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MLBTR Poll: The Royals’ Timeline

By Jeff Todd | April 9, 2020 at 12:01pm CDT

We all know the tale of the Royals’ recent run of glory … the team reared a group of top prospects, mixed in some bold trades, ramped up its payroll a bit and came home with a crown in 2015. It still took a series of upsets and surprising events to get to the promised land, but there’s no disputing the validity of the title. Overcoming tall odds only makes the achievement more impressive.

Some manner of rebuilding was obviously going to be required at some point. There’s a strong case to be made that the Kansas City organization should’ve pivoted more forcefully rather than overseeing two consecutive middling seasons after the parade — if not in the 2016-17 offseason, then at the 2017 trade deadline. Still, it’s understandable that the club did not wish to squander any chance at competing with its existing core.

When it finally came time to bid adieu to Eric Hosmer and Lorenzo Cain (and eventually Mike Moustakas), the Royals gained some draft picks as compensation. The organization made clear its intentions with the ensuing 2018 draft, when it used its top five picks on collegiate pitchers. As GM Dayton Moore explained: “We wanted to make a concerted effort on getting some college pitching that we felt had high ceilings, and that could move quickly.”

In the time since, the Royals have steadfastly refused to cash in excellent veteran Whit Merrifield for prospects. There was even talk last year that the organization might pursue an opportunity to challenge for a postseason spot, though that quickly faded and the organization logged its second consecutive hundred-loss campaign.

The just-completed offseason wasn’t exactly a win-now effort. The team did add veteran players — going for another round with Alex Gordon while taking low-risk chances on Maikel Franco, Jesse Hahn, Trevor Rosenthal, and Greg Holland are hardly the — but more in the way that most rebuilding outfits do. But it also again bypassed chances to trade Merrifield, Jorge Soler, Danny Duffy, Ian Kennedy, perhaps Brad Keller … even backstop Salvador Perez (though he’s returning from a season lost to injury).

If the Royals think it’s worth holding onto players like those, it must be that they see a path to somewhat near-term contention. Clearly, the aim of the K.C. brass is to bounce back into contention sooner than later, rather than overseeing a half-decade-long retrenchment. There’s hope for a wave of talent. That 2018 draft class has thus far worked out as well as could’ve been hoped, with Brady Singer and Daniel Lynch rated as top-100 leaguewide prospects and fellow hurlers Jackson Kowar, Kris Bubic, and Jonathan Bowlan all considered future talents of note. And 2019 first-rounder Bobby Witt Jr. ranks as one of the game’s elite prospects; while he’s further away from the bigs, he could fly through the system. There are a few bats not far from the bigs … Nick Pratto, Khalil Lee, and Kyle Isbel among them.

The overall group of talent doesn’t exactly leap off the page. Farm-wide rankings mostly see the K.C. farm within range of average: Baseball Prospectus (12); MLB.com (17); Baseball America (18); Fangraphs (26). This isn’t a repeat of the legendary system of yore, but the Royals have a number of promising players. They’ll need that farm to yield a lot of big-league ability over the next few years if they’re to return to glory.

What’s your take on the team’s timeline back to contention? (What does “contention” mean? That’s up to you to define, but it surely includes some realistic chance of reaching the postseason.) (Poll link for app users.)

 

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  1. yankees500

    5 years ago

    I say 2022, and that’s being generous. If all their pitching prospects work out then they will have a formidable rotation. Yet Merrifield isn’t getting any younger (I believe he’s 30 or so?) and they don’t have very many top notch offensive weapons, not do they like to spend money

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    • Ruski

      5 years ago

      they should have traded Merrifield
      that one makes no sense

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      • dvail1979

        5 years ago

        I could see Merrifield coming out on fire ane KC behind their brilliant GM cashing him in at the deadline for a haul and speeding up their rebuild … Moore is a brilliant GM and helped the Royals win in 2015 so KC fans need to be patient and give him the benefit of the doubt here

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      2020 = Merrifield’s age 31 season.

      He’d win a ring if he was on the A’s.

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      • its_happening

        5 years ago

        Incorrect. Beane and company would rather play the role of underdog and have the media feel sorry for them as a small market than show any desire to win. Oakland does not want to win, they don’t care to win, do not know how to win or have the hunger to win. Merrifield would not win a ring in Oakland. Calm yourself.

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        • coupofthecentury

          5 years ago

          Preach brother

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        • martevious

          5 years ago

          Wha? Beans always pulls off deadline trades that help the team, they usually stay in contention, and they have had success

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        • tecjug

          5 years ago

          Oakland just came off consecutive 97-win seasons. If they do not want, care, know how, or have the hunger to win, then they sure have a funny way of showing it.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          Oakland doesn’t spend and really haven’t taken huge risks at the deadline, which makes sense seeing they weren’t going to catch Houston in 2018 or 2019 and were poised to lose the WC game. But more important they do not spend. They do not take risk and thus do not want the reward. If people look at Cleveland or Pittsburgh with disdain due to their lack of spending and/or motivation then the same thing applies to Oakland.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          Oakland makes little noise at the deadline martevious. Especially lately.

          Reply
  2. DirtyWater04

    5 years ago

    Probably gonna be an unpopular opinion here but I applaud them for trying to keep a respectable team on the field with eyes of trying to make it a shorter retooling of the roster. These 6 year long, burn-it-all-down rebuilds might be what’s “optimal” for a front office but are terrible for the game and drive away fans.

    Whit Merrifield and Jorge Soler might not get KC back to the World Series (it’s also important to point out, the odds are such that it’s doubtful anything they could fetch in a trade for those two guys would get them there, either), but they will get people to go to and/or watch Royals games. FO execs and wannabe keyboard exec types seem to have lost sight of the fact that if they want to stop and reverse baseball’s hemorrhaging of fans they need to give fans something to care about.

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    • bobtillman

      5 years ago

      Excellently put.

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      5 years ago

      Apt.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      “terrible for the game and drive away fans.”

      This is a flat-out lie. The game has only driven away fans once, in 1994, and they were back by 1998. It never has in the 2000s and it never will.

      Merrifield will never once play in a meaningful baseball game. That is the tragedy here. No one cares about the 5 loudmouth Royals fans online deciding not to go a game because Merrifield isn’t there, when there’s tens of thousands who arent online who still are showing up. They already traded away their core of champs and that didn’t drive any of those types away, so you told a lie there.

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      • its_happening

        5 years ago

        That drop in viewership and attendance must’ve missed your one good eye. In case you ever decide to attend a game in Oakland you’d find out real fast what no fans at a game look like.

        As for Merrifield, he would play 1 meaningful game in Oakland and watch the rest of the playoffs at home.

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      • DirtyWater04

        5 years ago

        That’s why last season total MLB attendance dropped below 70 million for the first time since 1997, right?

        Totally unrelated to why the number of fans in attendance in Baltimore, Miami, KC, Pittsburgh, and Detroit were outnumbered by empty seats on a nightly basis,last season, right?

        Kauffmann last year averaged 18 thousand fans per game against a capacity just under 38 thousand, and attendance has declined every year since 2016. You claim the fans haven’t gone away, and if by away you meant to the ballparks of tanking professional baseball teams then you would be correct.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          5 years ago

          Attendance is as meaningless as the concession take. Tv revenue is all that matters nowadays.

          Reply
        • Royalsfan12

          5 years ago

          Attendance doesn’t directly correlate with how good the team does. Just look at the Rays.

          Reply
        • DirtyWater04

          5 years ago

          Funny. When they’re begging taxpayers for handouts we’re told they need state of the art new stadiums or major stadium renovations to “remain competitive” and really it will be a deal because “all of the people it draws in will boost the local economy” and then when they sit empty amidst an endless years-long stretch of the team being intentionally noncompetitive “AtTeNdAnCe DoEsN’t MaTtEr AnYmOrE”.

          Hey brianiac, what do you think is gonna happen to the TV revenue as more and more people get fed up with this crap and walk away?

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        • DirtyWater04

          5 years ago

          Great point Royalsfan12, more teams should aspire to be like the one nobody gives a quarter of a flying F–k about due in substantial part to how little they’ve ever cared about giving a good experience that draws in loyal and lifelong fans.

          From a dumpy, uncomfortable stadium that’s impossible to get to, never retaining star players so the 7 people who still show up never get a chance to form a real deep connection to a favorite player, and pioneering the strategy of 6 pitching changes per game in an era where pace of play is the number one concern of viewers, Tampa Bay has been ahead of the curve for years when it comes to flipping double birds at anyone who might consider adopting the Rays as their team. That they occasionally make it to the wild card game or a 4 game ALDS here and there is the ultimate testament to how substantially this can pay off.

          I don’t see how anything could go wrong with more organizations taking that approach, it’s not like their business models depend on having fans or people care about them or anything like that.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          I mentioned viewership and you’ve shown you can’t read either which explains why you’re not funny. Be better Monty. Seriously….

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        • Billy Mumphreys Downfall

          5 years ago

          Rays fans are pathetic. They won 92 games in 2018 and went to the playoffs in 2019 and never showed up until October

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      • 1738hotlinebling

        5 years ago

        Merrifield doesn’t care , he likes living in KC for some reason , he has a ton of local sponsor ships , dude has his own beer out here ,

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        • 1738hotlinebling

          5 years ago

          They’res a reason they don’t trade these guys and it’s infuriating sometimes but if you lived in kc you’d see why they don’t get traded , Gordo, Kennedy, Duffy, Dozier, Perez, the list goes on forever, most of them all live around the area year round and have been here even since they were playing in Omaha which is just a two hour drive, working with charities ,local companies , schools all kind of things . And property in kc is cheap and they’re kind of local celebrities , seriously Danny Duffy got a dui at a Burger King up the street from my house and nobody even cared, if he was in LA , it would be on ESPN for 5 years

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        • DirtyWater04

          5 years ago

          If getting a DUI at a Burger King swept under the rug by the locals is the best reason for a guy not to leave Kansas City then I agree, for the sake of everyone that guy should stay in KC.

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    • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

      5 years ago

      Uh oh, b00mer alert!

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    • The Human Rain Delay

      5 years ago

      Well written Dirty water….its a very sensitive subject no doubt-

      My post actually is the exact opposite but I am def a keyboard exec 🙂

      I def agree with your post in theory but if I were a Royals fan (Im not) I think I would kinda rather just rip the band-aid off here and take my lumps….

      Although Id prolly have posters of Whit in my room if I were a Royals fan , love that dude as is (he lives on my fantasy teams), id still rather ship him and get me some pieces for the future –

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  3. Metsfan9

    5 years ago

    I’d say 2022-23 would be a decent estimate. Maybe even longer because they don’t have amazing depth on the farm

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  4. S_man_2014

    5 years ago

    If we use history as a reference, it took the Royals 30 years to be competitive after the George Brett and Robin Yount era. So ~2045 will be when Kansas City will have their next competitive team!

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  5. Strike Four

    5 years ago

    It has never ever made sense for them to keep Merrifield. Infuriatingly stupid GMing, as they could contend faster if they got a big package from Oakland for him.

    Whit should demand a trade, or else he’s admitting he doesn’t care about winning baseball games, because KC won’t win until he’s 40+.

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    • mizzourah87

      5 years ago

      Who says Oakland has offered a ‘big package’ for Whit? Or any other team for that matter. There have been a number of teams interested, but the only rumors that had actual players being named were the Cubs involving Schwarber, which makes 0 sense for KC.

      Can’t really say it’s stupid GM’ing unless we know if he’s gotten a viable offer.

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  6. lowtalker1

    5 years ago

    I’m going with their historical trends
    I’m saying 2045

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    • Royalsfan12

      5 years ago

      I hope you’re wrong.

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      • lowtalker1

        5 years ago

        Why? You got some championships.
        Let’s take a look at the al central

        Minnesota is right there
        White Sox are primed to pop Detroit has gotten some really interesting prices
        Kc has gotten a few
        Cleveland is still hanging around

        Though they al central is always known as the weakest division in baseball, there is no way they will have the pieces to complete in 2024 or sooner with what the others are going to bring to the table

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        • Royalsfan12

          5 years ago

          I could see the Royals getting a wild card. White Sox are for sure division winners, but Cleveland is heading towards a lengthy rebuild, Tigers will have a strong rotation, but will struggle offensively, and the Twins will lose a majority of their talent to free agency.

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        • hockeyjohn

          5 years ago

          Cleveland has no plans to go through a lengthy rebuild. That is not in their front office’s DNA.

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  7. cecildawg

    5 years ago

    SMAN? Robin Yount played for one team. One team only. Not KC.

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  8. Royalsfan12

    5 years ago

    I see 2024 as a possibility. Dayton Moore is being way too idealistic with his “4-year rebuild”. Not gonna happen. Whit Merrifield needs to get traded like right now! If we can get a decent package for him and Brady Singer and Daniel Lynch live up to expectations then we could have a pretty stellar team in the next few years.

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  9. 1738hotlinebling

    5 years ago

    2022 , Once we get our team in place and let these veterans go or retire we’ll be fine
    This is what I’d like to see by the end of the season / with
    Nick Heath CF
    Khalil Lee LF/Alex Gordon
    Salvador Perez C
    Hunter Dozier 1B
    Whit Merrifield 2B
    Brett Phillips DH
    Bubba Starling CF
    Raul Mondesi SS
    Maikel Franco 3B

    Bobby Whit and Nick Pratto are basically Hoz and moose 2.0 once they get here too

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    • Royalsfan12

      5 years ago

      Alex Gordon will be retired by then and Franco will be a free agent.

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    • mizzourah87

      5 years ago

      You want to DH our worst hitter and best defensive outfielder?

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      • 1738hotlinebling

        5 years ago

        Yes . He needs more at bats, he was a stud in the minors if he can find that again he’ll be fine , Lee and Heath Are younger and have more upside and I don’t want to DH starling , I say give him one more year period or let him go play with Tbones in KCK lol

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      • DirtyWater04

        5 years ago

        Forget that, the part of this I find most incredulous is a 50 year old Raul Mondesi coming out of retirement to play shortstop for the 2020 Royals.

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    • Coronavirusisfake

      5 years ago

      2 CF and no RF? Boy I’d like to see that defensive shift

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  10. Yep it is

    5 years ago

    I guess in Jeff Todd’s mind we got to back to back World Series was a series of “ upsets and surprises “. God Forbid we give any credit of a small market team sucking 7 years and building an excellent farm system and then putting together a “ lights out “ bullpen. Nobody has come close to that bullpen since. It was truly 6 deep in 2015. Why does when a team like the Royals win it is some fluke attitude by the writers. Do you think 90% of the clubs fans out there would take “ the surprises and upsets”. I mean really they have been more successful based on World Series wins and appearances this decade than anyone but the Red Sox and Astros. Do you think the Dodgers or Indians fans would trade with them? I would like to see
    the writers do what they do best and cater to the East Coast Teams than wrote a post like this and be insincere.

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  11. The Human Rain Delay

    5 years ago

    These are my favorite type of posts, the how would you re-build-
    For the Royals Im wiping the books clean and not giving care to the W-L record the next 2 years whatsoever

    First let me say I do realize the value guys like Whitt and Sal have in staying put but…………

    The biggest and most important first step in this process is is getting MAX value for Whitt

    My whitt proposal is- Whitt to Sd for Will Meyers +prospect Haul……. Now before you take off to start bashing in your own post hear me out-

    Sd- Is desperate for a 2b like Whitt, especially under that sweet contract, Sd is desperate to unload Meyers…. Sd has the prospect ammo for a huge pay-out, Sd has to feel the heat to step it up soon…. All these equal the best Opp for a huge pay-out in prospect capital

    Only thing left after that is really getting max value outta Duffey/Perez who have this and next year left each- They can try and sell Kennedy at the deadline this year but wont get much back cept a few mill in cash saved

    If they trade Whitt Duffey Perez before the 2021 season starts the ledger would read 0 before arbs (Or only Meyers money in my whitt scenario) This is going to take a while

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    • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

      5 years ago

      1. Guys like Whit and Perez have no value in staying put.
      2. How does trading Whit for a package with Wil Myers in it constitute getting “MAX value?”
      3. But Padres fans keep saying that they have “depth” at 2nd base so why would they trade for Whit?

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      • The Human Rain Delay

        5 years ago

        1) Disagree
        2) Prospect capital……… yes they would pay money for Will but the ledger would be 0 here pre arbs (no biggie whatsoever)….money buys the extra prospect capital
        3) They dont……Whitt would be a 4 yr wet dream if the deal was done tomorrow

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        • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

          5 years ago

          1. Not an opinion piece. Both will be free agents by the time the Royals are competitive again.
          2. Prospect cost to get Whit for Myers would be VERY prohibitive. Like, approaching Tatis/Gore territory.
          3. But the so-called depth at 2nd base was their excuse for trading Luis Urias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • The Human Rain Delay

          5 years ago

          1) “No value” is the wrong wording, Notice I do agree with you the best value is via trade-

          2) Exactly! (Not Tatis but one of the Big Arms and a little more)

          3) Whoes “their”…… And furthermore who cares once Whitt arrives!-

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        • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

          5 years ago

          1. You’re right. Negative value because they cost money and hurt the Royals’ draft position.
          2. Don’t speak so soon on it not costing Tatis.
          3. Padres fans who defend the Urias trade to the death on this site. Also, no guarantee Whit stays good, especially with him already being 31.

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  12. Angels & NL West

    5 years ago

    I have to give Dayton Moore the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I would do it differently. But in his defense, he did take a downtrodden, small market franchise to the pinnacle just a few years ago – no small task. I’m guessing he knows alot more than I do.

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  13. MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

    5 years ago

    Dayton Moore seems to be cut from the same Bobby Evans cloth of “sentimentality over long-term outlook.” That doesn’t work when you are rebuilding, plain and simple.

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    • Yep it is

      5 years ago

      You mean Bobby “I won 3 titles in the last decade Evans? “ I guess that is a great cloth.

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      • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

        5 years ago

        I said it doesn’t work when you are rebuilding Einstein. That is what the Royals are doing. They aren’t going to win another title before Whit retires, traded or otherwise. But trading him makes another title after he retires much more likely.

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        • Yep it is

          5 years ago

          Thanks Smelly. I guess the 4 Championships between them , and 5 appearances makes them look like they don’t know what they are doing. I guess you know better then them. Sitting there in your double wide with your Chevette on blocks

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        • MikeEmbletonSmellsBad

          5 years ago

          Yet again you miss the point. I said it doesn’t work WHEN YOU ARE REBUILDING. The Giants and Royals obviously weren’t rebuilding when they won those championships so it is irrelevant to the current discussion.

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  14. Eatdust666

    5 years ago

    2027

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  15. 8

    5 years ago

    They need to fire Dayton and steal Billy Beane from the the A’s if they want a chance anytime soon. Or hire Jeff Lunhow and AJ Hinch to win right away.

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    • wordonthestreet

      5 years ago

      Lunhow has shown he can win by cheating nothing else.

      Hinch was a deer in headlights. Could not stop the cheating. He has no leadership skills and no respect.

      Both would be terrible choices

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