greinke would ever waive his no-trade to be sent to the Yanks. The only two scenarios in which Cash “should’ve had a reasonable chance to trade for would be Detroit for Boyd or Dbacks for Ray. Those are the ONLY two situations that I feel it’s fair to question Cashman as to why he didn’t pull the trigger. However, I’m not a fan of overpaying for guys who aren’t clearly “put you over the top” guys just because we’re desperate to make a move and “look busy”.
It’s not often that a team as good as the Yankees has such a glaring hole in their roster, but the Yankees do. Their starting pitching is in desperate need of an upgrade. Given how many prospects and assets they have, not getting anyone is kind of a headscratcher.
I disagree. The rotation is good.
The numbers disagree. It’s below average at best. Every starter besides Paxton has a sub 100 ERA+ and awful FIPs. And Paxton isn’t great, either.
Kuechel had a 2.5 ERA his Cy year. It’s been closer to 4 ever since.
I have to agree about the asking prices being way out of touch and I thought my Astros were going to do the same but they surprised me and everyone going for Greinke.. For the Astros this move is just about as much for next year as it is for this year. Seeing as after all said and done the Astros will pay 24 mil a year actually perhaps anywhere from 8 – 10 mil cheaper if they do not resign Cole.. At one point the mets were asking for G. Torres the deals were not reasonable. The Yankees as will as the Astros ,Dodgers, Indians and now also the Braves are all very strong primarily from within yes all have pieces not from within but the base is home grown and with this current wave of new talent coming up every where in MLB trading away assets is a very risky business these days. Everyone mentions Verlander bit they forget about the homerun of M. Gonzalez Or the MVP Springer or Bregman Altuve the stros do not win the WS without that homegrown talent period.
The Talking heads always want trades and they still cannot figure out why it is difficult in Free agency to get big contracts yet. let alone the trade deadlines. This year the stros tried so many young arms in their own system to no avail i.e. no fix for their 4th and 5th slots in their rotation so I believe that is why they traded for Greinke. The Yankees will win 100 games or more and in the playoffs it is about whom gets hot I think the Yankees MGT did the right thing and the jury is still out about the Greinke move.
The last 7 WS winners (Giants, Red Sox, Royals, Cubs, Astros) all mortgaged future assets for the present. They all built tremendous cores of talent, and then moved prospects for needs. This isn’t a coincidence, it’s the recipe for winning the World Series.
The Dodgers and Yankees both have a stellar core of young, developed talent. It’s time now to start moving prospects to fix glaring holes in their rosters. But I guess they’ll both be content with flying their division flags.
without that Homerun by M.Gonzo do the Astros win?
The Houston Asstrolls will make pea soup out of the Yankees, etc..
As Michael Kay says, C YA
Nothing wrong with liking your team. Also u can pick up a player or two during August waiver wire
If you own a time machine.
There is no “August waiver wire” anymore.
Thank u for updating me on that. I thought it took affect after this year. Appreciate that
Actually you were kinda right. I do apologize. This site just wrote an article on it.
I’m not quite sure Cashman realizes that his metric isn’t making the playoffs, but to go deep into them. At this point, I’m not sure they can get by Cleveland/Minnesota, much less Houston.
The Red Sox did nothing, and while the Rays “won” both of their trades, they probably didn’t put them over the hump. So the division is the Yankees’. But that’s a little short of where they need to be.
Or a lot of short.
If a projected #4-5 most probable BP arm with control issues, and a CF in A ball who’s failing were the prospects that they refused to give up it’s inexcusable. Give me a break on the platitudes thrown around about Clint Frazier by Yankees homers. Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite ain’t walking through those bullpen doors Cash.
@thegreatcerealfamine
Look….a prospect is a suspect until proven otherwise. That being said, no one….no one that’s putting him on a top 100 list sees Garcia’s ceiling as a #4 or #5. Stop it, I’ve heard #1 or #2 with his floor being an elite bullpen arm.
Here’s one evaluation from Baseball Prospectus and let me again say, prospects are suspects until proven otherwise and I would have no problem trading him for a select few pitchers.
25.) Deivi Garcia, RHP, New York Yankees
Why he’ll succeed: A plus fastball, a plus-plus curveball, a new slider that’s trending towards plus itself, and a usable changeup. That’s not quite as broad as Mize’s arsenal, but it’s not that far off, and we said in his blurb that a healthy Mize would’ve contended for the top spot on this list. The stuff is unimpeachable. He absolutely crushed Double-A this year and earned the call-up to Triple-A even though he turned 20 just six weeks ago.
Why he might fail: He’s even smaller than Patiño, listed at just 5-foot-9 and 163 pounds. That’s tiny for a starting pitcher. While we don’t have any specific durability concerns here, we’re just not sure about his ability to handle the workload to stuff him higher. Sometimes-wavering command could push him further towards a bullpen outcome, although we’d expect that to be higher end too.
What really irks me, and is completely illogical. That fans give credibility to these evaluations of prospects on other teams but magically, the Yankee prospects are invalid and overhyped. These evaluations aren’t coming from the Yankees front office and I doubt the Baseball Ameirca’s and whomever are going to risk their credibility to do the Yanks any favors.
Cashman has done a good job of keeping the right prospects and trading the rest. For those who claim he likes to “prospect hug” should keep in mind all the former top 100 guys he’s traded in the last few years and obviously the teams they were sent to had reason to accept them in those trades. If the Yanks had traded Garcia and others for Ray or Boyd their chances might have improved marginally but I really don’t think either would’ve been the answer.
It simply comes down to, can the hitters hit vs the Verlander’s, Cole’s and Greinke’s of the world? Can Happ, Paxton, Tanaka, Severino and Sabathia get healthy and correct themselves to go toe to toe for an October run? We shall see and if we fail then the burden and blame will be on Cash whether right or wrong.
Many scouts have questioned his durability, and his control problems. Keith Law feels he’s best served as a middle reliever or mop up guy, and got moved up the system too quick.
@thegreatcerealfamine
I don’t think anyone putting together top 100 list or asking for him in a trade sees his future as a “mop up guy” and I really am sensing a bias from you.
Here’s what he actually had to say:
ESPN’s Keith Law recently released his midseason rankings of the top 50 farmhands in the game — and Garcia, who was promoted to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on July 7, came in at No. 29.
Considering Law had Garcia listed at No. 61 to start the year, it’s a monumental jump for the kid with the 16.9 K/9 across two different minor league levels in 2019.
“… he’s always 90-96 with three viable off-speed pitches, usually at least two of them showing plus, and hitters cut through his fastball like he’s throwing 105 with spin. There’s a ton of deception in his delivery — from behind the plate, I can’t pick the ball up until the last possible second from his hand — and he pitches in the strike zone with the confidence of a big leaguer.
***Would Law refer to a guy he promoted from #61 to #29 on his own list think he had a ceiling of a middle relief pitcher./mop up guy?? I mean ANY pitcher that makes it to AAA can be a “mop up guy”***
here’s another from one of his chats:
Pat D: Would you consider trading Garcia as part of a package for any of Stroman, Syndergaard or Bumgarner, even though the latter two are highly unlikely to end up in the Bronx for differing reasons?
Keith Law: I think they’d have to, but I’d probably only include him for Stroman, maybe Thor, not Bumgarner.
And another quote on Garcia from Law:
“What comes out of his arm is pretty special,” said Law. “The Yankees are a very sort of trackman-focused team when it comes to all players. But they love their high-spin guys throughout their system. He’s a guy who has that and has command and has control.”
If you can send me a link where Law refers to his ceiling and says “he’s best served as a middle reliever or mop up guy, and got moved up the system too quick”. I would love to read it.
Here’s my thing. I’m no prospect expert. I see numbers. But it’s an obvious bias when every prospect on Law’s list is considered a fair evaluation from #1-#28 and #30-#100 but #29 Deivi Garcia is overhyped because he’s a Yankee.
Either the entire list is garbage or it’s not. And again, prospects are suspects until proven otherwise so I accept that ANY prospect, in fact a #1 overall pick are not guaranteed to succeed and I’m good with that. But it’s hilarious how Garcia is somewhere between the second coming of Jesus ( some overbearing Yankee fans) or as you attribute Law as saying, has a ceiling of a “mop up guy”.
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Nice!
Be careful because you can get arrested for abusing someone with facts like that but it’s always fun to watch.
Change in-tune there famine. The truth must’ve hit you hard.
“Change in-tune there famine. The truth must’ve hit you hard.” What exactly are you referring to?
Playing dumb is a good strategy. I’m trying to be polite here. I also don’t want to have to go back to read your past comments that contradict your first comment. So I’ll refer to your entire lifespan on this site typing garbage. You went after numerous people who questioned the Yankees and now you’re making silly excuses for the organization. People gave you warning and you didn’t listen. Please stop. Put your Mets gear on.
How does any past comments I’ve made have anything to do with my assessment of how they approached this deadline? God you sure sound like the nut that used to soil these boards, mikeyank55 step into the light.
I understand why small market teams act like small market teams.
I do NOT understand why large market teams act like small market teams.
If they trade a prospect who goes on to become a good player, so what? They can literally sign any high end free agent they want to fill that hole.
The “overpay” is spending hundreds of millions only to come up short.
“They can literally sign any high end free agent they want to fill that hole.”
Well obviously that’s not true. Look how many top stars are being extended and not even reach FA.. Last year’s free agency freeze out has spurred the likes of potential FA’s Sale, Verlander, Arenando, Bogaerts, Goldscmidt and Miles Mikolas to all sign extensions one year away from hitting the open market after this season and that was absolutely because they saw what happened to Harper and Machado. They both ended up getting great dels but it was an excruciating process for them. Even the Yankees, who normally don’t extend guys ahead of FA, signed Severino and Hicks to extensions. The market has changed. I think Cole, at age 29, is the only top starter on the market under 30.
That’s not true followed by saying some guys don’t become free agents as though it proves your point?
@emac22
Saying the Yanks can sign “any player they want” asserts the Yanks can literally throw money and they shall come. Didn’t happen with Cliff Lee. Didn’t happen with Roy Halladay. Also, it’s quite clear that more and more players are adverse to FA. Look at what happened this past year? Some ppl, not me, were all saying Trout was going to be a Yankee. Arennado was going to be a Yankee. If more and more teams are focused on retaining their star players and those players are scared to go thru what Harper, Machado, Keuchel and Kimbrel went thru then the FA pool becomes a lot smaller.
Verlander was very critical of the slow free agent market last year. So what did he do? He opted to remove himself from the FA pool. So did a bunch of other guys.
This years potential FA pool is now a lot weaker. Emphasis is on development and retaining them. It doesn’t mean some won’t try it out like Gerrit Cole appears ready to do but waiting on FA to hit the market is not the best strategy any longer and the big market teams now see that. That was the only point I meant. It’s NOT a foregone conclusion that the Yankees can have any FA they want.
None of that means the Yankees can’t sign any free agent they want.
I agree they cannot but the fact that some guys don’t become free agents is 100% irrelevant to your point.
@emac22 What are you missing? First, NO …the Yanks CAN’T just sign anyone they want to. Some players base their decision on things other than the most money and I gave you too examples in Halladay and Lee. Seconfly, if fewer and fewer players forego FA because their parent team stepped up and signed an extension then the choices of FA becomes relegated to guys like Hamel who are well beyond their prime. I just showed examples. How often do you see a top FA and Boras client like Arenado sign an extension instead of going into an open market where a team like the Yanks might be in the mix?
This year’s FA crop became weaker as soon as Sale and Verlander signed extensions last winter. Clearly there’s been a change of philosophy among GMs and players. So no, teams can’t count on FA market like before. Also, a lot of teams you don’t usually expect to bid on top guys have. become more aggressive.
Major market teams are showing more focus on building teams thru the draft etc, You think the Yanks won’t have serious competition for Cole? And is it smart for the Yanks to sign pitchers to massive contracts for $35 to $40 mil for 7 or 8 years just because they can afford to do it? .
Never thought I’d see the day when the Yanks went cheap and frugal with an opportunity to improve the club during a year they have a chance to win the World Series. Cashman played the trade deadline like a pansy.
This past Trade deadline outside of the Salary dump for Greinke there were no elite aces available and I bet everyone did try to get Syndergaard whom was the only closest pitcher that maybe deemed an elite pitcher if not now then possibly (possibly) in the future. The NATs held onto their pitchers and outside of Bauer (which was more of a move just to get rid of a Locker room distraction) none of the pitchers available seemed worth the asking prices. The question should be could the Yankees absorb another 24 mil a year contract seeing as they already got Stanton? How would the move have effected extensions? The stros will lose someone to free agency no doubt in the future and really all in all the stros did have room in their budget for this move and seemly they will be still able to extend key players not all of them and this move may cost them one player. They game is different because of the impact all these young players are providing and more on the way The Yankees Astros, Indians, Dodgers Braves and to some extent Boston are the powers that will contend the next few years. This year without the farm the yankees would have tanked.
The Red Sox have a starting lineup where all but two players (JD and Moreland) are home grown. Their rotation features pitchers obtained through trades of major and minor leaguers and one free agent. Their bullpen is mostly home grown. Yes, they are struggling this year compared to last year. But they have been willing to trade quality talent to get quality talent in return. The yankees are not like that, they try to steal a deal from some foolish team. That is why no one will deal with them.
@whyhazee
The Red Sox have a starting lineup where all but two players (JD and Moreland) are home grown.
-Bird, Voit (via trade), Torres (via trade), Andujar, Sancez, Judge, Gardner, Severino, Betances, Green (via trade), Holder, Montgomery are all originally drafted or debuted from our system. Hicks, Stanton, Didi were traded for using prospects. CC, Tanaka, Chapman and DJ are the only core FA pickups.
Their rotation features pitchers obtained through trades of major and minor leaguers and one free agent.
-Yanks acquired Happ, Paxton and Britton using top 100 rookies in Justin Sheffield, Dillon Tate, Billy McKinney and Drury (acquired using two prospects).
Their bullpen is mostly home grown. Yes, they are struggling this year compared to last year. But they have been willing to trade quality talent to get quality talent in return.
The yankees are not like that, they try to steal a deal from some foolish team. That is why no one will deal with them.
Former top 100 prospects the Yanks have traded in the last 3-4 years:
Justin Sheffield (Paxton)
Dillon Tate (Britton)
Billy McKinney (Happ)
Jorge Mateo (Sonny Gray)
Dustin Fowler (Sonny Gray)
Juan Guzman (Stanton)
James Kaprielian (Sony Gray)
Blake Rutherford (Dave Robertson)
and non top 100 but 1st round picks Ian Clarkin and Eric Jagelio,
List doesn’t include prospects that were considered “good” at the time but unraked like Tyler Widenor (Dbacks), Nick Solak (Rays) and Jose Devers (Marlins).
Regardless, of what they are now, guys on a top 100 list were considered real prospects at the time.
So your point isn’t exactly true.
And that’s all she wrote folks is anyone here surprised?!! “THIS IS WHAT THE YANKEES DO JUST BRING BACK GREAT CLUBHOUSE GUYS PAST THEIR PRIMES:
At least I didn’t waste my time watching them this year and I won’t even watch them in the playoffs.
Hopefully next off season the go out and get SP and take Brett Garbage and throw him in the garbage too if that happens I’ll watch games agains.
I’m very proud of myself for not watching one inning this year. Very proud. Some of my might not think I’m a Yankee fan but I already know / knew the outcome of this team. You do the same thing over and of and expect different results. Not going to happen.
When you leave a bad taste in a fans mouth he has every right not to watch.
And I did not watch one game. Not even one inning. I’m standing PAT until Brett Garbage is GONE and they actually go out and get SP!
2019 Don’t bring back CC Happ and Gardner and throw Bird in the trash
2020 SAME AS 19!
I’m not surprised on how the deadline went for the Yankees. Are you? It’s all jibber jab and smoke and mirriors.
When you can sign Corbin Dallas Morton for cash YOU DO IT!
I don’t care what any of you think or say these problems were NOT addressed when they should have been!
And Fire Larry for crying out loud it’s a simple as black and white. I’ll never understandthe reason they didn’t let Boone choose his pitching coach. only this Fk team!
This team has become so cheap you seriously gotta be kidding me not making Corbin a Yankee one huge mistake.
A trillion dollar team gone cjheap. I hope they lose in the PS and I hope the lose BAD!
Bad taste after bad taste after bad taste.
How in the world after last year do you not upgrade your pitching staff for nothing more then cash it’s totally mind boggling.
How much longer are they going to hold on to Larry as a pitching coach.
They problem with the Yankees is they never make any changes, they don’t actually fire people. After the Redsox won the World Series last year. I really thought the Yankees were going to sign M Brantley the guys hitting as we speak. .321.
But what do they do they bring back a guy who have never ever hit in the Post season in Brett Garbage and then you have Yankee fans talk about Stanton like he can’t hit. Really I mean they shoulda cut ties with CC Happ and Gardner they woulda been better but they didn’t. Complete joke!
Did Brett Gardner steal your dog or something? He’s about as far down as you can go on the list of Yankee problems. And what, exactly, would Brantley have done for this team? Clearly, offense is not an issue. And I thought Red Sox fans were bad, woof.
It’s fans like you that don’t see the Yankee problems. It’s time to open your eyes and stop eating the crap they put out there daily. Wake up and stop defending this team. There is not one things I said that’s not true.
Need SP don’t sign Brett Garbage he’ll play every day.
What? You mad at me cuz why?
Watch them lose in the PS you keep sitting there.
I’m not mad at you, nor am I a Yankees fan. I just don’t see what Brett Gardner has to do with the Yankees starting pitching issues which is their only downside at this point. You’ve spent three comments now going on about how Gardner was somehow the lynchpin of the Yankees postseason hopes. Should they have upgraded their starting pitching? Sure. But the rest of your comments contents? Baffling. I still think Gardner must’ve done something to you personally.
As long as Brett Garbage is on this Yankee team they Yankees will not win a World Series. So far I been right for I cannot tell you how many years I been preaching this.
You know that Gardner was on the 2009 team, right?
He went 0-10
You wanna sit here and talks all this crap but you don’t see the glaring holes this team has?
I cannot tell you how many time I’ve done the same chit-cjhat with people like who over the years who CANNOT see thr glaring hole on this team.
You can sit here all day and TRY to tell me this teams fine. I’ve done it with the dumbest people who say the starting rotation is fine going into the season only to hear them change their tunes NOW.
This team will get OWNED in the PS.
You forgot what Brett Garbage done in last years PS?
This team shoulda and coulda upgrade VIA FA market last year for cash. they didn’t
Brian Cashman planned poorly. ONLY A FOOL CAN’T SEE THIS!
Fans like you that feel the need to make up derogatory names for their own players are the problem. You aren’t even a fan. You’re some fantasy baseball junkie that doesn’t know his rear end from a gopher hole let alone a good baseball player vs a bad one.
Sure, but he was on the team.
I literally said that their starting pitching was a weakness, but I guess that’s both “not seeing the glaring hole” and “talking all this crap”.
I tried to be civil, but I don’t know why I expected the same from someone who uses a name as dumb as “Brett Garbage”. You’re a real peach, bud.
Here cuz you really don’t understand it seems none of you do.
Not bringing back CC Happ and Gardner opends the door to sign Motron , Corbin , Dallas.
The Yankees made a huge mistake nothing singing Corbin. Do you now understand?
Money that coulda and should BEEN spent elsewhere.!
@louiebans
Really…seriously…did Gardner and CC go to town on your girl or something.?
Signing CC to be a #5 starter on a 1 year deal following a season where he had a 3.65 ERA in 150 IP with fewer hits per 9 and almost as many k’s as IP was a solid move.
Signing Gardner for a 1 year deal to hold down LF until Frazier was ready was also a smart move, especially since he was the only back up CF we had.
Neither of those two prohibited the Yanks from spending money elsewhere. You’ve regurgitated this displeasure for those two at least 7 other times.
I could careless if your a boycotting Yankee fan or not. Kick rocks and root for someone else if you choose. I understand the goal is to win #28 but the team currently has the 2nd best record in the AL and were #1 a week ago. All that despite just about every single player not named Torres, Happ, Ottavino or Britton spending time on the DL.
So let me ask you is this team better with
Corbin and Morton or CC and Gardner?
I ask a SIMPLE question
My God….do you REALLY think that those two 1 year deals for $8 mil each stood in the way of the Yanks signing either Corbin or Morton or anyone else? You really are dense. Yanks made an offer to Corbin somewhere around 5/$120 or so. I never heard them connected to Morton but I am 100 % positive it had nothing to do with CC as they spread the money around and signed Happ, Britton, DJ and Ottavino.
Please stop your inexplicable hang up on Gardner or Sabathia. I guarantee you 2019 success or failure isn’t dependent on those two signings.
How about the 10 mil he’s costing the team that could have and should have been directed elsewhere???
Yeezus…I wanted the Yanks to get either Harper/Brantley or Markakis and bring back Gardner as the 4th OF. They chose not to. But bringing Gardner did not kill the budget so they couldn’t sign a guy for $150 mil. Stop it. They later went on to sign Happ, Brotton, Ottavino and DJ. That’s like another $50 mil annually.
At least they kept those blue chip prospects in a win-now scenario.
Good thing they refused to ever move Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, or Refsnyder.
But of course, none the hyped up prospects in the Yankees organization will be those guys. These guys are all totally different.
Many pointed out to Yankee fans they needed to think about today and start to get hungry for a title. They have become what their fans despise; they are just a playoff team settling.
Cash didn’t mess up the trade deadline so much as he’s messed up the starting pitching for the better part of nearly 2 decades save a few good ones like CC the first time (the next 2 resigning though were weak sauce), mussina and maybe kuroda. Yup- it goes back a ways…..
Yankees fans are frustrated b/c we should not have been so desperate on 7/31/19. These issues should have and could have been more easily addressed in the off-season and past.
BTW- why can’t he develop starters either????
#cashmustgo
@geeson Make up your mind. Should he hold on to the Severino’s and Garcia’s or should he trade them for older vets? Make up your mind.
Here’s my last say with this., I AM AN AGENT.. Not in sports but entertainment. No deal happens in a vacuum. When you are competing for talent against the others it’s not as simple as throwing your best offer on the table and them immediately taking it just because you offered, You make your best offer and sometimes you don’t get a chance to make a second one. We are crucifying Cash yet have no idea of what the other teams wanted, what prospects they preferred among the competitors or if they were ever even serious about trading their assets (Bum or Syndegard)..
Yanks could’ve offered Garcia, Florial and Frazier and the Indians may simply prefer mlb ready bats and maybe Frazier wasn’t the one they wanted most.
Is James Shields still available? He’s not great, but certainly can eat some innings.
I wonder how much of it impacted by Hal. Surely he wants homegrown players that are more affordable and longer controlled…how much of a factor that plays in how Cashman operates I think we’re starting to see with how FA shook out and their approach to the trade deadline.
@InvalidUserId But they did trade their best pitching prospect (at the time) for Paxton, a guy with only 2 years left that was already in arbitration years so that doesn’t fit what you’re pondering.
People don’t want to trade with the Yankees anymore, unless they pay more. Cashman pulls these no name guys off rosters and they turn into legit MLB players. Hicks, Voit, Urshela, and Tauchman are all everyday guys that other teams gave up on. The prospects they trade fade away and the ones they keep become good players. I wouldn’t trade with the Yankees or the Rays.
It’s too bad he can’t figure out free agency a little bit.
I trust that they are hanging onto their prospects for a reason. This group has been on point with who comes and when.
I trust that he held
The problem is the failure to adjust.
If you aren’t going to overpay in a trade you need to overpay in free agency unless you’re just going to give up.
Analysis paralysis- best describes the Yankees and this deadline.
Let’s watch somebody else win again this year!!
Gotta give Cashman credit for his transparency. No shame in not “getting close to (a trade).” At least he is preparing Yankee fanatics for not getting close to winning a World Series this season. A for effort and participation trophies for Cash and the Yankee fans.
That funny moment when haters are trashing a team that has the best record in the American League and the second best record in all of baseball. But keep on hating
If Cashman is a “ Genius” as NY fan said he wouldn’t of went 11 years without a title and would of got something done. He is below average as a GM who is lucky to work in a Major Market.
I think Cashman is generally a pretty good GM, but…
I would be fascinated in alternate universe scenarios where he, Epstein, Dombrowski, etc. have to work for Bob Nutting. Find out how good they really are…
To be fair Yankees fans and or critics the Yankees were not the only franchise that deemed the cost for talent was too high this year. Yes Houston Grabbed Greinke but in all fairness before they grabbed him their salary commitments were at 162 mil and they have a budget at around 210 mil i.e. they had the funds. Cole will more than likely be an Angel next year if not then perhaps a Padre that is where he is leaning and yes they will give him 30 mil + a year and yes he will give strong consideration of home team discount. The stros have 43 mil coming off the books at seasons end they added Verlander and 13 mil more than he was being paid if they move Reddick lets say then really they are back to square root 1 adding 12 mil with Greinke I would say they easily afford that and still extend let us say a Springer and a couple of more valued pieces in the end they have the resources for that move and still be under the luxury tax threshold.
Want to add the stros most likely preferred Syndergaard but they would not part with Tucker or Whitley. Luhnow can be a cheap scape too. Greinke fits into their plans as a fall back for next year as well as this year. They also kept both Whitley and Tucker last but not least perhaps the cost and can Greinke be successful in NY (which is a tough environment to play in)weighs also.
This STUPID FRANCHISE is L A Z Y when comes to Developing Pitchers …. they want to BUY EVERYONE else’s Pitchers … Well Guess What???? NOBODY wants your low level “SUSPECTS” … their System is BARE!
Everyone keeps thinking what the Yankees want or when they say they want someone they get it doesn’t work that way whom is to say that Cleveland wanted any part of a trade with the Yankees while still fighting for the division and wild card spot, SF was unsure what to do with Bochy’s final year so they are going to go for it meaning the wild card, Texas was placing a high premium with Minor. As for Grienke no way he was going to come to NYC.
@mets7300 The system isn’t bare but most of the good ones are in the lower minors. The Yanks have developed Severino and Montgomery. They’ve also graduated several all-star players so yeah, when you graduate 6 or 7 guys and trade away another 15 it takes a hit on the farm. Is that not logical? How’s your team doing by the way? Let’s see deGroom, Syndegard, Wheeler and Matz yet nothing to show for but 4 consecutive seasons below .500.
Not signing Corbin was an unacceptable mistake if they weren’t prepared to dramatically overpay in the trade market. Giving as much money per year as they did to CC and Happ while passing on the best lefty because he wasn’t a bargain is just insanely stupid and denotes a failure to even understand the dynamics of a major league rotation.
I don’t know who it is but someone has a complete lack of appreciation for winning the world series instead of being good and maximizing those chances you do get.
The difference between the Astros and Yankees in terms of analytics is that the Yankees analyse baseball stats and the Astros process information.
You hit the nail on the head, Emac… If you’re not going to give up coveted prospects at the deadline, you need to spend and spend more wisely.
I get being loyal to Gardy and CC, but Cash could have signed Corbin and Morton for comparable annual $ instead of resigning them as well as Happ.
other than the result that Happ is struggling and Morton isn’t, what’s the logic that Happ was a bad signing? Happ flourished in the AL East and had a 7-0 record once the Yankees traded for him. I wish the Yankees signed both but it’s so easy to hate on Happ simply because of the results. Happ was a logical sign.
For starters, I’m comparing the $ spent annually on Morton and Corbin to that spent on CC, Gardner, and Happ.
I would say Corbin and Happ are the more logical comparison, as both are lefties. I doubt the Yankees were planning on going into the season with 4 lefties in the rotation(CC, Pax, Happ, and Corbin). I could be wrong, but it seems cashman preferred Happ to Corbin.
If you want to compare Morton to Happ though, Charlie is a year younger, $4mm cheaper, statistically better the last three years, and a right hander.
Well said. When an entire rotation needs to be rebuilt proclaiming “Jordan Montgomery” or “Jonathan Loaisiga” is not the solution.
If the Yankees don’t bring back the mouse in Left Field and CC needs to retire. Go out and get Corbin. What do they do? Bring back two old men. I never seen one of the biggest mistake of my life from the Yankees. Complete fools.
I cannot tell you how many time I type or mentioned to people don’t bring back CC and Gardner and sign Corbin holy cow!!!
Those two things are seperate. How was Cash supposed to know that Happ would fall apart 1 year removed from being a 17 game winner between Tor and NY or that Severino would suffer a significant injury?
I’d be harder on Cashman if he had a rotation that was performing well, 1-4, and then the addition of a top tier starter would really turbocharge things. But the Yankee rotation has been strafed. One guy, no matter how good, isn’t going to change that. And as for Stroman, it was obvious that the price the Mets got was lower than whatever Toronto was asking from the Yankees–and if the rumors that the Mets tried to flip Stroman to the Yankees for a lot more, I don’t blame the Yankees for saying no. In fact, if I were Toronto’s FO, I’d never do business with the Mets again.
So you think the Yankees should give up instead of trading for a number one starter that would make every other starter better by bumping them down one rotation slot?
Have you noticed their record this year?
The goal isn’t a perfect 10 score it’s to win. ( I can’t believe I have to point this out to so many people) They’re the best team in baseball and adding a number one starter absolutely does make a huge difference.
No, I didn’t say that. Of course their rotation would be better if they landed an ace. It’s a price question.
Big George Steinbrenner would have landed Greneike or Strohman or Boyd etc…
Yanks better sign some free agent starters, since their current rotation is not championsihip caliber..
Boy did the F up in the off season already
@sportsFanoooo Funny how people have selective memory when someones dead. Please oh please remind me of what championship teams George put together after 1978. I’ll wait. He had nothing to do with the Yanks from 96 on. I do remember 20 some odd managers in 15 years. I do remember crushing trades involving young prospects for the likes of an over the hill Rick Rhoden. I do remember him being banished from baseball making decisions because of what he did to Winfield. Just amazing…..
Toronto probably won’t do business with the Mets ever again. They got them with the Dickey trade and now this.
Rumours of the Jays asking for Torres for Stroman aren’t true. Media guys in Toronto publicly said Toronto’s front office denied that but they did want one out of their best 2 pitching prospects.
See as a Yankee fan that was the name I heard that they wanted Torres. I’m willing to believe what Toronto is saying because if that was the type of return they wanted they would not have just turned around two days later and traded Stroman for a couple of guys who probably will never make it on the major-league roster.
The biggest issue in the Yankees organization and this is coming from a diehard Yankees fan and have been since the mid-1980s Brian Cashman treat every top ranked prospect like they are made out of gold. Right now the Yankees farm system has two prospects in MLB top 50 and five prospects in MLB top 100 prospect rankings. Brian is not going to trade any of them for a picture with one or only two years of team control because he looks at a guy like Clark Schmidt or a guy like Danny Garcia and says “if they perform at this level like they have in the minor leagues that is at least six years of team control“ so to get those guys you would have to pin Brian down on the ground your foot on his neck with a gun to his head. And even at that point you have a 50-50 shot of getting his prospects. Right now for Brian to give up Danny Garcia it would have to be for a Cy Young winner with at least three years left on his contract because Garcia is only 20 years old and has buzzed through the entire minor-league system and is now already at AAA. Brian would have to be blown away with a player to make that deal because I believe in Brian‘s head Garcia will try out in February to make the starting rotation as the fifth starter. Also Zack Grinke he was not that player he had no interest in him has not had any interest in him since his days in Kansas City. Zack Grenchi suffers from anxiety disorder and he thinks he would bomb in New York City.
As a Tribe fan, I was hoping we could bring Frazier home. I think Cleveland’s FO chose Cincy to avoid strengthening potential playoff rival… I know the Yankees are planning on out-hitting everyone come playoff time but an upgrade was definitely in order…
To have anything work with the Yankees it would have taken a three team trade as well and the trade the Indians made that netted them two mlb hitters. All the Yankees could have given was Frazier. The option that the Indians chose was better since Logan Allen is better than any Yankee pitcher that they would have been offered and Reyes is a solid locker room presence with is also better than Frazier. Also better for the Tribe to trade Bauer to the National League.
I keep seeing the word ‘overpaying’ being used. But the concept of overpaying needs be balanced with the concept of overvaluing. Prospect value is all supposition. Too many guys that had promise don’t pan out. If the Yankees don’t win the WS, and later on some of those prospects disappoint, it will put the idea of overpaying into proper context.
I am a farm-first RS fan. But sometimes you have to make a move. This is probably the best position the NYY have had in many years with the RS faltering.
In Cashman we trust.
there is no crying in baseball. get a grip
I wanna ask all baseball fans
Are the Yankees better with
Gardner and CC
Or
Corbin and Morton
I’m going with Corbin and Morton.
Answer the question don’t beach around the bush and no what if’s.
What an incredibly inappropriate question. Let me enhance the question for you.
Are the Yankees better with
Wade & Tulo,
Or
Harper, Machado,
Everyone in the world knows who’s better, but the two pieces aren’t even remotely close to being interchangeable.
Harper and Machado
Everyone in the world knows but they wanna ask questions about Cc and Gardner.
Yankees should have walked far away from both but they didn’t.
Oncve of the biggest blunders this off season was not going after Corbin PERIOD. Instead they throw cash at total crap.
@louiebans You are funny. So what was the conversation? We offered Corbin $120 million but we can’t go over that because we have to sign Gardner for 1/$8 mil? Yeesuz your silly,
Is it at all conceivable that, for whatever reason, maybe Morton simply didn’t want to play in NY?
You keep telling yourself that.
Keep believing they couldn’t have done better. Stop inhaling that stuff they keep shoveling in your face.
This team simply PUT COULD HAVE been better with nothing more then cash in the off season. You know it and we all know it!
I never said they COULDN’T be better. What I said was that the money used for Gardner and Sabathia had no impact on restricting them from obtaining other players. It’s evident since they used Corbjns money to sign Happ, DJ, Britton and Ottavino. CC and Gardner were signed prior to Corbin signing with the Nats and the guys I mentioned were signed after missing on Corbin.
Any team that would ask for Gleyber Torres for a rental is just ridiculous.. Frazier I could understand but just him. Ok we got nothing.. but we’re in first. We also don’t need to fear the Astros.. we took them to 7 games 2 years ago. We beat Morton and Sale and own Price. Time to get the lumber out.. get Stanton healthy and see what sevy and Dellin have to give us. All who said we are the Yankees and had to do something.. relax remember we Are The Yankees
Honest I don’t give up Frazier for Robbie Ray.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think the Yankees long-term plans are for Frazier? He’s not as good as Stanton, Hicks or Judge. He might not be a better all-around player than Tauchman.
Doesn’t matter at this point really another Joba 2.0 or Phil Huges 2.0. Only screwed this kid up. He should be out in LF instead of Brett Garbage that’s what I BELIEVE AND THINK!
Not sure what that means. Any other NYY fans want to offer up a version of Frazier’s future?because I’m not seeing his fit with the NYY. That’s got to be part of the calculus of keeping a prospect, that they fill a need.
I have no idea what the off field personality clay is about, if real but he pretty much said publicly that he wanted Gardner to start in LF, Frazier in AAA knocking off the rust from missing most of 2018 recovering from concussion and eventually take the job over. Why exactly is he in AAA? Not sure. His defense was always good prior to this season. I wonder if it’s something you do with his concussion but seems unlikely stove his bat thrived. .285/.330/.500++ with 11 homers was great. He needs to work on his plate discipline but I think he’s going to be a solid .260/.330 25-30 hrs if he can play everyday. I doubt Gardner comes back as a starter. They passed on Harper/Bradbury/Markakis this past winter and we don’t have anyone on the farm that’s ready. I have to think of not used to get a starter then he’ll be back up shortly.
Pardon typos.
Frazier in AAA knocking off the rust from missing most of 2018 recovering from concussion and eventually take the job over.
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Stanton is a bit rough at times, but he is a better fielder than Frazier. So why would Frazier take over LF?
FG says Stanton is +6 DRS with the NYY, and Frazier -12.
The last time the Yankees looked like George’s Yankees was 2014. The Red Sox won and they went out and got Elsbury and McCann. Both turned into pumpkins but they went after improving the team. After that they kept passing on free agents.
I really thought they were going to go after Corbin this off season and have a nice 1 – 2 punch with Severino. I don’t understand the fascination with Frazier and some of their prospects. They have a lineup and bullpen that could win it all and a rotation that is less than mediocre.
there is a balance here. Cash f’ed up. The sticks are ready to go, the pen is rather solid if not spectacular or as advertised. For a team with a mission and purpose, with more resources than g-d, Cash screwed the pooch.
He is the most overrated GM out there period. Inexcusable that with all the money he has doled out on payroll, all the resources he has in the front office for scouting , analytics, and technology, that he has been to less world series’ in the last 18 years as the royals and phillies and rockies and as many as the mets, white sox, rangers and rays. PATHETIC
Give someone else a chance. someone in between cashman and george in style and approach.
#cashmustgo
#cashmustgo
Let me wrap this up and put a bow tie on many of the new Millennial Yankee fans that don’t understand how baseball works other then pretend fantasy baseball they play on here:
1-Grienke full no trade to NY and widely known he would not waive.
2- Arizona Rob Ray asking price was beyond ridiculous for a pitcher in the NL who walks the world. They wanted Frazier, Clarke, and 2 more top ten prospects and Ray isn’t gonna be a game changer especially since he walks the world which is no bueno in playoffs.
3- Bauer announced right after trade he has been pitching injured all season with a torn ligament in his landing ankle! The Yanks new this and were not comfortable trading for a guy who was not gonna be close to 100% for playoffs.
4- Stroman ask was Gleyber from Toronto and Mets wanted Florial, Garcia and another prospect which is way more then they paid and just plain crazy seeing as if Stroman is a #3 at best and had a high 5 ERA just last season. He doesn’t miss bats!
5- Wheeler has recently had shoulder concerns and is a rental and Mets wanted Garcia and Frazier for him which again is ridiculous for a pitcher with a 4.98 ERA in the NL and is a rental. Another guy who at best is a number 3 even if he is a #2 on Yanks it’s still too risky with recent DL stint.
6- Noah wasn’t even an option since the Mets wanted Gleyber and if not Gleyber the entire farm! Noah also always hurt.
7- MadBum was never gonna be dealt and ya also a reveal pitching in a pitchers NL park and pitching like a #3 at best in a NL Park.
I hope this insight into why the Yanks didn’t acquire a starter has helped you uninformed fans who wants to hang Cashman one of if not the best GM in baseball.
Ohhh as far as Corbin the Yanks were trying to avoid that top salary cap hit which would force them to lose draft picks, international money, and the fact is he’s a NL pitcher which doesn’t always translate good in the AL.
Keuchel has lost his fastball and was getting spanked regularly last season and belongs in the NL.
Verlander and Detroit asking price was more then Houston and at the time the Yanks were at the very top of the salary cap.
First off the Yankees have an outfield ready prospect in Clint Frazier. Secondly the mets gm said straight out that he would have traded Marcus stroman to the Yankees for estevan florial and deivi and Cashman just said no instead countering. Florial has no path to play in pinstripes in Yankees stadium. Cashman has not made a good move since 2012 if not longer. Should be fired
How the heck do you know what Cashman and Mets GM spoke about when it was widely reported the Mets gave a price and would not negotiate it plus the ask if Devi and Florial alone without another prospect which is inaccurate is tremendously more then what Mets gave up and while I get that your a met fam you have zero credibility stating Cashman should be fired since you didn’t get our two best prospects plus for Stroman! Lol
How the heck do you know what Cashman and Mets GM spoke about
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Not for nothing, but you just posted a 7-part essay on what was being offered and what people were thinking..
How did you find out about what everyone was asking for? I’ve pretty much seem nothing but generic statements about what other teams were asking for.
Widely reported but still waiting how you know what was said.
I don’t know what was said, nor did I ever pretend to know what was said.
Nor do you.
Cash cannot get fired as he was only doing what Hal told him. There was no desire to upgrade the pitching staff. They say one thing, but do something other. Besides, Hal has stated that as long as the team is competitive he will not upgrade to win a World Series….only the Astros are interested in winning!
I was very surprised that Cashman did not make a move. But hey, you never know. Maybe he’s counting on the “ghosts” of previous championships to step up.
Boo!