As the Cubs look to shake up their offense and trim salary this winter, longtime third baseman Kris Bryant is likely to be on the trading block. Bryant, drafted second overall in 2013, has one more year of control remaining following the worst season of his career. Bryant managed just a 76 wRC+ in 147 plate appearances this year, battling a series of injuries. In the five years prior, Bryant posted a 139 wRC+ and averaged over five wins above replacement per season, though his best production was concentrated at the beginning of his career.
Bryant has spent over 80% of his career defensive innings at third base, and metrics suggest he’s roughly average at the position. The bulk of his remaining innings have come at the outfield corners. It’s fair to say that Bryant can probably play all three of these positions capably, but he fits best as a third baseman.
Bryant was set to earn $18.6MM in 2020 before the season was cut short, and he’s arbitration eligible one last time before entering free agency after the 2021 season. While a small raise looks likely, I expect his ’21 salary to fall short of $20MM.
In at least four different seasons in Bryant’s career, $20MM would have been a bargain. But in the uncertain climate of the 2020-21 MLB offseason, the list of teams willing to spend that amount on a player coming off a bad year is likely to be short. With demand low, the Cubs might receive a minimal return in trade this winter. That could be a reason to keep Bryant for one last run in 2021, or at least hold him until the July trade deadline.
On the other hand, maybe the Cubs really want to reboot their offense this winter, and crave payroll flexibility. At the least, they’ll listen to offers. Keep in mind that Bryant is not actually under contract for 2021, and if the Cubs want sheer relief from the prospect of paying him, they could non-tender him on December 2nd and get nothing in return. That seems unlikely for a player who was a star just a year ago. As to the shape of a possible trade return, the Cubs probably can’t be too picky. They could choose a return geared toward winning in 2021, or seek players with multiple years of control remaining. They could look for players earning the league minimum, or accept someone making millions but still less than Bryant. They could fill rotation or outfield holes, or just take the best available offer. With that in mind, let’s dig into possible suitors.
We’ll begin by eliminating the Brewers, Cardinals, Reds, and White Sox. It seems highly unlikely to me that the Cubs, who are assumed to be trying to win in 2021, would trade Bryant to a division or crosstown rival with the same goal. We’ll also strike the Orioles and Rangers, who do not seem positioned for a push toward contention in 2021. We’ll cross off the Pirates for both reasons.
Here’s what we have left.
Teams That Could Afford Bryant And Could Make Room At Third Base
- Blue Jays: The Jays’ primary third baseman in 2020 was Travis Shaw, and he’s a non-tender candidate. As GM Ross Atkins put it, “I think we are in a position where we could add to this team with talent that is condensed in one player and a super high impact.” Bryant fits the bill.
- Nationals: Carter Kieboom struggled mightily for the Nats this year, and sliding Bryant in at third base for a year would be an easy fit.
- Braves: Austin Riley is the Braves’ incumbent at the hot corner, and his career has begun with an 87 wRC+ over 503 plate appearances. Bryant would fit with GM Alex Anthopoulos’ recent strategy of high-dollar one-year deals for Josh Donaldson and Marcell Ozuna.
- Dodgers: Replacing free agent Justin Turner with Bryant would be a bold move, but if that’s the Dodgers’ preference it’s a viable option.
- Tigers: The Tigers don’t seem close enough to contending to acquire a one-year rental like Bryant. But they could afford him, and primary third baseman Isaac Paredes did not play well this year. If the Tigers go on a spending spree with an eye on contending in 2021, Bryant could theoretically be a part of that.
Teams That Could Afford Bryant But Would Have To Use Him In An Outfield Corner
- Astros: The Astros have Alex Bregman locked in at third base, so Bryant would have to spend 2021 mostly playing right field. It’s not a crazy idea.
- Giants: Bryant offers more upside than incumbent third baseman Evan Longoria, but Longoria is under contract through 2022. Bryant would probably have to slot in at left field for the Giants over Alex Dickerson. It’s not an ideal fit for a team seeking a left-handed-hitting infielder.
- Marlins: Whether the Marlins could afford Bryant is up for debate, but I think it’s somewhat possible. They’ve got Brian Anderson at third base, but didn’t get much at the outfield corners in 2020. JJ Bleday isn’t quite ready, while Jesus Sanchez and Monte Harrison have Triple-A experience. Making room for Bryant for one year isn’t out of the question.
- Red Sox: The Red Sox don’t seem primed to go all-in on 2021, and they have Rafael Devers at third base. But if they do decide to make a push, they could trade or demote Andrew Benintendi and use Bryant in left field.
Teams That Don’t Seem To Have A Spot For Bryant
- Angels: The Halos have Anthony Rendon at third, Justin Upton in left, and Jo Adell in right. Upton hasn’t been great the last two seasons, but he’s signed through 2022. Adell struggled in his 38-game debut and could theoretically be held off for most of 2021, but doing that to accommodate Bryant seems unlikely for a team focused on pitching.
- Phillies: It’d be fun to see old friends Bryce Harper and Bryant finally unite in Philly. But the Phils have Alec Bohm slated for third, Andrew McCutchen in left, and Harper in right. If the NL adds the DH for ’21, then there could be room for Bryant.
- Mariners: They’ve got Kyle Seager locked in at third base for 2021, and by June should have an outfield of Jarred Kelenic, Kyle Lewis, and Mitch Haniger in place. It’s hard to see where Bryant would fit in.
- Twins: The Twins are set with Josh Donaldson at third base, Eddie Rosario in left field, and Max Kepler in right. Unloading Rosario to acquire Bryant is technically possible, though.
- Yankees: The Yankees are in good shape with Gio Urshela at third base, and figure to use Clint Frazier in left field and Aaron Judge in right.
- Mets: J.D. Davis served as the Mets’ primary third baseman in 2020, while Jeff McNeil and Dominic Smith handled left field. All of these players, including Bryant, can play multiple positions. All three Mets players hit well in 2020, and I can’t think of a good reason they would replace an affordable player with Bryant. Maybe there’s some combination of trades that gets Bryant to the Mets, but it’d be a lot of moving parts. Or, as with the Phillies, the addition of an NL DH for 2021 could open up a spot.
Teams That Could Find A Spot For Bryant, But Probably Can’t Afford Him
- Padres: The Padres have pushed their payroll pretty far, but it’s never wise to count out A.J. Preller. University of San Diego alum Kris Bryant would be a fun addition, but they’re already expected to shop Wil Myers due to his salary. Perhaps if they succeed on that front, and/or they non-tender Tommy Pham, the Padres could pull it off.
- Diamondbacks: Demoting Eduardo Escobar and plugging Bryant in at third as their big right-handed bat addition would be intriguing for the Diamondbacks, but with the club looking at a reduced payroll I can’t see how they’d add a $20MM player.
- Rays: The Rays could find a spot for Bryant, maybe in right field, but with one of the game’s smallest payrolls it’s difficult to picture a $20MM addition.
- Royals: The Royals don’t have much in the way of contracts, but after you add in their arbitration eligible players, paying for Bryant could be a reach. They are one team in this bracket that could make it work if they really wanted to.
- Athletics: The A’s could be aggressive in cuts with other aspects of the team and fit Bryant into an outfield corner, but it doesn’t seem likely.
- Indians: Bryant would make for a solid corner outfield rental for the Indians, but they’re not going to add Bryant in an offseason where they’re expected to trade Francisco Lindor.
- Rockies: The Rockies are generally expected to shed payroll, entertaining offers for Nolan Arenado and Trevor Story. I can’t see how Bryant fits there.
In my opinion, the teams best-suited to trade for Bryant are the Blue Jays, Nationals, Braves, Dodgers, and Astros. Of course, that’s without knowing the motivations of those clubs and whether they’d offer something the Cubs would consider worthwhile.
If the universal DH is implemented, do the Phillies become a stronger candidate? Moving Bohm to 1st and making Hoskins a full-time DH would easily make room for Bryant.
Yes, or they could just move Cutch to DH and have Bryant play LF. We’ve been thinking that the NL DH could also open them up to Ozuna.
i don’t think they are adding any expensive bats besides a middle infielder or a C.
Time to let this go. Nobody wants him… 20m + hurt all the time + plus his walk year. Cubs return = 2 dozen base balls (they don’t have to be new)
I wouldn’t mind Bryant to my Mets for JD Davis. I think 4 years of control. Avg defense is better than bad defense.
Give Bohm most of the reps at first base in Spring Training and hope the Cubs will take a package centered around Hoskins.
Bryant is highly over valued average 3B at best. Fragile and his best years are behind him, don’t over pay or you’ll be sorry
No and not really.
Before last year, Bryant averaged 4.8 WAR, and 5.1/650. That is AS level value.
And Bryant has only had two seasons where he wasn’t pretty healthy. He played in 147+ games in four seasons, missed 60 games in 2018, and 26 games last year. He is not a beacon of good health, but he isn’t fragile either.
Players with a down season or two with high salary’s but high potential almost never get moved. If they moved him now that would be close to a pure salary dump. Wait for the season to unfold and give him the chance to rebound. Not to call his recent track record horrible but it’s not worth 20m and nobody will take a huge risk. Rebuilding his value is their best bet.
Bohm would go to the cubs in any trade for Kris Bryant. And if they have any worthy Pitching prospects too.
You will be very disappointed with the actual package Bryant brings back
They can do much better Bohm anyway. Doubt it will be that bad.
“better then Bohm” lol
You think the Phillies would trade Bohm? He’s probably the 2nd biggest asset on the team behind Nola (factoring salary in).
They definitely cannot do better than Bohm and Phillies will not trade Bohm. Bohm is more valuable than Bryant.
Bohm has done nothing significant yet. Bryant only has less value because of his team control. He has plenty of value. Hard to compare 60 games to 5 years.
I see where you can think that because he’s younger.
Not a chance in hell the Phillies are trading Bohm, who hit at every level and should win ROY. Realistically, the Cubs could receive McCutchen, or more likely, 2-3 prospects in the 7-30 range on the Phillies pipeline .
That would be a huge overpay for one year of Bryant. Maybe you are being sarcastic?
I heard the Phillies were after Chris “Crush” Davis as their DH.
1. That’s dumb
2. That’s only if the NL keeps the DH
3. Chris Davis literally has the worst contract in the last 10 years. That includes Milton Bradley to the cubs for 3/30. That’s more than 10 years. You get the point
4. Nice joke
I like how you used numbers/bullets to breakdown your point. Good job.
1. Chris “Crush” Davis is a member of the 50 HR club.
2. Chris “Crush” Davis is on an extremely team friendly contract.
3. Chris “Crush” Davis will easily win MVP in 2021
Chris Davis has one of the worse contracts in baseball. How is it team freondky? Last year it took him what like 200+ ABs get a hit or HR.
Absolutely it does. Especially if JT walks, they bring in KB, (Harper’s best friend), to make sure he isn’t pissed off. When will we find out if the DH is universal though? We could also just nake McCutchen part of the deal, and KB can play LF, where he has played often already. The key for the Phillies is to find a way to get Lindor.
Manfred shot down the DH in NL in 21 already. MLB and MLBPA both want it but MLB is using it as a bargaining chip
Red Sox could also move Benny to CF if they don’t bring JBJ back. He’s been a CF playing LF since he was first brought up. I don’t see them trading for Bryant, but trading or demoting Benintendi aren’t the only options with him.
I think Verdugo is the starting centerfielder April 1, 2021
And I think that they fill the outfield vacancy internally, although they shouldn’t
I don’t really think they can… who do they have to call-up to be an everyday OF? And especially someone who can handle CF — even if they go in with plans to play Benintendi there — they can’t rely entirely on a guy who missed almost all of last season and was atrocious when he was healthy to be able to play full time in CF. Even if they don’t go out and signs/acquire a premier OF (which I really think they should strongly consider) they’re going to have to add someone to the group because they just flat out don’t have the internal options not to do so.
They could sign Springer? KB, Springer and Verdugo would be a nice OF..Vazquez, , Dalbec, Chavis/Jeter Downs, Bogaerts, Devers would round out the IF, then they would just need about 12 pitchers
I don’t think they’re going to go after Bryant… but I’m also pretty sure Verdugo isn’t going to be their CF. If they were planning on moving him to CF — why wouldn’t they have tried him there more in 2020? Verdugo is a good RF, but he’s a RF not really suited for CF — especially not at the bizarre dimensions of Fenway Park — he just doesn’t have the range to man that CF triangle etc.
I would like to see him in DC. But he isn’t worth the cost of any real prospects.
Therein lies the rub. If he isn’t fetching talent, no pointing moving him.
Depends on how cheap the Cubs are being. They could move him for a modest return just to save money.
After the last 2-3 years of hearing from Epstein Cubs can’t trade players when they’re value is low. Ricketts family might not want to chance players getting moved later in season. They could order Epstein to non tender some players or take what we can get in trades.
Have we ever heard the Cubs say they need to “save money” or “spend less”? Or have they simply spent their budget, which is regularly (recently) Top 5 in the league, and then said there’s no more money left??
And because they have had talent that underperformed I think the idea of cruising into the luxury was not high on the priorities. But they regularly brought in someone to help (eg Kimbrel, Darvish) when they thought it made sense.
That said, the Cubs will lose Quintana and Chatwood’s salaries, along with most of Lester’s, so they have some money to spend and still be within range of 2020’s budget.
And while COVID is impacting the entire market, again, have they actually said their payroll is declining?
Most of the Cubs players underperformed in 2020 which is going to be good news for the Cubs when it comes to arbitration raises but you’re a little off base when you say “the Cubs will have some money to spend”
First, the Cubs are not going into the luxury tax… it’s pretty obvious that they have a strong desire to reset the luxury tax penalties.
Second, arbitration raises, Baez, Schwarber and Bryant are not going to get huge bumps but they will see some rises and Contreras and Happ should see a fairly decent raise. That will offset quite a bit of the salary coming “off the books”.
I think you have to look at 5-7 million under the luxury tax as a hard cap for the Cubs this season, the 5-7 million will allow them some flexibility to add at the trade deadline if need be. I don’t see any scenario where the Cubs pay the penalty for a third consecutive season.
I mean Edwin Diaz got a 4 million dollar raise for having a era over 5
The Cubs HAVE to cut payroll and knowing that KB is in his walk year, and that he still holds disdain against them for holding him back a year in FA and won’t re-sign this year makes him the 1st player to go and help save $.
Reset the luxury tax? Have they even exceeded the tax? I’m truly asking I really don’t know. But to my knowledge they’ve spent below the tax
“… and that he still holds disdain against them for holding him back a year in FA and won’t re-sign this year…”
Do we actually have any proof of this? Or is it just something you like to say?
After letting lester go and FA. We have 35 mil open. Nice space for bauer at 20m a year 🙂
Yes, the Cubs have gone over the luxury tax for two years running.
I figure, once the Cubs have all their aribitration players paid for, assuming we hang on the Kris Bryant, we will be sitting at rouhgly 165 million in payroll. Minus approx. 7 million for in season additions so 38 million. It’s not a lot of wiggle room when you have to consider what we have to replace.
1-starting pitcher (a high number 3)
2- RH hitting outfielder who can hit left handed pitching
3-high leverage reliever
Bauer will get more than 20 million AAV, he is out of our price range.
The Cubs kind of lucked out winning the division despite arbitration eligible guys having poor seasons which means their raises will not be as high as projected in the past. I gave roughly 3 million raises to every arbitration eligible player to get to 165 minus Caratini, Rhea and Ryan who I tabbed at 1.5 a piece.
35 million is pretty close but the needs vs. the payroll flexibility just isn’t there. Maybe if you can take a flyer on a bounce back candidate at starting pitcher can you add two position players that can help balance and change the dynamic of the line up.
Me personally, if I had 35 million to spend, it would be a guy like Ray or Archer on a hope and a prayer. Wong at 8 million and Pham if he gets DFA. Then try to bring Jeffers and Kintzler back. I may also try to re-sign Chatwood into a swing role depending on where he is in rehab.
Thanks Drasco I honestly didn’t know that no wonder they have clamped down on spending and are looking to shed payroll. That changes my whole thinking on the Cubs. I expected them to hang on to their core because they underperformed last year and I think their value has gone down but they may be forced into making a trade or two before the season starts. I don’t see a path to the Cubs getting better this offseason.
As far as holding disdain, there are a few examples of him displaying that. 1st one, was in his rookie year when he he hit close to .500 in spring and was sent down for the exact amount of time to preserve a FA year, afterward he said “this won’t be forgotten come time for a new contract”. Then, he filed a severance/grievance trying to become a FA this year but was denied last March. It’s safe to say he will not re-sign with the Cubs.
@gwaid44 where did he say “this won’t be forgotten come time for a new contract?” I googled it and the only thing that came up was this article. And he literally said the grievance was about trying to get the rule changed for future players. If the Cubs offer him the most $ in free agency, he will stay in Chicago, regardless of who said or did what to whom.
Totally agree hold o to your top prospects
Bohm would go to the cubs in any trade for Kris Bryant. And if they have any worthy Pitching prospects too. DC has no prospects.
are you serious? Bohm is a rising star and is under team control thru 2026. Bryant has been injury prone and his last three years are nowhere near as good as his first three. the Phillies are a team that desperately needs more players like Bohm – young, very good and cheap – if they are ever going to climb out of the deep hole they’re in. If Bryant gets traded for a young player it will be to a franchise who has plenty of good young players.
Imagine thinking this…. LOL
Can’t imagine the Nationals offering anything this offseason for one year of Bryant at that salary. Only way he ends up in DC this year is if he’s non-tendered.
I agree. Besides all our top prospects have either graduated to the majors or are several years away. Not a lot of prospect depth.
I wouldn’t cross off the White Sox; while they don’t trade *that* often,. Jose Quintana was a big deal here, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs would love to get a publicity bonus from getting some prospects in a trade the other way.
That said, I don’t think it’s likely for technical reasons – the White Sox don’t *really* have anything the Cubs would want that they’d also be willing to trade, and Jerry despises Scott Boras.
I think the Quintana trade was able to happen because the White Sox were in full rebuild mode at the time. With both teams trying to win, it’s hard to picture.
I don’t think Boras would matter unless they were going to try to extend him.
Sorry, I should’ve clarified: I think they’d be less likely to trade for him because they know they would likely not be able to extend him. The White Sox don’t tend to trade for rentals; even in 2005-2006 they didn’t trade for any meaningful rentals (Geoff Blum being the biggest – a bench bat, though of course an impactful trade!).
I suppose I’m less of a believer in the Cubs ability to win now than you (or, perhaps, Theo).
With CHC trying to win Bryant to nobody makes sense.
And trading for a player so you can try to extend him is really bad process. Just ask the Phillies with JT Realmuto.
Absolutely, unless you are a team with a short window of opportunity, or can work out an extension as a condition of making the trade. I believe the Cubs would be best served to hold onto him until the deadline, and if they are winning, play it out and let him walk after the season and get draft comp. Unless they are given a deal they like and feel that Hoerner/Bote can hold down 3B, or they are getting another player in a trade/FA. If I were Cubs management, I’d look to move him & Dervish (you’ll never be able to sell higher on him) to the Dodgers for some younger talent, maybe some combination of Gavin Lux, Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin,& veteran players like Max Muncy, AJ Pollock, Chris Turner? That would bring payroll down, and add talent now and for the future.
No way to the White Sox.
They just unloaded Edwin.
Maybe Cubs can trade him to Korean league if allowed to do so.
The owner of the site is replying to these comments, and he still allows trolls like this on here to comment. Unbelievable.
Yes, Snoopy’s comment was foolish.
Why would the Sox want Bryant as they have a future MVP at 3B – once he gets over the virus?!
I don’t know why you bring up the Sox because I do not think Bryant fills a hole, besides Left Field. Unless the Sox think 2021 is its year, I doubt a trade will be made.
Predicting a trade of Kris Bryant to any specific team is like throwing darts at this point in time. That said, the White Sox would be a more viable option than what the writer here suggests. Bryant has the athleticism, arm and range to play RF, certainly more so than what Nomar Mazara was capable of last season.
If the White Sox chose to pursue Cubs outfielder Kyle Schwarber this offseason, another pending free agent after this season and who possesses the type of high OBP/OPS bat their heavily right-handed leaning lineup could really use then you would be talking about a player who would be restricted to some combination of LF/DH where they already have Eloy Jimenez and Andrew Vaughn set to play in 2021.
I love Bryant for the Dodgers. Assuming they resign Turner, Bryant could be the starting LF (or start at 3B, pushing JT to 1B and Muncy to 2nd). They can afford him as a one year rental. My only concern is that there will be another team that needs him more and will offer more than the Dodgers in a trade package
I thought that Bryan would be a good acquisition for the Dodgers but didn’t realize he is a FA after 2021. Dodgers still need to re-sign Bellinger and/or Seager, so like you said he’s likely a rental. Not sure if that makes sense to pay up for a rental with some health risks and declining numbers. May still be an upgrade over Turner for 2021, but not sure. I don’t think there is a way that the Dodgers re-sign Turner and trade for Bryant. Where do you put Pollock and Joc if they re-sign him? Turner loses value at 1B, especially with his power numbers diminishing. Dodgers may turn elsewhere and let Turner walk but not sure if Bryant is the answer unless the ask is very low from the Cubs.
Chief Two Hands
Bryant isn’t an upgrade over Turner, simply because there isn’t much of a gap in talent, if any at all, and he can’t come close to replacing Turner’s leadership and overall presence in the clubhouse. Turner is one of the most important pieces on the Dodgers. Bryant would just be another player. I highly doubt the Dodgers will pursue him at all, but if they do, it likely would not be to replace Turner.
Agreed, LA doesn’t make sense at all because they can re-sign Turner for less than 19 million. Unless of course Friedman feels advantageous and uses Turner’s “irresponsible” behavior after the World Series as an excuse to cut ties. I’m still waiting on baseball’s backlash for that one.
Chief Two Hands
As soon as that happened I wondered if it would impact the Dodgers re-signing him, but I am counting on it not being enough to impact their decision. It really seemed out of character for him, though. I’m sure I wasn’t alone in being very disappointed in him joining the team after the game, especially without a mask.
According to Spotrac here
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/payroll/ the Dodgers will spent about 175M in 2021 with arb projection Cody get 13M and Corey get 12M.
Im wondering how much the Dodgers are willing to spent next year if they really interested to get Kris Bryant since 175M is already huge and they didnt have good RP corps right now.
2022 however will put Dodgers in good financial stability. They off the hook from 8M Scott Kazmir, 7.5M Yasiel Sierra, 20M Jansen and 8.5M Joe Kelly. Kershaw and Corey is also FA in 2022, so it will be fun actually to see Dodgers movement in FA market after 2021 season finish
I don’t think the Dodgers are a good fit simply because they don’t need added $ OR a roster move. Joc is probably going elsewhere, but they still have Mookie in RF Pollock and Muncy/Edwin Rios to fill CF/LF. The IF they have Cody at 1B, Muncy/Lux at 2B, Seater at SS, Turner @3B. Why would they want to trade for a 1 year rental anywhere? Even at DH, Barnes could C more and Will Smith could DH.
Tim I have always wondered if Bryant would end up at 1st base if he was traded. It seams like the Cubs did not want to do it because they had Rizzo there and did not want to develop Bryant at a position that they already had filled. What do you think about a move to 1st? Bryant hurt his wrist in the outfield last year, so maybe not putting him in the outfield at all would save his body.
I think a move to first, possibly just for a year, is totally viable. I didn’t really see a team that would need to put him there (Mariners for a year?) so I didn’t mention it.
Who is supposed to be the Mariners DH? Couldn’t he reasonably be part of a rotating platoon with those other guys you mentioned so they can have everyone get at bats, but have more semi-rest days as DH?
That’s an excellent point. First base would be the ideal position for Kris Bryant with his height and experienced infield glove, at least as his MLB career winds down. It would also be a position where he might be exposed to less injury, something that has negatively impacted him in regards to the shoulder and back ailments that have impacted his production the last few seasons. Bryant’s athleticism and versatility at 3B, 1B and all three outfield positions at the prime age of 29 during the 2021 season could make his value to other teams more viable than what many commenters are suggesting on this thread.
I also believe that the Cubs game of musical chairs with their hitting coaches during the past 5 seasons hasn’t done Bryant or any of the other young hitters on their team much good.
Have to believe that Theo will just talk again this offseason, not trade anyone.
It takes two to tango….
… and go dumpster diving!!’
The Twins could very well move Rosario this offseason, but it would likely be to make room for Alex Kirilloff. Unless the Twins are leaning toward playing Kirilloff at 1B (unlikely, as that is where Sano plays), I have to imagine opening a spot in the outfield for Kirilloff would be the focus, rather than for a one-year rental.
Don’t sleep on Rooker.
And don’t count on sano
i still think Rosario is a good player, but i wonder more and more about a non-tender on him. i don’t know how much he’d get via trade with the associated FA market being likely depressed.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but his exit velo has been below average for two years. I know there has been some injuries in there but it seems like he’s on the decline at this point.
This is just speculation on my part, but when watching him his game fell apart when he changed his approach, and he seems to be overthinking and really in his own head. Constantly trying to go the other way or trying to do too much. If he simplified his approach and just hit the ball where it was pitched I feel like he’d have more success, but honestly I think his flaws are mental…
I’m not a coach though, and could be 100% wrong, just giving reasoning based on what I’ve seen.
Final edit, I think the Cubs should just hold onto him and approach a trade at the deadline, or bank that he has a good season that warrants a QO. They still need upgrades at 2nd/SP/LF imo, but I don’t think moving Bryant for a less than decent package to save $ is the best approach.
I believe you are absolutely correct on saying one of Bryant’s problem is mental. And it’s not only Bryant. The Cubs have been messing with a number of people, trying to get more ‘lift’ into their swings. The results seem to be a huge increase in strike outs and pull happy swings.
If I was another GM, I’d take a chance on some Cubs, then get their approach back, to what it was, before the Cubs hitting philosophy got into their heads.
Cubs will only get Salary relief, maybe a mid level guy who can help but not much more.
I see him staying with the Cubs OR moved for salary relief to make room in a trade for Arenado.
I don’t think the Cubs could afford Arenado even if they did move Bryant this year.
Salary relief is going to be a big reason as to why the Cubs will let go of Bryant this year (one way or another).
Thinking outside the box, the only Cubs player who would see a good return prospect wise and offer significant payroll relief is Rizzo. If I’m Theo, and I’m not thinking Rizzo is extendable, I would try trading him and targeting Carlos Santana on a one year deal. Then using the payroll saved to attempt to sign Kolton Wong or Tommy LaStella.
I’m not sure however Epstein has the baseballs to move Rizzo when he (Epstein) is set to leave Chicago next season.
how about Contreras? I think he might be NYM’s catching target so they can focus theie capital towards SP and RP in free agency. i know their system isnt too hot but maybe one of their younger SP prospects, Davis/Smith, and maybe a throw in get it done.
I think the price for him would be steep. Bryant, Schwarber are the guys I think they’ll move, but someone would have to overpay for Contreras.
He’s not worth those guys he’s an average 3B at best.
i wasnt talking about Bryant…
He might be average, but he also has the highest WAR in BB for a 3B, from 2015-2019. So getting an average 3B, that is also the best in baseball, might be appealing.
id be curious to see either DET or BAL take a look and then extend him. neither will contend this year but could try and buy low and then see if they can save on an extention that will keep him with the team during their next window. Davis and Miggy contracts may give either pause though.
They’re better off just waiting until next winter and then signing his as a FA. Like what exactly do they expect to happen if they trade for him? Him to just magically fall in love with the place in one year when they aren’t contending and sign there for half of what the market would have offered? How likely really is that?
Bryant $ would replace Ozuna $. Braves have enough prospect capital to do this.
Hopefully they don’t send any real prospect capital.
I’ll assume you’re talking about Bryant as a left fielder. Duvall has had one great month in each of his 2 years with the Braves. I’m not sure that is enough to just hand him the job. Depending on the cost, Bryant would be an upgrade over Duvall for 1 year until Waters is ready.
This is with the assumption that the Braves would take on his salary, and that Waters isn’t ready this season.
On a different Cubs note, gotta give respect to Lester for opening up tabs at three different bars and dropping 47k on beers for the cubbie faithful.
4 Bars! And he left 34% tips (about $14k total,) at all of them to match his uniform number. Cheers, Jon Lester!
Yeah very good idea to promote huge gatherings at a time where COVID is running rapid everywhere. Idiot!
you must be fun at parties. (and are you going to respond with something about parties in this current climate?)
Themed would be first in line if Yadi was buying.
kyleschwarbersmom.. That homer absolutely would be! Ha
Chump change to Lester.
Donate to charity instead of encouraging the spread of the virus!
Buy Thanksgiving turkeys for the homeless shelters.
People are still going out. Might as well make it fun.
I wouldn’t see the Astros as a player for Bryant. They really don’t have anything of interest to the Cubs in their system and it’s unlikely they trade any of their promising young pitching (Javier, Urquidy, Valdez). Also, why would they trade for one year of Bryant, pay him the $20MM or so and play him in the outfield when they can easily re-sign Brantley for 2 years and lower AAV?
I’m not sure super impressive young players are required to trade for Kris Bryant at this point. I wouldn’t count anyone out on account of that, at least.
I’d say the reason to go for Bryant over Brantley is that Bryant is better. But to your point, maybe the difference isn’t enough to motivate the Astros.
Agreed. It is also possible they could sign Brantley and trade for Bryant. It would definitely solve their outfield situation if they don’t re-sign Springer.
The Mets don’t need Bryant but they could make a trade, which includes Davis, for him. Bryant at 3B, push McNeil to 2B with Rosario/Giminez at SS. Conversely, the same logic could be applied to Arenado in CO.
I know they’d have to pay him the arb figure, but if they wait til the deadline they can reassess. If he’s doing well, they can trade him for a better return than now or get serious about a new deal.
I think I’d pass on him if I were most teams. He’s been hurt a bit too much over the past couple of years and he’s going to be expensive. I can’t see a rebuilding team wanting this not a team with a comparable third baseman who’s cheaper. For example, this wouldn’t make sense for the Yankees.
I’m having a hard time picturing anyone doing this deal with the uncertainty of 2021 and his impending free agency.
Brewers could certainly use him but can’t afford him it seems
My Rangers could afford him and have a spot for him… just not good enough for the list I guess
I don’t see any real takers for Bryant unless they get him on the real cheap
I think there could be takers but what can the Cubs get in return. It just takes 2 to tango
Tigers: The Tigers don’t seem close enough to contending to acquire a one-year rental like Bryant. But they could afford him, and primary third baseman Isaac Paredes did not play well this year.
News flash: Isaac Paredes is 21 years old (22 in Feb., 2022) and never played above AA. The AA season ended when he was 20-1/2 years old. This kid is going to be a very good hitter, with excellent plate discipline and good power. The issue is he’s 220 lbs. and looks like a young version of Kung Fu Panda Pablo Sandoval. We can only hope he has that type of career!
MLBTraderumors, you’re just wrong to dump on a 21 year old like he’s a failure and needs to be replaced.
But did he play well or was the statement accurate? Have a seat.
“MLBTraderumors, you’re just wrong to dump on a 21 year old like he’s a failure and needs to be replaced.”
I guess you’ve never been to Florida during Spring Break then?
Much like the Tigers continue to pay Miguel Cabrera bloated salary, the Cubs can just choke on Kris Bryant’s.
Difference is Bryant’s isn’t guaranteed so if he were really a problem (which he isn’t) they could simply non-tender him. Tigers don’t have that option with Miggy.
He’s way too boring to have a chance to play for the National League leading number of World Championships St.Louis Cardinals.
You left the Rangers off. Yes they are shedding payroll, however, Bryant would be an asset that might be to good to pass up. I could see the teams making a trade that would help both.
I mentioned the Rangers. They’re planning to reduce payroll. I don’t see why they’d add an expensive rental player.
Curious for some Cubs fans’ takes, do you want to see Bryant moved? Would Kyle Wright and Tucker Davidson from the Braves be enough?
I am not a Cub fan, however, if I was a Cubs fan I would say that deal is totally worth it for the Cubs 2 young promising controllable starters for a year of Bryant, but if you are the Braves I don’t really see the Braves trading away their 4th starter Kyle Wright and possibly their 5th Starter in Tucker Davidson for a year of Bryant.
Kyle Wright sucks. He’s only hyped because he was a top pick and he went to Vandy.
Kyle Wright hasn’t shown too much in the big leagues as of now but the Braves have a good recent history of developing young starters such as Anderson, Freid, Soroka.
Those pitchers were great in the minors though. Wright has been mediocre since college
And he was also rushed to the bigs
He was promoted for a cup of coffee after 138 MiLB IP in 2018. He was given a few starts in 2019, but needed more time in AAA getting another 112 IP. He was drafted because he was considered the best MLB-ready pitcher (having pitched in the SEC). I’m sure they would have loved to have him start out AAA in 2020, but the pandemic changed that. Despite that, he adjusted and strung together some great starts before 1 terrible IP vs. the best offense in MLB in only his 2nd playoff start (14th pro start). Time to get over his bad start vs. LAD — he shouldn’t have been starting and wouldn’t have been had ATL not gone through biblical injuries to their rotation.
If either Wright or Davidson were traded for Bryant straight up one for one under the current circumstances I’d be disappointed in the Braves. A couple of years ago would had been a drastically different story.
I, too, am anticipating the imminent arrivals of Davidson/Muller. They’d be nice trade capital, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them excel as soon as we traded them.
I’m just not sure Davidson isn’t bound for a ML relief career. His velocity is fantastic, but it doesn’t come easy in the delivery. That also has lead to some walks. He’s a lefty with good velo that can generate grounders though, so he’ll have a role somewhere. I’m also just not sure the Braves aren’t seeing something concerning because he’s always seemingly the last guy to get a chance?
Toronto looks like the best fit, but Bryant hasn’t been all that great the last three seasons. Okay, 3.7 rWAR in 2019 but otherwise not much. Would Toronto give the Cubs anything valuable in return and take on $20 million in payroll? I dunno…
Exactly. If anywhere, it’ll be the Jays.
Blue Jays, Nationals and Jays are the only teams on the list that might make a deal for Bryant.
From the Cubs perspective, Epstein should be expecting with a near ML ready prospect in the 50-100 range and a lesser known prospect.
I think Ross Atkins of the Jays is less interested in Bryant and was more likely referring to Francisco Lindor, who is more likely to be put on the trading block by Cleveland with a similarly huge salary. Lindor is a switch hitter (Jays need more LH hitters)but most importantly is a Gold Glove defender.
I can see the Blue Jays as a potential suitor. Jays have significant IF prospects coming in Jordan Groshans and Austin Martin. Can’t see them committing for the long term but Bryant checks the short term gain box nicely.
Package starting with Groshans or Martin would work well.
Zero and I mean zero chance any package would include either of those guys. They are the 2nd and 3rd ranked prospects in the organization. No team is giving up a top 5 prospect for one year of Bryant.. Cubs would be looking at a guy or guys like Miguel Hiraldo or Otto Lopez .
Yep it is
Here we go again another winter of Kris Bryant every 3 articles. Also another article on what a poor season he had. Good grief people they played 40%. It wasn’t a SEASON. It was like playing opening day until Memorial Day. Stop all the “ rough season” talk. It wasn’t a “ season”.
What matters is whether it hurt his trade value, and it definitely did.
In case anyone is curious, before this down year, Bryant was hoping for F/A and was shooting for a 300M contract. Seriously he was.
I don’t see him moving. He’s too good to give away, but given that he was hurt in 2020, and a little expensive, he represents a lot of risk for the acquiring team. I also don’t see a market for teams that might have to move him to the OF or 1B. His value is gutted once you move him off of 3B.
A couple of others have suggested it, but if I were the Cubs, I’d wait to see where they stand at the trade deadline. At that point, they will know if they are contenders, and his salary cost will only be maybe $7M to the acquiring team.
And, if the Cubs aren’t contenders, and there is no reason to think they won’t be, they can move half the team for a reset..
I agree with this assessment. I think some are over reacting to a bad season despite how peculiar the season was. I would say take the chance of waiting for the deadline because right now I don’t think they will get a trade that will move the needle whether it was for next season or an investment in the future FOUR seasons from now. He is better than the package the Cubs would get now.
The baseball is renowned for overreacting to one season. As a RS fan, when they were discussing potential landing spots for Betts, I thought that two seasons of Bryant were worth slightly less than one season of Betts (the fit notwithstanding). One short, injury-marred season lessens that value, but doesn’t destroy it.
And the Cubs are still the divisional champ. To me, it is all, or nothing at all. If you’re keeping everyone else, it makes no sense to get rid of Bryant. If you’re getting rid of someone like Baez, then it would make sense to get rid of Bryant, et al.
Honestly the Cubs are the best match for Kris Bryant. And coming off a division title and with most if not all of the guys that contributed to said division title still there I don’t see why him being a rental would matter.
The Bryant rumors, IMO, are more based on his salary and the Cubs payroll issues.
I wouldn’t say the Cubs have a ton of holes to fill but they have their fair share, specifically the need for a upper tier third starter, a high contact hitter, an outfielder who can at least platoon against lefties and more bullpen support.
The ballsy move for the Cubs would be to trade Rizzo and sign Santana, saving them roughly 8 million in the process. Then using some prospect capital to after Merrifield who could play second base and LF when facing a southpaw.
If you miss on Merrifield, target LaStella, Wong or Brantley in free agency or Tommy Pham via trade.
Actually, an outside the box idea for the Cubs would be trading Bryant to San Diego for Pham, Weathers and Espinoza
I don’t see why SD would want to take on $20MM AND give away Pham, Weathers and Espinoza for 1 year of Bryant, especially when they might get 2020 vintage Bryant.
And I don’t see why the Cubs would want Tommy Pham to be included in they were to trade Bryant. The point of trading Bryant is to add years of control to the roster and Pham has the same amount of club control remaining as Bryant.
Because Tommy Pham checks a lot of boxes for the Cubs. The Cubs outfield hit under .200 against left handed pitchers and Tommy Pham absolutely mashes lefties (.967 career OPS). Pham generally hits for a high batting average with a good OPS. He strikes out a bit much for a non-traditional power hitter but it’s not off the charts and he has good speed while playing plus defense. He is also due to make 8 million next season which would give the Cubs a net +12 million.
One would not simply trade Bryant for Pham straight up but Pham is a need for the 2021 Cubs if they still hope to compete.
Cubs payroll situation is pretty dire based on their needs, getting plus 12 million would allow the Cubs to sign a guy like Wong or LaStella (both fit the Cubs need for putting bat on ball) and would still give them some extra playroom to address two other big needs (starting pitching and bolstering the bullpen).
The Cubs would kill three birds with one stone IF Espinoza is healthy (coming off Tommy Johns). Pham is a lefty killer we need at a price that is within our budget after moving Bryant and they could add a dynamic bullpen piece. Not to mention adding a good pitching prospect in Weathers that is several years away.
@drasco036 ya know who else checks a lot of boxes for the Cubs? Kris Bryant. Trading him might kill 3 birds with one stone but it would resurrect an even bigger bird.
Bryant doesn’t really check any boxes… in case you haven’t noticed, the offense has been broke for 3 years and the Cubs are up against a wall when it comes to payroll…
For the Cubs to improve, they have to be able to spend money to address their needs… that means you have to trade either Rizzo or Bryant. Rizzo would bring the better of the returns but wouldn’t relieve as much salary.
Am I worried about return on investment or building a winnable team. If the Cubs hang onto KB (or Rizzo) and cannot spend to address their holes, we might as well go into a rebuild/reload model for 2021 because you cannot keep playing with a broken toy and expect it to magically fix itself.
Anyone can argue that the Cubs won the division and that is all well and good but that team was over the luxury tax and was held together with chewing gum. I don’t have a magic ball but dollars to donuts if they played an entire season they would have lost the division because the offense was so stagnant. Maybe Schwarber, Bryant, Baez would have turned things around but it doesn’t change the fact the core players have no produced deep post season runs in three years and they need to change things up. It’s just a fact.
No one wants to see a guy get traded and then blow up the next year, especially if you get a bad return but I’d rather watch that then see the Cubs spit, sputter and miss the playoffs. The have clear cut needs and no money to fix them. Could they purge the farm to add a couple players at a lower cost? Maybe but that isn’t conducive for anything.
The offense has been broken for 3 years but 2020 nonwithstanding, Kris Bryant has been one of the bright spots. Trading him would make the offense worse, not better. And as far as them being up against the wall in terms of payroll, if they trade Bryant his production just has to be replaced, which will cost them a lot more than whatever they are paying him.
If you don’t think the Cubs can contend in 2021 even with Bryant (which is frankly ridiculous, but hey) then fine, trade him. But if that is the case you have to trade Rizzo and Schwarber also. All 3 are rentals.
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I wouldn’t trade even one of those guys (Pham, Weathers, or Espinoza) for Bryant at $19M. Neither would AJ Preller.
The Cubs may take Bryant to arbitration. Then they aren’t committed to paying his resulting salary. If no team bites in a trade after arbitration, they can just release him.
If you react in horror at the thought of the Cubs releasing Bryant, do you think he’s worth $19M+?
As I said in another comment, I’m not putting too much stock into the 2020 season. I have concerns about Bryant but he is much better than his 2020 showing.
Would I spend 19 million? He was a 3.7 WAR player based on baseball reference and a 4.8 WAR based off fangraphs. Do I really think he has forgotten how to hit a baseball? No. I would buy low in a heart beat on Bryant.
As far as your reluctance to not trade Tommy Pham, he is a non-tender candidate next year at 8 million. Again, he is a guy that I believe will bounce back but I’m not sure he is a great fit in San Diego.
As for the trade is concerned, the Padres would trade Espinoza who is basically damaged good but would be of interest to the Cubs. Weathers isn’t in the top 100 and Pham who could be a salary dump candidate anyway.
So, can you add Bryant, who’s averaged a +5 WAR for roughly 11 million dollars otherwise?
Also, do you have any idea how well Bryant hits on the West Coast? In each stadium Petco, Dodgers, Chase, ATT, he has hit over .300 and an OPS of over 1.000. The guy loves playing on the West Coast and AJ Preller would be dumb not to jump on him if that is all it took to land him.
Trading Bryant is a rebuilding move. A rebuilding team ain’t got a need for Tommy Pham the rental. And don’t try it with “They can extend him.” I’m not sure why they would even want to considering he’ll be 33 in March and has a degenerative eye condition.
So if we ignore his most recent season, and look at the numbers when he was good, then he’s valuable!
Wow. What a take
San Diego has $10 million to spend this off-season. Bryant would take up all of that if the Padres get rid of the $8 million from Pham. They will not do that. They have other needs and a closer to re-sign.
Also Weathers added 4 mph to his fastball this year, from 90-93 to 94-97. From a LHP with plus command and mlb bloodlines. He may have been just outside the top 100 last year, but next year he will absolutely be in it. The Padres will not sell him cheap when his value has just jumped.
Not the brightest crayon in the box huh?
I guess guys like Yelich and JD Martinez are not good anymore either. Bet no team would want either one of those two.
Man you’re either dumb or just a troll
We are talking trade value. You really think JD Martinez has the same trade value now as.. 2 years ago? Are you high? JD didn’t even think he could get 4 years in this market he was so bad. But yeah multiple top guys to have a dh who can’t make contact wooo!
You think teams would pay the same price now as what they’d pay after 19 for Yelich?
Player values rise and fall. BASED ON THE GAMES YOU IDIOT. You can’t just ignore stats and then say “well Bryant would have gotten this much 2 years ago so he should be worth it now”
You sound like a homer and an idiot. And you try to insult my intelligence because I understand player values?? Phew you are something
I doubt anyone would trade for Yelich, so they can pay him until year 36.
And JDM is not remotely close. The idiots in the Boston press were saying that we needed to offer him something to ensure he wouldn’t opt out, then suggested he was our best trade chip.
As a RS, I think he’ll revert back, some, but I’d bet real money his OPS is less than .900. Still plenty good, but I can find a lot better options to spend $19M on. And that’s what these discussions should always revolve around.
I really don’t understand the need to point out Boston has Devers at 3rd like hes a gold glove lock to play there the rest of his career. Bryant grading as average is well above Devers ability there, so who cares in that regard. Boston wont get him because they dont “need” him at the moment. They need pitching.
I think the suggestion was that Bryant would replace Benintendi.
B-Strong is making the point that Devers shouldnt be such a lock at 3B since his glove is pretty bad there. Why WOULDNT he be movable for another thirdbasemen? I’m not saying the Red Sox should go after Bryant and neither is B-Strong but that’s a good point.
Exactly my point. I still think they need to transition Devers to first and let Bobby Dalbec take over duties at 3rd unless they get someone else. It just irks me that because Devers currently is playing 3rd and doing so very poorly, they gloss over the fact he could be as easily moved to another position as some of these other players.
Bryant would mash in Fenway but hes not what the org needs right now. Id rather have Schwarber to be honest.
Got it. Thanks. I admit I was unclear on that.
I’d like to see him on padres or Braves. Him at full strength could have been that extra piece to push them over. However I don’t think a trade is likely for cubs as he has underperformed and his value is pretty low as of now.
The Rangers or Mets could use Bryant.
Here’s my prediction. The Cubs don’t do anything regarding Bryant. I realize the article is focusing on Bryant, but I’ll toss in Schwarber, Baez and Contreras as well. None of these players get moved. Theo and Jed, much like the past off season will pick over the leftovers from the buffet table and hope for the best.
I have to disagree only because of the fact that Theo talked after the season about the value of one year deals.There will be very good guys out there who are not even on this list that will be waived or let go that won’t mind a one year deal to reset their market. Especially right now. And he also said what they have isn’t working They’ve got to find a couple of high OBP guys for that lineup. I think at the very least, Schwarber and Almora are gone. IMO.
Highly doubt they trade Baez or Contreras. 1. Baez needs to be extended 2. Contreras is the best catcher in the Baseball. The Cubs catching is just fine where it is. If they trade Baez you might as well have a complete fire sale.
Might need another player added to Bryant for the Jays to make a move like this. They should absolutely look at this. Might need a Contreras added to it, with the Jays dealing a young catcher in-return along with a prospect or two, or a prospect and a reliever.
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White Sox? Right field?
Talk about “rock and a hard place”. Kris Bryant’s trade value has never been lower and he stands to make in the neighborhood of $20MM in his last season of arbitration eligibility in an uncertain financial market with COVID-19 still lurking. The Cubs also have a lame duck PBO in Theo Epstein who will be departing the organization following the 2021 season.
Additionally, I wouldn’t totally discount the White Sox from any potential trade conversations involving Bryant. Despite the fact they have 3B Yoan Moncada locked up through 2025 they still have one glaring hole in their lineup, RF.
This site has the White Sox signing George Springer to fill that need with a 5 year deal at a $25MM AAV. Springer turned 31 this past September while Bryant will be 29 in January. Both possess the type of character the White Sox prefer in the clubhouse with Bryant’s not tainted by a cheating scandal.
The Cubs and White Sox had already hooked up on a major trade as the 2017 summer trade deadline approached when the former were looking to solidify their rotation with a veteran SP while the latter was looking to shed some salary while adding more prospect currency in the midst of a rebuild that began the previous offseason. The tables could be turned this time around with the Cubs looking to shed some salary and the White Sox more inclined to fill a major hole with a productive veteran presence.
Bryant or Springer might not be the optimal fit for the White Sox as right-handed hitters in a batting order more in need of a potent lefty bat but neither are chopped liver when it comes to their splits versus RHP. Each also offer high OBP bats that the White Sox lineup could use more of.
Some might argue that Bryant’s agent Scott Boras would be an impediment to the White Sox making a deal but that thinking went out the door when owner Jerry Reinsdorf authorized the signing of Boras free agent client Dallas Keuchel last offseason. It’s a new era on the southside of Chicago with their 84-year old owner looking for another championship or three before selling the team and riding off into the sunset, along with his ‘younger brother’ Tony La Russa.
I don’t see any parallel to 2017, as the White Sox were fully rebuilding then. The Cubs are not rebuilding now. I’m trying to think of a time the Cubs and Sox made a major trade when both teams were trying to win. Maybe George Bell for Sammy Sosa in 1992?
Plugging Bryant into RF makes enough sense, but I don’t see why the Cubs would send him across town unless the White Sox decided to overpay significantly.
I didn’t say the Cubs were rebuilding in my comment, only that they were looking to shed some salary. That said, many potential packages for Kris Bryant figure to include a combination of young MLB player with control along with a prospect or two. The White Sox could satisfy both of those elements in a potential deal with their city rivals and have more payroll flexibility than most contenders.
I don’t believe the politics of an intra-city trade are nearly as important to the Cubs as an intra-division deal or perhaps even an intra-league one, especially for a player like Bryant who only has one more year of control before hitting free agency next winter. There is also the Theo factor to consider, with him making an attempt to better the outcome in another trade than what occurred the last time. I also believe Rick Hahn and the White Sox would have few reservations about linking up with the Cubs in another trade that could benefit the team going forward.
They’ll never trade him to the White Sox barring an overpay. He already made one trade that will sting for a long time. Too many other potential options.
But this would be the other way around with the Cubs getting prospect(s) and the White Sox getting one guy who is close to FA. In fact, much closer to FA than Quintana was when the Cubs traded for him.
No thank you. Cubs waited too long on Bryant. Too much money for a guy who seems to be injured a lot and hit .206. Could he rebound? Maybe, but how much do we think a team is going to bet on that risk? Oh, and many teams aren’t exactly swimming in cash given the pandemic no fans restrictions. They can try but they won’t get a lot.
Funny but reading all this “Bryant’s no good” lots of teams seem to want him. Cubs will take only a real good package for Bryant. If nothing is there, they hang on to him and hope a huge rebound is in the cards. Then, they move him to a contender for a huge package.
Cubs are probably in the race at the deadline so if he rebounds trading him won’t be an option.
They move him at the trade deadline, regardless of being in the divisional pennant race, because he, more then anyone who could go free agent on that team after ‘21, will never sign with Chicago. They should want more then draft pick compensation. If he is allowed to leave after ‘21 for a draft pick, someone should be corn holed, starting with Epstein. I firmly feel Epstein will get a fair package for Bryant. If Bryant has another bad year, Boros will probably drop him as a client anyway and then I will say, as I have for some time now, should have dumped him years ago. Time will tell.
No they do not trade him if they are in the race.. It doesn’t matter if he will never sign with Chicago. He can’t leave until after the season is over and the Cubs are trying to win NOW. Not later, NOW. A championship plus the draft pick from the QO are easily worth more than anything they would be able to get for 2 months of Bryant next July. It’s the same reason the Dodgers didn’t trade Justin Turner last summer, the Astros didn’t trade George Springer and the Braves didn’t trade Marcell Ozuna.
The big difference is that the Dodgers were legit WS contenders. Same for Cubs? I don’t think so. No way that the Dodgers were going to trade Turner. They may let him walk this offseason though.
In case you haven’t heard. He wants to stay in Chicago. Its not impossible he re-signs with the cubs. More like its improbable. With Scott Boras influencing him doing everything he can to get him to leave.
@mlbdodgerfan2015 so are the Cubs. First in their division in 2020 and aren’t losing anyone important to FA this offseason.
@wrek305 while there is a school of thought that he already has one foot out the door because of them manipulating his service time, I think that if the Cubs offer him the most $, he’ll stay there, regardless of who said or did what to whom. He’s not taking a discount to stay tho.
You might recall the Cubs were the NL Central champs this past season. They did that with minimal contributions from their offense. Kris Bryant, Javier Baez and Anthony Rizzo are all capable and likely to approach their career norms as players still in their prime years. Clearly their chances to contend again in 2021 will be pending front office decisions this offseason.
Great starting pitching and as the season progress, an awesome bullpen. If they can add offensive punch to this lineup and remove what isn’t working, the Cubs will win that division again. Anton with the exception of 2 position players is fair game. I’m even including Contreras, Happ, Hoerner who will come at a higher price. I know, easier said then done. Epstein/Hoyer must do it and be aggressive while doing it. They can’t sit back and waiting for leftover scraps.
They’re in desperate need of a couple of high OBP guys in that lineup.
The Cubs need to add a couple guys that can lefties. They were terrible in that regard last season and really the season before. Happ, Schwarber and Heyward are all basically non-factors against southpaws.
As far as high OBP guys… I think the bigger need is guys who put the ball in play. The anti-money ball philosophy. The need for a Tommy LaStella/Michael Brantley/Dj LeMahieu is glaring. The reason our offense goes inept is because they have high on base percentages (historically) but play station to station and strike out way too often vs. making a productive out.
This is one of the major reasons I want to move on from KB and add Kolton Wong and Tommy Pham. Both those guys killed Chicago as memebers of the Cardinals because they were constantly making producitve outs.
Nationals or Red Sox would be great fits for Bryant
The RS would be a bad fit. They have a 3B that is not moving. They could move Bryant to RF, but he has limited experience in RF and grades out negatively fielding.
Bryant actually is a pretty solid defender in the outfield. He graded out negatively in 2019 in RF but for the most part Bryant is very good. If you ever watch him play the outfield, he makes solid reads, especially given the lack of time he’s spent there.
I personally think the Cubs made a misstep in Bryants rehab by having him play 3rd base in 2019. IMO, he should have went to RF, Heyward to CF and then figured out the 3rd base situation. KB was coming off a shoulder injury and he did a lot more diving at third base on his shoulder than he ever would have in right field.
Ball and socket injuries scare me, teams need to be cautious about bringing a guy back from those types of injuries because baseball puts so much stress on the joint.
The Braves aren’t making this move. Not a criticism for including them because in a vacuum they may need an upgrade at 3B more than any other team. The Braves aren’t taking on an additional near $20 million in salary when it will cost them prospects as well.
I also question if you will see a Donaldson/Ozuna type of deal this year anyway. Oh I won’t be surprised at a 1 year deal somewhere from this offseason but I don’t think you will see one of those higher dollar high risk-high reward contracts that paid off so well this season and last.
The Braves payroll is going to reflect the financial loss just like every other team that behaves like a middle market club. They already turned down the very reasonable option of a very capable relief arm.
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You left my team off, The Reds!
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With their window closing soon due to salary restrictions, could the A’s go all in and get Bryant for a one year rental ?
That would be a great idea. I’d imagine it would probably cost them very little, a combination of Piscotty, Neuse and Holmes probably.
With Bryant in the mix, I could imagine them moving Chapman over to SS and calling up Allen.
Demoting Eduardo Escobar or Benetendi is so unrealistic. These are player who have shown quality performance in the past and are getting paid. Sending them down would kill any trade value.
You think these two still have trade value? LMFAO
Escobar’s a salary dump at this point, and Benentendi’s arguably a non-tender candidate. Good luck trading either of those two.
I laugh when I think two years ago the White Sox were ripped for “settling” for Moncada when they should’ve went after Benentendi. Moncada proved to be the wise choice.
Demoting more in the sense of not having them in a starting role. Mike Hazen already said as much regarding Escobar, and I doubt Benintendi is guaranteed anything.
Hah…. Red Sox might have Devers playing third but no Red Sox fan wants to see him playing third… granted the Sox likely have minimal interest in Bryant at best.
Kris to LA for Chris Taylor and Dustin May.
Who says no?
I imagine the Dodgers say no but if they are offered that they should take it without a moments hesitation.
Cubs would jump all over it and try to flip Taylor but no way would the Dodgers trade May who pitched like a potential staff ace.
I don’t see much of a fit between LA and Chicago, I strongly doubt the Dodgers would give up Gray and as far as a player from the roster, the Cubs need a guy who can hit lefties and/or hit for a high average and get on base. Taylor strikes out too much to be that guy.
There is zero chance on gods green earth you’re getting 5 years of Dustin May PLUS ANOTHER STARTING CALIBER PLAYER
for an overpriced, underperforming Kris Bryant. Friedman may pass out laughing so hard
Taylor alone lapped Bryant in 2020. Plus you get 5 years of 21 year old potential ace? Lmfao I love the “who says no”. Like it’s a question
I don’t think the Dodgers are a good fit simply because they don’t need added $ OR a roster move. Joc is probably going elsewhere, but they still have Mookie in RF Pollock and Muncy/Edwin Rios to fill CF/LF. The IF they have Cody at 1B, Muncy/Lux at 2B, Seater at SS, Turner @3B. Why would they want to trade for a 1 year rental anywhere? Even at DH, Barnes could C more and Will Smith could DH.
No one says “no” but the Dodgers laugh and hang up.
How things can turn around so fast.
This is the year they fought for manipulation and now the side that won don’t want to pay 20m and the looser got to dodge the uncertainty offseason and get a nice pay.
I’m not putting a ton of stock in 2020, a lot of players struggled badly from pitchers to hitters.
With that said though, there was a lot of concerns from opposing GM’s about Bryant after LAST offseason that his swing looked different and his declining defensive skills at third base. This abbreviated season obviously did nothing to silence those opinions.
I’m not sure Bryant is going to be willing to change his swing to adjust to how pitchers are (effectively) pitching him. It was one thing to “have a book” on a guy but not be able to execute the game plan but Bryant has been so willing to expand his strike zone pitchers do not really have to worry about missing their spot.
A few seasons ago, “experts” were suggesting that Bryant needed to adjust his swing… he defiantly added more launch to his swing and said something in regards to that he has been doing it his whole life.
It”s funny…I read where someone above said that Bryant’s best years were behind him.
So let’s see, he is 28 yrs old…and LY he batted .282….OBP .382….SLG .521. All of which are almost exactly hi career avgs….Actually his career SLG is .508. Oh and he hit 31 HR’s. His career yrly career HR totals are 28. Of course that is excluding this year.
He plays 2 positions….
Now if anyone wants to talk about “tailing” off or disappointing year THIS year for guys that have strong established years……..let’s take a look:.
Yelich, Eduardo Escobar, JD Martinez, Schwarber, Encarnacion, Gary Sanchez (yes even him), Gregory Polanco , Eaton …..
A lot of guys had really bad years this year that is why I’m not putting too much stock into it.
In KB’s case, I think a lot had to do with all the distractions in the offseason, the trade talk, the lack of a spring training and the whole service time dispute.
The biggest thing about the Cubs trading Bryant has nothing to do with his success or lack there of in 2020 but the fact they have their hands tied financially in 2021 and have several holes to fill.
Just because others had a bad year, doesn’t mean Bryant’s is any more comforting to an acquiring team
He looked overmatched and from what I’ve seen online, knows he could change his approach and does not. Why do you think teams want him? To hope he’s good?
Damaged goods! Check the medicals before even considering this option
Red Sox are not in. win now mode to sacrifice the future after just reversing the course. A 2013 type win is doable but not this way.
(Couldn’t agree with your screen name more!). Not sure what you mean, but you’re absolutely correct that they can contend next year with a solid set of affordable free agent additions (see my comment below). And the Benintendi of 2018 was a better OFer than Bryant of 2018-2020, so the obvious thing to do is simply try to get him back to that level.
Even though the Dodgers have depth at catching (Ruiz, Smith, Barnes), pitching (Goslin, May, Stripling) and an extra corner infielder (Rios), all which would be available as pieces of a trade for Bryant, they should not consider this deal. They cannot go into a season with Bryant, Seager and Taylor needing multi-year extensions.
They already have big money contracts with Betts, Kershaw, Price, Pollack and Jansen.
Also remember that the following year Bellinger and Muncy will be needing extensions.
There’s a ton wrong with this. Let’s start with Big Money contracts Betts & Kersh sure, but Pollock (36/3), Price is (32/2), Jansen (16/1) don’t truly justify big money un tradeable type contracts that would tie your hands in anyway.
Strip was traded.
Seager & Belli are Boras guys along with Urias meaning they will take it to FA, which the Dodgers have no issues with. The Dodgers have 3 years of control with Bellinger. 2 of Muncy in which all honesty not sure is in line for a substantial extension. The smart money here is to re up Turner especially since he definitely will save you money to fill other needs comparative to Bryant, and allow Hoese to work his way up the ranks. More trust in the developmental team.
Whether or not the Dodgers justify trading for Bryant as a way to clear the sort of upper level logjam has no relevance to needing to resign him. We’ve seen the Dodgers do this before many times, whether we’re discussing Machado or Darvish etc.
Always good to see ur team listed as one of only 2 with absolutely no chance to contend. Go Rangers. SMDH
The dodgers have Edwin Rios, they won’t go for Bryant
Why do people think that the Red Sox won’t be contenders or “all-in” next year? They went 10-3 in games started by pitchers that will be on their 40-man roster this winter (Eovaldi, Houck, Pivetta). They started 12-27 (going 4-2 in Eovaldi’s starts) and then went 12-9 against teams that played .544 ball (including home field advantage), including 6-1 in starts by the trio. I did some deep number crunching and concluded that the played as a 96-98 win team in that final stretch, despite the 14 starts by nobodies.
They’ll be adding Chris Sale and Eduardo Rodriguez to that rotation, and because of the admitted uncertainty of both, very likely two FA starters. And they’re the #3 team in MLB in revenue and are the only team among the top 4 who were not over the tax limit, so they may well be the team most able and willing to spend this winter.
NO way the Tigers will try to contend in 2021. Given that most of their young talent is still in the minors (and did not play this year) the Tigers will punt again in 2021 and sign gap filler FA’s only. NOT trading for a guy like Bryant. Plus, Parades is and was not the primary 3B, Jamier Candelario was. He only moved to 1B due to the injury to CJ Cron. So more likely we’d acquire a 1B than a 3B. But hey, sure, technically the Tigers could afford him and play him at 3B. Odds of that are somewhere between slim and none.
I wouldnt be so sure. Hiring Hinch and watching the development from the young arms say the Tigers might make a move or two for bats.
Not for Bryant, though. Kris Bryant to Detroit makes zero sense. AL Central is vulnerable enough for a team like the Tigers to sneak up. It is still a weak division.
All y’all been crying budget cuts the whole offseason. How do u pay 20 mil for Bryant if everyone is cutting their payroll??
I like him to the Nats if they get ozuna too. Those 2 will sure up lineup.
It’s a deep free agent class. Free up 20 mill and theo can do some damage filling holes through FA
I hope ur saying 202s is a deep FA class this class is worst in a decade plus. they are all over 30. I believe its 32. Avg its ugly and only way for deal is for flame throwers for a top 5 hitting fielding 3B.
I think that if the Phillies lose JT, they would absolutely trade for KB to keep Bryce happy. I can also see the Braves making a move for him since they don’t seem thrilled with Riley.I actually think the team most likely to acquire him is the Angels. Possibly in a bigger deal, where the Cubs move KB, Heyward, and Dervish for Adell, Thaiss, Upton, Patrick Sandoval and maybe another mid-level prospects. Moreno knows Trout needs help and is getting frustrated sucking. Dervish would be tough to part with after the way he looked over the 60 game season, but getting 65M off the payroll and only taking back Upton who makes more than the league min.and adding prospects like Adell, Thaiss, and Sandoval who are league ready would help them now,while giving them the ability to sign a few FA’s and for years to come .
Cubs have 30 million plus off the books. I dont know where u get they need to money off books. when it’s around 35 mil of open space. Mainly 25M off with Lester
At 20m a year KB has little value I’m sorry but that’s the truth. What exactly do you want to give up for a guy that’s been hurt and below average when healthy who’ll eat up 20m of your payroll while most teams are pinching pennies? I’m not saying KB can’t rebound we’ve seen how good he can be it’s just been awhile. How much can you gamble on him staying healthy and returning to his formal self? The Cubs will have to wait until closer to the deadline to make that decision to get anything in return and as a half season rental he’ll need to be fantastic at that.
Bryant’s value is nowhere close to any team giving up a top prospect for him. Bryant’s statistics have been declining since 2016. Most importantly, Bryant can not stay healthy. It seems like that rumor of Bryant rejecting the Cubs’ offer a few years ago is haunting him.
Cubs will be looking for a package deal. Theres no need to replace him at 3rd with Bote. They will be asking for pitching. Obviously relief. So looking at post season TB, NYY, LA or even more Padres who could use a RF with his solid bat in regulation season. This season u cant hold any big bat responsible for a bad year. His numbers and fielding is top 5 ranked at 3B. Or if u play him at RF/LF. Who ever wants the huge upgrade. Will need to give away some flame throwers. Which 2020 has shown all the guys who would of spent in the minors but got the shot in majors. So alot of staffs and pitchers were able to showcase there arsenal. With the worst free agency in a decade out there. With average age of over 30. Its ugly. So any big names will have to come from bench or staffs respectfully.
Why do I even read sites like this? Its filled with stupid comments and “writers” who have no idea what they are talking about. Bryant played poorly this year? How many others did, it was a crazy and ridiculous year. Nothing normal about it at all. The Cubs would have to take what they can get for him? My god man, this site used to be at least decent.
Did he…um…not play poorly this year, then? And you think his trade value is…large?
Well, to put it another way, I am more likely to toss out a bad 2020 than I would’ve been to toss out a bad 2019, had we had this discussion last year.
I would also take into account his age. JDM had a bad season, and at his age, some (not all) of the badness should be attributed to the aging process. Bryant is only 28.306, and his peripherals are still good.
His value has obviously declined, albeit from a very high level, but I think people are way over-weighing his one bad year.
I hope ur saying 202s is a deep FA class this class is worst in a decade plus. they are all over 30. I believe its 32. Avg its ugly and only way for deal is for flame throwers for a top 5 hitting fielding 3B.
Kris Bryant is not blocked from the Twins by Eddie Rosario. Pretty confident Rosario won’t even be Twin.
I agree, he’s not, but trading Rosario with the idea of trading for Bryant isn’t very likely.
What about crosstown to the White Sox? He would be a RF upgrade and a public relations coup for the south siders. Not sure what they might trade, though.
With the chance that Bryant is released on December 2nd his value is very low. The Braves should offer johan camargo, Ender Inciarte and Maybe a low level prospect. Camargo is a good piece that does not cost a lot and looked good in extended playing time.The Braves should pay the million dollar buyout for Inciarte if the cubs did not want to keep him past 2021