In one of the first deals of the summer trade season, the Blue Jays announced they’ve right-handed reliever Adam Cimber and left-handed-hitting outfielder Corey Dickerson from the Marlins in exchange for infielder Joe Panik and minor league righty Andrew McInvale. The swap comes barely a week after Toronto GM Ross Atkins acknowledged a desire to add bullpen help (and after the team was reported to be seeking left-handed bats on the trade market).
It’s a bit of a surprise move on a number of levels. Dickerson is presently on the 10-day IL with a foot injury, and it’s unclear when he’ll return to the field (although he’s eligible at any time having already spent more than 10 days on the shelf). Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith tweets that Dickerson is still in a walking boot but feeling good as he progresses through rehab. Meanwhile, it’s a bit unexpected to see the Fish taking back a struggling veteran infielder such as Panik, but Miami does have a pair of infielders (Brian Anderson, Jose Devers) on the injured list at the moment.
What’s not surprising, from a broader perspective, is that the Marlins would be seeking a trade partner for Dickerson. The 32-year-old has been a roughly league-average bat since signing a two-year, $17.5MM deal with Miami in the 2019-20 offseason and is hitting .263/.324/.380 through 225 trips to the plate in 2021. But the Marlins have multiple young outfielders they’d like the chance to evaluate for the remainder of the 2021 season, including Jesus Sanchez, who now figures to get the bulk of the time in left field. The 23-year-old decimated Triple-A pitching, slashing .349/.400/.643 with nine homers, five doubles and three triples through 140 plate appearances prior to his promotion. He now has a clearer path to everyday at-bats in Miami than he would’ve with a healthy Dickerson eventually returning from the injured list.
For the Blue Jays, Dickerson figures to slide into a part-time outfield role. Toronto currently has Lourdes Gurriel Jr., George Springer, Teoscar Hernandez and Randal Grichuk in the mix for outfield and DH at-bats, but all four bat right-handed. Dickerson’s left-handed bat makes for a nice fit, particularly given his longstanding platoon splits. He’s held his own against lefties in his career, hitting .268/.305/.408, but has thrived against right-handers with a .287/.333/.514 output.
While Dickerson is the more recognizable name of the two going back to the Jays in this deal, Cimber is perhaps the key piece of this trade for the Blue Jays. The 30-year-old sidearmer has pitched in 34 1/3 innings so far with the Marlins and notched a 2.88 ERA — albeit primarily in low-leverage situations.
Cimber doesn’t miss many bats, but that’s often the case with sidearm and submarine pitchers. He’s posted just a 15.9 percent strikeout rate so far in 2021 — about nine percent lower than league-average — but also sports better-than-average walk and ground-ball percentages (7.9 and 49.5, respectively). He rarely gives up premium contact, sitting in the 81st percentile of MLB pitchers in terms of opponents’ average exit velocity and the 96th percentile in terms of opponents’ barrel rate, per Statcast.
For his career, Cimber has been far more effective against righties than lefties, but he’s been an absolute nightmare for left-handed opponents so far in 2021. It’s a sample of just 55 plate appearances, so the small-sample caveat certainly applies, but left-handed opponents have posted just a .196/.327/.283 slash against him. Right-handers, meanwhile, are slashing .269/.329/.333 against him.
Dickerson is a free agent at season’s end, so he’s a pure rental for the Blue Jays whenever he’s able to return to the field. Cimber, on the other hand, is controllable via arbitration through the 2024 season. He’s playing the current year on a $925K salary after avoiding arbitration as a Super Two player over the winter and will have three more trips through the arb process before he qualifies as a free agent. His inclusion in the deal gives the Jays a reliever with a career 3.69 ERA and 4.01 SIERA both for the remainder of the 2021 season and perhaps for multiple years to come.
Looking at the Marlins’ end of the swap, Panik will give them an experienced bench option and help provide some cover for those injuries and any others that may arise. (Both Miguel Rojas and Jazz Chisholm have already spent time on the IL in 2021.) He could also see increased time at third base, freeing versatile Jon Berti up to bounce around the diamond as he has in seasons past. Panik was productive in the first couple years of his career with the Giants, but he’s settled in as something of a journeyman utility player. Dating back to 2018, the former first-round pick is batting .246/.313/.332 — including a .246/.293/.351 hitter in 123 plate appearances so far in 2021.
Panik’s inclusion in the deal also serves as something of a financial counterweight to the Blue Jays’ additions of Dickerson and Cimber. The Marlins are also sending the Jays about $2.65MM as part of the trade. Overall, the Jays are adding about $4.4MM of Dickerson’s remaining salary and $482K of Cimber’s remaining salary, but shedding the remaining $982K on Panik’s deal and getting this $2.65MM in cash considerations. That leaves about a $1.3MM sum remaining to be added to the Toronto payroll.
As for the 24-year-old McInvale, he’ll add another arm to the upper levels of the Miami system. Although he was one of the Blue Jays’ final picks in 2019 (37th round and No. 1107 overall), McInvale has risen to Double-A and fared quite well this season. He’s pitched 20 2/3 innings out of the bullpen an impressive 31.8 percent strikeout rate and a massive 63.6 percent ground-ball rate. Command has been an issue, however, as McInvale has walked 13 batters (14.8 BB%), hit another pair and tossed three wild pitches.
McInvale didn’t rank among the Jays’ best prospects, as one would expect for a recent 37th-rounder who didn’t pitch in 2020. However, the Marlins are parting with an outfielder they’ve deemed superfluous and a right-hander they acquired from the Indians this past winter in exchange for cash ($100K, to be exact). Saving some of Dickerson’s salary and adding a pitcher who’s performed well at the Double-A level seems like a solid outcome to the whole gambit for them. As for the Jays, they’re effectively purchasing an experienced righty and rolling the dice on a veteran hitter with a strong track record against right-handed pitching. It’s not the flashiest of trades we’ll see this summer, but it’s one that ultimately feels fairly sensible for both clubs — even if it looks a little odd at first glance.
Craig Mish of the Miami Herald first reported that Dickerson was being traded to the Blue Jays and that the Marlins were sending some cash (all Twitter links). MLB Network’s Jon Heyman then added that Cimber, Panik and a Jays minor league pitcher were in the swap. The Athletic’s Kaitlyn McGrath first reported McInvale’s inclusion. Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reported (via Twitter) the Marlins’ inclusion of salary.
I can’t tell you how much the words “have acquired” excite me whenever I open this page!
sounds like a medical issue
MLBTRumors no more! MLBTFacts! Finally….trade season is among us!
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
Can Corey Dickerson start for the Jays?
Starters are fine. Jays need him to relieve! Romano and Dickerson and pray for rain!
Don’t be jealous, Yankee fan.
Can anybody makes sense as to why for me?
I hope the Mets are calling about starlin marte. Let our 4 OF platoon.
If you consider the fact that Dom hits lefties better than he does righties in 2021, I think you’re going to be disappointed.
He edited his comment..
Dickerson gives you a better offensive/defensive ratio than Dom.
Never mind. You’re talking about Marte. Ignore my nonsense.
I’d get back to your comment at the end of the year…
No yeah Ik. I even the first comment I didn’t mean only Lefty righty. I just meant 50/50
Lame comment bro
Ahhhh, how cute. @MetsFan22 sees the Marlins trade an expendable OF and a part of our horrible bullpen, so now he thinks the Marlins are already trading off players. And the player that will draw the most interest too. After all, I guess @MetsFan22 is one of those Mets fans that makes dumbash trade suggestions that reflect the belief that every team is in business to make the Mets better instead of themselves.
I’d love to know what @MetsFan22 feels the Mets can get Marte for from the Marlins. Maybe he needs to consult with @Dan Hunter to get maximum brain-trust together.
Not much lol. He is a rental dude….
Exactly. And not worth it.
Because the Jays need another outfielder?
At lease he’s a left handed stick.
Why lease when you can buy?
One Bite Hotdog
I reckon Handsome Randall or LG Jr. are on the move at some point
I’d wait on trading LG Jr, isn’t he versatile and can fill in at 2B,3B & SS when someone has a day off?
Hopefully it’s one of the better Toronto prospects. Just wondering why in the world we wanted Joe Panik as opposed to maybe another lottery ticket prospect.
Panik is on a minimum salary contract.
Panik is making $1.85 million this year. He helps fill a hole for the Marlins and allows their younger IF more time to develop.
and he gives veteran presents to the young guys
Unfortunately spider tack, sun lotion, beer and chew are no longer allowed in the dugout. The veteran gift giving checklist has truly taken a hit lately.
He bought gifts?
Zero chance it’s a prospect anyone outside of Toronto/Buffalo has heard of before.
Yeah, I can’t imagine it’s anyone in the top 30. I’m sure Ng has done her usual due diligence and has her eye one someone in their system, but if it’s a notable name, I’d be surprised.
Jays have a very deep system. Just because it’s no one we’ve heard of doesn’t mean it’s not a good player. I bet someone in the mid-20’s of the rankings, far away from the big leagues.
and it’s a reliever from AA that has an outside chance of being in the major leagues one day, let alone be of service for years… not on anyone’s radar.
Not even anyone inside of Toronto/Buffalo had the name of the 1107th overall pick of the 2019 draft in their minds.
Miami moved early and could look to flip Panik in a few weeks when the deadline approaches and his value inches upward.
Yes, there will be a bidding war because Panik is in such high demand. Hard to find a 2B with no speed or power these days.
If I suggested his value could inch upward I’m obviously not talking about a huge payoff. The Marlins grabbed him as a lottery ticket. You never know who’s going to go down over the span of a month and there’s always a GM or two that does something nobody expected.
You think he’s going to do something in the next 30 days that is going to completely change the way scouts currently view him? He’s not a lottery ticket.
I think you’re forgetting his stellar glove work at 3B that make the pitchers rave.
Not sure you understand the term “lottery ticket”.
Haha, right? Years ago, a baseball enthusiast buddy of mine compared Panik to a young Cal Ripken Jr, and I remind him about it once every season. Billy Ripken, maybe.
Yes there is, like trade for Joe Panik in the first place.
Wasn’t Billy Ripken the player that had F***face written on the handle of the bat he was holding for his baseball card photo years ago?
The Jays made taking Panik a requirement?
LMAO! How in the world would you ever figure it’s one of the Jays better prospects? BAHAHAHA! Marlins fans are hilarious! It was their 37th rounder who happens to rank way, way down below their top 50.
Not a jays fan but I do like this trade for them
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Same. Also Panik no doubt thrilled to return to major league baseball.
I think he’s knocking the Triple A park in Buffalo. In comparison to the Triple A team in the Marlins where they are afraid of Major League salaries.
Imagine thinking the AL isn’t a more viewer-friendly league? Better offense, better superstars, no pitchers injured trying to hit or run on the bases when not all pitchers are true athletic-types and never even practice hitting in the first place, not having like 800 breaks a game for “strategy” reasons, the list goes on and on. I pay to watch Bryce Harper hit, not bunt, get out of here with this outdated, cornball, idiotic gameplay. AL > NL, period.
Yeah, this is a bad take. But hey, everyone is entitled to their bad opinions. Grown men get so mad at the bunt, jeez
Bunt is 1 of those things slipping away in the game, unless in the NL and another of those auto out pitchers is attempting it.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I like that the leagues are different.
However: way back in the 70’s my grandfather (who taught me football, baseball, & skiing) felt that oftentimes a bunt was a waste of an out.
I think it’s occasionally the right call. Twice this season, Gardner has bunted. Both times there were no outs & runners on first & second. & because he’s a LH batter with good speed & handles the bat well, there’s always a chance it will lead to bases loaded no out. That’s a situation where I feel bunting is called for.
But a lot of times – yes – it’s really just wasting an out.
Yeah it’s a shame to see plays like the bunt squeeze becoming rarer and rarer every year. I do strongly believe the DH needs to be implemented into the NL. It’s not because of pitchers hitting (forces managers into strategy of replacing pitchers to pinch hit for them) it’s more for players who can’t play the field anymore but still have a potent bat. It extends the careers of players like Nelson Cruz and Carlos Beltran. I prefer the more nostalgic game of my youth with strategy and baseball iq but the game has to evolve. The way the game was is definitely too slow and boring for today. We were happy to get 1-2 exciting innings back then. Today they expect 3-4 with minimal delays. 30 years ago we would all sit in the stands with our ponchos and umbrellas waiting out a 4 hour rain delay. That only happens in the playoffs these days. The game has to speed up.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Nothing wrong with acquiring veteran depth. Next up, starting pitcher.
Panik on the streets of Miami.
At the disco?
Why another OF? They have Hernandez, Grichick, Springer, Gurriel, and Biggio plays some out there.
Likely had to take his contract in order to get Cimber.
Seems that way.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they DFA Dickerson when he’s healthy. Cimber was the target here.
Why would you do that? Dickerson is beyond solid and makes the offense better.
Sorry, quoted Chris’ stat line instead of Corey. Ignore this.
You’re thinking of the Dickerson of three or four years ago. He’s about a league average hitter now, and a poor defender. I wouldn’t play him over Grichuk (to say nothing of the Jays other outfielders) unless dealing with a particularly tough righty. But I assume the Jays didn’t give much up.
If they can fix his bat and make him a designated pinch hitter who is worth some wins, then maybe.
Would help if he could plug in to 1B even if he hasn’t spent an inning there in his career yet.
Why would it help if he could fill in at first base? Vlad can and should be at first base everyday except for maybe 10 games a year.. For those 10 games you have Biggio or Gurriel Jr. to cover and if you really need to you could bring Telez back up. So no it would not help and IMO would do more harm with Chuckles managing because he would feel the need to move Vlad to the bench to get Dickerson in there which should NEVER be the case.
because: injuries, and if you’re carrying a bat to pinch hit to try to win, it helps a lot of that guy has some kind of position flexibility.
Vlad is going to get more than 10 games of rest/season (as DH) as they want him to max effort at the plate every game they can get. Biggio is more likely to fill other positions.
Anyhow, the odds might be good they just release Dickerson after test driving his bat for a few weeks.
@ neo you are a prime example of drinking the Rogers Kool aid. Why? because that is what they would say about Vlad. “He got to DH every now and then to stay fresh.” Bull$h!t . What makes people feel Vlad has to get his rest while guys like Bichette and Semien only need a day or two off and they play a more demanding position? Vlad is a 22 year old young man with zero reported injuries. So why would he need more rest than the others?
Because Vlad lacks the conditioning but still needs to drive pretty hard for his superlative ability to shine. He lost weight, which is great. But he’s not the same athlete as Bo or Marcus. That’s what they tell us at the Church of Ted Rogers.
Drink up son you will be drinking a lot of it at the Church of Ted Rogers. Vlad is in great shape and he is 22 years old……….. Do you think, if the Padres had a DH spot, they would DH Tatis once a week “to keep him fresh” and get the fans to drink that kool aid…..NO they wouldn’t nor would Tatis. He might do it like once a month and he has been hurt a couple times already. So no need to make Vlad do it.
I’m not sure what you’re arguing, Vlad has pretty much played every day.
Just read all the thread. Its about first base starts vs. DH starts.
Yep, 59 starts at 1B after today versus 18 as DH this year for Vlad. But the manager here thinks Vlad is worse for being handled this way. Corrupting his youth and perverting his mind or something. The secret organization behind Blue Jays ownership is pulling strings for their ultimate goal of who knows what. Whatever they are up to, it is making Darthyen very unhappy and we should all be here to tell him that he’s seen and his thoughts are valid. 22 year old men should be allowed to do whatever they want and not be treated like children, or something like that. Is that the cause you fight for, Darthyen?
Why would they DFA him if Miami is paying most of the salary? Heck he would have more value to flip than Panik will. An average hitting player means he’s like everyone else, not a DFA scrub.
Because roster spot and utility of that spot is sometimes more important than payroll concerns. Enormously important if you are in tight race for a playoff spot.
They could also flip Dickerson. I think he would platoon nicely in San Diego with Wil Myers.
Return isn’t going to be big if they flip him but they may be able to offload the salary they took on.
It is sad when Adam Cimber is a trade target. That shows how bad Toronto’s bullpen has been.
It would be nice to have bullpen arms that don’t walk the bases loaded, walk the winning runs in, walk away like nobody else could have done any better.
Are you talking about the Marlins bullpen or the Blue Jays? I’ve seen my Marlins, with Comber, Anthony Bass, etc. etc. etc . do exactly what you’re saying this year…especially in late innings.
Not long ago the Jays were regularly running out guys like Davis and Palacios and that guy whose name I’ve already forgotten. I’d much rather have had Dickerson out there. You can never have too much depth.
If they get improbable health luck, Dickerson could still be a nice pinch hitter. Certainly beats sending Panik up there with the game on the line against the tough righty, especially if you need a home run.
Dickerson is so underrated. If he stays healthy he will be a great contributer.
Edit — I’m just a fool who looked up Chris Dickerson instead of Corey. Ignore me.
Left handed hitter
. All other OF are righties…
Was. He’s 32 now and still a wild swinger who occasionally runs into one, but has become more of a guess hitter in his decline. And his brief days as a plus outfielder are long gone. Weird trade on several levels, but I guess Toronto wanted a lefty bat and a reliable reliever (Cimber is probably the more important get for them). Interesting to see who the prospect is. This, along with the Brewers/Rays deal, will help set the market.
watching him in Pittsburgh, great player while here but yeah health is a concern with him.
Couple of nice fits. I wonder who the prospect is.
Has to be a salary thing for Miami to include Dickerson
there’s always a salary thing to every trade, isn’t there?
Or maybe, and this might be a huge maybe, the Marlins want to give one of their top Of prospects, one of which is specifically mentioned of having a “clearer path “ to starting in Sanchez, a shot.
But I could be wrong
This. People are making this trade more complicated than it is. It’s not a salary dump. By the time the Marlins’ chunk of Dickerson’s salary, and Panik’s salary, are figured in, they’re probably saving next to nothing. The Jays did this because they wanted Cimber and could get him cheap before the crazy season for relievers starts. The Marlins did this because they have a better player waiting his chance and Dickerson was blocking him, and they got an interesting AA arm to boot. Makes sense.
Agreed. Seems like the Blue Jays were like, well, we want Cimber, and you have Jesus Sanchez who can play left. We need a lefty bat, so we’ll take Dickerson, you pick up some of his salary, and we’ll give you an intriguing prospect and an infielder to help out your team’s injury problems.
Intriguing prospect? If they can get serviceable pitchers for every prospect so intriguing in their system, the Jays will have a fun trading season. How does this prospect have a better shot at being an interesting major league pitcher than hundreds upon hundreds of others throwing baseballs in the minors?
McInvale has electric stuff, has performed well in AA, has a ridiculous 63% groundball rate. That’s a quality prospect with upside.
A 13 game sample size in AA for a college pitcher drafted in the 37th round that had an ERA over 6.00 in rookie ball just two years ago. That’s not a quality prospect, that is the Blue Jays selling extremely high on a good 20 innings stretch. I’d bet McInvale is more likely to never see the big leagues over being a quality reliever in the big leagues.
Are you implying that being a young girl is an insult? How do you know this person is not a young girl? Why do people believe that anyone wants them to correct their grammar? Didn’t we all get enough of that in English class? So many questions.
This really crowds an already crowded outfield. Maybe another trade coming? Could only be Grichuk or, more likely, Gurriel Jr. Jays really need pitching.
Drew Waters Bat
Cant wait to hear what KevinGohD has to say about this transaction. They get bullpen help too. Gonna be real happy. Probably gonna top it with some Arby’s sauce.
Horsey sauce too?
Drew Waters Bat
If that’s what it takes to get Eddie Matthew’s out of the drive thru window Yes dear God. Such an animal when hes bored.
Not a “making progress”. Not a National Pundit says they’re in talks. Not speculation without merit like Yankees acquiring a big contract player that will put them over the threshold. Two teams made a trade! Yippee!!!
That Miami is picking up a portion of Dickerson’s salary says the real key here is the prospect they’re getting in return. Given Florida’s pitching depth, I wonder if the prospect isn’t an everyday player type. Blue Jays certainly have some SS prospects in the pipeline that could be of interest..
Prepare for the disappointment of who the 1107th pick of the 2019 draft is…. good news is that he’s trending in a positive direction.
I think the reliever Cimber is the biggest thing about this trade for the Jays, he’s been very good this year, hopefully he keeps it up. And Dickerson has more upside then Panik, and at the very least can sub in for some games vs righties and be a good pinch hitter late. Great trade by the Jays
Assuming that the pitching prospect going to Miami is a low-top-30 or unranked prospect, then the Marlins made this trade because a) their infield injuries, and b) offloading Dickerson’s salary so that that they have more flexibility at the deadline with their low payroll. Seems like a classic “we both have needs, let’s figure them out” trade.
I can’t imagine who in that Jays lineup you’d pinch hit Dickerson for, unless it’s a platoon thing.
Probably just espinal if a righty is on the mound.
Or he plays occasional vs a righty and Grichuk has an off day?
The pitcher when they play interleague games in NL parks if they have any interleague games left on the schedule.
Five games left in NL parks this season. Then two or three in the postseason, they hope. Not a lot.
Some might see this as a Panik move by the Blue Jays…
At that price? Phillies should have made this move.
hey, we’ve got Neftali and Enyel- we’re good.
dude, like how does anyone rational take out Falter for Neftali Feliz there?
I’ve always irrationally loved Neftali but when I heard he was going to Philly my first thought was “that’s not the dude you wanna get to stabilize your bullpen after about 5+ years of blowing games cuz you can’t close them out”.
hasnt been the same here since Pap was dealt
I said it when he was brought back…there was no way Panik was staying on our roster come September. Trade bait!
I think this sets up the Jays to make a bigger trade in the near future for one of their OF. My guess is that Gurriel gets traded for a package that includes either a mid level starter or high impact reliever.
Why would you trade Gurriel when his value is low? If anything, trade Grichuk while his value is high. It’s pretty poor asset management to sell low on players.
Unfortunately I think last years Gurriel may be an outlier.
He rarely walks, takes bad routes in the outfield and doesn’t hit for a tonne of power. To me he seems like one of those guys that a championship team would be looking to upgrade on.
But he’s cheap, controllable, has a cannon of an arm in left to make highlight plays and upside you can dream on if he ever stops swinging at sliders off the plate.
If you can get some good controllable pitching for him and a prospect… I’d do it.
He was just as good in 2019 as he was in 2020, so unsure how that could be an outlier.
After his slow start he’s. .278 .301 .494 the last month.
His defence isn’t great but he hasn’t be playing OF that long, also his arm makes up for a bunch of mistakes.
Not saying don’t trade him, I’m just saying I’d looks to move Grichuk first if I was trading an OF
It can be poor asset management UNLESS you believe a player’s value is never going to recover and you want to try and pawn them off on someone else. Keeping an under performing outfielder and trading one that is performing is not the way to win in MLB. Sure if you don’t care about winning baseball at all and are only concerned with putting together a collection of names that may or may not be good in the future, then your way is great.
I can’t see them trading Gurriel. His value isn’t as high as it could/should be this year, but he’s an impact bat and a one of the ‘core’.
If any OF gets traded I could see it being Grichuk since he can play CF and is playing up his value right now.
Gurriel would be the odd man out. His value should be higher than most people would think considering his contract. There is such thing as trading and getting value back based on his potential. I could see him being dealt with a prospect for a SP
The only problem with trading Grichuk is who are you trading with? Generally when you pick up a good piece for a playoff run, you’re dealing with a team that is looking for prospects and young guys in return. That’s not Grichuk. On the other hand, Gurriel Jr is still young enough to be a core guy for someone else who is rebuilding.
But I agree with the consensus that Gurriel’s value is not ideal right now
Grichuk is still signed for 2 more years. So a team that is ‘retooling’ or a potential playoff team that has a CF need could both be interested.
gurriel only has 3 more years of control and it’s an arb year, so I don’t think he falls in to the young, lots of control prospect bucket either
A potential playoff team is not trading its pitching this year.
You don’t really know that do you.
Also 3 team trades
I was thinking the exact same thing
I’m not saying Toronto’s clubhouse is dysfunctional or that they don’t have other veteran leaders on the team but they are a fairly young team and an auxiliary benefit to getting Dickerson is that he is a consummate professional. He’s been around the league a bit, carved out a fairly long career given that corner outfielders are a pretty fungible market and you never hear former coaches, teammates or even media in places he’s played have anything negative to say about him. As a rental for a young team in a playoff chase where Miami is chipping in some of his salary and taking Joe Palin back I think he’s a solid addition to the Jays regardless of the limited at bats available for him.
As others have stated Cimber is the main get, just wanted to share my opinions why Dickerson has appeal to Toronto and isn’t just roster redundancy.
Cimber hasn’t given up a HR so far this year.
He could be the bridge to Romano that they jays have been looking for since Chatwood is such an adventure at times.
If Borucki and Merryweather are back soon (both are throwing) and stay healthy (big if) a back end of Romano, borucki, merryweather and cimber could put to rest the bullpen issues and actually come out as a real strength of the team.
Now they need another starter in case Stripling, Ray or Matz turn back in to a pumpkin.
Surprised Ng got rid of Cimber after a half-season. She personally wanted to bring him in during the offseason. I can’t imagine the end-game for all of this was Joe Panik. This is the kind of trade that reaffirms the Marlins still don’t really know what the heck they’re doing.
Salary relief isn’t nothing.
No, the Marlins are paying Dickerson still. This wasn’t a salary dump trade. Sounds more like a trade request/demand on Corey’s part.
Very on-brand for Miami. Shed salary they acquired needlessly a year earlier.
I hope Dickerson wins a Championship with Toronto If they keep him. The guy is a awesome guy
The BlueJays are not winning a championship this year. Period.
Not with the current roster, but if they can keep trading low prospects and marginal veterans for quality pitching depth the ceiling could be raised.
Not until you are GM. Right. Got it.
29 teams are not winning a championship this year. Period. Should all of them stop trying?
No of course teams should go all out for the win, just do it the tried and true method.
For example, the Jays have a great lineup now, the next step is to keep acquiring talent. They need a shutdown reliever and a high-end starter, then they’ll have a shot at a championship. They are not far away.
There is an adage in baseball that holds true for today: hitting sells tickets but pitching and defense wins a championship over a long season.
Kudos for having a GM that is truly competitively-minded and creative. Unfortunately, we haven’t had one like that for the past decade in St. Louis. Ours (along with the owner) is too apathetic, presumptive of the fan base and has ZERO talent assessment skills.
Atkins is far from creative, bro.
Nothing gained nothing lost for both teams ,seems like a win win
Jays gained nothing ?
If nothing is gained, then how is it a win? Wouldn’t it be more of a push?
Trade does a few things for Jays. I agree Cimber was the main piece. Dickerson may very well be put on the 60 day and is potentially useful piece come trade deadline. This deal though will give the Jays a chance to look at Kevin Smith who they need to make a decision on this year.
Take Dickerson and we will give you a solid relief piece.
Huh. I mean, the Marlins got nothing in return here. As important as relief pitching is, it’s strange to see a good reliever given away. The NL East is rather weak–with that pitching staff, who knows if the Marlins can re-enter the race? I wouldn’t bet against them.
I am not a fan of either team; so, the trade means nothing to me. But, the Baseball Trade Values Simulator rates as a fair trade. I think some fans get hung up on names. Just because you haven’t heard of or know very little about a player does not mean they are not good and serviceable.
I agree. Incremental improvement is nothing to sneeze at. These are two of the more fascinating teams as the deadline approaches, for opposite reasons. I see Toronto as a buyer, Miami as a seller. The Jays making a move a month ahead of the deadline shows they are serious about shoring up their pitching. It can’t be understated what a healthy Springer means to their team. They have enough talent to go for it now without closing their window in the future. A well-orchestrated rebuild.
As for the Marlins, they are trying to right their ship as the Jays have done. While they are technically not far behind in the race, it would probably be wise to sell since they have worthwhile assets that contenders would be interested in. It’s an opportunity for Kim Ng to put her stamp on the rebuild. They have an excellent foundation with starting pitching. Move the pieces that can be moved, improve the organizational depth, and they’ll be in good shape in the near future.
Fans of both teams should be happy with how things are being run.
I didn’t expect this one at all. Glad to have Cimber though for the pen, and I’ve always liked Dickerson’s bat. I’m a little bummed to see Panik go. I know he hasn’t been very good as a Jay, but I do like the guy and wish him well.
Nice trade for the Jays.
Cimber is the most valuable of the 4 traded.
Panik has been outplayed by Espinal who is hitting better, is better defensively and can play SS as well. Panik’s only role was a LH bat and veterans “presents”. That has been replaced by Dickerson, who is superfluous, but is a better hitter and should help what has been a weak bench. Dickerson >Panik
The prospect is a basic 24 yr old reliever with a decent arm and control problems.
Yeah, not much upside in Panik at all. The only standout feature about him is that Hunter Pence (aka the most likable baseball player ever) once said he was a really good guy.
Replying to my own comment to make fun of myself for including “upside” in the same sentence as Joe Panik. I didn’t realize he’s 30. There’s no upside. My bad.
Ghost of past pirates
So much nonsensical jabber over a overated trade…too much time on your troll hands…. Go outside and get some air and untroll yourselves
Your post is rather… ironic, don’t you think?
Miami Marlins, where discounts happen. Thanks Miami for the salary dump. As a Jays fan, we’ll take it.
Yeah, we have Jesus Sanchez up, who looks like he’s not going back down…and our bullpen has been completely a disaster.
Yeah, this was solely a salary dump…especially with the Marlins adding money to the deal for an expiring contract.
Funny how prospects on other teams are overhyped and likely to fail, but no such worries when it comes to Marlins prospects.
I like the deal for the Jays. It is depth. It fills a bullpen need.
The real key for the Jays possibilities in winking a championship is what they do balance of month leading up to trade deadline. They still need a #1 or #2 starter and an shutdown reliever.
From what I hear, I wouldn’t count on much from Borucki or Merryweather this year.
Odd…. I mean, good trade. But seems a bit earlier to pull the trigger on a trade for the Marlins. Yes, they are most likely already out of it, but no one is exactly dominating the East. Prob could have waited a tad longer to start selling, but oh well, expect more to come out of Miami in the coming weeks. I’m also calling it now, Braves will be sellers come the deadline. Freddie Freeman has an expiring contract hanging in the looms… could bring an solid return…. Just saying, watch out
Jesus Sanchez is up and it looks like he’s not going back down. Dickerson was clearly expendable at this point.
This feels like the Marlins just wanted to get something for Cimber. Good trade for the Blue Jays.
Nice little trade that sets them up for more.
Jays got money from the Marlins as well, so they probably keep Dickerson. Solid lefty bench bat and former gold glover.
Gurriel is decent player, good arm but probably the most replaceable player they have for a big trade.
Cimber is having a good year and is a rubber arm.
Nice trade for both teams.
Panik hasn’t played much since the Stripling spaz, which makes me wonder if he was looking to move on.
Can Dickerson play 3rd?
They have Santiago Espinal who is currently better, cheaper and younger as their extra infielder. They didn’t really need Panik anymore
The guy can play anywhere. Solid glove, contact hitter.
Perfect trade. Excellent for both teams. Toronto gets a solid reliever to help now and a left hand outfield bat. I really like the prospect for Miami. Could be a late inning guy.
Maybe a return to the AL will kick start some power back into Dickerson’s bat
Well Stripling will be happy Panik is gone.
Good deal for the Jays, gave up nothing for a little something. Pure salary dump for the Marlins. When Dickerson is ready he can bat 7th and DH once in a while.
Pure salary dump? Uh, so this has nothing to do with Jesus Sanchez ready and holding the job in LF now?
Dickerson was on the IL. So no.
I called for this with Dickerson being traded! Yes!
And Cimber being included is a bonus. Get all those bullpen bums out of Miami! Anthony Bass, you really need to be next.
If Cimber can refrain from walking 4 batters in a row to force in the winning run, he’ll be a huge upgrade for the Blue Jays. We’d love to have Bass back too.
Oh all of us Marlins fans would gladly give you Bass back. He’s been a disaster with us so bad that not only us Marlins fans hate him, but the grounds crew despises him because every night he pitches, they have to wash a urine trail that goes from the bullpen to the mound and then to the dugout.
Given your GM, we’ll gladly take Bass off your hands for nothing like Dickerson and Cimber.
Maybe focus on the lack of hitting your Marlins have. Your team struggles in one of the worst divisions in sports. More issues than just Bass.
You’re 100% right!
Except for the fact that the Marlins are over .500 vs the NL East and the Jays are under .500 vs the juggernauts that is the AL East.
Enjoy Cimber when Jays are up 5+ runs
Now check the Jays record against the NL East.
“You’re 100% right”. And then you say “except”. Not the best choice of words.
Marlin fans love their moral victories
In other unrelated stats, the Marlins have a better record than the Jays on days that begin with a T and have humidity levels >40% when they are on the road and have had one day of rest.
While our offense has struggled, Bass is one of the guys that has been handed leads and found a way to blow them, no matter the size. If you knew how our team’s games have gone, you’d know what we mean about our bullpen.
Sorry, but when relievers, Bass one of the main culprits, are blowing leads in the last couple of innings, your bullpen is a bigger problem than the offense because the offense has gotten them leads that they should not have blown as many times as they have.
And as the poster mentioned about Cimber blowing leads, I agree…enjoy him when he blows some nice, “secure” leads. Like I said, we’d gladly give you all Bass too. He and Cimber could take turns seeing who can blow games more and more implosively epic.
It has been so bad, this year was the first year since we had Kevin Gregg and Renyel “Ford” Pinto, that I was reminded of them. And guess which relievers it was that reminded me of those two disasters.
Mets fans love celebrating before the All Star Game. Not so much when they choke away a season…because we never see them around then, even though they blabber all season long up until their hope is gone.
@whynot moral victories or championships.
We’re content with either.
@neo you forget to include our W/L records against LHP VS RHP under those conditions which #1 in the league. Please remember to include all statistics. Thanks
We’ll take Bass back in T.O lol
Cult of Dickie Thon
Marlins dumping salary as normal. I expect they’ll look to move a few more veterans, including Marte, to reduce payroll and pick up some marginal prospects where possible.
Cult of Dickie Thon
Marlins have just $6.5M in committed salary next year right now and still talk about the necessity of payroll flexibility.
Marlins aren’t quite the joke they were under Loria but they aren’t far from it either.
I hope as a part of the next CBA there is a hard floor that requires all MLB teams to meet an annual minimum payroll threshold during the season.
From Jeff Passan today on needs of Baseball Teams as they push to the playoffs:
“• Starting pitching, high-leverage reliever pitching, middle-inning relief pitching, mop-up relief pitching, relief for relief pitching. Did I say they need pitching?”
Congratulations to Guerrero Jr. for winning the All-Star MVP. But I have a question why did Obtani get the win. He pitched the first inning and went scoreless, AL scored runs in the 2nd and 3rd which if the NL remained scoreless Obtani would have got the win. But the NL scored runs in the 5th and 6th innings. I realize the AL scored 2 more runs in the 5th but the two runs scored by the NL should have erased what Obtani did and either Evoldi, Soto or Bassitt.