In the first trade since MLB’s transaction freeze has lifted, the Padres are set to acquire infield prospect Jorge Mateo from the A’s, Jeff Passan and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN report (Twitter link). Oakland will receive a player to be named later in return. San Diego has announced the trade.
Long regarded as one of baseball’s more promising prospects due in no small part to his 80-grade speed, Mateo has yet to debut in the Majors. The 25-year-old was a central piece in the trade that sent right-hander Sonny Gray from Oakland to New York, but he hasn’t been afforded a chance in the Majors with either the Yankees or the A’s. He has, however, been on the 40-man roster of both clubs long enough to have exhausted all of his minor league options. In other words, he’ll have to make the Padres’ Opening Day roster or else be designated for assignment.
Mateo was one of several players in the mix for playing time at second base in Oakland, vying with Franklin Barreto, Tony Kemp and Rule 5 pick Vimael Machin for that role. Now in San Diego, he’ll once again be looking up at Jurickson Profar — a former ballyhooed prospect himself — and hoping to find his way into the mix for at-bats. Mateo does have a bit of center field experience as well, having logged 247 innings there back in 2017.
It’s easy to see why Mateo was so well-regarded back in 2015-16. He split the 2015 campaign between Class-A and Class-A Advanced at just 20 years of age and slashed a combined .278/.345/.392. He only homered twice, but Mateo added 23 doubles, 11 triples and an unheard-of-in-today’s-game 82 stolen bases in just 117 games. His stock dipped a bit with a mediocre showing in 2016, but 2017 saw Mateo bounce back with a .267/.322/.459 slash and 52 steals. A shortstop with that type of output piqued the Athletics’ interest, and the A’s sent Gray to the Bronx in exchange for Mateo, Dustin Fowler and James Kaprielian in a trade that now hasn’t really panned out for anyone involved.
Mateo’s numbers cratered in 2018, and while last year’s .289/.330/.504 slash in Triple-A were a nice rebound, the bounceback effort wasn’t quite as strong as it’d appear on the surface. That slash line translated to just a 96 wRC+ in the supercharged offensive environment in the Triple-A Pacific Coast League (where Mateo’s home park in Las Vegas is particularly hitter-friendly).
I’d guess this is why Dozier wasn’t on the 60 man. Interesting.
Dozier was a minor league deal. That may have more to do with why he’s not on the roster yet. Like what the Giants did with Sandoval and others. There may be some procedures to go through to get him the appropriate pay and such.
He has the best chance of any 2b candidate to be good. It would be weird to walk away from that.
Today in the “things come full circle” category
Should have been Baretto
As a Padres fan who saw Baretto coming up through the A’s system I gotta say no thanks.
Wait’ll you see Profar try to throw to 1st base to complete a double play. Yeah. he made some spectacular catches, but that arm of his is a noodle. He has a wonderful smile, however, and we A’s fans will miss that. For our purposes, Barreto is the better option at 2nd base. As are Kemp and Machin.
Looks like he might have won the second base job
No, that’s Tony Kemp.
Nice sneaky pick up
Damn
AN ACTUAL TRADE LETS GOOOO
Mateo is an interesting player… he’s had some pretty solid seasons in the minors and obviously has great speed – given his SB totals and the amount of triples he’s hit (which is particularly impressive). Obviously he doesn’t quite represent a ‘complete’ offensive player at this point and he isn’t particularly young (25) but it’ll be interesting to see if he can build off of the power he displayed last season and eventually become a regular contributor in some capacity in the majors. Best of luck to him, he’d definitely be an interesting player to watch given the speed and newfound pop.
I think Mateo could be a dynamic star, he just needs to play everyday. Oakland is much too backed up at 2B and SS options right now, all players with higher ceilings than Mateo, but Mateo’s speed in CF might make him a plus defender but he needs more reps there, I wish Oakland just stuck with him there instead of constantly moving him between 3 positions, its hard to learn by doing lots at once, many people learn better getting one thing down at a time.
The only knock on him is he might be a low-IQ, all-athlete type, hence all the caught stealings even to this day.
You don’t think the padres are as well? The question is, can he play at the mlb level
Mateo could be a dynamic star but the A’s have players with much higher ceilings? Does that make sense?
What is a higher ceiling than a dynamic star?
That’s a great question.
In the real world, we’re most likely looking at a pinch runner here.
He has a high upside, and a high likelihood of never reaching it and being Billy Hamilton at best.
Erik Longenhagen at FG just did him in the write up and actually thought he regressed last year selling out for pull power in one of the most hitter friendly environments on the planet. I assume that the PTBNL is off a list of some more interesting players since he would be able to be in the 2B mix in re-training and then at least warrants a 30Man spot for the first two weeks as a defensive replacement/pinch runner. So with his pedigree and current usefulness to the team I assume they didnt give him away for nothing since keeping him till rosters slim and trying to sneak him through DFA when other teams are all full up beats taking just nothing. They did change the rules so no drafted players could be a PTBNL but sometimes teams do that if they would be adding someone that would require additional roster moves.
He’s interesting, all right. He was a bit immature while with the Yankees, making several poor decisions when speaking to and about management. Has the tools, not sure if he has the ethics or self control to get to the top.
Wonder who is the PTBN… A’s Billy Beane and co are always a top of their business things…
Billy has eyes for skater-boy Wil Myers… Just like AJ has for so many useless prospects and overpaid reserves (Hosmer)
Gotta be one of the Padres 2020 draft picks who can’t be traded yet. Only reason its a PTBNL right now when everyone’s available.
I’m pretty sure they got rid of that rule after the Trea Turner fiasco.
still have to wait until the season ends to trade the player. Turner changed it from 1 full year to the end of that season is when you can first trade the player.
@Strike Four the Trea Turner rule clearly stipulates that players who were just drafted cannot be used as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before they were eligible to be traded.
Probably not.
If anything it’s a list of young players no one has heard of it low minors that the As want. As are cheap.
all minor league players cost the same
I would guess the PTBNL is a player not on the Padres new 60 man list and as such is currently not able to switch organizations.
@roguesaw
This is highly likely to be the case I think. He is to valuable in trade value to just give him away for nothing since he has value to the team this season even if it risks losing him, so I assume the PTBNL is a maybe not insignificant non-60 man player.
So who are you hoping it is?
Not likely.
He’s out of options. He wasn’t making the A’s 60 man. You don’t get a pick from the shortened 2020 draft pick for that. The PTBNL will be of the quality that would normally be “PTBNL or cash.”
This feels like a move for the sprint season; Position players won’t need many days off, so you can keep a guy pretty much just for his speed.
He was one of the last spring cuts and ranks middle to the top of most prospect lists with 30 man rosters and him already on the 40 man there is no reason to throw him away instead of giving him a few starts to see what you have and be able to PR him until rosters pair down.
They still dont have a lock at 2B and he was as promising as the rest.
Yes being out of options is a ding on value, but mostly he needs a rebuilding team that can give him ABs. There are enough of those lurking around that they could have gotten the Os or KC to give them something. He has weird value but his trade value is real and his value to the team is enough that they had to get a real return or they could have just kept him and rolled the dice on a dfa once rosters are set if it didnt work out.
PTBNL could be any player not designated on the 60 man.
Doesn’t have to be a 2020 draft pick.
Can’t be a 2020 draft pick. They are not allowed to be traded until after the 2020 World Series has concluded. And yes, that includes using them as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before the 2020 World Series has concluded.
I’m surprised Oakland is just letting Mateo go for nothing. Baretto hasn’t done anything in any part of the three years that he’s been in the bigs. Yes Mateo is 25 which is on the older side for a prospect but he did have an 834 OPS in 120 games last season. I’m sure he wouldn’t have a hard time transitioning from SS to 2B and it’s not like he’s gonna ever play SS with Machado and Tatis. Pads dealt Urías and acquired Profar but I’m sure they’ll let Mateo compete for the 2B job
You are assuming it’s nothing.
He was out of options making his “acquisition price” much more affordable. Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle in the battle for 2nd base!
Where does it say “nothing” it says “Oakland will receive a player to be named later in return.” which could be someone SD just drafted.
PTBNL’s barely ever hold any value and I doubt that SD would flip a new draft pick for a 25 year old prospect
You never know if a PTBNL could be valuable. Watch the movie PTBNL that player won a world series. SD will probably trade a similar player that is blocked at that position like Mateo was.
Arc89 you can sleep peacefully tonight knowing that the A’s received more for Jorge Mateo than they did for the Starting QB that Billy Beane selected 8th overall.
Anyone not on a teams 60 man pool cant be traded except as a PTBNL right now. Lots of Padres prospects arent on the 60. If OAK doesnt want to add the player to there own 60 they wouldnt want the SDP to add them to make the trade. It is likely a -AA player who maybe mid to back of there top prospect list. In that case it can be a “real” player who isnt being traded normally because this season isnt normal.
Who? Let’s hear some names.
that QB they selected at the time was a nobody in the NCAA. who would have known he would be the #1 pick in the NFL. I bet when the A’s drafted Matt Chapman you made fun of the A’s. He wasn’t in any top 50 drafts in baseball. . So you win some you lose some. Ever team in baseball has wasted 1st round pick like that Yank #1 that got knifed at a party.
I’d never make fun of a baseball player being taken in the late first round.
I truly don’t know what you’re talking about with a Yankees prospect getting knifed. But, if you’re comparing the Kyler Murray selection to a prospect who happened to be murdered, then that’s all kinds of fucced up and stupid.
Javia I could see a guy like:
SP Jacob Nix.
C Blake Hunt.
OF Jorge Ona
3B Hudson Potts
Inf. Tucupita Marcano
as examples
I am fine with any of those Mr. Padre. I think it will turn out to be someone like that or even below. I just wanted to hear what ChapmansVacuum had to say. He was constantly talking up Mateo, saying how incredibly valuable he still is. I wanted to see if he was expecting a top 10 prospect of ours in return!
please you came here to troll Muarry was not even top 5 worst draft picks this decade. .Mark Appel was a much bigger bust. Kevin Maitin. Christian Arroyo. Riley Pint. Jon Singleton. Tyler Kolek. Alex Jackson. Bubbe Starling. The list goes on and on but you are hung up on Murray. Please tell us your favorite team so we can rip their picks.
No it can’t be someone SD just drafted.
It could be. You just can’t trade draftees for a certain duration. Hence the PTBNL. Like with the Dansby Swanson and Shelby Miller deal
You can’t be a PTBNL until you are eligible to be traded (after World Series). It’s not one of the new picks.
You can no longer include drafted players until they are eligible to be traded as PTBNL. They are on ice till season ends. This was the other half of the Trea Turner rule. The wait time on them being tradeable is shorter, and they are untradeable in every fashion until then.
Like ChapmansVacuum said, players who were just drafted are not allowed to be used as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before they are eligible to be traded. The PTBNL in this trade will 100% not be any of the recently drafted players.
I’m willing to bet lots of money I don’t have that Beane got the better end of this deal. Not quite sure where we’re playing this dude anyway. Sadly, neither does Preller.
I would take that bet. A prospect with no options left gets traded for scrap. He isn’t going to get a top 10 prospect. He probably won’t get a top 30 prospect. He was likely trade for a possible low level reliever.
Mateo is a literal lottery ticket. He has been around for a while but has never made it. He has a 1 in 1000 chance of becoming a successful major leaguer. But people still buy lotto tickets, and some people do win. But you don’t pay more than a few dollars on that kind of chance. Therefore, PTBNL.
He is still youngish. He hasnt been given a shot. He has top of the scale speed and athleticism, and well rated defense with some flexibility on position. Being out of options is a ding, but players like that have tons of value in trade to any of the dozen or so non competitive teams who can afford to give him PT. Being out of options is a value drain, but he was a backend top 100 not that long ago and teams will pay for that sort of upside and being MLB ready.
They do not have tons of value. The Padres gave up something for him but it’s likely not what you’re thinking.
His OPS last year was worse than league average… PCL numbers are a joke.
His batting line was stellar by MLB standards yet not even league avg. Fowler also had a like .277/.333/.477 line that was only worth like a 90wRC+ PCL is such a joke and thats numbers that dont have park factors involved so the actual line is even worse since LV has a top 3 hitters park in all of the minors. LV is elevated dry and hot any baseball there is juiced to the hilt. Brown was a fine contributer to the MLB team last year with no HR. He had 37 in LV in a partial season.
sure they werent great by PCL standards, but its not like they were bad as far as general baseball numbers go. also add in baserunning and defensive versatility. you’re fooling yourself if you think the guy is worthless without a game played in the Majors.
Stats are relative to the output the rest of the league puts up. If MLB stadiums moved their walls in 50 feet; 30 homeruns would no longer be good.
If every team played baseball in the elevation that Colorado was in, .800 would no longer be a good OPS.
Mateo was not good in AAA.
Mateo was probably asking to be paid his salary this year so Beane shipped him out.
Might have something to do with the A’s having like 500 MLB-quality middle infielders ready now.
He doesn’t have a guaranteed salary, you’re 0 for 3 on the credible facts dept over the past two days.
Also 0-for-500 lifetime.
statman is just another fool that hates baseball. He is all over the WNBA page saying how fun its watching them play ball.
Why tho?
I’m terrified of what Preller might give back.
Me too. I’m hoping it’s Profarha
Considering we traded Profar to SD THIS offseason, highly unlikely lol
i mean its not unprecedented. essentially its Mateo for Reed in that case, which is not too one-sided given Reed has options, but Mateo is more advanced and may have a higher floor.
Austin Allen too…
I’m guessing it’s either Hassell, Lange or Caissie, being the Padres latest draft picks can’t be traded just yet.
You do jest.
Yes give up this year’s draft people for a career minor leaguer, that makes no sense. They just wanted to get him in camp and will hammer out the other player later.
Definitely not Hassell, and I highly doubt Lange
Hassell really?
@Strike Four they aren’t allowed to be used in trades that were agreed upon before the conclusion of the 2020 World Series smart guy. No, not even as PTBNL’s.
It’s not any of those guys. Not to be insulting, but it’s crazy to even think so.
I am sure it is Hassell the Padres are trading for Mateo Strike Four. Then the Padres are going to turn around and trade Mateo for Acuna.
The Padres traded Hassell for Jorgre Mateo or Matt Chapman is worth 500 million dollars. These are things that have come out of your mouth.
Its any minor leaguer not on the 60 man player pool. Since every single one of them can only be a PTBNL. The only players we know it isnt are 60 player pool and the 5 draft picks from this year.
So who are you hoping for? What prospect do you think he is worth?
So whoever we traded has to be on our 60..but our 60 isn’t filled…Hmmm
Since A’s are contending and bullpen being a big advantage in short season, im hoping it’s a reliever like Wingenter/Perdomo/Guerra
It’s definitely not going to be anyone on the MLB roster, the A’s are too stacked right now just about everywhere. Mateo or Barreto had to be moved or else be released. Mateo is a good prospect who might stick in CF too, but I’m pre-expecting Preller gave up too much.
i mean in theory it may be someone like Cronenworth, who provides less upside but has options, though, that its a PTBN is curious.
The team could upgrade at RP since they have some DFA/Opt guys there but yeah they dont want a 40Man player back since theyre already log jammed there. If the Pads added the player to there pool in order to send them now OAK would then need to keep them on there own 60 for the rest of the season. Since we found out unless there is a CV-19 outbreak teams have to DFA/Opt/or release anyone to get them off the 60. This is a mystery we likely wont learn the answer to until the end of the season.
They can always add someone to the 60 just to trade him. Going to be plenty of that this year.
Preller has a shopping addiction.
What he has been needing to do and has yet to accomplish is getting rid of Wil Myers and Eric Hosmer. Both should have never signed to egregious amounts of money.
Need a team to actually be willing to take them first
No one wants those guys. Try harder.
God forbid, if Tatis or Paddack can’t stay healthy, it would be easy to say that Preller has been one of our worst. The Pads are just really good “in the future”, always.
An A’s trade always scares me…
honestly a steal. this guy will be at least a very good utility guy if given the chance.
The Padres are expected to carry 5-OF this year; Pham, Grisham, Myers, Naylor and Cordero. Which of those 5 is a plus CF? Probably none of them. Grisham will be playing it for us, but we have no good CF backup.
Mateo is here to be the Padres backup CF and INF and another possibility for a starting 2B.
Mateo is more of an infielder than an OF. he has the talent to take the 2B spot in a relatively weak grouping like this and if not can play either middle spot and probably a bit of 3B or even OF. honestly, having 6 players who can play OF isnt too bad on a 30 man active when pitching changes are expected to be aplenty.
With universal DH will pitching changes affect substitution in the field the way they have traditionally in the NL? I would think there would be less need for pinch hitters obviously so less defensive substitutions until later innings when perhaps a team is trying to protect a close lead. But I am not an avid watcher of the AL outside the playoffs so I don’t know for sure how substituting usually plays out with a DH as opposed to no DH
that’s true, i did forget about that for a second there.
They need to trade Preller’s son Profar
Preller wanted Mateo badly ever since he was a prospect with the Yankees. I’m afraid we will get fleeced.
I agree w you guys for the most part but the OF could get ugly, quickly. Naylor is basically a DH if he grows . If Cordero is healthy, it might just be time to pay Myers off and bring in someone from the XFL with a similar skill-set. We have one hitter in the OF in Pham. Not a pretty picture overall. Maybe Grisham if we get lucky.
Weird pick up here. We have a quite a few of these “almost” types already- and this might be how Trammell looks in a few years. Not a fan
Mateo is automatically the Padres best CF on the roster.
#PrellerbeingPreller #JuricksonProfar
You said it perfectly.
Ptbnl will be based on performance unless it’s a player drafted this year….Nice trade in general. 80 speed is nice to have on expanded roster and A’s Don’t have a spot for him.
Also good example on value of an all star caliber player who’s making a decent wage trade value. Gray should get a much better return as a center piece of trade than Mateo yet that was best offer at time….
I don’t remember a PTBNL ever being based on performance.
Usually it’s “Here’s a list of five guys. You have until X date to pick.” It’s not “If Mateo does bad, you get Player A. Mediocre, Player B. Great, Player C.”
I’ve heard of teams doing performance based ptbnl. Never anything significant. More like here’s list A. If the guy meets these bench marks, than heres list B from which you can choose from. More often its “if this player does not meet these benchmarks, than your ptbnl becomes cash”
Do you have any examples? Not picking a fight, but I’m really old and I’ve never heard of it.
Dave Winfield was traded on August 31, 1994 to the Cleveland Indians for a PTBNL. Under the terms and conditions of the trade, if Winfield appeared in 16 or more games with the Indians, the Twins would receive a Class AA-level PTBNL, but if he played between one and 15 games the PTBNL would be Class A-level.
Spoiler alert: there was a strike lol. Cleveland sent the Twins $100 and took their gm out to dinner.
Well, that was 26 years ago, and it wasn’t performance so much as attendance. It was specifically because of the impending strike, which everyone knew about.
Well I mean, Google your own examples if you don’t like mine. They’re out there. If you want a good laugh, read into the Jose Uribe PTBNL Jack Clark trade from the ’80s.
I have. The closest I can find is the Sabathia trade to Milwaukee, but that was based on the team’s performance, not the player.
There have been a few trades like this over the years, but they always spell out at the time of the trade that there are structures in placed so that the return can shift. Usually its a player with injury concerns where you get more if they stay healthy.
CC Sabathia traded to the Brewers for Matt LaPorta, Zach Jackson, Rob Bryson and, if the Brewers made the playoffs, Michael Brantley, If the Brewers didn’t make the playoffs, no Michael Brantley, Taylor Green.
..is probably the best example of a performance based deal that I can think of.
i mean it probably happens with some frequency but given PTBNL is an open slot to be filled later it’s probable the terms are not put into writing, and if they are its just not publicized
for example a trade for “a PTBNL or cash” seems to be a possible example. cash can be a fallback if a player cant be found to fit the bill, but cash may be the route a team will go if a player fails to play a certain number of games.
These are exchanges of legal contracts. The terms — not the negotiations, but the final terms — are all in writing.
The cash option is…I don’t want to say always, but close enough…what a team chooses when none of the player(s) to be named later are worth getting. You have a choice between a couple of kids who pooped the bed in the second half of the season and weren’t very interesting before that, you’re tempted to take the $50K or whatever.
A’s nixed a rich harden trade deadline deal to red sox back in the day because red sox tried to attach performance and injury based stipulations to the ptbnl return. I remember lars anderson was one of the prospects discuseed, maybe workman
The list of players is always agreed to at the time of the trade. The wait would let your own scouts take a closer look at the 5 in a normal season before you make the choice. Drafted players cant be traded in any way until they can be swapped right then, rules changed a few years ago.
At the time Mateo was a backend top 100 and Fowler was a top 100 before his injury that season. Kap was a TJS guy who looked like a top of the rotation ace based on stuff before getting hurt. They took a bunch of guys who had injuries to boost the number of high upside players in the deal. Look at the coverage from the deal at the time lots of evaluators liked it for both. Oak hasnt been able to give the players a shot, and Gray couldnt pitch in NY city. Hasnt worked out perfect for anyone but Oak still has a couple guys with upside as org depth and NY got a decent return for Gray considering his limited remaining team control and down year.
I remember when he had all the hype around him, he was one of the headliners of the Sonny Gray trade
I remember when Yankees fans said Mateo was a star and that giving him up itself was an overpayment for Sonny Gray…..
It’s shocking that Yankees fans overrated one of their prospects. Have you seen some of the trade proposals for Clint Frazier on this site? One guy had him as the headliner in a Nolan Arenado trade! LOL. Clint Frazier sucks BTW.
Still bitter about not getting called after a nice seafood dinner? Give it a rest Dorothy
Team fans are always crazy. I have seen Yankees fans suggest Frasier and Andujar as enough for Lindor, Clevinger, etc.
They also were unhappy about giving up Fowler and Kaprielian.
Billy Hamilton Jr
Maybe nothing comes of this trade but Beane got something out of this and Preller got his go-to offensive player: “big potential”, can’t quite hit, doesnt exactly have a position, can run, and is running out of time to develop. He’s good at finding reclaimed pitchers, his offensive players…. Not so much.. Beane builds occasional winners out on a limited budget, Preller builds 70 win teams and is taking a look at Antonio Brown.
Preller realizing Profar was another dumb trade he made
But on 2016 “The Show”, that was an epic video game trade
Designated 10th inning runner on 2B? I expect every team to stash a speedster for this scenario.
Jorge Mateo=Arismendy Alcantara. Always felt like they had similar skills sets and prospect rankings based on potential.
This may be a crazy statement but it wouldn’t shock me if Mateo is the next Brandon Phillips. Both highly regarded prospects who were traded for basically nothing and turned into highly productive Major Leaguers.
Based on the direction of this club, he could be the next Wade Phillips
Lol Lol that was good.
Based on the transactions of his old club, it would really upset the Athletics if Mateo turned out to be a football coach. They only enjoy drafting football players and receiving nothing in return
Well, you tried I guess.
Billy looking to get some money in return since the A’s were picked into actually paying their broke minor Leaguers the $400/wk they deserved. Classless organization ran by greedy people.
Hey sales of Capri pants have been down at the GAP, fisher is facing hard times just like the rest of us.
Anyone who’s not on/won’t be added to the 60man list has to be PTBNL now right? I think I saw that teams were prohibited from trading anyone not on those lists?
My issue with this trade from A’s is with semien a free agent next year they really have no one mlb ready to replace him. Mateo at least until nick allen who’s 2 years away, couldve been that replacement. I wouldve much rather kept mateo over kemp. Padres have a loaded farm system so the ptbnl might be something i hope. They did get semi interesting austin allen and buddy reed for a lousy profar
Was really looking forward to the A’s having a guy who could legitimately steal bases. I know 24/35 (sb) isn’t exactly promising, at AAA nonetheless, but I can’t help thinking he was being mismanaged in 2018/19. Odd for a young player to go from putting up 82 and 52 steal seasons to not even breaking 30 over the last two years, while presumably healthy.
24/35 SB is top 10, maybe top 5 in the league nowadays. and wether or not its AAA shouldnt matter. speed is speed, it generally transfers.
Preller was quoted in the SD paper saying that the reason this is a PTBNL is because it’s a player not on the 60 man and the trade likely wouldn’t be completed until the offseason.
I also saw a tweet from Kiley McDaniel that makes perfect sense – teams may want PTBNLs because they haven’t seen minor leaguers play in a while and hopefully there is some type of fall instructs/league where they can scout them and make sure they’re still on track before officially acquiring them.
Looking at this specific deal, I’d say Mateo is like somewhere around the ~15th best prospect for the Padres, but he’s out of options and 25 so I think that reduces his value somewhat. We also know it can’t be one of the Padres best dozen other so prospects since they’re all on the 60 man. If I had to guess, I’d say A’s are probably getting someone like Tirso Ornelas or Jeisson Rosario. If it’s a pitcher, then maybe Reggie Lawson? Who knows though it could be some really young lotto ticket type guy that OAK likes.
Maybe Hudson Potts.
Yeah I could see it. I think it might be a little bit of an overpay and he’s kind of at the top end of the tier that I could see SD giving up, but he’s also very blocked at 3B by Machado so they could be willing to move him.
Better not be anyone in the top 25 or so
15th best prospect in a deep system is a high estimate. Fangraphs had him #15 for Oakland. They put him at #30 for San Diego. There are about 15 guys in that 40 Future Value bucket for us, so the exact spot isn’t as important as the neighborhood.
He struck out 145 times last year and walked 29. He played a lot of games in dry stadiums where breaking balls don’t break. That’s a bright red warning light, accompanied by a piercing siren.
The three players you listed are all a little higher rated, but not outrageously so. Somebody in that range, or lower but with remaining options, seems likely.
Good acquisition for the Padres
Jorge Mateo.
World Series, here we come…
On a serious note, I think the trade barely moves the needle for SD, and I doubt anything too valuable is going back the other way.
SD currently has an abundance of AAAA/number 5 starter-types, or long relievers, who are unlikely to crack SD’s rotation or loaded bullpen, and who will either be DFA’d or released if they don’t make it.
However, some of those pitchers could still hold value for another organization and serve as depth pieces there. Players in the pool who are on the bubble to make the 40 man roster include the likes of Baez, Bolanos, Perdomo, Weathers, even Quantrill….
Or a player who failed to make the pool altogether, but who still holds some value (Almonte?). Can they be traded?
It seems like a typical low-risk, moderate-upside prospect flip.
Maybe Perdomo out of any of those listed. Westhers Baez Quantrill definitely not going back for pinche Mateo. Those guys are high draft picks who are in our long term plans, w tons of service time, upside and very little experience to just dump for a bench guy
Yeah you’re spot on. It’s pretty amazing to see Preller run the same route and expect different results. Profar, this new guy, Wil, etc…. It’s like we’re going to keep seeing Will Middlebrooks showing up in different bodies– and hear endlessly about the upside.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and go 31-29 this year. Finally play some .500 ball ….
I think Mateo’s value has spiked because of the extra inning man on 2nd rule. Steal 3rd w 0 outs, good chance you’re scoring.
On the speed tool alone one would think a contending team could use Mateo as a 26th man coming off the bench in a close game to swipe a bag or score from 2nd on a single. Unfortunately, Oakland does not believe in stealing bases, team speed or fast runners. Because they refuse to fill gaps or holes on their team they will never be anything more than an ALDS loser until they start becoming more open-minded with their approach to the game of baseball.
Clickbait tweet by MLBTR just now (7.1.20 2:00pm EST) saying “Trade!!” as if it were a new one that they hadn’t already covered.