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Cardinals Agree To Acquire Nolan Arenado

By Connor Byrne | January 29, 2021 at 10:32pm CDT

10:32pm: Arenado will receive another guaranteed year on his contract for roughly $15MM, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, who adds that he could waive his no-trade clause as early as Saturday.

8:51pm: The Cardinals and Rockies have swung an enormously impactful trade centering on Colorado third baseman Nolan Arenado, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was among those to report. The Rockies will send around $50MM to the Cardinals in the deal, according to Rosenthal, who adds that it likely won’t be official tonight and perhaps won’t go through this weekend.

Arenado has a full no-trade clause, though Rosenthal and Nick Groke of The Athletic reported earlier this week that he is likely to waive it in order to join the Cardinals. The five-time All-Star also has an opt-out clause in the seven-year, $234MM extension he signed with the Rockies before the 2019 campaign. But Arenado would still be able to opt out after 2021, he’d get an additional opt-out after ’22 and he would keep his full no-trade clause, Rosenthal tweets. He still has $199MM left on his pact over the next six years.

This has been a low-profile winter for St. Louis and the rest of its competition in the National League Central competition, but the Cardinals have suddenly come alive after a long slumber. Before agreeing to acquire Arenado, they re-signed right-hander Adam Wainwright, and indications are that they’ll bring back catcher Yadier Molina. Of course, in terms of impact, Wainwright and Molina pale in comparison to Arenado, one of baseball’s highest-profile stars. The well-rounded Arenado, who will turn 30 in April, has batted .293/.349/.541 with 235 home runs in 4,558 plate appearances since he debuted in 2013. Arenado has also totaled a whopping 120 Defensive Runs Saved and a 56.4 Ultimate Zone Rating at third base, where he has won eight straight Gold Gloves.

While Arenado was hugely successful in Colorado, his relationship with the team was – in a word – rocky over the past couple years. The Rockies were a playoff team from 2017-18, but they’ve dropped off drastically since. After the club fell well shy of a playoff spot in 2019, Arenado made it known he was unhappy with the direction of the franchise, saying he felt “disrespected.” Arenado frequented trade rumors then, but the Rockies retained him during what turned into another subpar year for the organization. It was also a disappointing campaign for Arenado, who slashed a career-worst .253/.303/.434 with eight homers in 201 PA.

Even though 2020 didn’t go as planned for Arenado, the Cardinals are clearly banking on him to serve as their long-term solution at third base. The team primarily used Matt Carpenter and Tommy Edman there last season, which was a playoff year. However, Carpenter went through his second straight below-average year, and he’s only signed for one more season. Carpenter is due to earn $18.5MM in 2021, while his $18.5MM option for 2022 is sure to be bought out for $2MM if he’s still with the Cardinals. Meanwhile, the versatile Edman could be the Cardinals’ pick at second base.

The Arenado pickup will obviously be a significant investment for the Cardinals, whose chairman, Bill DeWitt Jr., drew ire last summer for saying baseball’s not a “very profitable industry.”  But the Cardinals suddenly do look as if they’re aiming to take over the NL Central in 2021, especially with none of their other division rivals – the reigning champion Cubs, Reds, Brewers or Pirates – doing much to better themselves this offseason. Certainly, if the Arenado trade is finalized, it will be the biggest acquisition in the division this winter.

The Rockies, on the other hand, looked to be in for a third consecutive lean year in 2021 before trading Arenado, and that’s all the more true with the face of their franchise on his way out the door. They’ll likely acquire lefty Austin Gomber as part of the return, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. Rosenthal names first baseman Luken Baker, outfielder Jhon Torres, and righties Jake Woodford and Angel Rondon as other possible names the Rockies could acquire. Gomber debuted in the majors in 2018 and has posted a respectable 3.72 ERA over 104 innings, though that production obviously falls quite a bit short of the impact Arenado has made.

With Arenado leaving, the question now is whether the Rockies will deal shortstop Trevor Story, who’s entering his platform year. Story would no doubt bring back a sizable return in a trade, as he is among the top players in the game at his position. It would seem to make sense for the Rockies to part with him if they’re not expecting to contend in 2021, but they may be interested in extending him, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com relays.

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  1. Brandon Karam

    4 weeks ago

    WOW, $50 MIL going to St. Louis? Are the Rockies gonna have any money to build a team in the future?

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    • 1bertu

      4 weeks ago

      yeah theyll be very competitive by 2028

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      • Hosmer for HOF

        4 weeks ago

        Lol this poor team might as well do what the Pittsburgh Pirates are doing. Props to the Cards for thinking big

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        • formerdraftpick

          4 weeks ago

          I thought he was going to the Pirates.

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        • jturk

          4 weeks ago

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        • cwalla24

          4 weeks ago

          Yeah did I miss an article that said Neil Huntington is working for the Rockies now?!?

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    • JDGoat

      4 weeks ago

      They better be getting an unreal package back or else this is embarrassing. You’re trading your best player in franchise history, and chipping in 50 million dollars to do so? Bold strategy.

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      • jocpedersonsmom

        4 weeks ago

        Rox won’t be getting much back.

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          For 50 million they better be getting back much.

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          It’s a salary dump on Colorado’s part.

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        • camdog23

          4 weeks ago

          For the money back? Obvious to me that they just paid for better prospects but okay dude

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          Sure is, but no need to eat that much money. They are getting value back.

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        • rct

          4 weeks ago

          They’re sending $50 million (or 1/4 of the $200 million remaining). Not much of a salary dump. They should be getting some decent pieces back.

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        • dbisawesome

          4 weeks ago

          They should have tried to get Gorman smh

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 weeks ago

          It may also include Woodford or Rondon according to Rosenthal.

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          So, in other words, the Cards get Arenado by taking on 3/4 of his salary and sending no top prospects.

          Pretty good for the Cards if Nolan’s bat holds up and he doesn’t opt out. He’ll always field like Brooks Robinson if he doesn’t get injured.

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        • Balk

          4 weeks ago

          I think you’re right. At least one of them

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        • Balk

          4 weeks ago

          Negative jocpedersonsmom…place my bets they grab one of woodford or Rondon for at least some of the 50 mill.

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        • rct

          4 weeks ago

          @jocpedersonsmom: No. The Cardinals are getting a top talent at a 25% discount. That costs prospects. You’re acting as though Arenado isn’t any good.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          4 weeks ago

          …salary dump and yet they’re still paying 50mm? doesn’t quite add up. Cards have to be giving them something.

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          Nolan is great. He’s just paid too much.

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        • Chemo850

          4 weeks ago

          Uhhh you might wanna look up the definition of a salary dump. It usually doesn’t involve you paying 50 million. They’ll get decent players in return here. They wouldn’t have agreed to pay 50 million otherwise. He was a lock to opt out of that contract after this season, hence there wouldn’t have been anything to “dump” since his salary up to his opt out would have been significantly less than the 50 million they just paid out. Whichhhhhhhh tells me Nolan just agreed to waive his opt out option and finish his contract for the Cardinals since the 50 million amount indicates the Cardinals expect to pay him his salary beyond his opt out year. Boom. Mic drop. Get schooled son. I’m here Monday-Friday 8-5 pm EST.

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        • rct

          4 weeks ago

          @jocpedersonsmom: So please explain what you think the Cardinals sent back to acquire Nolan Arenado on what is now (after the $50 million discount) a 6 year, $150 million deal. You don’t think any good pieces are heading to Colorado?

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        • cubfever7

          4 weeks ago

          Arenado can be a bit of a Richard Cranium, they dumped salary and attitude.

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        • SashaBanksFan

          4 weeks ago

          The Poet Laureate?

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          I don’t think top prospects like Carlson, Liberatore, Gorman, Herrera will be involved.

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          Article says Nolan is picking up an additional optout in order to come to STL.

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        • norcalblue

          4 weeks ago

          You don’t get it man. They gave him away and had to pay to do it.

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        • Cap & Crunch

          4 weeks ago

          Salary dump or prospect buy….we shall see

          I think the latter but Ive been wrong before. These are strange times

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        • mac1brad

          4 weeks ago

          Moron. No way he’d opt out of his contract after this season!

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 weeks ago

          Can anyone please tell the Rox that a little team called the Yankees is looking for a SS, preferably for team prospects in the 20-50 range? And, we will accept, meh, 10M along with him. Git R Dun

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        • fox471

          4 weeks ago

          Cubfever- not sure many got the richard cranium reference. You are obviously not from Illinois. Well played.

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        • mattmooney33

          4 weeks ago

          Not sure how Arenando is getting paid too much. The Rockies agreed to the contract and signs the pay checks. You mean the Rockies offered too much?

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        • themed

          4 weeks ago

          Hey mom you changed your name from schwabers mom I seen. Cards just went miles ahead of the cubs didn’t they?

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        • Flyby

          4 weeks ago

          Gleybar for Story and the rox kick in the difference to keep the yanks under the salary cap.

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        • jocpedersonsmom

          4 weeks ago

          Nice pickup for the Cards, but miles ahead? Don’t get cocky, themed. Gotta still play the games.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 weeks ago

          A lock to opt out, huh? Yeah, you’re certainly schooling people. So much stupid….

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        • Chemo850

          4 weeks ago

          After what Rendon got last year you don’t think this guy can pull 150 million in free agency? Hell, Springer just pulled 150 million and he’s half the player. Seems to me sir like you are the M.O.R.O.N

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        • themed

          4 weeks ago

          Should have kept your name mom and changed teams. Your team is falling fast. One and done for another 108 years. Can’t stop laughing.

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        • Gregory McCann

          4 weeks ago

          Um question. After the Yankees signed DJ where does Story fit. Gio Torres DJ Voit. Go Yankees.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          4 weeks ago

          First Stanton. Now more money with Arenado moving. Mid to small size teams need to think twice about long term commitments. If San Diego doesn’t soon win am I the only one who sees them dumping Machado in two years? Philly is large enough to absorb a lot of costs but if DD doesn’t win in his time there, I expect Harper to soon be after Machado. Just my take.

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        • Prospectnvstr

          4 weeks ago

          cubfever7: The Rockies “dumped” $50,000,000.00 IN ADDITION to Arenado. The money is well over what they would be paying him this season. The Rockies will be getting some decent pieces back, not the top guys from the farm system, but decent pieces.

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        • Very Barry

          4 weeks ago

          A salary dump due to a looming opt out date. No other real option left.

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        • cubfever7

          4 weeks ago

          Thanks. Born and raised in Chicago though.

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        • Lol Trumpets mad

          4 weeks ago

          He’ll be a bust outside of coors. My prediction.

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        • Cap & Crunch

          4 weeks ago

          Whoes gonna be the buyers looie?

          Yankees already have Stanton , Dodgers wont want to go that route, and I think the Red Sox are over that route as well. Z in Sf isnt thay type of fellow…..

          Sd will need Sd to pull that trade off….or get trader Jerry on a bender again

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        • realsox

          4 weeks ago

          Chemo850: Better not give up your day job yet, son. As a prognosticator you have a lot to learn. In these uncertain times, the chances of Arenado opting out after this season and turning his back on the remaining $175 million are slim. And if the Cardinals win the division and advance in the playoffs, the chances are slimmer still.

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        • northsidecrossrifles

          4 weeks ago

          @themed how are the cubs falling fast? Losing Darvish hurts, but this time last year his contract was nearly untradeable and he has an extensive injury history. They easily won the central with their 5 best offensive players drastically underperforming and to expect that to happen next year isn’t realistic. Lester, chatwood, and schwarber weren’t difference makers; 2 back back of the rotation/swing man types and a guy who never lived up to the hype. They need another decent starter (preferable 2) on a one year pillow contract, and another solid veteran bullpen arm, and even without that they’ll be competitive in the weak NL central. Pederson is a slight upgrade from Schwarber, and Davies is a serviceable 3/4 starter. Arenado should make STL the clear favorite, but they still aren’t far ahead of cubs, reds, or brewers. You also have to remember Arenado barely has a 780 OPS outside of Coors, so his bat isn’t exactly a sure thing. Another factor down the road is this adds a massive payroll commitment to STL future payroll, which could hinder their aggressiveness in terms of realistic ability to add impact talent in what is going to be a historic 2022 FA class, while Chicago has barely 40 mil in future payroll after 2021. I still like the move for the cards, but I wouldn’t be counting the reds, brewers, or cubs out just yet

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        • kevins

          4 weeks ago

          Rockies won’t do that trade.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          4 weeks ago

          Exactly. They’re not getting any top prospects back. They had to chip in 50 million just to ensure that the Cardinals would take the rest of the contract off their books.

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        • jturk

          4 weeks ago

          Read his home away splits as a hitter. No doubting his elite glove, but he won’t be the same hitter

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          4 weeks ago

          Not really sure he would have gotten as long or huge contract if he played it out. To get one extra year at $15m, CO had to cover $50m of the overall contract. In the COVID world and it’s hopefully soon aftermath, would he really have opted out?

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          4 weeks ago

          Cap, once the pandemic ends and fans return, I believe big market clubs including Boston will become aggressive as they try to regain fannies into seats. Many will jump back but others have been lost and some who may want to, simply can no longer afford to go to games like they did before. Combine that with how the Red Sox bought AO. It will be interesting to see the return going to CO given they had to kick in so much money. I think smaller clubs who don’t draw like Oakland and Tampa will be squeezed big time especially if the next CBA is not as favorable to them. Look already at how they’ve lost valuable players this off season.

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        • StlSwifty

          4 weeks ago

          I looked em up and they make me a little skeptical. Hope he holds up!

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        • letmeclearmythroat74

          4 weeks ago

          Mac1brad … is it necessary to name call? This is a baseball discussion amongst fans… are we on the back of the school bud in 3rd grade? Just because someone doesn’t agree with your take in a subject, you get satisfaction of calling them a name. I think most of the people on here would quickly discredit anything you post … just saying, I wouldn’t type something that you wouldn’t say if the person was right in front of you…. it makes you look completely classless.

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        • Spike 13

          4 weeks ago

          I don’t think anyone opts out of a 199/6 contract given the current financial-health climate. Especially when you tack on 15 extra for your 37 years old season. I could be wrong.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 weeks ago

          150m would be less than what’s remaining on his contract after this year. But please, keep making yourself look stupid.

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        • beerncheese

          4 weeks ago

          @northside you are spot on. Not often I agree with a cubbie fan but NL Central is still wide open even though Cards making strong moves this week.

          Jos signing shows Cubs will compete. Off-season still in progress.

          BTW You will like Davies. Wish brewers still had him. He is a great piece for any rotation.

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        • ChiSox_Fan

          4 weeks ago

          Rockies are getting nada.

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        • SimbaHOF2019

          4 weeks ago

          He was not a lock to opt out because he would not get near the money he already has coming. he probably would lose $50 million! hence the pay down.
          Of course the Cards want to keep him. They’ve wanted him for years..
          Boom.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          4 weeks ago

          @jturk Every single player in the game has better home stats than away stats. It has less to do with where you play than you think. Nolan is going to be just fine in Saint Louos.

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          He is .253 8 hr good

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          It separates cheeseheads from Richard cranium (Dick Heads) the Wisconsin Illinois state line

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          Cubs lineup still seems better to me . Of course trading Bryant or Contreras changes things . If Cubs add Wong even better. Other than goldschmidt dejong(meh) and arenado what do they have ? Bader Molina and two other bum outfielders and second baseman ? Cards will win with pitching if they win division and then swept in playoffs . This may make Cubs decide to trade Bryant and Contreras sooner than later . Trevor Bauer still out there for Cubs ?

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          How many teams would love that 1 World Series . Love the white six enthusiasm but only one team wins each year . Baseball tougher than nba and football just ask buccaneers fans . Only 4 teams have won a real 162 game World Series since Cubs did. Only one wins this year so everyone will be win Cubs watching someone hoist trophy .

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          Ken Rosenthal
          @Ken_Rosenthal
          Names possibly going to Rockies include LHP Austin Gomber, 1B Luken Baker, OF Jhon Torres. Return also might include RHP Jake Woodford or RHP Angel Rondón. Exact package not confirmed. twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/13553459191857438…

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        • Mikel Grady

          4 weeks ago

          Northsidecrossrifles good post , Cub haters if Darvish stayed would be man he played all central teams in 2020 who suck if he pitched against dodgers and braves and Padres he would get shelled . Now Cubs trade him he is the best Pitcher in all of baseball. I think Davies will put up comparable numbers to Darvish and Darvish last year will be a albatross. Getting 17 year olds in trade was for when Cubs will be great again . In line with last couple drafts . If traded for current stud prospects their clock would start before Cubs reload .

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        • Benjamin Young

          4 weeks ago

          Machado has potential for that. I think Harper less-so. The latter is a lot younger and tbh, these guys still have a ton of production in the tank. The market is going through a ton right now but these teams have money to spend on FAs. That goes for San Diego just as well as Colorado really.

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        • Skeptical

          4 weeks ago

          Bull. I was looking at some splits over at fangraphs the other day. Josh Bell’s splits have him significantly better on the road. Ballparks matter. Arenado was significantly better at home than on the road.. Not sure how Busch plays but I can’t imagine it plays as well for batters, especially power, as Coors does.

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        • jbigz12

          3 weeks ago

          You’re taking Josh Bell as one piece of anecdotal evidence. I could list DJ lemahieu aa a guy who hit much better at home in Colorado and left and ended up doing even better.

          Arenado won’t get the Coors boost but almost everyone hits better at home. His splits could easily not be as drastic once he moves to another stadium. We all know the glove plays. We’ll see what level we get w the bat.

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      • drasco036

        4 weeks ago

        It will be interesting to see the return and how the money will be paid to St. Louis. The Cardinals added another opt out clause and another year with 15 million or so in guaranteed money…

        It’s a good move by the Cardinals (which I hate)…

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      • Iago407

        4 weeks ago

        They’re not trading Todd Helton.

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      • paddyo875

        4 weeks ago

        @JDGoat, “ arguably”their best player in history. If Arenado produces with more even splits(at a slightly lower level) on another team, then that claim may hold true.

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      • jimmyz

        4 weeks ago

        Have to think Todd Helton still has something to say about being the franchise icon. Arenado is certainly in that conversation but seems to me there’s a little recency bias baked in there too.

        Signed,
        Not a Rockies fan but a family member of mine is so I follow them a bit

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        • jbigz12

          3 weeks ago

          Todd Helton is the best player in Their history. Recency bias is certainly baked in. Arenado did have a chance to be that guy had he stayed another 5 years and produced. But Todd did it for 16 in Colorado.

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      • Vasool

        4 weeks ago

        They didn’t trade Larry walker…what are you talking about.

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        • stlcards0911

          4 weeks ago

          They did to trade Larry walker? St. Louis 2004 at the deadline

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      • Dock_Elvis

        4 weeks ago

        Best player in franchise history is a bit of a stretch. Larry Walker built a Hall of Fame career there. Todd Helton wasn’t too shabby. I’d add Matt Holliday, Andres Gallaraga, and Troy Tulowitzki in. But Arenado is certainly special.

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      • damascusj

        4 weeks ago

        Best in franchise history?! Not likely. The todd heltons, tulowitzkys, cargos, and Larry walkers of the world would have a few words with you

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    • Francys01

      4 weeks ago

      Great. This is very surprising for me, I didn’t think he was going to be traded. I feel very good having Arenado with the Cardinals. All we need now is Yadi. After that we can sign someone to play second base.

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      • outhaus33

        4 weeks ago

        Thats what Tommy edman is for

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        • Buster79

          4 weeks ago

          I hope they add carpenter to the deal, that’s the only way he’ll stop playing him.

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      • Lanidrac

        4 weeks ago

        Carpenter can also play 2B when needed if he’s not part of the trade and manages any kind of a rebound. The Edman/Carpenter platoon they’ve essentially had the last couple years just shifts from 3B to 2B.

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          Carpenter hasn’t played 2B since 2018 and hasn’t looked good defensively there since 2015. There is no way Carpenter gets meaningful innings there this season. It is Edman’s job to lose right now. Carpenter’s only shot for playing time is at DH potentially or as a lefty replacement for Goldy or Arenado.

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        • Balk

          4 weeks ago

          Steve Nebraska No way in hell carpenter is a lefty replacement for Goldy or arenado! Dude will be playing on off days maybe.

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          That’s what I mean. He is a bench bat to give them a day off ideally versus a RHP. I think you assumed I meant a platoon bat. Absolutely not. He’ll get a start a week unless the DH is in the NL

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        • Benjamin Young

          4 weeks ago

          Aren’t both Edman and Carp lefties? Man I miss baseball haha I couldn’t answer that for myself. How would that platoon work?

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          Edman is a switch hitter

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        • stlcards0911

          4 weeks ago

          I mean if he bounces back and hits 25-30 home runs he will(I know not likely)…. the 4 other infielders… Molina dejong nado and goldy were all gg finalists last year…. If carp hits at all he will play a lot of 2nd

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      • fox471

        4 weeks ago

        Why Yadi? His best years are a few behind him.

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        • Francys01

          4 weeks ago

          Yadi is a leader in the Cardinals organization.

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    • mcmillankmm

      4 weeks ago

      I am assuming that’s over the course of Arenado’s remaining years?

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    • RedbirdJodella

      4 weeks ago

      Scares me to think who we’re giving them for that money!

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    • johnsilver

      4 weeks ago

      Or reasons to watch now.. I can recommend putting a 20YO Warren Zevon song on endless loop tho: “Things to do in Denver when ur dead”. It fits perfectly that Rockie team now.

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    • GoLandCrabs

      4 weeks ago

      This right here is why owners like Munfort should not be allowed to own a team. Arenado is a star and under no circumstance should you be eating 50 million to trade him.

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      • Red_Line_9

        4 weeks ago

        Wont pay to field his own team, but will pay another 50M to field his All Star 3B for them. Baseball has some very serious economic issues to work out..the disconnect is deafening.

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        • Four4fore

          4 weeks ago

          Saved $149 Mil and got back 1 serviceable Major league pitcher (Gomber) probably another prospect pitcher (Rondon/Woodford), Baker has power that could one day play at Coors and Torres who can go get it in CF.
          If they wait they get an opt out or get to pay another $199 mill. Could be a good return in the long term.

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        • bighiggy

          4 weeks ago

          I feel like the Rockies went more quantity over quality like most teams have this off season. But I think gomber, baker, woodford and Torres are good gets. Rondon has a big upside but not sure how his stuff would play in Coors. Gomber and woodford both have groundball tendencies which could be great. Torres has a huge amount of potential and was our only legit outfield prospect after carlson. Baker is just a moonshot hitter who cant run or field, so who knows. But I think the return was good

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 weeks ago

          They’ve been just outside the top 10 in payroll the last couple years, how is that not paying to field a team?

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        • larry48

          4 weeks ago

          Whoever goes to Colorado they will suck for the next decade, maybe not in 2032.

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        • Benjamin Young

          4 weeks ago

          Good post. Torres and Woodford make this a good start from an upside perspective. Monfort and the GM did a well enough job. Absent Carlson, Gorman or Liberatore, these prospects represent the system’s upside.

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      • Hippyripper

        4 weeks ago

        Golandcrabs the Rockies got 50 mil in young controllable pitching in Gomber and Woodford alone both of them are under arbitration control for 5 years.

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        • GoLandCrabs

          4 weeks ago

          Rockies shouldn’t have to buy them…they are giving up Nolan Arenado ffs.

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          4 weeks ago

          Money matters. It’s Nolan and his bad contract.

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      • iverbure

        4 weeks ago

        Just like with the Stanton trade the simpletons don’t understand leverage, NTC and opt outs. Rockies are the clear winner just like the marlins clearly won the Stanton deal.

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        • jbigz12

          4 weeks ago

          The difference is Nolan Arenado is highly productive and a low injury risk. Only a “simpleton” would compare the two. Mega deals typically don’t have surplus value. So the 50 MM kicked in helps the Cardinals in that aspect. A pretty good deal for them here.

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        • Rgrddy

          4 weeks ago

          I like Bart

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        • GoLandCrabs

          4 weeks ago

          Stanton had almost 300 million left on his dead lol. Cardinals just got Arenado below market value. You don’t think he is worth 150 mil??? This must be an owners burner account.

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        • GoLandCrabs

          4 weeks ago

          Deal**

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        • jbigz12

          3 weeks ago

          The risk that Arenado falls off a cliff is obviously there. But it is for any player you sign to a deal like this. Could go bad—that’s the risk you take when you give out 7 figure deals. But they gave up B level prospects and only paid 150 or so million for the 2nd best defensive 3B in the game. Who typically swings it pretty well too.

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    • Hippyripper

      4 weeks ago

      Seems like a pretty good deal for both ends. For many years the Cardinals have been needing to deal from starting pitching to acquire somebody who can hit. Gotta love this. Woodford, and Gomber both can pitch. Rockies will have both of them under team control for half a decade at least? I could have seen both in crowded Cardinals rotation for years. With Arenado sure to Opt out after 2021 if he remained with the Rockies it made sense to get pitching while you still could. Wonder if Arenado stays with the Cardinals long term?

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    • giantsphan12

      4 weeks ago

      Well, I’m a Cards fan, but not one who has complained that Mo and DeWitt were ssoooooo lame this off-season like many on this board. To all of you who have been so bummed about the “do nothing Cardinals” enjoy! Arenado is a huge acquisition for the Red Birds! They just (likely) won the NL Central with this one move!

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    • seamaholic

      4 weeks ago

      It’s not going all at once obviously. And if Arenado opts out next year, the Rockies will be free and clear. To me, the report that Arenado did NOT waive his opt out is the most interesting part of the trade. Watch out St Louis.

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      • iverbure

        4 weeks ago

        Lol he ain’t opting out. Be hilarious though. Opt out and then he can’t find that contract on the free market and all the marks here for Boras complain that baseball is broke.

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        • Mjshof

          4 weeks ago

          Opt out and lose like Realmuto and Sprewell who turned down better deals than they signed

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    • Redstitch108* 2

      4 weeks ago

      Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Angels continue to…………do nothing to bolster their subpar pitching staff.

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      • Tatsumaki

        4 weeks ago

        This just in cardinals are still bad, what rotation relying on the corpse of wainwright and miles mikolas? Outside of arenado (who still needs to disprove coors effect) and goldy that lineup is bad. I expect arenado to opt out after 1 season of getting spanked by Braves, mets, padres and dodgers.

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        • Cardsfanatik redux

          4 weeks ago

          your bitterness is showing. Cardinal’s have pitching…. and plenty of it. their lineup is now one of the best in the N.L. No, I didn’t say THE best, I said ONE of the best. Your life so miserable you have to make things up in chats to troll? Every single team has holes, even those you just mentioned.

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      • iverbure

        4 weeks ago

        And that’s got to do with this deal how?

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    • ctyank7

      4 weeks ago

      The Arenado deal is a sad betrayal of some very loyal fans by an ownership that is incapable of building a winning team.

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    • chippahawk

      4 weeks ago

      Wish my gm made trades like this for icons like Matt Holliday, goldy, and now arenado. What a treat but I guess we get Hardee’s so there’s that.

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      • Xalz

        4 weeks ago

        Braves have made moves for shorter contract impact bats like Josh Donaldson, Ozuna, and… Markakis (eureka). Starting was locked up early in the offseason. They also locked up Albies and Acuna to long term deals and are back in a competitive position putting pennant banners in the rafters. There is plenty of room to play in the market every year the way the Braves are managing.

        I still expected Atlanta to put another big contract or two in the books in the coming years. The team is not just now in 2021 what many of us thought would be its true playoff window either, meaning the last two years has worked out great.

        Once the right deal presents itself, the franchise will make more splashes. Freddie will extend, the DH will likely be in the NL come 2022, and there is a deep Free Agent class next year. Look to more trades and a couple more signings this season with a possibility of a big trade. It’s a great time to be a Brave.I

        Bold move by Saint Louis and others to move on the acquisition market, while society at large adapts to a changing economic settings. Arenado definitely improves their outlook.

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    • Rgrddy

      4 weeks ago

      Best article yet.480 comments-

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    • Rgrddy

      4 weeks ago

      Most commenters

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  2. southsidebatman

    4 weeks ago

    Holy guacamole’

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  3. Dotnet22

    4 weeks ago

    Awesome awesome awesome

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  4. Oddvark

    4 weeks ago

    wowza

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  5. min19

    4 weeks ago

    Go big or go home!

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  6. ron swanson

    4 weeks ago

    Waste of money. They will regret this. He’s barely above league average outside of Coors.

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    • Brewer88

      4 weeks ago

      You can’t win the GG every year by only being average on the road.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        4 weeks ago

        Isn’t that what the platinum gloves are for? The “only gold glove at home” guys?

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      • MrMet1979 2

        4 weeks ago

        I believe he’s talking about Arenado’s splits outside of Coors Field.

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        • cards81

          4 weeks ago

          People always talk about the split…I will simply say look at Matt Holiday…and people quiet down

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      • ron swanson

        4 weeks ago

        Clearly meaning offensively, the Coors Field effect.

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        • fox471

          4 weeks ago

          Check out Larry Walker’s road record. Enough with the splits.

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        • Jeff Zanghi

          4 weeks ago

          I feel like steroids also played a role in Larry Walkers numbers… so yeah he had his best years at Coors… I don’t think he can be used as a comp to players today because he pretty obviously was juiced up once he got to Col

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        • AVinny GarSac

          4 weeks ago

          Did YOU check out Walker’s splits?

          1995: 80 points higher in BA, 40 points higher OBP, double HR at home
          1996: 250 points higher BA, 230 points higher OBP, double HR at home
          1997: 40 points higher BA, 20 points higher OBP, 9 fewer HR at home
          1998: 110 points higher BA, 80 points higher OBP, triple the HR at home
          1999: 180 points higher BA, 150 points higher OBP, double the HR at home
          2000: 100 points higher BA, 75 points higher OBP, double the HR at home
          2001: 110 points higher BA, 70 points higher OBP, 2 more HR at home
          2002: 50 points higher BA, 70 points higher OBP, double HR at home

          Literally the only season Walker had in Colorado where his road stats were remotely close to his home stats was 1997. It’s also the only year where his road stats reflected that of an All Star, let alone a HoFer. Awful funny that Walker was never thought to have such potential through age 28 with the Expos… but turned into a hitting god in that thin air. Without Coors Field, Larry Walker has to buy a ticket to get into Cooperstown just like the rest of us.

          Now go check the splits of Helton, Bichette, Castilla, Tulo, CarGo. There’s a reason all but Helton performed far worse when not wearing a Rockies uniform. The only reason Helton didn’t is because he was too intelligent to leave. In fact, the only player to leave Colorado and not have a significant reduction in offensive production has been LeMahieu. Even Holliday fell from being the next Larry Walker to a mere Magglio Ordonez with less power.

          Every single former Rockie not named LeMahieu, performed equal to OR BELOW his road stats after leaving Colorado. Why should we expect Arenado to be any different? He doesn’t have the same set of tools, ability, and approach that DJL does, As such, he doesn’t have the same likelihood of holding up.

          Nolan should still fair well, but the odds are against him hitting at an All Star level outside of Colorado.

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        • jlmini10

          4 weeks ago

          It’s true that almost every player for the Rockies has severe home/road splits. This is due to the fact that breaking balls break less and balls fly further in Colorado than in any other park. Colorado players play half their games there, and it is hard to adjust to the differences in pitch movement on the road, less balls fall in for hits (smaller fields than the massive Coors), and less homeruns are hit due to the ball not flying out as easy.

          While I wouldn’t expect Arenado to achieve his same stat line in STL, I would expect his WRC+ to be similar due to this stat being adjusted for park factors. When players move from Colorado elsewhere, they aren’t subjected to these extreme park effects half the time, and their splits become much less pronounced.

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        • Ryan Wheeler

          4 weeks ago

          Andres Gallaraga

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        • larry48

          4 weeks ago

          With no one to protect Arenado, he may hit with bases empty, but he will walk if the batter behind him sucks. Arenado will get irritated and start chasing pitches and the average goes down.

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        • justkidding

          4 weeks ago

          You could argue that Yankee stadium is as much a hitters paradise as Coors field when looking at DJL’s stats.

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    • crumpy24

      4 weeks ago

      What about DJ Lemahieu?

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      • Yankee Clipper

        4 weeks ago

        Same, he sucks outside Coors also… don’t you watch baseball?!

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        • crumpy24

          4 weeks ago

          That’s what I mean. Players sometimes become better once they leave Coors

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          Name 3 besides DJL.

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        • jk

          4 weeks ago

          holliday
          pierre
          fowler

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        • crumpy24

          4 weeks ago

          I probably shouldn’t have said much better but Dexter Fowler, Matt Holliday, and Andres Galarraga are examples are 3 players that I can name off the top of my head that did just fine after they left the Rockies

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        • cards81

          4 weeks ago

          Matt holiday and DJ are all that is needed…that’s all I heard when the cardinals signed Holiday….the splits blah blah…Holiday is one of the best hitters to put on the cardinals uniform and that says a lot

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        • Joe Carters walkoff

          4 weeks ago

          Well Larry Walker was equally good everywhere he played. Numbers similar to expos. Just off top of my head. Not a rockies guy though

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        • stan lee the manly

          4 weeks ago

          Matt Holliday, Larry Walker, Corey Dickerson. Walker is more of a “continued to mash” rather than got better, but these three all hit the crap out of the ball after leaving Colorado.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          All three of those players had their best years in Colorado. They were good when they left but not nearly as good. Big Cat hit .370 one year at Coors Field. Fowler has been an average player his whole career. His strength is getting on base and scoring runs. Holliday was a solid player after he left put up solid numbers in STL

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          No he wasn’t as good. Larry Walker never came close to hitting .370 with 49HRS and 130 RBI in an Expos uniform. That’s a fail bro.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          All their best years were in Colorado. You need to look up Walker’s numbers before you post bro

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          Not seeing anyone being better listed. Maybe slightly with cherry picking the young player and late bloomer. Mostly not as good. Some close to being the same. I don’t hate Nolan. Just coors is best case scenario. Batting average is likely to go down. Fans look at the players leaving. Baseball people look at visiting players. Research whoever you want. Buster Cody Goldy… Players hit better at coors. Doesn’t mean coors players can’t hit elsewhere. To expect to be better outside of coors is too much to ask.

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        • fox471

          4 weeks ago

          Right about Walker.

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        • tad2b13

          4 weeks ago

          Andres Gallaraga – 126 OPS+ in Col., 141 OPS+ in Atl.
          Ellis Burks – 128 OPS+ in Col., 151 OPS+ in SF
          Matt Holiday – 131 OPS+ in Col., 138 OPS+ in StL.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          Ellis Burks had a year in Colorado when he hit .344 40 HRS 120RBIs 40 2Bs and 142 runs scored. Just saying.

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        • tad2b13

          4 weeks ago

          MrMet:

          Do you not understand OPS+? That year in Col., 1996, he had an OPS+ of 149.

          In 2000, he hit .344/.409/.606 with 31 HRs in SF for an OPS+ of 163.

          Plus, that RBI stat is not a reliable. It depended too much on players getting on base in front of Burks.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          Also I don’t know if its fair to compare The Big Cat two years in Atlanta to five HOF level seasons in Colorado. But I understand your point he and Burks were still hitting a high level on other teams although their best years were still in Colorado.

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        • seamaholic

          4 weeks ago

          Give me a list of players who declined (park adjusted) after leaving Coors. The only one I can think of is Tulowitski, and he started sucking before the Rockies traded him.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          Vinny Castilla, Brad Hawpe and Garrett Atkins comes to mind off the top of my head. A lot of their sluggers usually finish their careers in Colorado or play there well into their 30s.

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        • AVinny GarSac

          4 weeks ago

          @JK Wrong, wrong… and wrong.

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      • mydadleftme

        4 weeks ago

        You mean the guy who went to the other little league park and still has some pretty drastic splits?

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      • vtncsc

        4 weeks ago

        To be fair, DJ has some pretty skewed stats (power wise) at home vs away in 2020 and 2019.

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        • Dodgerbleu

          4 weeks ago

          This. I think NY is much worse. Forget DJLM, Aaron Judge has the worst home/road splits I’ve ever seen. 3x to 4x more dramatic than Arenado. No one says he sucks.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 weeks ago

          They’re getting an extra year as well. That’s only because he injures himself every time he plays on the road.

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        • ctyank7

          4 weeks ago

          Judge is injury prone and thus, unreliable.

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      • larry48

        4 weeks ago

        Lemahieu was pitched to because of the Yankees line up, go look who batted after Lemahieu.

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 weeks ago

      Limited sample but he always did good at Busch. If he puts up 950 ops then the coors theory is done. I think he will be 850.

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      • Brewer88

        4 weeks ago

        Trying to distinguish the between Busch and Coors is frankly a watered down conversation when you could just be drinking’ a quality microbrew.

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    • Lanidrac

      4 weeks ago

      Arenado is a career .263/.322/.471 hitter outside of Coors Field. That is quite a bit worse than his career averages but still significantly above league average. Besides, those numbers will likely go up once he adjusts to playing almost all his games away from Coors.

      Besides, that’s not even considering his great defense.

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      • Ma4170

        4 weeks ago

        And those numbers count his first couple of years as a young guy acclimating to MLB… his road splits 2017-20 are much better.. I believe 846 ops and a 36hr 103rbi 162 game average… but people love to look at the full career to make a point.. if his shoulder is healthy, he’s a beast, and may be the best defender in the game.. mad my Mets didn’t get him

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          I’m not. Arenado might’ve flopped in NY. No media pressure in Denver

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          Players do not care about “media pressure”. This is a dumb myth New Yorkers invented to make themselves feel more important than they are.

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          Then why do All Stars have great careers in small markets and then come to NY and flop. It’s a totally different environment bro especially when it comes to baseball. Have you ever heard of Jason Bay, Jeff Kent, Jack McDowell, Kenny Rogers, Terry Muholland, Carlos Baerga, Randy Johnson, Sonny Gray, Jacoby Ellsbury,Edwin Diaz, Roberto Alomar. It’s a little more than a myth I’m afraid.

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          So older players go to New York and aren’t as good as when they were younger? I’m shocked! SHOCKED!

          Also Edwin Diaz was great last year, what are you talking about?

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        • MrMet1979 2

          4 weeks ago

          Diaz was great in 2020 after they took his ass out of the closers role. He’s been garbage as a Met he and Familla kept them out the postseaon in 2019.

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        • Stormie

          4 weeks ago

          Every team has made trades where the players they got weren’t as good anymore, you act like that’s some sort of unique phenomenon that only NY teams have to deal with.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          4 weeks ago

          It’s mostly just a myth. Arenado will be fine wherever he plays.

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      • MrMet1979 2

        4 weeks ago

        A .799 OPS is significantly above average? Wtf? But yes the platinum glove at 3B is awfully tempting

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          That isn’t significantly above average. MLB average is around .780. He has a career 108 wRC+ on the road, that means his is 8% above average. His career wRC+ is 128, I think. So he is only 80% the player on the road as he is at home.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      4 weeks ago

      One can get too caught up in numbers as well. I look at it this way, great players (Arenado, Holliday, DJL, etc) are simply that. We can try to say it’s small stadium, Coors stadium, or whatever other factor we believe plays into their hitting. But, it’s simply great hitting, otherwise many other players would mirror their numbers, and they cannot do it.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        4 weeks ago

        It’s almost as though MOST players have better home numbers than road numbers.

        Mike Trout
        Home: .284/.450/.656
        Road: .298/.428/.635

        Mookie Betts
        Home: .314/.408/.977
        Road: .275/.373/.853

        Freddie Freeman
        Home: .276/.368/.552
        Road: .313/.419/.547

        Francisco Lindor
        Home: .289/.349/.513
        Road: .280/.322/.523

        Cody Bellinger
        Home: .304/.402/.650
        Road: .306/.410/.608

        Christian Yelich
        Home: .347/.451/.750
        Road: .312/.409/.597

        Anthony Rizzo
        Home: .354/.459/.571
        Road: .233/.351/.469

        Xander Bogaerts
        Home: .337/.409/.592
        Road: .282/.359/.518

        These are 2019 numbers for these players. There are exceptions but generally speaking, players are better at home than on the road. Colorado is certainly going to lead to larger home road splits than other parks I imagine but we make to much out of it.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          4 weeks ago

          Whoa! Rizzo is huge!

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        • Steve Nebraska

          4 weeks ago

          Keep in mind this is just one season. Takes about 3 to see any statistic trend

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          4 weeks ago

          It IS multiple data points, though, so you can develop a hypothesis. If you feel my examples are misleading than please feel free to post opposing evidence to the contrary. Not intending to be snarky with that last comment.

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          If you don’t cherry pick stats most players splits are fairly close. If you play at home in Colorado Boston Milwaukee etc you will usually see a big difference. Works the other way as well though not as drastically. But look at Yelich splits from Miami, much better road splits. A short porch in ny will boost your hr numbers. The green monster in Boston is great for your batting average and doubles.

          Your numbers at home should be better. Usually are. Some ball parks just really inflate numbers for most players. A coors hr is legit. Its the giant outfield that boost batting averages and triples. Nolan could hit 30 40 hrs anywhere.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          4 weeks ago

          @YourDreamGM. What you call cherry picking I call examples for my argument. What are you even disagreeing with when you say yourself “Your numbers at home should be better. Usually are.”? Especially when I am not arguing about differences but rather degrees. But hey, if you would like to demonstrate statistically that I’m wrong, I welcome it.

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          Trout Lindor Bellinger are fine examples. Rest of your examples are cherry picked or simply not the best examples to use. Why not look at freeman’s entire career? What not bryant or baez instead of rizzo? Yelich hit better on the road. Brewers seen this and how his swing fits perfect for their park and acquired him. How about devers a left handed hitter in Boston instead of two righties. Let’s wait and see mookies splits in 2021 2022, might be closer not bashing balls off the green monster. Not that his are as far apart as bogarts. Just saying some of your choices are obvious to why their home numbers are better.

          But yes players generally should be better at home. If it’s possible you try to draft and certainly sign free agents whose game fits your ball park and division. There are mysteries though like rizzo. My wild guess is he doesn’t sleep well on the road. Stanton, maybe just a fluke or less pressure on the road. Judge, I can’t even take a wild guess. I know with bogarts though it’s the giant wall in left field.

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        • EamusCatuli!

          4 weeks ago

          Undoubtedly players overall hit better at home than they do on the road. They have their routines, familiar surroundings, equipment, the crowd, etc. Coors, however, is the only ballpark in MLB in which visitor OPS increases.

          Compare Arenado’s home v road splits for his career:
          HOME: .322/.376/.609
          AWAY: .263/.322/.471

          That’s not one season of cherry-picked numbers, it’s his career – 4555 PAs.

          He is a talented player, a great defender. He will likely put up solid, acceptable offensive numbers, but his slash line is going to take a dive. I would project him at .270 with 25 HR and 90 RBI and a GG. He may outperform that.

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  7. jawinks

    4 weeks ago

    Prospects going back don’t matter, Rox won’t start them anyway

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    • Dodgerbleu

      4 weeks ago

      They will if they’re 30 and not very good defensively

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      4 weeks ago

      Which all-star and MVP caliber players can you think of that WEREN’T prospects?

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      • tad2b13

        4 weeks ago

        SalaryCapMyth:

        Actually, there’s a rather lengthy list of guys that made the AS team that were never a top 100 prospect. Well maybe rather lengthy is an exaggeration, but there are a number of them.

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        • tad2b13

          4 weeks ago

          JD Martinez
          Jose Ramirez
          DJ LeMahieu
          Josh Donaldson
          Jacob deGrom
          Kyle Hendricks
          Paul Goldschmidt
          Justin Turner
          Luis Castillo
          Brandon Crawford.

          To name a few. Not sure all were ever on an All-star team though.

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        • fstop13

          4 weeks ago

          Pujols

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          4 weeks ago

          You misunderstood what I said. The point I was making was that ALL all-star and MVP caliber players were at some point prospects and had nothing to do with a top 100 prospect list. I never said anything about top prospects.

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  8. mydadleftme

    4 weeks ago

    Well damn

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  9. Oddvark

    4 weeks ago

    Cardinals obviously scared after the Cubs picked up Pederson. Had to make a move.

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    • TheRickestRick

      4 weeks ago

      Ha
      So true!

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    • 3Rivers

      4 weeks ago

      No way that had anything to do with this signing smh

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      • degeneration nation

        4 weeks ago

        Well it sure as hell wasn’t because of any moves the Pirates made!

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      • eddiemathews

        4 weeks ago

        Duck! Something’s going right over your head!

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    • cards04

      4 weeks ago

      Oh yeah so scared of a career .230 hitter and .190 last year

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  10. wesstl

    4 weeks ago

    Surprise. Someone in the Central is trying win.

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  11. Megatron2005

    4 weeks ago

    Please tell me the Rockies at least took away their pitching prospects

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    • Steve Nebraska

      4 weeks ago

      For $50mil I’d bet Gorman and Liberatore could be involved. At least one of them should be in the return

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      • cards81

        4 weeks ago

        Definitely not both

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  12. kylegocougs

    4 weeks ago

    Whoa, surprising. Wonder what will happen with the opt out? Does he waive it? Are there PTBNL based on if he stays or opts out?

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    • MikeGrr19

      4 weeks ago

      SOL

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    • baseballpun

      4 weeks ago

      If the Rox are sending $50 million he must’ve waived the opt-out.

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        The cards won’t get the 50 million if he opts out. It will be spread throughout the length of the contract. So he may or may not have edited the contract.

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        • FSF

          4 weeks ago

          Even if he plays well, he’ll probably opt in just to spite the Rockies and leave them on the hook for 50 sticks..

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        • cards04

          4 weeks ago

          Well he’s already getting paid 38 million or something like that so how much better could it get?

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  13. Greenmamba559

    4 weeks ago

    Whoa! It actually got done.

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  14. davemlaw

    4 weeks ago

    I know the Rockies didn’t want to deal within their division but Arenado would have been great in SF. Move Longoria, some prospects and have the Rox send cash the last 2 years of Arenados contract. Done.
    And I’m sure Nolan would have preferred California to Missouri.

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    • SFGiantsFan09

      4 weeks ago

      As much as I would like to agree, no he doesn’t fit. In order to acquire him it would be a lot of money and I don’t even think Longo’s horrendous contract would cover it. They would have to definitely pay off part of the contract. I feel like we would have to give too much in terms of prospects and we would regret it in the future

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      • atuck_sfg

        4 weeks ago

        The Giants can clear $95.4 million off the books after this season, the payroll will not be an issue, but yes to keep him in the division would have cost the Giants a lot of prospects. I am glad to see him out of the division though, pretty sure every top defensive highlight he’s ever had was against the Giants haha

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    • Sadler

      4 weeks ago

      Arenado has hit .291/.354/.556 with 31 homers and 104 RBI in 132 games against the Giants. And that doesn’t cover the vacuum he has on his glove hand.

      The Giants probably win 2 more games next season with him leaving the division.

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    • stan lee the manly

      4 weeks ago

      “And I’m sure Nolan would have preferred California to Missouri.”

      If this were true, Arenado would be heading to the west coast, he didn’t waive his no trade clause to go somewhere he doesn’t want to be lolol

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    • Lanidrac

      4 weeks ago

      I’m sure Nolan cares more about winning, and the Giants are years away from that at this point.

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    • Anthony Princeton

      4 weeks ago

      California’s top state income tax rate is 13.3%, while the highest state income tax rate in Missouri is 5.4%. Not only does Arenado get a legit shot at winning a division, he gets to pocket a few mil extra dollars playing for the Cards.

      SF is a disgusting open sewer anyway. So is LA where I have family. California has really declined in the last decade.

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  15. jkinser20

    4 weeks ago

    LETS GOOO

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  16. joeyrocafella

    4 weeks ago

    Wow good move… Him and Goldy are a great 3-4

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    • larry48

      4 weeks ago

      But that all no offense outside of the Arenado and goldy

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  17. cubfever7

    4 weeks ago

    I think he’ll be well above league average for the Cards. But Busch tends to favor pitchers. Don’t think you’ll see 40 HRs again. But great move. Worries me as a Cub fan.

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    • baseballpun

      4 weeks ago

      Busch is pretty neutral. Nolan won’t have Coors anymore, but he won’t have most of his road games in those big NL West parks, either.

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        He hit well everywhere but LA.

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        • larry48

          4 weeks ago

          La pitching, defense, and large park have a lot to do with his average, There are a lot of players that don’t hit very well in La stadium.

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      • Dotnet22

        4 weeks ago

        Exactly, Cincy, Wrigley, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh aren’t exactly pitchers parks.

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        • AVinny GarSac

          4 weeks ago

          That’s why Arenado has sub .250 BA and sub .300 OBP in both Wrigley and PNC, right?

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    • brockswipessecond

      4 weeks ago

      He’ll be playing plenty of games in Wrigley, Miller Park, and Cincy. Plenty of home runs to be had.

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      • revolver

        4 weeks ago

        Wrigley doesn’t belong with those other 2 stadiums. It is historically neutral.

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  18. MetsFan22

    4 weeks ago

    Do the cards think they are contenders? Ignore the Mets for a second this isn’t about them. But this doesn’t even put them close or dodgers or Braves.even Padres are still better.

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    • fannclub6

      4 weeks ago

      All they have to do is be better than CIN, PIT, CHI and MIL. After that, it’s a crap shoot

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      • MetsFan22

        4 weeks ago

        You’re completely right. I take it back. Playoffs is great bc anyone could win.

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      • vtncsc

        4 weeks ago

        Especially when you have 200′ infield fly’s working in your favor…

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        • fannclub6

          4 weeks ago

          Ah. A bitter Braves fan as entered the convo

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        • larry48

          4 weeks ago

          Braves lost because they don’t run base well and their defense sucks. They got beat by a better team, and the Braves won the division because everyone else sucked.

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    • C-Daddy

      4 weeks ago

      Make the playoffs and anything can happen (the 2006 Cardinals are a great example). The Central is ripe for the taking.

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      • MetsFan22

        4 weeks ago

        True. I changed my mind.

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    • bighiggy

      4 weeks ago

      Doesnt put them close to those teams on paper. Long season. Injuries happen, players slump. Being good on paper doesnt usually win the world series. Just have to make the playoffs and be hot.

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      • MetsFan22

        4 weeks ago

        You’re completely right.

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    • AndyMeyer

      4 weeks ago

      They’re better than the Mets :-D

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      • MetsFan22

        4 weeks ago

        I wouldn’t say that. (On paper) But they’ll probably make the playoffs.

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    • baseballpun

      4 weeks ago

      You’re an idiot.

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  19. kreckert

    4 weeks ago

    Wow. Guess somebody in the Cards’ front office saw all the comments about them being dormant this off season and decided they needed to get some stuff done. Or maybe they were just patient and doing a really good job. Never doubt that this is the best run franchise in the sport.

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    • SFGiantsFan09

      4 weeks ago

      I doubt

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 weeks ago

      Yet they missed all the comments about not wanting this below 800 ops over rated coors product.

      Of course now the cards fans will be thrilled and tell us how they locked up the central and are serious contenders and Nolan is now great with 200 higher ops.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        4 weeks ago

        He’s a great player in any park. Deal with it.

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        • YourDreamGM

          4 weeks ago

          No way man. He is trash. Only good in Colorado. Everywhere else he stinks.

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  20. MrSharx

    4 weeks ago

    Who did we lose,I wonder

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  21. arthur blank_for owner

    4 weeks ago

    Good job AA! Killing in it!…Go Braves!

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  22. ghostoforsillo

    4 weeks ago

    That’s a lot of cash to change hands. The union is okay with that? Rockies are so smrt.

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  23. GriffeyJrFan

    4 weeks ago

    As long as Black is managing the Rockies it won’t matter if they send the best prospects to the Rockies. Bud Black will run Ian Desmond and resign Cargo.

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    • gbs42

      4 weeks ago

      Managers don’t sign players.

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  24. PoloGrounds62

    4 weeks ago

    Cards just won the Central

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    • DrDan75

      4 weeks ago

      Particularly if the Brewers follow up by trading Hader.

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  25. MikeGrr19

    4 weeks ago

    I wonder if Gorman is going back to COL
    $50 mil sounds like enough for a top guy

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  26. Rangers29

    4 weeks ago

    It doesn’t look like the Cards gave up anything either… such a great move by the Cards as it stands…

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    • iverbure

      4 weeks ago

      That’s what people said when Yankees acquired Stanton. When a mid market franchise gets rid of nearly 200 million in salary they win the deal regardless of return, every. Single. Time. Money is king

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  27. RunDMC

    4 weeks ago

    Good for STL. They found a way.

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    • doxiedevil

      4 weeks ago

      Braves should go get Charlie Blackman !

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      • RunDMC

        4 weeks ago

        Story. He’s a free agent at the end of the year, but is a much better player than Blackmon. I’d rather trade for Story and possibly sign Ozuna.

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        • steelerbravenation

          4 weeks ago

          You really think AA would get both ???
          Come on you know better than that
          Now the Cards passes us up too
          What a shame we were right there

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        • RunDMC

          4 weeks ago

          They’re not in the same division, so they can’t pass us. Story, not Blackmon, should be the target, imho. Everything will be alright.

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        • iverbure

          4 weeks ago

          What’s your problem? As it stands right now the braves are the clear winners of the offseason. They’ve avoided all the landmines of the offseason. Landmines are muti year contracts. Those are always bad, way too much risk. Fans don’t even know how to cheer for their favourite team anymore. They suggest moves that are actually bad for the team and make it harder to win, it’s very odd.

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      • larry48

        4 weeks ago

        Why Charlie Blackman sucks defensively, offensively, salary, and his age.

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  28. Bart

    4 weeks ago

    It will be unpopular for a couple of years but its probably a smart move. Get a bunch of prospects and get out from under that contract. They can now resign Story. Five years from now I think this will be seen as a great move by the Rocks.

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 weeks ago

      They’d be better of trading him too. Signing him puts them right back in the position they’re in now.

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    • Dodger Dog

      4 weeks ago

      I’m pretty sure this means that they will not be signing Story, but for fans sake I hope I’m wrong.

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    • larry48

      4 weeks ago

      Do you think Story will resign in Colorado who is going to rebuild and won’t be a contender for the next decade?

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  29. dbisawesome

    4 weeks ago

    Arenado for a bag of peanuts

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  30. loyalmarlinsfansince1993

    4 weeks ago

    A sad day for baseball!

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    • nmahan1984

      4 weeks ago

      Why exactly?

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    • dirkg

      4 weeks ago

      Just the opposite actually

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  31. cobbalicious

    4 weeks ago

    And no Gorman, liberatore, or Carlson in the deal. Thank god.

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  32. californiaangels

    4 weeks ago

    wow. so German Marquez to the Angels seems possible now. Story could be next as well….

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  33. Jmayo75

    4 weeks ago

    I’m not sure I’d be confident to say the Cardinals are contenders. I find more talent on the Rockies team with Blackmon, Story, Marquez, McMahon, etc. Arenado must have just been really pissed at the Colorado heads.

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    • bighiggy

      4 weeks ago

      The cards made the playoffs last year, and do almost every year. So I would say they are contenders. You think those players you mentioned are better than the cards talent. I think stats say otherwise

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      • Jmayo75

        4 weeks ago

        They do somehow always find a way, lol. I hope he does succeed and prove he doesn’t need Colorado’s home field advantage like LeMahieu has done.

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    • mlb1225

      4 weeks ago

      In the NL Central, they are certaintly a contender. The Cubs are starting a rebuild, the Pirates have been in a rebuild, the Reds haven’t really done anything major and have been speculated to sell more than buy and the Brewers also haven’t done anything after finishing below .500 last year.

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      • Jmayo75

        4 weeks ago

        Yes, very good point mlb1225. Now is the time to make the splash!

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    • stan lee the manly

      4 weeks ago

      This cannot possibly be a real take can it? The Rockies are HORRIBLE without Arenado, they couldn’t even win with him

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    • Lanidrac

      4 weeks ago

      You seem to be ignoring the pitching side of the equation, where the Rockies can’t hold a candle to the amount of talent the Cardinals have.

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  34. RunDMC

    4 weeks ago

    Now ATL needs to go after Story and COL gets the prospects they need and triggers a rebuild.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      4 weeks ago

      It seems like they at least SHOULD trade him since they traded Arenado. What’s the point of keeping Story for his last season of control since they aren’t going to compete?

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    • mlbfan9764

      4 weeks ago

      @RunDMC – There would have to be an ask for Swanson in that Story deal to Atlanta and of course 2 of the 5 prospect outfielders and 1 or 2 50 or 55 rating pitching prospects. I would also think that that sort of deal would be a 2 for 1 special by including Blackmon or Jon Gray.

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      • RunDMC

        4 weeks ago

        Why would dealing Swanson have to be an ask? They have the prospects to pull off the deal and ask one to play another position. if you can play SS, you can play anywhere besides C and P. ATL gets the mid-order bat and could still bring back Ozuna or another or play Riley in LF.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          4 weeks ago

          Story is a rental. He’ll be expensive but not THAT expensive. Even Betts only cost the Dodgers 2 top 100 prospects.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        4 weeks ago

        Based on what the Indians got for a year of Lindor, I doubt the Braves would have to give up all of that.

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        • iverbure

          4 weeks ago

          Where do these people come up with the value of these players? Do they even watch baseball outside of their own team? If you’re saying to yourself every trade in the offseason “that’s it” then you have no idea what the value of any player is.

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  35. VinceColemanStoleMyHeart

    4 weeks ago

    19 Gold Gloves for the Cardinals this week. 0 stolen bases.

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    • Lanidrac

      4 weeks ago

      Assuming Molina resigns soon, that’s actually pretty accurate (Molina – 9, Arenado – 8, Wainwright – 2). Don’t forget that Molina and Arenado each have 4 Platinum Gloves (8 together), as well.

      However, Molina actually swipes a decent number of bases (relatively speaking) despite his lack of speed, although I’m not sure if he can still keep that up at his age.

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      • Cuddy Fox

        4 weeks ago

        You forgot that Goldschmidt also have 3 GG on his mantle. I wish the Cardinals also sign Wong, but that will be a dream it seems like now. That will be 1 killer defense.

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        • Lanidrac

          4 weeks ago

          Sure, but he/she was talking about the players being added this week. Bader, DeJong, and Carlson could possibly see some Gold Gloves in their future, as well.

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  36. rollingsox

    4 weeks ago

    Joke of an organization that I placed my faith in all these years

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    • dirkg

      4 weeks ago

      They’re retooling. Dodgers and Padres are beasts, so they’re using their best asset to get better. The return package is what is going to be of interest.

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      • rollingsox

        4 weeks ago

        Retooling without a plan is no fun. We should be trading Story not our best player in franchise history – solely because of money.

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  37. fannclub6

    4 weeks ago

    So much for everyone thinking the Cards weren’t going to do anything…

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  38. YourDreamGM

    4 weeks ago

    So much for being a rumor. 50 million will bring back a good haul you would think.

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  39. towinagain

    4 weeks ago

    Kudos to the Cards. Wow that is an infield. Re-acquire Wong and they have had a great off season!

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    • Lanidrac

      4 weeks ago

      I don’t think they have room (positionally or financially) for Wong with this move. They’ll probably just resign Molina and call it an offseason save for an additional minor league signing or two.

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  40. msqboxer

    4 weeks ago

    Gorman, Woodford are center pieces that’s why Colorado though in the extra $$’s.

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    • oriole10

      4 weeks ago

      Woodford may go in this deal but Gorman will not. He is insurance in case Arenado opts out and they can’t re sign him.

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  41. leftcoast11 - pyramidsuccess

    4 weeks ago

    Great move,best 3b in the game.Future HOFer.He will kill those central division stadiums.Sf,LA& SD all are considered pitchers yards.Another SoCal kid raking and cashing cks.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      4 weeks ago

      Yes he will. He’s a dominant player and will be fine away from Coors.

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  42. chicagofan1978

    4 weeks ago

    Checkmate! They are the nl central team getting swept out of the playoffs

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  43. Jal179

    4 weeks ago

    How many years remaining on Arenado’s contract?

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    • ldoggnation

      4 weeks ago

      6. But he has an option after next year.

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      • Dotnet22

        4 weeks ago

        Word is he’s getting a 2nd opt out in 2022 with this deal, per Ken Rosenthal

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  44. NuckBobFutting

    4 weeks ago

    Rockies get Austin Gomber, Luken Baker, Jhon Torres

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    • DarkSide830

      4 weeks ago

      it’ll be more then that with how much they are sending over in salery

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    • msqboxer

      4 weeks ago

      Lol…top prospects are involved.

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    • mlbfan9764

      4 weeks ago

      @Nuck – Torres is the best one but there’s a difference between the player development staffs in Colorado’s organization than the Cardinals’ organization.

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  45. SouthernBuc

    4 weeks ago

    If the 50M is over the life of the contract, might it change significantly if he opts out? Over the life of the deal that still leaves a lot of salary commitment on the Cardinals.

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    • NuckBobFutting

      4 weeks ago

      Arenado needs to waive his no trade and his opt out for the deal to be done

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    • CNichols

      4 weeks ago

      Yeah there has to be safeguards in there for the opt-out right? If they sent $50M to STL and then he opted out that would make no sense for COL

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 weeks ago

        It’s not a lump sum. Little each year.

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      • mlbfan9764

        4 weeks ago

        @CNichols – they’re probably thinking about Arenado choosing to opt out. The $50 million does cover the particulars of the contract as security. If they do work it out, does it affect his free agency and how the Cardinals could receive compensation for signing with another team?

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      • lowereastsider

        4 weeks ago

        When the Yankees traded for A-Rod, Texas was sending $67MM of the $179MM A-Rod was still owed. When A-Rod opted out, the Yankees lost about $21M of the remaining installment payments. I say lost because the Yankees extended him and Texas was off the hook.

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  46. kc38

    4 weeks ago

    Confused on many fronts with this one…. I know the cardinals see the division as very winnable but compare them to the top teams of the NL and they’re a joke. Rockies just shipped off their superstar with a $50 million dollar kicker…. OUCH. And not that I put much into it because I get the change of scenery and not being comfortable can cause this but Nolan’s Home/Road splits are not very good at all

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    • bighiggy

      4 weeks ago

      Just because other teams improved drastically doesnt mean the cards should give up. They beat a much better Braves team 2 years ago in the playoffs. Just goes to show that the best team on paper doesnt always win it all.

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      • kc38

        4 weeks ago

        If there was 1 other team then sure. But there is many others…. And the cardinals aren’t some youth movement team coming up the ranks… the team is getting older and going the other way…

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        • bighiggy

          4 weeks ago

          So they should give up? Rebuild just because other teams improved? Blow it up? I can appreciate them trying, while also appealing to the fans. You say they are getting older and I disagree. Fowler, Carp, miller, yadi(if he signs) and wainwright will all be gone next year. Besides goldy and arenado who is old. Oneill, bader, carlson, edman, dejong, knizer, flaherty, hudson, hicks….I mean who?

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        • Dotnet22

          4 weeks ago

          They don’t have to beat all of them. That’s not how the playoffs work.

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        • Lanidrac

          4 weeks ago

          The Cardinals still have plenty of youth on their pitching staff and in a few position players like DeJong, Bader, and Carlson. Meanwhile, some expensive older players (Carpenter, Fowler, and Andrew Miller) are off the books after next year.

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  47. CNichols

    4 weeks ago

    Did he agree to not exercise his opt-out after 2021 as part of this? That’s always seemed like the biggest hurdle to trading him.

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    • theland44145

      4 weeks ago

      I would assume. Don’t think Rockies pay for two years unless he pushed back at least one year

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  48. themed

    4 weeks ago

    Hello favorites of the NL Central. And certainly no ceiling on how far they can go in the playoffs. Bye bye cub fans!

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    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 weeks ago

      Round 1.

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    • chicagofan1978

      4 weeks ago

      I love how happy you are to have the best team in a horrible division. It’s just embarrassing at this point

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      • DarkSide830

        4 weeks ago

        and your happy your team could have simply brought in a serviceable SP to perhaps be the favorite and didnt even do that?

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        • chicagofan1978

          4 weeks ago

          My team is the white Sox.

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        • DarkSide830

          4 weeks ago

          oh so not a Cubs fan. hard to tell ya know.

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        • chicagofan1978

          4 weeks ago

          Remember two teams in Chicago, I don’t exactly hate the Cubs but I’m a realist with them, I’m a homer for the Sox

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    • JDGoat

      4 weeks ago

      The amount of rent they have in your head cannot be very healthy.

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  49. DarkSide830

    4 weeks ago

    go figure

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  50. 303rox

    4 weeks ago

    Being a Rockies fan just continues to be frustrating. The team squandered the best years of Blackmon, Arenado and Story with poor free agent signings and an unwillingness to put in the effort to win. Now Story will be dealt mid-season and they’ll start all over again only to do the very same thing with the next core. Bridich has no business being in that role but ownership has it good with a ballpark that stays pretty full despite the embarrassing product on the field. The fans suffer for it but the brass just doesn’t care. So disheartening

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    • lowereastsider

      4 weeks ago

      I feel for you Rockies fans. I have no idea which direction the club has been heading for the past decade or so. The Arenado-Bridich debacle was the icing on the cake. I don’t even know how the brass allowed it to become public since no one wins. For $50m, you can spend well on draft picks and int’l signings on lottery tickets. Too bad Arenado already had one foot out the door.

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    • playball6000

      4 weeks ago

      Yeah, sorry. I’d be disappointed in them too.

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  51. FletcherFan69

    4 weeks ago

    big if true

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  52. DarkSide830

    4 weeks ago

    Some history of COL guys going to STL…

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  53. a761506

    4 weeks ago

    STL seems like one of the best run organizations in the league. They are competitive from year to year, they invest in quality players and never stuck themselves with a dead weight contract, like Pujols. Before this, they had only two players on the payroll beyond 2023 for only $28M in commitments. Arenado is still very much a franchise player, plus getting that cash covers STL for decline in his age 34-35 seasons, this was a robbery no matter what any of those prospects do.

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    • gbs42

      4 weeks ago

      Goldy and Mikolas combine to make $43M per year.

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    • burdellt

      4 weeks ago

      Matt carpenter, Carlos Martinez, dexter Fowler, Those are all dead weight contracts. Mozalok is an idiot and while this seems awesome on paper, he probably got fleeced here, like every other move he’s made. I love Arenado, but this deal makes me think his Bhutto last year is bigger than we know.

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      • Lanidrac

        4 weeks ago

        Martinez’s contract is still good if he can make it back into the rotation (and not terrible if he’s just a quality setup man), and while Fowler is overpaid he’s still a decent player and not dead weight at all.

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  54. T8Rcheese1

    4 weeks ago

    Wow! Rox ate alot of cabbage, surely some high ceiling type prospects coming back. At the 149 over 6 thats a solid deal. Lets say yes coors numbers are what they are but if they get him at Scott Rolen type numbers they’re pumped. Glove plays everywhere and if he puts up .275 30 and 100 with that glove, hard to compain about that trade for the birds.

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  55. bravos4life

    4 weeks ago

    How didn’t the Braves make this deal. We have 20 outfield prospects yet don’t want to trade any of them.

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    • RunDMC

      4 weeks ago

      What they took on of Arenado is essentially Freeman’s extension – as there have been rumors that Goldy’s extension provides framework for a Freeman extension. It’s not the players given up – though that list hasn’t been confirmed yet – ATL could part with those, though they have lower depth issues (in part, because of the sanctions), but it’s the dollars/risk involved.

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  56. theodore glass

    4 weeks ago

    Unless the Cardinals make other moves I don’t see how Arenado alone pushes them to the top.

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    • baseballpun

      4 weeks ago

      Top of what? The were arguably already top of the division with Darvish and Bauer gone from Chicago and Cincy.

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      • Dotnet22

        4 weeks ago

        Also Iglesias, Archie Bradley, Jameson Taillon, Josh Bell. Other central teams got weaker or stood pat.

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  57. Dbacks fan

    4 weeks ago

    Dbacks need to trade for Charlie Blackman as they need a CF.

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    • theodore glass

      4 weeks ago

      Blackmon doesn’t play CF anymore.

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    • theodore glass

      4 weeks ago

      Blackmon doesn’t play CF anymore.

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  58. RMSMITH

    4 weeks ago

    If what I heard was true. Mo stole him. Colorado gets Gomber and Baker

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  59. Ronk325

    4 weeks ago

    This is a pathetic move by the Rockies. They should have just traded Arenado a couple years back and received a stronger return instead of giving their fans the facade that they were committed to keeping him long term

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    • iverbure

      4 weeks ago

      That’s what all mid markets should be doing. Keeping the star player never works out for these franchises. Fans should want the star player traded too if they want the team to win but they don’t even know how to be fans properly.

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  60. RMSMITH

    4 weeks ago

    I think he signed a 6yr $199 mm so, 5 years left?

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    • Eatdust666

      4 weeks ago

      His deal was an 8 year $260 million extension

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  61. LarryJ4

    4 weeks ago

    And the cardinals still won’t matter. Does nothing for them tbh. Not like the moves they’ve made will push them passed the big 3 of the NL.

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    • baseballpun

      4 weeks ago

      Idiot. You win the division and each series is basically a coin flip. If nobody tried to win unless they were a guaranteed top-3 team on paper, the whole league would fold.

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    • Cardsfanatik redux

      4 weeks ago

      Never watched much playoff baseball huh?

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  62. beyou02215

    4 weeks ago

    Time to trade Story. Why stop now?

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    • mlbfan9764

      4 weeks ago

      @beyou – they’re okay with keeping Story so that their infield is McMahon, Story, Hampson and Rodgers.

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  63. Lanidrac

    4 weeks ago

    Depending on who’s going to Colorado, the following lineup isn’t bad:
    Edman
    Carlson
    Goldschmidt
    Arenado
    DeJong
    Fowler
    Molina? (or currently Knizner)
    Bader
    Pitcher (assuming no DH at this point)

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  64. VonPurpleHayes

    4 weeks ago

    Rockies still pay 50mm??? What is going on here?

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  65. playball6000

    4 weeks ago

    Thr Cards did nothing all Winter. They resign Wainwright then are handed Arenado with 50 million toward his salary. That’s how badly The Rockies wanted to unload him! Have not seen what Stl gave up yet. Guessing it’s not a ton.

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  66. Balk

    4 weeks ago

    Damn, gonna miss seeing this dude compete in the NL west. He was fun to watch! Great fit though for the Cards

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    • mlbnyyfan

      4 weeks ago

      It’s horrible that the Yankees can’t find a taker for Stanton by sending most of his salary away. Cashman so over rated.

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  67. OCTraveler

    4 weeks ago

    Person with biggest smile: Justin Turner. Unless you want Rios at third full time, the Dodgers better sign him again.

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  68. GarryHarris

    4 weeks ago

    STL is going to pay…

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    • Dotnet22

      4 weeks ago

      With mid level prospects…..whoop de do

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      • GarryHarris

        4 weeks ago

        Which ones?

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        • iverbure

          4 weeks ago

          Looks like the Rockies paid.

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  69. halos2017

    4 weeks ago

    Don’t get over excited. His home/away splits are bad. Goldschmidt didn’t turn out as hoped. You’re welcome for taking Pujols out of your hands. Luckily this is his last year of contract. No playoff wins in his first 9 years. I was fine with the contract beforehand believing we would get some playoff wins but that didn’t happen.

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    • bighiggy

      4 weeks ago

      Goldschmidts numbers last year were awesome. His numbers in 2019 were down but still not terrible.

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      • halos2017

        4 weeks ago

        52 runs and rbis in 58 games. Not awesome. It’s about scoring runs and he didn’t generate a run a game. only 6 home runs.

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  70. dirkg

    4 weeks ago

    It’s a good day when Baseball City USA gets a stud like Arenado.

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  71. jbc1972

    4 weeks ago

    I don’t see the return hurting the Cards too much with the 2 opt outs and taking on 3/4s the contract. Gomber is the only name I’ve seen so far.

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  72. trigato

    4 weeks ago

    How does Rockies front office keep their jobs after this disaster