Let’s check in on the Halos, who made one of the biggest splashes of the offseason last week with the signing of superstar third baseman Anthony Rendon to a seven-year, $245MM contract…
- The Angels made their send notable rotation pickup of the offseason Thursday, agreeing to sign right-hander Julio Teheran to a one-year, $9MM guarantee. Teheran and the previously acquired Dylan Bundy should help improve the Angels’ starting staff in 2020, but the team still hasn’t added a much-needed front-line hurler this offseason. But now that Teheran, Bundy and Rendon are in the fold, does the club have the financial flexibility to reel in yet another rotation upgrade? Perhaps. As Jeff Fletcher of the Southern California News Group observes, the Angels currently have an actual payroll around $170MM and a luxury-tax outlay in the $181MM range – $27MM below the threshold. The former figure would be a franchise-record amount for the Angels, though owner Arte Moreno has indicated the team’s payroll would rise in 2020. It’s just unclear what his limit is.
- Signing either lefty Hyun-Jin Ryu or fellow southpaw Dallas Keuchel would put yet another significant dent in the Angels’ payroll. No matter, the team appears to be in on both hurlers. The Angels and agent Scott Boras (who also represents Rendon) have had “multiple conversations” about Ryu and Keuchel, Maria Torres of the Los Angeles Times writes. However, Torres notes that a deal with the Angels isn’t imminent for either pitcher. Ryu (three years, $54MM) and Keuchel (three/39) are MLBTR’s highest-rated remaining pitchers in terms of potential earning power.
- Regardless of how many moves the Angels make this winter, there may not be a more important development in 2020 than getting two-way star Shohei Ohtani back to full health. The right-hander/designated hitter was unable to pitch at all last season after undergoing Tommy John surgery in October 2018. Fortunately, though, the 25-year-old Ohtani has fully recovered from that serious procedure, Fletcher relays (Twitter links). Looking ahead to 2020, Ohtani only figures to pitch once a week, which aligns with the schedule he grew accustomed to in Japan before immigrating to the United States.
Angels should just sign Ryu. He’s been insanely good when healthy, and has pitched 24+ starts in 4 out of 6 years in the MLB. He would balance out the rotation and if he gets 3 years, it’s really not that long of a deal when you look at the deal Cole signed. It would be so high upside and relatively low risk given that it’s only a 3 year commitment.
Ryu got bombed by the Yankees in 2019, plus he had a bad 2018 playoffs. I don’t think Ryu stuff plays against a top line-up, which is why he’s still on the market because his stats the last 2 yrs make it seem like he’s Tom Glavine esque
He should be so lucky to be Hall of Famer Tom Glavine esque
We have to get to the playoffs to worry about that. Ryu helps get us there.
I think Keuchel’s game fits our team. Ground balls for Rendon, Simba, and Fletcher. Sign me up.
I agree. Plus now they have 4 or 5 back end starters to provide depth if/when Ryu gets injured. While keuchel is less of a risk, Ryu has ace potential.
Heaney and Ohtani are not back of the rotation starters. Canning is ranked higher than Puk. Othani was ranked higher than Luzardo. Heaney was ranked the 25th best prospect in baseball, his stuff is the same, his health hasn’t been.
Talent isn’t the issue for this staff. I wouldn’t expect non-Angel fans to know that.
If healthy ohtani could easily be a number 2 type starter. Heaney is back of the end rotation guy no doubt. Citing what their product status used to be is absolutely pointless.
It’s not pointless. It’s only pointless if they have lost stuff. Heaney has not. Bundy has. So in his case it’s pointless.
i like al conin
It’s pointless. Have to go with their MLB results. Benintendi was ranked no. 1 and hasn’t lived up to it. Goldschmidt was never ranked high. Prospect rankings are not entirely scientific.
I’d rather they sign Dallas. He’s cheaper and has a better track record with health.
trade for Clevinger or Price. get Maldonado. done
If you want clevinger (who angels had and traded for nothing) be ready to give up Adele. Clevinger is a cost controlled front line starter
“Adele” yeah just trade the pop star.
Body by Bartolo
I would love to get Clevinger for Adele, but we are keeping Adell.
Send Adele now…..
“HELLO FROM THE OTHER SIDE”
I’d give up Adell for Clevinger. Adell won’t be ready for another two years anyways, and honestly, he might not pan out. We need to win!!! Clevinger at the top of our rotation gives a chance.
…Uhh Adell should be up by May of this year. And there’s no way the Angels are trading him
Adell is projected to be ready this year. Where in the world did you hear 2 years??
Mr. Ward, you’re making stuff up. All reports have said Adell will join the team early in 2020. That’s why we let Calhoun go. It’s very unlikely that he doesn’t “pan out”. Oh, and the Angels have said over and over again that he is not available for trade.
That is an impressive collection of incorrect statements, Mr Ward. Bravo.
dynamite drop in monty
Are you the guy who put us in that Ramada in Milwaukee
they’d have to give up adell to get Clevinger, no thanks. Depends on the price tag that comes with Price. if they can get him at 13-15 a year, go for it
I would trade Adell in minute for Clevenger, he is a young ace!!
Clevenger is 29
With a bad back. I wouldn’t make the trade.
#1 Youre not a Angel fan thats why you would make that move.
#2 You dont know squat about talent.
I’m an Angels fan but there’s no guarantee that Adell will be that great. Trade a high ceiling for a known quantity.
Angels should trade Adell, Canning and Fletcher for DeGrom.
who’s trading away degrom?
How about Adell, Canning and Fletcher for Connereas and Hendricks?
LMAO you must be a Cubs fan.
No way, Degrom isnt worth that pkg. Fletcher is a star in the making, Canning will end up a #2 or 3 and Adell has all star potential
Fletcher isn’t a star in the making
jbibz – “Fletcher isn’t a star in the making”. You must not watch the Angels. Fletcher is a solid young player with star potential unfolding. He already has defensive highlight footage and his bat is solid. Watch a few Angels games this year and you will see it for yourself.
Fletch will be a .300 hitter. His defense is sparkling and hes a great clubhouse guy. With Andrelton Simmoms set to be an FA in 2021 he could very well be their SS of the future. If not he can play every infield position except 1B and plugs into LF admirably. He has value as a controllable player as well
Clevinger for sure. Marsh is blocked so they should be able to get him for a package of prospects that have no clear path to the bigs with the Angels. Plus he comes with a couple years of control.
Marsh, Sandoval, Rengifo ?
Marsh isn’t blocked. He is slated for AAA in 2020, since he was AA last season.
The Angels will have Marsh for seven seasons. Just like they will have Adell for seven season. With a top heavy payroll, the Angels need these guys.
Clevinger yes….9rest of that is bigggg no or not necessary.
If the Angels balked at Kluber’s price, what do you think they’ll do with Clevinger’s sky high price? Price is way more likely since the BoSox are trying to dump some salary, but the Angels may not be able to take enough money now, which will mean they’ll have to give up more to offset the salary Boston will have to keep. I think Keuchel is their best fit. None of the durability issues of Ryu despite Ryu having an incredible 2019.
Presumably they balked at Kluber’s price because Kluber is a former ace whereas Clevinger is very much a current ace.
They balked at Kluber because the Indians wanted more than Marsh.
And if they were looking for Marsh and an RP. I’m glad the Angels said no.
If the Angels don’t sign Ryu or Keuchel or trade for a frontline starter then Eppler has to go. If the best he can do is add two 4-5 starters when he knew he needed frontline pitching then he is the worst GM in baseball.
The issue that the Angels have is they clearly were in on Cole and wanted him. The Yankees clearly were not going to lose Cole and gave him a contract he could not refuse and it would of been silly for the Angels to match that contract.
The fact that Wheeler signed before Cole is unfortunate because I think the Angels would pivoted to Wheeler if he was still available but he signed early.
I’m guessing the Angels will sign one of those last two pitchers but if the bidding goes insane then probably better to move on. I guess what I am saying is that Eppler can’t be blamed for not signing Wheeler or Cole and maybe not Ryu and Keuchel. This is coming from a non Angel fan but I think under the circumstance the Angels made some solid signings and looking back I think we will see that.
it was reported that Wheeler preferred to stay on the East Coast for family reasons so I don’t think he was ever a plan for the Angels….I do agree they focusing too much on Cole was a bad plan…
Focusing on Cole made the most sense as Stras made it pretty clear he preferred to go back to DC and Wheeler wanted to stay on the East Coast. The Angels if anything should have been trying to get two of the mid tier guys signed, but they went early as well.
I disagree with you focusing on cole should’ve focused on Wheeler sign him first and then try to sign Cole afterwards
I think you are right. Wheeler is the one that got away. But I’ll take Rendon and Keuchel/Ryu.
I think Ryu works because I think the Angels will be going to a six man to start the season. Less wear and tear on the pitchers who need to be healthy.
They’re going 6 man rotation for Ohtani. It’s gonna be exactly the plan as 2018 for his workload. This has always been the case.
I like Anthony Rendon In our lineup but if the angels can’t get an ace Starting pitcher to solidify the rotation there going to have to win a lot of 10 to 9 run games out hit out scores the opponents
It is amazing how many people just gloss over the fact Wheeler was offered more money by the White Sox than what he accepted from the Phillies, because his wife wanted to be closer to family in south Jersey. And the public response to what he got from the Phillies was that it looked like an overpay.
So how much money was Eppler supposed to have offered Wheeler to convince his family to have their base of operations be on the West Coast? And how loud would the Angels fans have been that he overpaid for Wheeler, since the deal would need to have been substantially more than the White Sox offer?
There is absolutely no pleasing some people.
Is it just inconceivable to them that Eppler made an inquiry and was told by Wheeler’s agent that the preference was to remain on the East Coast?
I’m not glossing over it. Wheeler didn’t want to play in Chicago. Who would? Orange Country isn’t Chicago.
I was hoping the angels would have signed wheeler and not waited on cole that was a huge mistake on Eppler’s I have been calling for Billy Eppler head last year For the free agents he signed I would’ve fired him at the end of the season last year
contracts that large is not the realm of the gm’s. owners make decisions.
Well a good owner Should leave baseball decisions in the hands of smart baseball minds arte has made poor choices handpicking free agents Vernon wells Josh Hamilton Albert Pujols also hand picking Reagan DiPoto Eppler these three never held the title as a general manager before
Wells was a trade. Not a free agent.
No way, Degrom isnt worth that pkg. Fletcher is a star in the making, Canning will end up a #2 or 3 and Adell has all star potentialVernon Wells wasmt a Free Agent
Made their *second* noticeable addition
White Sox need to offer Ryu 3 yrs/63 mil that may be enuff to get him to the Southside. Wake up Rick Hahn time is now Tigers, Royals & Cleveland are in the early stages of a rebuild. Will we wait for them to complete their rebuilds before we spend?
Cleveland is not in a rebuild, not even the early stages of one.
Really what the heck are they doing tell me what’s Cleveland doing Is Delino DeShields they’re starting centerfielder is that double a relief pitcher there closer?
The Indian’s owner is trying to tank and move the team to Miami. Major League is more of a prophecy and less of a movie. Watch when the closer comes out this year, they are going to be playing “Wild Thing”.
If the Angels dont get Ryu and Keuchel they are not even going to be close to contending. Their pitching is just dismal compared to the A’s, Rangers and Astros staffs.
I agree with you you’re gonna have to go and trade for Ray from Arizona or gray from Colorado or fire Billy Appler Arte MorenoLeave baseball decisions to the to the baseball executives he hires
Have you compared the Angels starting pitching to the A’s? It’s obvious you haven’t.
You should do it sometime.
You got Julio Teheran and Dylan Bundy. Exactly like last year with Matt Harvey and Cahill. Two more back end starters.
But, by all means, go ahead and compare them to the A’s: Puk, Luzardo, Manaea. Montas and Fiers. That is a better rotation than what the Halos are throwing out there. Let’s give that homeristic garbage an ice bath.
We will just add “Teheran and Bundy are exactly like Harvey and Cahill” to the list of things you know nothing about.
People are crazy. Last year Harvey and Cahill were the Angels 3rd and 4th starters. Teheran and Bundy will be the Angels 5th and 6th starters.
Teheran compares amazingly well to Fiers. And like Fiers, I wouldn’t judge Teheran by his FIP. And right now Fiers will be the opening day starter for the A’s.
Ryu is used to LA, seems like a perfect fit as a guy who provide quality innings when healthy and provide opportunity for younger guys when injured (similar to the Dodgers).
Trout and Ohtani need to feel financially supported.
Typo…“The Angels made their second* notable…”
Ryu: 3/$66m…2/45 guaranteed with 3rd yr $2m buyout /team or performance vested option.
$21m + $22m + $2m buyout or $21m. The injury history would make me wary of a guarantee beyond 2yrs.
Keuchel makes more sense for the Angels. He fits their team better. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t end up with them.
Plus we still need to do something behind the plate. I think it’s Keuchel or Matt Boyd. Tigers say they want near ready prospects and the Halos have a few that fit the bill. Marsh/Thaiss/Rengifo/Jones are all position players who are ready for the show. Jordyn Adams and Jeremiah Jackson are farther away but DET may want to take a look at them as well. Really want to keep Marsh though…
angels are signing both ryu and keuchel! you heard it here first!
…and probably last. Lmao.
@Vizionaire….I don’t see them adding 2 more LHP SP…1 maybe but not 2…
ryu, ohtani, keuchel, heaney, bundy and teheran. allows ohtani to pitch once a week. canning spends one more season in the minors to get healthier and better. the rest can come up to spot-start or long-relief.
I don’t understand the hype with Canning. Dude got lit-up after his first few starts.
he has high potential and was an early first round prospect. ucla over-used him and teams stayed away from him until the angels picked him in the second round.
Canning is ready. He was 56th best prospect in baseball and did nothing to show he wasn’t ready.
can he stay healthy in the bigs? that’s the question.
Canning got lit up his first few starts? Do you follow the Angels?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the first pitcher in history to retire the first nine batters he faced with six consecutive strikeouts.
If not, it’s a very very short list.
Canning has four+ pitches and commands them all.
Can Puk stay healthy. Lazardo? Manea? The two staffs are amazingly similar. The big difference, as it stands now, is the PED user who only pitched well the year he got caught taking PEDs vs Bundy.
Ohtani, higher rated pitching prospect than Lazardo.
Canning, BP ranks him better than Puk and Puk is coming of a serious injury.
Manea and Heaney were both good prospects, Heaney was better. And both can’t stay healthy.
Teheran vs Fiers.
Then you have the PED user vs Bundy.
Same questions, same type talent. But nobody questions the A’s staff and everyone questions the Angels.
Yeah it’s a real wonder that no one is giving Angels pitching the benefit of the doubt.
What I don’t understand is how everyone is raving about the A’s staff and completely dissing the Angels staff. They are amazingly similar.
Likely because there have been results to earn the raves in Oakland. The 2019 version of the A’s won 97 games, with their pitching ranked 8th in baseball per FG while the Angels ranked 29th, giving up 188 more runs than the A’s.
On paper, which is where your evaluation of the staff comes from, there’s potential, but As it stands now, with that familiar Angels refrain, the number of things that have to go right for the pitching staff in 2020 is not small. I’m an Angels fan, so fingers crossed.
The A’s staff is completely different than last year. Three expected starters pitched about 50 innings last year. Another, the PED guy, under 100. Coming into last year, their PED guy had a negative lifetime WAR.
The Angels staff is also completely different than last year.
So an A’s staff plagued by injuries managed to be 188 runs better than an Angels staff plagued by injuries. I don’t follow how the A’s being healthy and adding their two top prospects to the mix is a negative.
“Ohtani, higher rated pitching prospect than Lazardo.”
Ohtani ever being a “prospect” is a stretch and him returning to form is a big ?. He’ll also obviously be on an innings limit and likely pitch every 6th day. Luzardo (BP #13, BA #7) is expected to anchor the rotation as a rookie.
“Canning, BP ranks him better than Puk and Puk is coming of a serious injury.”
Puk slid down the 2019 rankings because he was still rehabbing. Healthy he was a top 30 prospect #19 in BA!) or about 30-40ish spots higher than Canning.
Looked pretty damned healed finishing out the season with 10 bullpen appearances with the club while Canning was shut down with elbow issues. He certainly seems like the bigger dice roll healthwise. If they’re both healthy Puk is better.
“Manea and Heaney were both good prospects, Heaney was better.”
And since both have pitched multiple years in the majors, their ranks as prospects are immaterial. Manea takes this one
“Teheran vs Fiers”
Close if Teheran can get those walks trending the other way.
“Then you have the PED user vs Bundy.”
Right, so that one goes to Montas.
A’s have Bassitt in case one of the rookies comes slow out of the gate and a shut down bullpen. and The Angels need a 6th man for that rotation.
As is, Angels pitching could be better than last year’s, but -188 runs allowed better? Not yet.
Manaea blows Heaney away. Their prospects rankings are completely irrelevant at this point, obviously. But I want to point this out—Being the #39 prospect in baseball and being the #73 prospect in baseball is pretty irrelevant. That’s a highly subjective ranking in the first place.
There are blue chips guys at the very top; but the difference b/w guys lower down on that list is extremely small. And obviously varies from list to list and team to team.
Canning Dominated his first 5 or 6 professional games Yes he faded towards the end I believe he had arm issues not bad for a rookie cut him some slack Jack
No one on the A’s died during the season. The best pitcher on the Angels died.
Luzardo hasn’t done anything yet. He pitched in relief in the 6 innings he threw in the majors. When he does actually make double digit starts, then you can make claims. Ohtani was the #1 overall prospect and then backed it up by being one of the best in 2018. We know his skill level at the major league level..
Manea are Montas are better pitchers when they are healthy and not suspended than Heaney and Bundy. Problem for the A’s is that Bundy will get about the same amount the innings as both of them combined.
Puk was hurt and Canning was pitching. Advantage Canning. Puk peaked at the #35 overall prospect. That a major injury knocked Puk down the rankings is not a positive for him.
Teheran Fiers is a toss up.
You are right about needing a 6th man. We also need a catcher.
Add Ryu or Keuchel and the Angels have a deeper and better rotation.
That being said, i fully expect Beane to come up with some cheap solution to make the A’s rotation work again this year.
Alright, if you and struts want to hold onto this A’s+Angels Pitching = pretty much equal thing like a security blanket I’m not going to snatch it from you. Like I said, I’m an Angel fan, so I hope maybe you guys saying it enough might make it true.
Ontario – a runs scored differential is just as much a hitting stat as it is a pitching stat.
Last time Manea pitched 100 innings, his K rate was 6.0 per nine. Heaney was 11.1 last year. Heaney hasn’t lost his stuff, he can’t stay healthy.
I don’t know anyone with a 6.0 per nine K rate who blows anyone away. Heaney has never been healthy. Manaea hasn’t been healthy the last two years.
I understand why you think Manaea is better, But he’s going to have to miss more bats. If they both pitch the same amount of innings this year, I’ll take Heaney.
Canning last three starts he had a 2.12 ERA. 17 IP. 17Ks
He closed well as well.
What the A’s did last year is irrelevant. Same with the Angels. Both are entirely different staffs.
Puk had TJ. And you do drop down the rankings. Not everyone comes back from TJ surgery. Especially the first year back. For 2020, I’d rather have Canning. And you are basing his comeback on 11 innings out of the bullpen in September, that’s crazy.
Before the PED user got caught with PEDs, he had a negative lifetime WAR. There is a reason he took PEDs.
MLB had Othani the #1 pitching prospect in baseball. He is coming of TJ, but Luzardo was hurt most of last year and pitched 55 innings. If you are sold on one, that’s great. I’m not.
Heaney has never been healthy, and Manaea struck out 6 batters per nine innings the last year he was. Heaney stuck out 11.1 per nine last year, and he wasn’t healthy. Arm wise, there is no comparison. None. If the two are healthy, I’ll take Heaney.
Bassit is important. Do you think he’ll match the next guy the Angels pick up?
These staffs are amazingly similar. With amazingly similar questions.
By Ryu and Keuchel you mean Andrew Cashner, right?
Just a thought, but why would the Angels, a team that has been snake-bitten when it comes to keeping starting pitchers healthy, want either of Price or Ryu?
Because when he pitches, he’s beyond good. He’s elite. The Angels now have two pitchers who should combine for well over 300 innings. That will allow them to baby Ryu, Ohtani, Canning and Heaney. and use a six man.
The Angels can shut down Ryu or Heaney or Ohtani for a month and still have a staff capable of taking the ball every 5th day.
Better yet we can skip Ryu, Heaney, and Ohtani’s pots in the rotation when they are hurting and give them 4-5 extra days rest.
I can’t stand Arte, or Eppler.
There is no direction with this franchise and I’ve grown sick and tired of it. We have the LA curse!
Let’s be honest, Arte just spent $245mil on a player we don’t need! He botched signing a top tier SP and to make headlines, he signs Rendon and again, disregard pitching. It’s the same freaking story with this guy!
This was the FA class to put together a winning team, and what does Arte/Eppler do? They pull down their pants and poop in our cereal. But hey, I should be used to by now, right? Arte doesn’t want to build a winner. His actions have made that perfectly clear. Enjoy 4th place.
leave and shut. better for your mental health.
What? That wasn’t even a sentence…
Arte is a terrible owner and Eppler is a horrible GM.
Prove me wrong.
The Angels don’t need a 3rd baseman and someone who can bat behind Trout? Are you a Taylor Ward fan and is bitter because he’s not going to play?
You’ve written some dumb things, but the Angels not needing a batter to hit behind Trout might be the dumbest.
They didn’t need to spend $245mil.
Donaldson, Moustakas would’ve sufficed.
That way they could spend more on pitching. I went into this FA class saying that the Angels needed a bat around Trout, didn’t think they’d spend that much on a position player over pitching is all I’m sayin’
Donaldson sure. Moustakas behind Trout? Getting a 3rd baseman allows the team to move Fletcher to 2nd and allows them to have a bat behind Trout. And the best two, three, four combination in baseball. There isn’t a close second.
So now they have the best outfield in baseball and the best middle of the order in baseball. Maybe the best defensive infield in baseball.
Such a horrible move. Rendon is a huge piece.
Best 2-3-4 in baseball? Best outfield? Color me confused unless you’re fully buying into Upton as healthy and productive and Adell supplanting Goodwin and starting the season on fire.
Don’t get me wrong, they are in consideration for both, primarily to the greatness of Trout, but it’s not cut and dry.
Also don’t sleep on La Stella, he and Fletcher probably platoon at 2B with Fletcher filling in around the infield. Rendon was a perfect signing for that team. Cole would have been as well but he got the Godfather offer from the Evil Empire.
Angels should be in on both Ryu and Jason Castro at this point as well.
Lol they don’t have the best OF in baseball. Upton is a train wreck in LF, I haven’t seen a full season with Goodwin, so idk, but yeah, I can agree with best infield.
I’m not saying getting Rendon was a horrible move, it’s just a typical Arte move. We need pitching, he spends $245 on a 3B instead. Granted a lot of the pitchers didn’t want to play here, so the next best draw or investment was Rendon. I’m cool with that, but if we cherry pick pitching (which we’re doing), then the move makes no sense. And it’s frustrating.
You’ve made your point, Ward. We get it that you don’t understand the game, the players, or the business. No need to keep reinforcing this.
Yes Ward. Pick your outfield I’ll take the WAR of Upton/Trout/Adell/Goodwynn.
Upton a trainwreck. The previous two years he had the 23rd best wRC+ in baseball. You keep proving you don’t know a think about baseball.
Yes, Trout skews the scales, but it doesn’t take away from the Angels having the best outfield in baseball.
By the way, last year the Angels might have had the best outfield WAR without Upton or Adell. It’s hard to tell, the Angels ranked 4th. But the data included DHs who sometimes played outfield.
Really who would have guessed.
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There is plenty of direction. Eppler has worked hard to rebuild their farm system with Arte backing off to allow the organization to replenish its depth. They finally have a good young core again with the ability to supplement. And yes, there very much needed Rendon. You still need to add offensive depth, especially in an era of high offense and power. That takes care of an important spot for when the contracts of Pujols and Upton expire. It also creates a black hole for opposing lineups on the left side of the infield. You’re talking like the Angels wasted their money and screwed themselves out of being able to buy pitching. Not the case. It has been widely reported that Cole, Stras, and MadBum all signed where they wanted to go regardless of what any other franchise was offering. The Angels still left themselves with plenty of money to add good pitching when signing Rendon. Teheran and Bundy were solid pickups for innings. And they still have enough money to add Keuchel or Ryu. I prefer Keuchel because of the ground ball factor. Angels pitching is already looking much better.
You have to look at Arte track record since he’s own the team Vernon Wells Albert Pujols Josh Hamilton Arte Not a very good handicapper l have been saying this for a few years Let the baseball people you hire make baseball decisions Spend the money on some good general managers next time
Talking about general managers let’s talk about the three general managers that Arte hired Tony Reagan Jerry DiPoto Billy Eppler All three were assistance
Under Disney general manager
Bill Stoneman 2002 World Series I’ve been an angel fan since 1966 Disappointed under Arte leader ship
Breathe…. Arte and Eppler had nothing to do with Cole wanting to be a Yank, Wheeler wanting you stay in the East coast, and Bumgarner wanting to play in Arizona. Arte made a smart business and baseball by signing Rendon. If they can add another SP via trade or free agency, then I believe they will competitive in the West and WC. As for your comment about “no direction” again, I say: breath… Arte is the Steinbrenner of the West Coast, with horrible luck. Eppler is a smart baseball guy with a few bad signings last year. Let’s see how things play out.
Some reports say Angels interested in Boyd, what prospects could he bring?
Not much. A couple of mid level prospects, 45 FV, would get that trade made. In Angels system that is anyone ranked below #5 in the system.
Detroit would probably want Thaiss/Rengifo/Fletcher In the deal
MLB Tonight on MLB Network was saying its reported that Ryu already has a 4 year deal in hand and is trying for a 5th year. HARD PASS.
I highly doubt he is going to get a 5th year, but he’ll get four. I believe it will be between 17 and 20 million a year. If the Angels want him, then they better pay for the guy they want. If you are going to go for it, go for it.
Would you want Ryu 4/$78 guaranteed or…
David Price 3/$55-60m
(assuming BOS pays $12-15m per year of the 3/96m owed) and doesn’t cost a top 20 Angels prospect. (i.e. a salary dump)
Angels need to pass Rue With the Angels luck he’ll be on the DL
Sign Ryu to a 3 year $45 million guaranteed with innings pitch incentives that can take it to $60 million with a $15 vesting option year if he pitches 180 innings in 2022 or 450 innings over the 3 years.
Go to a 6 man rotation. Ryu, Ohtani, Heaney, Teheran, Canning, Bundy. Gives Ryu, Ohtani, and Heaney rest that hopefully will keep them healthy.
Sign Castro to a 2 year $16 million deal.
Lets go play.
Rue Isn’t the answer that’s A huge risk Wheeler should’ve been the target first an for most secure wheeler first and also try to sign cole now we’re going to have to trade close to major league prospects for a bona fide starting pitcher if the angels want to compete 2020 we need an ace starting pitcher On top of this rotation
Wheeler said he preferred the east coast, main reason he went with Philly.
Do you really think it would’ve been worth the Angels making an offer $5-10m more than Philly?
Cole said he wanted Yanks, Madbum said he wanted AZ and preferred the NL.
The Angels would’ve had to over pay for any of those three.
“Do you really think it would’ve been worth the Angels making an offer $5-10m more than Philly.”
Comes to a whopping additional $1-$2 million per year, AKA The Money We Saved In The Cozart Deal W/ $2.5 Million Left Over.
So yeah of course it would have.
It may not have mattered, it was reported after he signed, it came down to being close to wife’s family on the east coast. 5/119 seemed high at the time (before Cole/Strasburg signed of course)
Geno, unless Rue McClanahan from The Golden Girls is available, his name is Ryu, friend.
Ryu to the Atlanta Braves, yes please.
Sign Ryu Angels before you regret, such as inot signing Verlander….Ryu in 2019 was 3-1 against the WS champs Nationals, including a win in the NLDS….do you guys remember….he is worth at least 25 AAV.
Wasn’t he eligible for $17.8m QO from Dodgers and they declined to offer it?
I mean it’s possible they misjudged his value but $25m AAV seems a bit steep given the injury history or lack of consistent durability.
My guess is Ryu gets $20-22m AAV 3yrs guaranteed 4th option.
They could sign Alex Wood to increase their depth, he’s still just 28 yrs old, and go get a catcher. Although Ryu is good, he’s very injury prone.
The angels already have their ace in Ohtani adn he will pitch every 5 games (already finished rehab) and will be ready by spring. He will hit most days, including when he pitches thanks to Maddon!
They do not need ryu or Keuchel, Keuchel at 3 years and 39mil is a good contract for the angels and he is durable.
Canning is a future ace and proved it last year; they shut him down, so he would be well rested by spring;
Heaney has very good stuff when healthy, so he has to perform or be traded, his time is now.
Teheran and Bundy are very good mid level starters and we have very good young prospects coming up in case of injury, to the depth is much better.
The Angels offense has been ranked very high for years, so with these signings they are ready to make another run for the world series
Remember that the Angels LOST 87 games in 2001 and won 99 games in 2002 and the world series against a very strong Giants team