1:30pm: ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets that while the Rockies and Cardinals have indeed exchanged some names, their talks on Arenado “haven’t gone anywhere” and the exchange of names “hasn’t been productive.”
11:29am: The Rockies and Cardinals “have begun exchanging names” of players of interest as they attempt to structure a potential deal that would send third baseman Nolan Arenado to St. Louis, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reports. The Colorado organization is said to want both MLB and minor-league players to move their franchise cornerstone.
It’s a bit difficult to know what to make of this latest update. On the one had, it’s presented as a step forward. Morosi reported over the weekend that the sides had struck up “preliminary trade negotiations.” He now states that the chatter has “advanced beyond a preliminary stage.”
On the other, it seems hard to imagine that the sides had really been engaged in dialogue of much substance if no names of players other than Arenado even came up. As Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch recently explained, the Cards have had “longstanding interest” in Arenado but have “found the Rockies’ asking price prohibitive.” So, it would appear the sides are only now returning to a level of discussion at which they’ve previously engaged without seeing eye to eye.
The real question here remains how motivated the Rockies are about taking advantage of the opportunity to move Arenado’s contract and get something in return. If so, then perhaps it is indeed notable that they are back to swapping possible names with the Cards. It’s obviously not the Rockies’ preference to move their biggest star, but there’s huge risk in holding pat given the roster’s 2019 backslide and a slate of contractual commitments that is straining the payroll that the organization has established.
Morosi does go on to name a few names, though again it is not clear how the information is best interpreted. The Rox have both interest and some misgivings in Dakota Hudson, says Morosi, who echoes Goold’s characterization of the Cards being utterly unwilling to discuss Jack Flaherty. In addition to contemplating Hudson, who certainly has his warts but also has thrown over 200 MLB innings of 3.25 ERA ball and won’t turn 26 until September, the Rox are said to be eyeing up the Cards’ top prospects as well.
This is where the skepticism really enters the picture, because that’s quite a haul of talent. Arenado is obviously well worth it from an on-field perspective, but his contract — which, as already written to death, gives him huge downside protection ($234MM guaranteed) with the upside of opting out after 2021 — is less than a straightforward asset to price. It would be a bit odd to see the Cardinals part with that kind of surplus value for the right to take over such a deal, particularly since the team wasn’t notably connected to free agent Anthony Rendon.
Morosi’s report takes a curious turn when he gets to Cardinals infielder Matt Carpenter. While the highly compensated veteran is said to be under consideration in talks, Morosi writes that “the Rockies don’t appear to be mandating his inclusion.” That’s a befuddling way to characterize a 34-year-old player who just wrapped up a subpar season and is owed a hefty $39MM over the next two years (including a buyout on an option). Clearly, the Rox would rather not have that contract; Carpenter would be included to help offset the Arenado obligations.
Once more, it’s tough to know what to make of that curious bit. There’s no chance the Rockies are clamoring for Carpenter, but it’s equally true that the club wouldn’t want the deal to seem publicly like a salary dump. So, perhaps this strained characterization constitutes evidence that the Colorado organization is preparing to sell an all-but-assuredly unpopular trade to a skeptical fan base. Or maybe that’s just reading into things.
Two things seem safe to say at this point: First, that there are reasonably serious discussions involving Arenado, with the Cardinals at least one of the teams engaged with the Rockies. (The Rangers and perhaps others are also seemingly still at least kicking around the periphery.) And second, that there remain a number of significant obstacles that must still be cleared to move an Arenado trade scenario from the realm of hypothetical plausibility to one approaching actualization.
This is very interesting.
As Cubs fan. I find it frightening , everyone in the central seems to be getting better and the Cubs stand Pat , we are doomed for mediocrity at best
Good Natured Sailor
Pirates fan here. Just wanna say we have your back. Whenever you are feeling bad take a peek down in the standings and smile.
(Hopefully Cherington can turn us around in a season or two though)
Royals fan here and I also feel your pain.
I got you all beat! Mariners fan here
Ben Cherington is a disciple of Boston baseball’s lord and savior, Theo Epstein. It’s true he made some less than great moves, but he also brought in people like Gomes, Napoli, and Victorino, and they took home the trophy in 2013. He also unloaded Beckett and Crawford at the cost of Gonzalez, which worked out well.
At least your not beating on a trashcan..
I’m a Padres fan. If you want to talk about frustration, try rooting for a club that finishes 10-15 games under .500 every year. The pads are never in 100 losses territory, it’s just this constant purgatory of endless mediocrity. The Pirates, Cubs, Royals and Mariners will all eventually contend again. The Padres? Who knows?
Hopefully some of their young pitching will bear fruit soon.
Rangers fan here… oh wait… nevermind.
Hey. Whenever you feel bad, just think you could be a cheater in Boston or Houston. You may not win but at least you lose honestly. 🙂
In 2017 the Astros had a 53-28 record on the ROAD. That was tied for the BEST ROAD RECORD in the MLB. Despite their transgressions at home Houston was among the best, ESPECIALLY after they got JV at the end of August.
What I never understood was, if the Astros were that good, and they knew it… then why did they cheat. Was it brought up by one player that wanted to have a better season, because that would be my only explanation. That team did not need to cheat, but why?
Houston Asterisks, bro. Own it.
That just makes the cheating more pathetic and baffling.
i hate my father
Yet, the team felt they needed to cheat to win the World Series. I get it though, Dodgers would of won the World Series if they did not cheat.
I rather loss playing the right way and cheating to win, but that is just me.
That just makes the cheating more pathetic and baffling. It certainly doesn’t absolve it.
I feel kind of bad for their fans.
I feel bad for anybody that has to live down there.
“I feel kind of bad for their fans.”
Well, the ones with integrity and remorse. The ones defending the cheating and cheering the Awards and Championship in spite of the cheating don’t deserve sympathy. That’s the last thing they deserve.
IMHO, a true fan wants their team to win the WS by defeating their rivals without cheating. If you can’t do that, then you’re not really the best. So I agree with you.
I remember just feeling sick when A.J. Preller pulled some shady stuff a few years ago in the Drew Pomeranz/ Anderson Espinosa trade.
Because of the “win at any cost” mentality.
That… and the fact that a world champion can raise ticket prices without too much squawking from the fan base.
It’s no different than Bonds or Clemens. Both were probably HOFers but they did it anyway. Why?
Don’t worry Donaldson gone, let bidding begin for Bryant
COL 129 OPS+
COL 131 OPS+
STL 138 OPS+
Have to think STL isn’t worried about the whole Coors thing, for good reason I think Arenado still has a lot to add to his hitting style. I remember that a stat of him coming up was that as he was reaching AA he had more XBH in the minors than he had swinging strikes. I think his power plays anywhere.
Right, This is the Cardinals Holliday and Goldschmidt is their Pujols in this mix.
Look at Arenado’s stats at Busch. Dude rakes in STL.
Arenado and Goldie on the corners sounds just fine to this fan…
this is what i tell everyone to do!
Nolan Arenaldo in a Cardinals uniform!! How fantastic would that be?? Get an impact hitter and complete a total Gold Glove infield. Do it!! Who are players in the Minor Leagues—-they’re Prospects. Players who right now can’t cut it on the mlb circuit right now. Especially if they’re not in the top 10 minor leaguers trying to make their name. Arenaldo is still making his name too!! A multi time All-Star, MVP, Gold Glove, yes—already a star. Carlos Martinez—in a change of scenery— might turn back into the Carlos Martinez he was when he first came up. The Cardinals have babied Martinez in resent years. A trade piece to Colorado?? Munoz—-solid utility man and can hit!! O’Neal, Gorman Calhoun and oh yes—-Carpenter or Fowler and the new Lefty from Tampa Bay. Are any of those players as good as Arenaldo on both sides of the diamond?? Will the bunch mentioned above be solid and contribute as much as Arenaldo as a group?? I doubt it. That’s some good prospects. Plus, Carpenter or Fowler will hit better in Coor’s field. The table is set for the Cardinals Owners to do something right and pick up a difference maker impact player. Instead of Mozeliak’s Low Hanging Fruit.
Uncle Mike — as a LONGTIME Cards fan (since 1951) I agree with your wishes that we could add Arenado to our infield but I can also sure understand why our F.O. would never be willing to unload all our young talent for what would probably be only two years of control of Arenado. He has to be willing to redo his contract to lose that opt out clause. If he isn’t willing to I can’t imagine any team would be willing to give up a load of good young prospects for only 2 years of Arenado services. That opt out clause hurts him if he wants to play for the Cards or any other contender.
“MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reports”
“Jon Morosi reports”
Every time he reports something, it isn’t three hours later that a more credible source says that talks have gone nowhere.
Anytime I see “Jon Morosi” I know it’s just something thrown on the wall to see if it will stick.
Just like Rosenthall…
I’m betting it happens. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
No it’s not interesting. It’s a boring story that Mozeliak spins every year to get the fans excited. They signed their big free agent. Some guy from Korea who belongs in Memphis.
Cardinals Owners will NEVER allow a trade for Arenaldo!! They have never traded for a player with that high of a salary before and never will !!
Annual winter Smoke Screen just to sell more season tickets.
Not for a Rockies fan
This ones gotta be tough to read for you
Everything this offseason has been tough to read. It’s mostly been other team’s fans salivating at the idea of acquiring Nado with a few meaningless minor league deals sprinkled in.
Oh, and we’re setting up to go to arbitration with our second best player over a difference of less than $1M, likely decreasing the chances of a multi year extension with him. So this time next year, we get to do it all over again with Story.
Exchanging names is the definition of trade talks.
But this could get interesting.
So we’ll have the Colorado Cardinals and the St. Louis Rockies? How does that help in Arenado talks….LOL!
Vandals Took The Handles
This is why I’ve enjoyed Jeff Todd’s writing for over 5 years now……
If this site has to report these loony rumors, fine. Most columns are written with formulated arguments to entice readers to think a trade is imminent. They quote player salaries and statistics, teams lack of salary commitments in the out years, and other irrelevant points that con the audience into arguing over the players to be exchanged. I look in the comments and read a thousand of the same tired trade proposals with minor differences over the off-season (look at the proposals for Lindor and Betts this year along with where Donaldson signs) – only to find that either 1) a trade for the main player and the teams interested never happens; or 2) the player is traded, but it’s either to another team or if the same team, most of the players exchanged were never discussed (remember the Bauer trade proposals the last trade deadline).
In so many words, Jeff is saying that this doesn’t make sense, but OK, he’ll play along (he brings up a point I’ve made here numerous times as to why why the Cards would package up numerous established players in trade, when they could have gone after Rendon and only had to give up a draft choice).
I’ve watched Jon Morosi and a few other known rumor mongers that monetize hits on their social media outlets into nice paydays, as they lead readers not familiar with their records astray. I keep thinking of the numerous articles from Morosi and others last year as to how the Nationals were coming back in to the Harper talks, only to hear Scott Boras at the signing announcement in Philly state that the Nationals never once called Boras to discuss Harper after they’ll announced shortly after the 2018 season ended that they wished Haper and his wife well, but they were moving on.
Maybe the Cardinals like Arenado more then Rendon. But my goodness, THAT much more?
I”ll bet they’re thinking they can dump Carpenter in the process. That’s probably what’s holding it up.
You people who claim to be Cards fans must not really follow the Cards. They aren’t trading Carpenter. He is 1/3 of the Holy Trinity of the team. Wainwright and Molina will veto that trade.
Isn’t that what the Rockies are trying to do though? Dump salary? You’re not going to get any team to take on NAs contract AND give up 4-5 players, that’s not how it works. Carp makes perfect sense regardless of the s that’s been slung about him – he immediately covers 3B more than adequately, will get on base at a greater % than 3/4 of the current Rockies team, AND will save the Rockies over 30MM in salary.
And it’s not that STL doesn’t like Carp, it’s more of trading for Arenado would be establishing the future (if the opt out could be removed).
I agree w the sentiment. And I’ve stated that I’d be more than happy w Carp at 3B, or sharing time there, for the next two years. Im nowhere near as down on him as some folks are. And if we dont trade for Arenado, so be it. Arenado would put us over the top for sure, but I’m still excited about the current roster, with or without Arenado and/or Ozuna (who really made a poor decision not to take the very generous QO).
However, the reality is if we trade for Arenado, where does Carp play?? And why would you pay him that salary if he’s not playing everyday?
Is this anything different then what Morosi has been saying for weeks?
As a Rockies fan, this sucks! Arenado and his D are worth the price of admission.
His wife agrees.
Dabofus going to the Padres game
Thanks for chiming in Mrs. Arrenado
Charlie Blackmons music is too and I’m a Cubs fan. My favorite thing about coord field is when the Cubs are there they raise the price of beer and that’s only for the Cubs. Oh coors the food is great too.
That because every cubs fan at the game is guaranteed to put down at least 5 of them. Those packs treat a seat at the game like a St. Patrick’s day party when the cubs are in town.
Perfect organization for Rockies to trade with, St. Louis has been one of the best at developing players consistently for a while now. Colorado could get creative with a number of different packages in negotiations, I see a deal coming together this offseason. Cardinals are baseball players dreams
Not Kris Bryant’s dreams lol he said it’s his least favorite place to visit because to him St. Louis is boring
That’s cause Jesus Bryant can’t hit in St. Louis
I have been to St. Louis. It is a s-hole.
As someone from St. Louis, I can agree
OUCH my Go Nats
I’m from St Louis, lived in the close-in ‘burbs (Clayton) and the city (Soulard), and it’s just like anywhere else. There are nice parts and not so nice parts.
Worse than Cleveland?
I am from here too. There are far worse places than this.
As someone who lives in St. Louis City, I disagree.
No, its all bad.
STL is like any other city? Really? How far to the beach? How far to the ski slopes? Where do the NBA and NFL teams play?
OUCH my Go Nats
@Maurice Lock ??? So all cities and towns not close to mountains or coasts are s-holes?
STL rules, great post industrial rust belt city with incredible architecture. Sure it’s flawed, but not as much as it’s portrayed
It’s a dump dude, KC has a better version of everything STL has
except a baseball team
The only thing K.C. has going for it are the Chiefs and that bbq spot located in an old gas station. If MO was a business they would write K.C. off as a loss,
Then stay away from it! We don’t want you in here and your city is crap too!
@tazman4878 has provided the most St. Louis response imaginable.
(I am also originally from St. Louis.)
No way it could be worse than Houston brother.
Yet somehow almost every player that plays there never wants to leave. Strange .
Why is Morosi just rehashing Goold’s and other reporters’ coverage? They’ve obviously been exchanging names for some time.
Can Daniel Murphy play 3rd because Matt Carpenter has a limited arm.
Ryan McMahon played a lot of 3B and moved to 1B (and then 2B) because he was blocked at the MLB level.
Probably not, but they have Ryan McMahon. There’s still decent free agents that can platoon at third as well
Rockies are in need of pitching!! Get it done ✅
Not sure why cards didnt just sign rendon and keep there great farm. Im telling you right now rockies are gonna want carlson or gorman plus hudson and a few mid level throw ins. Gonna hurt.
Dabofus going to the Padres game
Rockies don’t have much bargaining power with Arrenados opt out clause 2 years away.
Plus, Cardinals can always take on salary like Davis or Shaw, even Desmond and make him super utility, to bring Arrenados cost down.
Still worth 12 war over next two seasons….if you saw what it cost to get machado for half a season its gonna cost significantly more to acquire arenado. Rockies also dont need to trade arenado there salary is the same as it was last year so they have all the leverage.
Arenados salary jumps from 26MM in 2019 to 35MM in 2020.
Not sure if this is here nor there for Colorado, just sayin.
You really think he’s going to opt out of a deal paying him 35 mil per? LOL that’s more than both Harper and Machado AAV.
He’s definitely staying all 7 years and it’s gonna COST to get him
Also when arenado turns from a .325 37 homerun guy to a .265 25 homerun guy away from coors cant see cardinals fans being happy with giving up the farm and paying him 240 million.
he hit 20 hr away from Coors and 21 at coors last year. btw, he played about 20 more games at home. people need to stop with the hr power not being there away from coors
There’s more to the stats than just power:
Home – .351/.412/..645 .
Away – .277/.346/..521
Home – .347/.424/.681
Away – .248/.325/.447
Noticing a pattern yet?
Yes, the pattern of people taking H/R splits much too seriously.
OMG, he hits better in the best hitting ballpark around? I AM SHOCKED! It’s not like every other player in baseball wouldn’t hit better in Coors than in Dodger Stadium, Petco, and whatever they are calling that place in SF this week.
There is also the fact that Rockies hitters are the only ones that do not get to prop up their road stats with their Coors Field hitting. Away stats is not a constant variable for every player around the league. It is just as misleading as looking at home stats because the numbers can vary greatly depending on the team. Every team does not play the same away games. For example, the other 4 NL West teams have over 10% of their away stats made up of Coors Field inflated numbers. The rest of the NL gets around 4-5% of their away numbers made up of Coors Field. Evn a couple of AL teams get a boost every year. The Rockies get 0%.
So yes, their home stats can be misleading, but so can away stats. And so does every other team.
Agree… way too much emphasis on H/R splits by people grasping at straws to find flaws in his game. He’s better at Coors but has still been legit on the road. Numbers would play even as is and without taking into consideration his ++ defense. It’s quite common that hitters play better at home than on the road even without Coors as his home field, but given the parks where the bulk of his away games were played, it makes it even that much less significant to base ones judgement on the “horrible” splits.
Larry Walker and Matt Holliday didn’t experience much of a drop off at all when they made the same transition.
“A 25 homerun guy away from Coors”
Do people not know how to use basic math. He has hit at least 15 road HR’s every year since 2015, and he hit 20 away from Coors last year. With the juiced balls MLB now uses he is easily a 35-40 HR guy on any team.
People need to stop be so concerned about Rockies players being able to hit outside of Coors Field when they join a new team. In recent years many Ex Rockies players have performed very well away from Coors such as Matt Holliday, DJ LeMahieu, Dexter Fowler, Corey Dickerson, Mike Tauchman, and Tom Murphy.
You must’ve forgot about wrigley citizen bank and brewers stadium. His numbers will be fine
I don’t think Gorman or Liboratore would be hurtful (basically trading the 3rd baseman of the future, Arozorena, Martinez and 30 draft slots for the 3rd baseman of the present and hopefully future). Unless the Rox take back Carp or Fowler, or otherwise eat salary, those two should really be enough, IMO. I’m sure the Rockies want an ML player or two coming back, though. I don’t think I’d pull the trigger if Hudson is in the deal.
They just traded Arozarena and Martinez
That’s what I’m saying. If you told me at the beginning of the offseason Arenado would cost just Gorman, Martinez, Arozarena and some draft slots, I’d do that in a second. Losing Liberatore in an Arenado trade isn’t painful.
He means if the flip Liberatore, which was basically Martinez and Arozarena
Interesting that they included Liberatore (whom they acquired for Martinez/Arozarena) while the package that was traded away. I wonder if Sandy Alcantara is on the table in their scenario, as well.
@RunDmc is that English? I don’t know what the heck you’re saying
So you think the Rockies want to shed Arenados contract by taking back a bad player with a 20 mil a yr contract lol…
the only reason I see why they didn’t go after Rendon is that either Fowler or Carpenter is going to be in this deal…if they had signed Rendon they would still have Carps/Fowlers contract on the books also…so I am sure the Rockies want Prospects but they will also have to take on Carps/Fowlers contract
Why do people think you get to sign a FA just because you want to? This is not MLB The Show, these are real people with real decision making power. Maybe Anthony Rendon and his family didn’t want to live in St. Louis. Southern California does have a better climate from what I have heard. But regardless, you don’t just get t snap your fingers and say I’ll sign that guy instead of trading for someo0ne else.
And do you have evidence that Rendon didn’t want to sign with the Cardinals?
Hudson, Carpenter, Zack Thompson, and Helsley for Nolan…lets get this done.
They aren’t taking the Carpenter mistake off your hands…
If you want the Rockies to take Carp in the deal then I would guess it would take Hudson, Carp, Liberatore, and Gorman for Arenado. the Cardinals may have to add another lesser piece too
lol you better stop dreaming…Arenados contract is market value…the cardinals aren’t gettting a deal with this trade…the Rockies are only trading him because they can’t afford the contract
Cant afford his Contract that they just gave him last year lol… but you think they will take on a far worse players contract and a prospect to save what 10-15 million when Arenado will still fill seats and carp or dex is just a waste of money L. O. L. wow
I’m shocked the Cardinals want to take on that contract. Maybe they can make him promise to opt out in two years?
That’s a huge contract! They might have to throw in Bob Gibson & Tim McCarver.
I’m willing to lose McCarver
Cards can negotiate with Arenado to remove the opt out. That’s a typical way to deal with the situation.
He’s for sure opting out in 2 years. Like 99 percent. He’d have to come into a serious injury to not opt out. That’s how it always goes w elite players
@Les—with all due respect he will need a Strasburg like World Series MVP run to consider opting out. He’s already at $35M the next five season and then $32/27 going to age 35. How much more do you really think he can get vs the guarantee? I guess if he goes to St. Louis and puts up 40+ in the two years, it’s feasible. I’m just saying that Strasburg needed to be one of the absolute best and have that incredible run at the right time.
Dabofus going to the Padres game
Nolan Arrenado (if he doesnt wave his opt out)
1 of Wade Davis or Bryan Shaw or both (help clear rockies salary but brings arrenado value down a little)
1 of Goreman or Liberatore
1 of Ivan Herrera or Julio Rodriguez
Replace Edman with Hudson/O’Neill/Bader and I like it
Dabofus going to the Padres game
Tyler O’Neil it is. Dont see Cards moving Hudson or Bader but would certainly move O’Neil and could try Edman in the OF or go with Carlson.
Bader is pretty much a bust. Cards would rather move him than O”Neill, by a large margin.
Cards payroll would be well over the luxury tax threshold with that trade.
stan lee the manly
A) that’s too much and the Cardinals won’t be acquiring Arenado if this is what it takes
B) I have a hard time believing that Edman is going anywhere because of his positional flexibility, the Cardinals roster NEEDS that to thrive. Munoz would be more likely if Rockies want a utility guy.
Gorman, Liberatore, Knizer, Hudson, Wong and O’Neil for Arenado, Wolters and McGee. Rox can use Rodgers at 3B and Wong at 2B before Gorman is ready, while adding a franchise catcher, solid sinkerballer, potential #2 SP and a solid platoon mate for Hillard.
First deal that seems close enough to what rockies will actually get.
wong had a great year and is extremely valuable. no way st louis parts with that much and takes on all that money plus McGee’s money while still having an opt out in arenados deal. if that is asking price st louis is insane to consider it.
stan lee the manly
Ya this is an absurd offer. Cardinals walk away if it even comes close to this.
St Louis not that smart
St. Louis hangs up right away
they sure do…I don’t know why Rockies fans think they are getting that much with a market level contract
Because he is a top 5 player in the game and because the Rockies hold al the cards here (no pun intended). Sure the Cards can sign Donaldson, but if it was that easy wouldn’t they have done it already? You can’t just go find someone like Nolan because there is no one like Nolan. At least not one readily available.
Same contract as Rendon, but with an added opt-out so that he can walk away if he’s actually worth it. I personally feel Nolan is better than Rendon, but Rendon was “readily available” at roughly the same cost in just dollars, and the Cardinals walked away. To think they would pay a significant amount more in prospects/players is lunacy. Nolan is better, but not by enough to justify that return.
I won’t argue whether or not that return would be reasonable, but if the Cardinals wanted a new 3B that badly, they would have entered the Rendon bidding, and they did not (that we know of)
DFAed in Gaffa
I like the idea of McGee going to the Cards. He already wears the right number.
Well Arenado is a year younger than Rendon. His contract ends at age 36, not 37 like Rendon…..
I wonder if Arenado is dealt, does this indicate some type of rebuild and COL is interested shopping other names like Story/Blackmon. ATL would be interested in both and having a healthy amount of arms to get what they need back. Would love to see either in ATL.
If Nolan is traded then I assume Blackmon is also gone. Story would be difficult to trade given the length of team control, his current cost, and the need for the Rockies to have something to offer their fans.
Giving up Nolan and Blackmon (if both come with nice deals) plus the $40+ million coming over the books next year would give the Rockies some hope for a quick rebuild.
Story is only controlled through 2021 and is headed towards making $11 million this year.
You are right. My bad.
nobody will trade for Blackmon, bad defense and bad offense away from Colorado.
Really don’t know how much clearer it can be that Jeff Bridich has zero business functioning as the GM of the Rockies.
Nats let Harper go and won a WS. If they can get Hudson, Carpenter, and Gorman, plus a lower level prospect (still n Cards top 25), it may be worth it.
Very big difference. Harper’s impact on a team is more about his name than overall production. Arenado is just the opposite. His production has a much larger impact than his name ever will.
stan lee the manly
This doesn’t really make any sense. Harper had a massive MVP year not that long before his big contract. If teams don’t expect that same level of impact, he’s not getting paid like a star no matter what his name is.
John Middleton signed Harper for his name value. At $25 million AAV Middleton can pimp Harper to the Phillies fan base and make money off Harper.
A comment about Phillies owner and no reference to his jet? Wow, the Xanax must be kicking in for you.
…better commenting through chemistry. Wow.
Now if only Themed would take his pills…
Why do teams bother with long term contracts and then blow it up after one bad year? The Reds kept Votto. Braves kept Freeman. Rockies should treat this the same way
Couldn’t get rid of Votto or else they would.
I actually believe Votto blocked 2 different trades that the Reds had in place.
Let get this deal done! Goldy, Nolan, and DeJong in the middle of the lineup is solid.
Let get this deal done! Goldy, Nolan, and DeJong in the middle of the lineup is solid.
Morosi doesn’t know squat
Morosi has the same average of being right as did his grandfather, John Blutarsky. Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.
Can we just all agree that Morosi was simply drunk on deadline?
His OPS is about 200 points higher at Coors than away. In Denver, he’s elite; elsewhere, he’s just a bit above average. The glove will transfer over, so he’ll still be All-Star worthy, just not a superstar.
Some of us were here in 2008 watching Holliday put up with this silliness
This comment is said every year. So annoying that people don’t understand that market size is strictly based on population. Drawing 3.5Million fans every year is a testament to a committed fan base and has nothing to do with the population of the STL area.
If this move actually happens I wonder how the Cardinals can still be viewed by MLB as a
“small market team”. Adding Goldschmidt last year and potentially Arenado now to the salaries they’re already on the hook for demonstrates the capability and willingness to stretch their payroll beyond those of other clubs getting extra draft picks. Don’t get me wrong. I commend them for doing so. I just don’t think they should be classified the same way.
It has been said repeatedly, market size is determined by the media market. Not StL’s fault their fans show up. They are exactly a medium market
Right, This is the Cardinals Holliday and Goldschmidt is their Pujols in this mix.
TV stations will want to carry
I think there should be some tweak. The Twins getting a bonus pick after a 100-win season seems a bit silly to me, even if they did mostly beat up on a weak AL Central.
stan lee the manly
But if you take away the Twins pick after 100 wins, then all you are doing is penalizing teams for succeeding, aka giving every single small to mid market team even MORE incentive to tank.
The picks aren’t there to reward bad seasons; they’re there to level the field in talent acquisition when medium and small market teams compete against large market teams, who have more financial resources and revenue streams to throw gobs at money at players like Garrit Cole.
The draft is primarily ordered to help bad teams get better by giving them the best draft picks. Bad teams don’t need more help in the draft process.
Compensation picks are there to even out the market advantage that some teams have, regardless of performance. The Cardinals do benefit. But let’s be honest…can they compete with the Chicago market? That is a major challenge. They draw a lot of fans but it is MUCH cheaper to go to a game in Stl than in Chicago.
Your payroll doesn’t change the size of your market. Green Bay is tiny in relation to other North American sports towns, but the Packers have a huge fan base. They are able to succeed despite their market limitations. It’s similar to the Cardinals in St. Louis.
It’s all about revenue sharing in the NFL.
Why give up prospect talent for Arenado when you can sign Donaldson? At least with Donaldson although you may overpay for year 3 and 4, you get an elite talent for the first two years.
4 at 110 for Donaldson’s injury history would have me concerned. Count age, and the fact he only batted .256 would have me concerned also. Plus, Nolan’s about 6 years younger as well.
So what that he hit only .259? He also hit 37 home runs drove in 94 runs, scored 96 runs, walked 100 times, had a .379 on base percentage, a .521 slugging percentage, a .900 OPS, a 127 OPS+ and 286 total bases. Also, batting average is the 2nd most overrated statistic in baseball, just behind WAR.
Don’t forget about surrendering a draft pick (for everyone but ATL) since he turned down the QO. Pretty significant since he’s going to be a sizable contract whenever he signs.
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Defense, defense, draft pick, age, and more defense. People assume he’s going to be elite for two years, but the risk is astronomically higher. He’s 34. Very few stars are able to maintain elite at 34, especially without the DH to help keep them on the field. With age goes athleticism, so the gap between Arenado’s and Donaldson’s defense should be even bigger than it already is in a year or two.
Adding Carpenter money to dump Arenado money. Wow, that saves the Rockies like 4 million per year and makes them a much worse team.
This makes no sense at all.
Rockies would save over 30MM with two years of Carp instead of Arenado. That is significantly more than 4MM in savings.
Arenado ’20-’21 salary: 70MM
Carpenter ’20-’21 salary: 37MM
who in there right mind would take Carpenter unless St Louis sent 20 million along with him?
I think that is a bit harsh – Carp had one bad year (albeit the most recent campaign) … Carp plugs right into a spot that’s available, brings championship experience, and not THAT BAD (not ideal but..) of a contract – 18.5MM/YR?? Come on. Add to that the other pieces Rockies would get and the Rockies would be able to reset in real time and not have to go through a traditional re-build. All because of the value of ONE player – who isn’t winning the Rockies a Championship on his own….
He has underwhelming numbers on the road.
They said the same thing about Matt Holiday back in the day.
In his prime, Holliday still had a .300+ average on the road. Arenado is around .260 on the road. I supposed there’s only one way to find out what Arenado will do completely away from Coors.
I’m hearing is going to be Dakota Hudson, Carpenter,either Harrison Bader or Tyler O’Niell and that 3B prospect Nolan Gordon or a catching prospect.
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Hudson, possibly Liberatore, what else?
id bet one piece is an outfielder, given the Carde still have a surpluss. Lane Thomas seems like a realistic inclusion. perhaps also an infielder on the 40 man roster, given that this will probably help with STL’s roster management.
If this trade goes down, the cubs are officially over.
If I’m Colorado I need players that can contribute immediately for my fan base to trade Arenado.
Dylan Carlson, Genesis Cabrera, Ryan Helsey and Dakota Hudson
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Carlson isn’t getting moved, this is an absolute pipe dream. He is the piece their entire future outfield revolves around, they can’t afford to lose him with no other real replacements outside the possibility that ONeill figures out how to stop striking out so much. These talks wouldn’t still be moving forward if Carlson was the ask.
Trading Arenado makes no sense unless he has told Rockies management behind the scenes he wants out or somehow the Rockies think a return is more valuable. If this does go through do the Rockies get a 3B back or are they now sold Welker is ready or move Story or Hampton there?
Probably McMahon as that was his original position.
Which would make *some* sense because then Rodgers gets plugged in at 2B.
But the right move is to eject Murphy, put McMahon at 1B, Rodgers at 2B, and keep Arenado.
that Flaherty would even be mentioned here is crazy. He’s among the top small hanfull of young pitchers in the game.
Arenado is not as bad away from Coors as some people make him out to be, even though the slash line isn’t close.
Arenado holds a lot of leverage here. First, the opt out. The Rockies aren’t worried about him opting out. They’re worried about him NOT opting out. They’re not going to be contenders the next two years. The Padres and DBacks have passed them and the Dodgers are out of sight. The LAST thing they want/need is a $35-37 million player during a soft or hard rebuild.
Next is Arenado’s NTC. The market for Arenado is already limited to teams with room under the tax and teams with pieces that the Rockies want/need. Arenado can narrow that even further by either privately or publicly letting the Rox know where he would or wouldn’t go. This is very similar to Stanton and the Marlins. This would reduce what the Rox could demand. Patience, Mo, patience.
Thanks for the meta-analysis Todd Father
Being a Rangers fan, I have a strong hatred for the Cards, because of well… David Freese. So, I hope they give up their entire farm in a deal for Arenado. I won’t make myself look stupid trying to configure a deal from the cards for Arenado, because I have terrible knowledge of the cards farm.
I feel your pain concerning Freese.
From St Louis perspective, makes no sense. Way to much to give. But, if they insist, certain the Denver folks will fleece them with a smile.
With it being known that Alex Reyes is coming off the IL at Spring Training and tha Jordon Hicks could rejoin the Cards in July, I don’t see any reason that Carlos Martinez couldn’t be part of the Arenaldo trade. C. Martinez would certainly be a talented seasoned Starting Pitcher to include rather than Hudson.
Alex Reyes is a complete unknown at this point, even coming of the IL.
This is about as “exciting” as “Dodgers express interest in Strasburg, Rendon, and Cole!”
Just a smoke screen the cards will trade for Blackman they like over the hill players
who in there right mind would take Carpenter unless St Louis sent 20 million along with him?
I don’t see a deal getting done unless the Rockies overwhelmingly win the trade. Carlson would just be the starting point. I think we will still see Arenado roaming Salt River Fields in a month or so…don’t see him going to STL.
Why sign guys to contracts like this if you don’t actually want to keep them? Maybe this isn’t an intelligent question but teams baffle me sometimes.
Gorman, since he would now be blocked by Arenado….Libertore who is a good pitching prospect and Gormans best friend (that might mean nothing but it’s something to consider) Rockies need catching so either Knizner or Herrera…remember the Cardinals also got a catching prospect in the Libetore trade…and outfielder not named Carlson…sorry people but the Cardinals aren’t dealing him…and they take on Carps contract…if i’m the Rockies you have to take that..that’s three top 100 hundred prospects considering which outfielder they want…and a nice catching prospect…everything the Rockies need
Agreed. All that and add in CMart (Sorry, they have to have a pitcher NOW) and that’s what I’m thinking gets it done. Rockies would ‘win the trade’ (they have to win the trade) but STL is dealing from surplus so we CAN give more than others – and do so knowing this enhances our roster / championship possibilities for years to come.
Plus, offloading Carp (overpaid by about 5MM/YR) and CMart (absolute steal/controllable) contracts makes the NA contract much more palatable.
I think cards81 thats a fair deal to be honest i think rockies would be happy with that. Just dont see cards dealing major league talent when they point of trading for arenado is to win now. Dont see hudson as a piece to be moved, rockies are no where close to competing. They get arenados replacement with gorman a future arm in liberatore and a catcher in knizer win win win for both teams.
yep…plus this doesn’t hurt the cardinals all that much..its stings but it is a win now move…makes sense for the cardinals since they just traded for Goldy and they want to win now with him…
The Rockies must get Carlson and Liberatore plus major league talent if they’re going to trade Arenado. He’s one of the elite players of the game and arguably the best player in franchise history. You can’t trade him unless you’re getting a huge haul
replace Gorman with Carlson…sorry Carlson is not going anywhere…Arendos contract is market value…you are not getting as much as Rockies fans think
As a Rockies fan, I have been saying this, too. You can’t get a MASSIVE return for a player who is on a market-rate contract.
I’m not a Rockies fan but giving up Arenado without getting a bat like Carlson in return would be unacceptable. His contract being market value only increases his trade value so I don’t know what you’re getting at. The Cardinals gave up a pretty strong package for Goldy and he was on an expiring deal and plays a less important position. Not to mention that Arenado is a superior all around player
Gorman is no slouch…that is the hitting prospect you are getting back
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Nobody is saying Gorman is a slouch but he is a couple years away from the big leagues while Carlson will be ready this year. I don’t understand how you think the Cardinals can get a top 10 player on a reasonable deal without giving up Carlson
lol that is not a reasonable deal…he has a market value contract,,.the Rockies are trading him because they can’t afford that “reasonable deal”. Gorman, Libertore, and if you choose Herrera as a catcher are all 19 and would rise up together and be Cornerstone players for the Rockies in 2-3 years…lol go ahead and Hang up..meanwhile the Cardinals will still have all their young talent for their future and the Rockies will still be in last place for decades to come
His contract being market value doesn’t increase his trade value. How do you think it does? You trade on contracts and talent. Arenado makes what he would as a free agent. You aren’t netting great talent if you can just sign a player like in free agency (like Rendon)
Matt Chapman would demand a significantly larger return than Nolan Arenado. Not due to talent and age (which of course matters too), but simply because of the contract differences
Reasonable deal? He’s one of the highest paid players in the game. He’s a top player, but he’s also paid like a top player
When has it ever been said that the Rockies can’t afford Arenado? That hasn’t been mentioned once. They’re marketing him now because the team just had an awful season and he expressed disappointment. Considering how Arenado is still arguably the best 3B in the league and other soon to be free agents will be making a lot more money than him, that contract will look very reasonable in a couple years. Once again I’m not a Rockies fan I’m just giving an outside perspective of this situation. Seeing as how these trade talks have gone nowhere it sounds like the Rockies tend to agree with me
I stated this too. I don’t understand why they are even entertaining this unless its a hail mary huge haul type of deal or Arenado is just tired of how the franchise is managed and wants out? Have no idea.
Any COL fans see discontent from Arenado with the franchise?
Exactly, unless Arenado gives the Rockies the ultimatum to trade him or he’ll opt out, there’s no reason to move him for anything less than a haul
its not that they cant afford him, its that he wont stick around for his opt out. He has probably said it to them.
The Rockies can’t afford his contract because they can’t become relevant until they can spend money elsewhere…sure they could “afford” Arenado but they wouldn’t even come close to the playoffs…that’s why they can’t “afford” it…the only way they are going to compete is get young talent they can build around…Arenado will opt out because he wants to win…Colorado can’t provide it so he will go elsewhere…the Rockies should seriously entertain a trade…I don’t know what the cardinal are offering but I think my trade proposal above is something the Rockies can build around but also not kill the cardinals…everyone wins…it is a risk on the Rockies part because they are prospects but that is the name of the game…plus Gorman, Liberatore, O’Neill/Bader have been and are top 100 prospects…plus a nice catching prospect…that should easily do it and the cardinals don’t have to give up Carlson
Why do so many people on here criticize players that have a high on base percentage, slugging percentage OPS, OPS+ and total bases total if he doesn’t have a high batting average as well? It’s absolute BS!
Rockies will want Dakota Hudson and Dylan Carlson if they also take Matt Carpenter and his contract. This is at a minimum…
If those are the only two players in addition to Carp then that works It will suck to lose both Hudson and Carlson but that’s fair (if Carp is included).
If that’s a starting point plus, then the deal doesn’t (or shouldn’t) get done (for good or bad). Oh well.
I like our playoff chances as we are right now anyways and we might be able to pick him up in two years if he decides to opt out – then Rockies get nothing for him and two 70 win seasons. That’s reality.
I say a minimum two years of Aranado is worth Dylan Carlson and Hudson
STGPD. — Only if we can include Carp or Fowler or both along with their bloated contracts in the outgoing part of that trade.
Seeing all of these trade proposals makes me happy with what Jon Daniels is doing with the Rangers farm. I remember 3 years ago people were calling the Rangers Farm System close to last place, if not last place, in the entire league. Now we have prospects, not sexy ones, but high potential ones that can impact a team in the future. Just think of all of the prospects we have acquired in the past year or two alone. Burke, Jung, Wendzel, Allard, Solak, Apostel, and Calhoun (missing some). But now, seeing trade proposals from the rangers including these prospects just makes me happy as a fan, that our organization is doing something right.
I think we will know soon, and I personally think the trade is happening.
If the Rockies agree to take on Carpenter’s contract, the prospect package from St. Louis will need to be much richer than if they merely traded Arenado for prospects. Colorado is trying to reduce payroll for 2020 & 2021 and taking on Carpenter’s $20M/yr for two years does not help them much in doing so. I’d be surprised if Carp is included as it will end up hurting both teams right out of the gate.
Saving 34MM over two years is not ‘much’l? The way the Rockies are are pinching pennies, I disagree with that assessment. This would be a huge savings for them on many levels.
I still don’t understand WHY they are pinching pennies though and even entertaining trading Arenado. They are only at $160MM (not my money but..) …is there something behind the scenes going on? Arenado miffed with mgmt?
NA is possibly at odds with the Rox F.O. but it’s more likely he would prefer playing with a team that has better post season potential — especially with him being part of it.
lol crappy reporting by Morosi immediately shot down by Passan. Is Morosi even trying?
Maybe he’s too distracted with his beloved World Baseball Classic.
Jeff Passan has been the most credible guy this offseason, if he says it, it’s probably true.
Not going to happen, because it’s too hard to equalize risk and reward between the sides. Could see something creative like a third team coming in, maybe to take on a contract in return for prospects, but right now, I don’t see how this lines up well without both teams worried about reputational and substantial financial risk.
Cards fans punching air right now
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Why? This has the exact amount of substance that the earlier report did. No ones going to know what’s really happening until the teams pull the triggers or publicly say they aren’t.
Acquiring Arenado would make the Cards relevant again like 5plus years ago.
When u look at the baseball world, the top teams with highest expectations, one is st. louis. Because of this and not appearing in a world series recently, i can see them being pressured and giving up that extra prospect.
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Two issues with the Cardinals, they are not going to commit another $32.5 million to payroll, it will put them over the luxury tax which is just not going to happen and I highly doubt they are even comfortable going into the $200 million range, so they are going to want the Rockies to take on some bad contracts like Fowlers, Carpenter and etc. or eat a good chunk of Arenado salary to make it work.
The 2nd issue, is Arenado opt out in 2 years, so not only do the Cardinals need the Rockies to eat a good chunk of Arenado contract or take on some bad contract but also want to value Arenado with the posibility losing him in 2 years which means less in return to the Rockies.
I just don’t see how this gets worked out, Rockies are just not going to cave to all of the Cardinals demands as they don’t need to trade Arenado this offseason.
Good analysis. I think that it works out as some payroll going to the rockies like Martinez or maybe part of Carpenters salary plus a major league ready player?
Arenado has a no-trade clause. Arenado grew up a Dodgers fan. You literally cannot mess this up LA.
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except that the Rockies would never trade him to the Dodgers issue.
If the Rockies are willing, they will not want a overpay which the Dodgers are not going to do. Dodgers will find another way.
Luxury tax hit is $32.5M
The Rockies absolutely can and should ask for Carlson, Hudson, and maybe more. Their fans can and should absolutely demand at least that much.
The Cardinals can and should tell them to pound sand. If they wanted to spend 200+ over the next seven years for an all-star third baseman, they would have bid on Rendon and kept all of their prospects. Arenado isn’t enough better to net the exact same dollars plus top prospects, especially since he can walk after two years if he’s actually worth the money.
Only way I see the Rockies getting the prospects they want is if they are eating a significant portion of the salary, and that seems to defeat the purpose. Lots of noise, plenty smoke, but there is no fire here.
That’s why the Rockies take on Carps contract and they get good prospects…you can’t expect a team to take on Arenados contract and get good prospects…doesn’t work that way Colorado
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Cards just picked up Austin Dean. Why would they want Arenado?
Would love to see Arenado in St. Louis. As a Cubs fan I’d love to see those road splits attached to that contact under the arch. Good player, road splits don’t justify the money though.
He’d likely hit to his neutralized slash, not his road numbers
The Rockies aren’t going to get the ace of the staff for Arenado. For a possible 2 yr rental.
In 20 min they’ll say the deal is close then its not
Hurdles to get Arenado
1. Arenado opt out
2. Arenado no trade clause
3. Size of Arenado contract
4. Franchise altering move by Rockies that sends a signal to the fanbase after being a playoff team recently
4A. Might make future extensions harder for young players they like (Story, Gray, Marquez, Freeland, Rogers, Dahl etc)
5. Cardinals limited budget room
6. Cards need to send bad money in an Arenado contract, Rockies don’t want that
7. Those bad money players (Carpenter and Fowler) also have no trade clauses
8. Positional flexibility for both teams don’t match that well, and the prospect the Cards would move doesn’t fit the Rockies best need
9. Projecting how Arenado would do from Colorado is difficult
There are so many hurdles here, it isn’t just one thing. To get this incredibly complicated deal done means a lot of things broke right in the process. And if I’m Colorado, I wait because I don’t want bad money coming back. If I’m the Cardinals, the deal only works I’d the Rox can help offset the salary jump, otherwise payroll and luxury tax issues come into play.
And even after all of that, ownership needs to agree
Jfactor you might want to check but I believe Carps no trade clause doesn’t kick in till the 2020 season begins
They said its kicked in
The Rockies are afraid Arenado WON’T opt out and are heading into a rebuild. They don’t want/need a $35-37 million player when they’re not contending. Between the contract, the opt out, and Arenado’s NTC and power to veto any trade, the Rockies’ ask will end up being a lot less than people think. There aren’t that many teams who have the $$$, prospects, and the desire to make such a deal to begin with. Arenado’s ability to veto a deal further limits the options. Fewer teams bidding lowers the get.
There’s very little risk Arenado opts out. He’s not going to get another $35-37 million AAV deal in two years. He knows that. The Rockies know that. The Cardinals know that. The Rockies will be lucky to get what the Cardinals gave up for Goldschmidt.
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Rockies have to decide if a) they want to hang onto Arenado and his contract; or b) they want to shed his contract and take on much less than they are aiming for/get the best return that is offered. They can’t have it both ways.
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There is a third option that is a combo of these two. Hang on to a significant portion of the contract so that you can get back an elite haul. The Rockies seem to be fairly resistant to this, but that is their best bet to achieve their two goals of reducing payroll and showing the fans their shiny new toys.
Coulda sworn you just said it was close…
ALERT……word is out…….St Louis is….BORING !
Translation of Passan’s comments:
Cardinals were bringing up names such as Hudson, Fowler, and Carpenter
Rockies were bringing up names such as Carlson, Gorman, and Flaherty
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I think the Cards are more than willing to move Gorman for 7 years of Arenado. It’s the + that’s the problem AFTER his name.
You have to be crazy to make a trade for all that talent. Gorman is the only one on that list that is touchable and that’s because he plays 3rd
I think Arenado is over-rated. great player, all star caliber, but not worth both the contract and prospects he will cost. cardinals should just resign ozuna and call it an off season. or maybe trade for starling marte. he’ll help the offense and shouldnt cost as much in either prospects or money.
Ozuna suxx too
South city — a better question is why did the team offer Carp a 40MM 2year extension when his play on both offense and defense has been mediocre at best for the past 4 years except for one hot 6 week stretch in 2018.
A better idea is to let Ozuna go and take on George Springer if it’s true that he wants out of Houston. If not, go for Nick Castallanos. He’s no real improvement over Ozuna on offense or defense but the Cards would get a draft pick they won’t get in signing Ozuna. I’d personally be amused to watch Ozuna end up like Lynn did losing his shirt after turning down a generous QO. I don’t think Lynn has ever since then made as much in a year as he turned down.
The problem with these negotiations is the same problem you say anytime a team is trying to unload a high-quality elite player with a large contract. Unless Colorado is highly motivated to be relieved of this large contract they are going to want a large hall for him. Colorado is going to want in return a package to wear fancy “I am going to miss him like crazy but I cannot believe we got all of that“ while the Cardinals will want to give up a package that will have their fans say “can’t believe we got him! And that’s all we had to give up?“ what needs to happen here is Colorado and St. Louis need to meet somewhere in the middle perhaps for example if you’re going to give up three prospects have one of those prospects be a MLB ready talent another prospect be a can’t miss one year away prospect and the third be a mid-level prospect.
For the money, I’d take Eugenio Suarez over Arrenado all day long…
2-1 odds they want Flaherty
1000-1 that the Cards would trade Flaherty I this deal.
Only a moron would honestly believe they’d trade Flaherty.
The Rockies are so strangely (poorly) run. They refuse to play their young guys in favor of declining aging veterans, they make very questionable FA signings, they make bad/over-market extensions (i.e. Blackmon) and they sign Arenado to a long term deal with a no-trade clause and then seemingly would like to trade him a year later. Personally, I think the team is petrified of his contract long-term and really does want to trade him though if they want a team to take on the whole contract and also give up elite talent, that ain’t happening.
Basically the Rox need to be prepared to deal Arenado and his contract for a couple of players/prospects (as you say, not elite). It’s about moving the contract. Only so many teams that can and will take on that contract. Market is small. Can’t expect a haul in return. By the same token, Rox won’t be taking Carpenter or Fowler types in return. They aren’t eating any part of Arenado’s contract any more than Boston would be eating Mookie’s.
This might be crazy be how Wong, Hudson, Knizer. If Nolan agrees to waiver the opt out in two years maybe throw in Gorman and the pitching prospect we just got from TB.
We could slide Carp to 2nd (his range isnt good where he plays. Edman could platoon as well as get time at SS and 3rd too.
A Deal for the Rockies, while unlikely.. the Rangers could have interest in Nolan and Blackmon.
Blackmon is from DFW, and Nolan had a long standing respect for Beltre. Texas has no income tax, and plays a large number of west coast games and is in doors. Texas has makings of likely the best SP group in the AL West. A lot of reasons to be trending up for Texas and for Nolan to agree to a deal.
Ideally, as a Rangers fan I would toss out Jung, Allard, JoeP and TX takes the entire Nolan contract..
If Rangers/Rockies could do a Blackmon/Nolan deal. Package would be Winn, Burke, JoeP, Apostel, Tarveras. And Odor.
Rangers get Nolan, Blackmon and 30M spread out over the length of the deal with Nolan.
Odor is a change of scenery player who will be a good addition to COL and would be a money offset/potential trade chip later.
Winn and Burke are both CO kids, JoeP is another strike out kid, Apostel is a 3B that’s going to aA most likely with a track record of making hard contact. Tarvas is a close to MLB OF.
Rockies like this deal because of the COL SPs and the talent they have, JoeP for his track record and The hitters because they fill needs in the soon to be future (next year or 2).