Jacob deGrom left yesterday’s game with flexor tendonitis, per Anthony DiComo of MLB.com (via Twitter). Speaking after the game, deGrom continually stressed that though the concern was near his elbow, it wasn’t something that he was overly concerned about. He plans/hopes to make his next regularly scheduled start. Obviously, a healthy deGrom is crucial for the Mets’ title chances. They have a four-game lead for the division, thanks in large part to deGrom’s 0.56 ERA in 10 starts this season. The Mets have won 70 percent of deGrom’s starts this season versus 53 percent of games in which someone else takes the hill. In other Mets news…
- Brandon Nimmo has a new understanding of the hand injury that’s kept him out of action since the first couple days of May. Nimmo received a new diagnosis of a small ligament tear near the base of his left index finger. He was thought to be dealing with a nerve issue. Nimmo previously had started a rehab assignment, but stopped it short after continued discomfort. While the diagnostic clarity is helpful, the new information doesn’t change the plan for Nimmo: He will continue to rest until the finger is healed, tweets Dicomo. A rehab assignment,however, could start as soon as next week.
- Dicomo provides more position player updates: the Mets hope to have Jeff McNeil back next weekend and Michael Conforto the weekend after, per GM Zack Scott. The Mets have done well to stay atop the NL East while a good portion of their starting lineup has been out. McNeil’s flexibility would be particularly useful in covering for the numerous injuries the team has sustained this season.
- Carlos Carrasco, meanwhile, received a PRP injection, which is why he has not been throwing of late, per Dicomo. Carrasco’s torn right hamstring has not been healing on schedule. Certainly, the Mets expected to get more from Carrasco this season. To have him healthy at the end of the season has to be the priority now, however, so there should be no rush in getting him back to the hill before he is 100 percent healthy. Carrasco isn’t likely to return to the rotation until after the All-Star break, per DiComo.
deGrom’s arm is doing things humans shouldn’t be able to do. I’m glad he feels like he won’t miss a start. This is a special season from him.
My fear is he’s heading toward an inevitable second TJS. On average, they last about eight years and he’s well last that. Pitchers also showing a significant increase in velocity are higher candidates too. Hopefully he makes it through the season fine and has a chance to challenge Gibson’s modern ERA record, although MLB’s pending crackdown of grip substances could derail that too.
Trust me. That’ll derail a bunch of dodgers and yankee pitchers.. cough cough.., Cole Bauer’… Degrom is not using anything.
You’re so dumb if you actually think DeGrom has never used a grip enhancer
Well. That isn’t the only reason but..
I think they’re all using it. And I’m okay with it, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough. Lots of video of deGrom going to his belt often, but I think everyone knows deGrom would be the best in the league with or without the sticky stuff.
Because he would definitely admit it if he was right? Cough cough
He has never used.
VPH, every starter who’s a TOR guy right now is using something. 80% of the league does! It’s in more open use than roids in 2001. What idiots think the very best are somehow immune?
Do people really think Darvish had a magical post 33 return to youth by mistake??
Well, if we’re just going by spin rate, he probably isn’t using it. He’s only seen a 164 RPM increase on his fastball, which isn’t insane considering he’s added about 3.5 MPH of velo. In terms of just Bauer Units (RPM/MPH), he’s only had a .8 increase.
You can’t cherry pick stats and then say, hey this guy is cheating! Look at the games history. Players go up and down, bad years, career years, etc. Your methodology is flawed. You can’t determine who is cheating simply by looking at stats. You’re assuming certain trends are so unusual they must mean something, when the trend isn’t unusual at all. Again, in the case of Darvish, yea, players sometimes pick it up at 33 and suddenly have a better year then they’ve been having. That’s not a reason to slander someone.
He is clearly using and the evidence backs that up. Stop being biased.
What evidence? Go ahead, we’re waiting.
If you’re talking about darvish, go watch the video of his last start. He went to the glove before every pitch. He couldn’t have been more obvious
If you’re talking about degrom. Whatever he’s been using he’s been using likely for years. His spin rate wouldn’t magically jump if he’s been using it for years. Hence the latest rumors why teams are now giving stuff to their MiLB guys, so their spin rates don’t change when they hit the majors and they’re less likely to get popped
I hope you’re not a cop. If you’d let someone off of using something sticky in baseball just by looking at spin rate difference in one year, phew
Look at darvish’s last start cosmos. It’s all over the internet. And Don’t be a liar. He touched the inside of his glove before nearly every pitch. And when he miss threw a ball, he instantly stared at his fingers, tapped them together, then touched the same spot again
Cmon. If you’re gonna cheat do better
I’ll have to check it out. You may have a point. (Guess I didn’t have to wait long) I’m just slow to accuse based on what is more or less circumstancial evidence but I see your point.
@Cosmo There’s a video on deGrom too. Rubbing his belt after every pitch. I find that to be a bit weak though. None of these videos prove anything.
Yea I heard about that. I don’t think the cheating is as wide spread as many seem to. I won’t accuse Darvish and certainly not deGrom, but I asked for evidence and I suppose some evidence was presented so I’ll concede that point but I still think a lot of these accusations are baseless.
What’s interesting to me are the players reactions.They’re so widely divided…more so than the steroid era. Some players are vehemently against the use of these substances while others don’t care at all. It’s pretty wild.
Going to his belt is nothing. Look at his spin rates. They’ve barely changed the last few years. None of this BS 200+ rpm increase like Bauer and Cole. That’s how you know who’s using. DeGrom is not.
@bklnny67 That only tells us who just starting using. It doesn’t tell us who has bedn using all along. Either way, ut’s all speculation.
Metsfan22 supplies such amazing comedy to this site. I no joke pay extra attention to Mets articles just so I can get a few laughs in.
If a pitcher does something before every pitch, there’s a reason
Sorry you’re such a homer you can’t acknowledge that
Cosmos, I’m not one to quickly point fingers. And to an extent I don’t care about this stuff. It’s been happening since the dawn of time
It’s the extent that these substances work now that is causing the issue. But Rosin and sunscreen has been there as long as the sun was hot. It’s all technically cheating
But if you’re so obvious that it becomes a tic toc video that my wife finds without looking for it and she doesn’t care about baseball, it’s pretty freaking obvious. And I’m talking Darvish
Hey @dont let metsfan22 near young children, if you’re going to create a troll screen name to mock him, you would have been better selecting something with “Mets Hyperbole” in it. He’d absolutely follow your every word as factual if you did that.
Unless he has been using for years. then there wouldn’t be a Spin rate change.
Let’s just make the spitball legal.
I am one to take the same stance about the grip substances like I did when the PED issues started being addressed. You never know who’s doing what until they’re caught or there’s enough smoke seen to guess there’s a fire.
As for deGrom, the only thing I would question at this time is the same thing I’ve questioned about others like Verlander specifically – the increase of velo while being on the wrong side of 30. Unless medicine has made 32-35 the new 22-25, Something’s occurring that’s not natural when you see that. Father Time beats all of us, but medicine can always slow the process, so who knows. I’ll wait to see how this whole thing turns out with the crackdown on grip substances.
Also, if MLB wants to question why hitters are being dominated, I have an opinion that lays blame on the hitting aspects of the game. We hear about launch angle, which is indeed a factor. We also hear about the other major factor with hitters less capable to hit the ball to all fields like in past eras, so defensive shifts are highly effective strategies. However, I personally feel that a lot of this is the result of misuse of analytics in dismissing the value of batting average. With the dismissal of batting average, there has become an overvaluing of those “all-or-nothing” guys that are using launch angles. We are also seeing the overvaluing of guys that walk their way onto base rather than having the capabilities to actually hit the ball to get on base. While I know that I’ll be based for stating this, i will point out a thing I’ve said many times. Good pitchers, and any pitchers that are using grip substances are less likely to miss the spots in the strikezone they’re trying to hit during an AB. With that, those good pitchers are less likely to make those mistake pitches that “all-or-nothing” guys feast on. And they are less likely to walk those batters who essentially can only get on base via base on balls. With that, that’s a reason why we see so many pitchers dominating hitters. That’s a reason why we see so many no-hitters. These pitchers that are good and/or throwing strikes are facing a lot of hitters who aren’t very successful when they have to swing the bat against pitches that aren’t mistakes or “get-me-over” pitches. If they were facing more guys that actually hit for good batting averages, you’d see less dominance and less no-hitters, even with the grip substances. Again, for me, it isn’t just about the grip substances. There’s more blame to go around about why pitchers are dominating to the point of taking a reasonable amount of offense out of the game. Just my opinion.
Mets are even dumber than we all thought if they let him make that next start.
I didn’t realize he has only less than 80 career wins and age 33. He could easily be first non closer to get into the Hall of Fame with less than 200 wins. A question to all Met fans who’s better Seaver or DeGrom? Doc was great for a few seasons but not this dominant his entire career. Will DeGrom go down as greatest Met ever or is that still debatable until DeGrom brings a championship?
Still have to go with Seaver even though deGrom can still catch up. Even if you only count the Mets years, Seaver had more years of greatness. Longevity counts to me.
Seaver – was to the Mets in the late 60- 70’s what DeGrom is to the present day Mets. Seaver not only had the longevity- he was above average every year he pitched until the very end.
Depends how we’re defining greatness. Gooden had the single greatest season of any Met starter, but no one would suggest he was the greatest Mets starter. To have the best-ever title, it has to encompass a pitcher’s entire career, including what he did with the team in question. Seaver has over 100 career rWAR, including approximately 75 as a Met. DeGrom has a ways to go. (BTW Koufax is in the Hall with under 200 wins, so deGrom wouldn’t be the first.)
Single greatest season of any Met starter? That’d be Gooden ‘85 and it’s not even close. deGrom is awesome, but Gooden in ‘85 will probably never be beat.
@Cosmo: ‘deGrom is awesome, but Gooden in ‘85 will probably never be beat.’
deGrom is currently destroying Gooden in ’85. He’s having possibly the greatest season of all time. There’s a long way to go, but to say Gooden ‘will probably never be beat’ seems odd when deGrom has literally the best stats in the history of the game through 10 starts.
We’re not even halfway through the season and Gooden’s innings totals will still put him over deGrom. Gooden was a 13(!) bWAR in ‘85. deGrom is awesome, but he’s not touching that.
@Cosmo: Innings and WAR (a cumulative stat) don’t mean a whole lot when no pitcher goes deep into games anymore.
Further, Gooden had 12.2 bWAR in ’85 in 35 starts. deGrom has 3.9 through 10 starts. Gooden had 0.397 WAR/9 innings, deGrom has 0.548. Gooden’s ERA+ was 229. deGrom’s is 688 (!). And deGrom has almost almost 6 more K/9 than Gooden (14.5 vs 8.7).
Gooden’s season is an all-time great, but deGrom (so far, at least) is destroying it.
There’s so much season left. This is like talking about a no-hitter in the 4th inning. deGrom is likely not going to top Gooden’s season, but the fact that we’re talking about it shows you it’s a special season.
rct: not everything is relative. More innings = better season. deGrom is great, but Goodens one season was better. Basically I agree completely with VonPurpleHayes’ comment here.
@von: Totally agree. I said ‘there’s a long way to go’ and I stick by that, particularly considering the little nagging injuries deGrom has had so far. Could easily see him missing a few more starts or having a few bad starts as the competition stiffens.
@Cosmo: Totally disagree. Everything is relative; the game changes and you have to account for it. ‘More innings = better season’? Insanity. Pitchers are not allowed to pitch deep into games anymore unless it’s something special (no hitter/perfect game) or their pitch count is weirdly low.
deGrom can’t help it that the game has changed. But his stats blow Gooden’s out of the water, and I say this as a big Gooden/Mets fan. Drop 1985 Gooden into 2021 baseball and tell me who you’d pick to start a game, deGrom or Gooden. So far, you’d have to say deGrom by a mile.
By your ‘more innings = better season’ metric, Pud Galvin’s 1884 is the best season ever. 20.4 WAR, threw over 600 innings. Better season, right?
I stand by my point. In terms of Pud Galvin: as Bill James says, 19th century baseball isn’t really baseball. 1980s ball is similar to today’s game. A 1.50 ERA or whatever certainly IS more impressive in 270+ innings than it is in 190 innings, ‘85, or ‘21 or whatever. Going all the way back to the 1800s doesn’t serve your point.
Cosmo2 –
Won’t be beat with a .56 ERA? I think he’s got a better chance than you’re giving him credit for. I was around for that magical season by Gooden, and it was freakin incredible, but you’ve got to give credit where its due.
@Cosmo: ‘ 1980s ball is similar to today’s game’
I don’t agree. The game has changed a ton since Gooden’s 1985 season. 1985 is almost 40 years ago. In 2019, the league leader in complete games had 3. In 1985, the league leader had 24! It’s a completely different game from the perspective of starting pitching.
As to this point:
‘A 1.50 ERA or whatever certainly IS more impressive in 270+ innings than it is in 190 innings, ‘85, or ‘21 or whatever.’
I think you’re changing the conversation here. Of course a 1.50 ERA in 270 innings is more impressive than one in 190 innings. But that’s not the conversation. deGrom has a 0.56 ERA. Gooden’s ERA+ was 229. deGrom’s is 688. He will throw far fewer innings, but could potentially have much, much more effective innings.
More (again, with the caveat that it’s still early):
Gooden: ERA+ 229, FIP 2.13, WHIP 0.965, H/9 6.4, BB/9 2.2, K/9 8.7
deGrom: ERA+ 688, FIP 0.92, WHIP 0.531, H/9 3.7, BB/9 1.1, K/9 14.5
He is blowing Gooden’s numbers away. It’s not even close. Just to circle back to the original point, I find it odd to say that Gooden ‘will probably never be beat’ when there’s a guy right now who is destroying his numbers (so far, lots of ball left).
Yes IF deGrom finishes the year with an ERA below 1.00, that’ll probably beat Goodens year, but newsflash: he won’t. He’s awesome but all he needs to do is give up more than one run per start, even like 1.25 runs will push that ERA way up. He’ll still be the best but let’s not judge an entire season that hasn’t finished yet before it’s even halfway done.
Again, rct, I don’t think it’s relative. A pitcher who pitches less innings should have that held somewhat against them. Ask deGrom to pitch 250 innings and watch the ERA rise. 1985, 2021, doesn’t matter.
DeGrom is not a HOF pitcher. He is a HOF talent and a HOF medical patient. But he has missed more starts than he has wins. Why is it that NY fans think their players are so much much better than anyone elses?
deGrom may not have HOF credentials just yet, but you’re judging him by wins? He keeps up this pace a year or two more he’s a definite HOFr. Hating on the best pitcher in baseball isn’t a good look.
DeGrom will be a Hall of Fame pitcher if he pitches even at his previous levels for the next 3-4 years. Name the other pitchers in this era that are as good as him or even in the conversation..
Scherzer, Verlander, Kershaw – all easily Hall of Famers.
Wins are a stat of the past. Sandy Koufax pitched an abbreviated career and got in. DeGrom will have incredible numbers when his career is over outside of wins.
Dodgers fan here. Because deGrom IS so much better than anyone else’s pitchers right now.
Not to mention, Koufax only had 5 really good years. Prior to that, he was just above average. DeGrom has been good for several years and incredible for 4 including this year. If he can stay healthy this year and finish on his current path – both very big IFs, this season alone could make him Hall of Fame worthy.
“ DeGrom will be a Hall of Fame pitcher if he pitches even at his previous levels for the next 3-4 years. Name the other pitchers in this era that are as good as him or even in the conversation..
Scherzer, Verlander, Kershaw – all easily Hall of Famers.”
And they all have pitched about 3x as long as Degrom. Longevity matters. He JUST started in the league when Kershaw won his 3rd CYA, and they’re the same age
Degrom is also better than the first two you said… Kershaw was dominating longer so I give it to him for now. But Kershaw wishes he was ever as good as Degrom in now. In terms of stuff poise and numbers.
Just stop MF22. You sound so stupid. Kershaw had 3 CYA before Degrom threw a major league pitch. He’s thrown more than 1000 innings since his last CYA to a sub 3 ERA. Their careers are not close to equal
You clearly never watched Kershaw BEFORE pelican grip
NY fans are no different in that manner than other fans. You’d be sure deGrom was in the process of building a HOF career if he pitched for your favorite team too.
I know Kershaw has had a better career… that wasn’t my point….
Kershaw had 2 before degrom debuted. Kershaw won his third in 2014 which is the same season degrom won rookie of the year.
Kershaw could retire now and he’s in the HOF. He is going after upper tier HOF status for the rest of his career – which could easily be another 150-200 starts.
Degrom isn’t going to have the same career length of Kershaw so degroms way in to the HOF is with dominance over a shorter period of time. This doesn’t mean that Kershaw wasn’t as dominant – but it’s the same point that Kershaw could retire now and get in. Degrom is still 3-4 years of cy young caliber away after this season.
Longevity matters, except that when you’re Koufax or deGrom, it kinda doesn’t. Criticizing deGrom’s greatness credentials is kind of an odd hill to choose to fight on.
Cosmos even koufax pitched a dozen years. And “well it happened to Koufax, maybe a top 5 pitcher in his prime ever, so it can happen again” is the weakest argument you can make
I’m the one dying on a bad hill?
We got people here pretending 10 starts is equal to 40 starts of dominance. We go people here thinking a 8 season career is a hall of famer. And the justification is one of the best EVER had this happen fifty/sixty years ago AND NO ONE SINCE… so it’s gonna happen to degrom
But I’m the one dying on a dumb hill
The starting pitchers in the Hall got there by their WIN total, among other stats, so yes, if you are talking HOF, it starts by talking Wins. You get a win as a starter by pitching innings, and pitching better than the opposing pitcher. If you can’t pitch better than the opposing starter, you can’t qualify for the win, and don’t deserve HOF consideration.
deGromis the best pitcher in the game at the moment and has been up in that realm for several years now. He only needs another, what, two years of this to essentially equal Koufax, who is an all time great. So, yes, arguing against deGron’s greatness is a very odd battle to pick.
stymee, judging pitchers by win totals went out with the do-do. Just know your opinion contradicts the opinions of EVERY modern baseball expert, not to mention math, stats, logic etc…
I think in DeGrom’s case, it’s because the stats say he is. I’m not a NY fan at all, but take a step back and look at things with an unbiased and non-judgemental eye. As far as the rest of the players go, that’s New Yorkers at their finest. How do you think Jeter would have been remembered if he played in Cleveland instead?
I always comp deGrom and Koufax in the sense that it isn’t their entire career as much as it is a significant stretch of absolute dominance. deGrom will never have a pretty win total, but he’s been absolutely dominant for at least 3 seasons. Like unrealistically good. That’s enough for the Hall IMO.
Von: I agree with your premise, although I think DeGrom may need to continue his dominance for a year or two to cement his HOF status. Sustained league dominance over a 4-5 year period within a career has repeatedly been enough to get players into the HOF even if the rest of their career numbers are less rosy.
If he is a HOF’er now where is the Johan love? No way he is currently in!
Johan was never as good as deGrom has been. Really not even close. Johan falls short of the HOF.
I agree with @Cosmo2 on the innings and longevity thing.
I’ll bring in a thing that has me thinking along the lines of @Cosmo2. I saw how baseball was in those 80s and I understand the importance of dominating or pitching well in more innings. Back then, the top pitchers were able to give you more innings in single game averages and in seasonal totals. Also, getting a no-decision was mentally considered like a loss for a pitcher, which is why wins mattered back then – and why pitchers who can consistently win 15+ now are still respected. Pitchers that lasted longer in games, won the games – there wasn’t a no-decision. You had to pitch your game through facing a lineup that rolled over 3 or 4 times. Now this is for the top pitchers of that era. Now what makes a lot of us look at someone like deGrom differently, and why I side with @Cosmo2 about the innings is because of the many other pitchers I saw back then who were good at dominating for 5 or 6 innings, but couldn’t cut it when they had to go into the 7 and 8th innings – through the lineup rolling over for that third time, and packing their stats with no-decisions. Those pitchers were looked on as lesser pitchers back then, than the guys that were able to bring the team to a win on his own back.
I will now give an example that pertains specifically to the Mets for you all. While Gooden was dominating in the early part of his career, he had his teammate Sid Fernandez. Anyone that remembers him, remembers that he would mow down a lineup for 5 or 6 innings. The problem was that he had issues when the lineup would roll over to the third ABs because they’d start hitting him or he’d lose control from fatigue. He also, like many others that struggled to get into the later innings, had issues with his pitch counts (very common in today’s game). If Sid Fernandez were in today’s game with today’s standards and style of play, he would be one of MLB’s top tier pitchers because his managers would strategize around letting him dominate for 5 or 6 innings before handing the ball over to the bullpen. He, like deGrom, would have many no-decisions on his record, and probably would win a Cy Young Award or two while having low win totals. There were many guys like him back in the previous eras. That’s why a lot of us value longevity and feel that a pitcher that dominates for more innings has had a better season than a guy who hasn’t come close in innings. Sorry, but a guy that can consistently roll through lineups for 7-9 innings has performed better than the guy that has done it for 6-7, with occasionally going further. And that’s before I even get into consistent pitch counts from game to game.
Mlbnyyfan,Koufax was the best I ever saw.As great as he was,his win total of 165 doesn’t take away from his total domination.de Grom is having a similar career.He too belongs in the HOF
Individual greatness and team championships shouldn’t even be mentioned together, especially with large rosters.
The Mets need to fire their medical staff. Nimmo and Davis having setbacks left and right.
It isn’t just the Mets. The injuries to star players is all over the sport. You can blame it on a lot of reasons but medical staffs aren’t the issue. Injuries are up in all sports it seems.
Misdiagnosis is consistent with this team and has been for a long time. Absolutely a reason to fire them.
They already fired staff a few years back over this, it’s not the same trainers.
No. Every team has injuries this year. Teams that have re-injuries or setbacks, well that indicates their training staff isn’t handling the increase in soft tissue injuries very effectively
But there has to be a consistent variable in order to say the problem has been going on for years. New ownership, new management, new training staff… I don’t know that we can definitively say they are at fault for this, but who knows?
Realistically, we don’t know what doctors were and weren’t fired. Most of us just assume it was a complete firing because they got rid of the medical trainers.
I honestly don’t think they fired majority of the doctors, but it’s me guessing. For a club to have these many injuries for this extensive time period… is it coincidence or are there some consistencies of the staff involved? I’d have to dig into it, but I’m not really that interested 🙂
That’s true. So, if that’s the case, the remaining folks should be fired because this problem HAS been going on for years and years.
Time to get the Mets and other teams to mix in some yoga classes to their training routines. All these premiere athletes are wound so tight they are bound to pull/tear something. Todd Pratt could not get out of his own way in his minor league years because after an 0-4 with 4 Ka night, he would go i to the weight room and lift weights. He would then go 2-20 with 11 k’s after it. Increase your flexibility, guys!
I second your motion, Eastern League Veteran. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Yoga helps more than weight lifting in all sports.
I’m pretty sure some major leaguers do use yoga, but you could be correct in that it should perhaps be emphasized more, even over things like weight lifting which may contribute to these injuries. Flexibility is likely better than pure strength.
I should have said misdiagnosis rather than setbacks. No doubt that injuries are up but it seems the Mets have found bigger issues in second or third opinions.
MetsFan22: The Mets will be better than Dodgers when healthy, the Mets maybe the scariest team alive with a AAA team.
Yeah he makes us Mets fans embarrassed a bit but he sounds like a young kid. So I can understand that . Most of us aren’t delusional like that. Especially those of us who lived through 1973, 1988,1999, 2000, 2006, 2007, and 2008. Hell, I even kept my season tickets and went to games during 2003 & 2004… dark times in our history.
ha, my dad took me to some games in the 1990-1993 era. Dark times indeed. But at least the tickets were cheaper!
Oof…I remember 1993. You guys had all those switch hitters, and added Bret Saberhagen if I remember correctly. Your media all but guaranteed a division title for the Mets, but then they go on to finish in last with over 100 losses…even finishing behind the expansion Marlins in their inaugural season. And of course, as a Marlins fan, in the years that we didn’t make the playoffs, it was a pleasure to my team burn the Mets in both 2007 and 2008.
But there are some odd ironic moments…like Jeff Torborg from your early 1990s disasters later became our manager…but was fired early in 2003 to salvage our season. Somehow he had the eventual World Series Champions in last place when he managed them.
And Jose Reyes, who ticked the Marlins and the Nationals off into purposely burning the Mets in 2007 and 2008 later became our SS in the forgetful 2012 season where everything went wrong.
As for @MetsFan22, he’s actually a grown man in his 20s. He’s not a kid. I personally feels that he’s just one of those type of dimwits that SNY and E!SPN creates that really don’t know a sport, but think they know a sport after watching the sensationalist or homer-based style of broadcasting…or, as Ron Darling describes it, Mets Hyperbole.
If he misses 2 weeks it’s going to be so much better when we win the division by 10+ games with our AAA team. Truly the most talented team.
There is no chance of the Mets winning by 10+ games. The easy part of their schedule ends now and while the Mets are getting healthy so are the Marlins, Braves and Phillies. The Mets replacement players have been better than their starters. This is a good team. Very possibly playoff bound, but the NL East is still mediocre and even the Mets haven’t won more than 6 in a row.
If deGrom misses ANY time through over the next few weeks, NYM isn’t in first place by mid-July if winning only half of games started by anyone other than deGrom. Even if they’re getting back McNeil/Conforto.
NL East winner won’t be the best of the division, they’ll be the least of the worst. Seems like everyone doesn’t want to win — and if deGrom/Scherzer are out for much time, that’ll continue, giving an opening for MIA/PHI to gain some ground.
Mets on pace to win 91 games with half their rotation and lineups missing… “best of the worst””” naw that just the race for 2nd place….
Thor hasn’t pitched for them in 2 years. Carrasco never has, yet you claim them. Cute.
Winning with half your rotation only proves my point.
@RunDMC: ‘giving an opening for MIA/PHI to gain some ground.’
You mean ATL/PHI? Because MIA is cooked already. Washington might be done already as well, Scherzer or not.
WSH is in last and they’re 8 games out. Mets have a very tough road trip ahead. Mets are looking good, but no one in the NLE is cooked. This division is very much up for grabs.
No, I mean it’s anyone’s to lose, especially if 2 of the best SPs (deGrom/Scherzer) in the East are out for much time. MIA has one of the hottest bats on the planet right now in Marte and with their pitching, they are still in it, not to mention if they can get Sixto back for any part of the year. Until any team puts together a significant winning streak, every team is still in it with almost two-thirds of the season left.
ha, I’m being biased for sure, but I’m branding the Marlins as cooked. Seven games under .500 already and they’ve been healthier than most of the division. I think Washington is done, too. I think the Mets, Phillies, and Braves are going to pull away from them. I still think the Braves will go on a tear and overtake the Mets.
Thinking you’re right. Mets have been winning with luck. Believe the Braves will click and right the ship. However the three veteran teams ( Dodgers, Giants, Cubs) are the class of the National League. All have recent World Series titles and no one will beat the Dodgers this fall except for the White Sox.
RJ, So you’re guaranteeing that either the White Sox or the Dodgers will be champs? At this point in the season? Isn’t that kind of absurd? Plus what does a WS championship 5 years ago have to do with what a team can do now? Nothing. Kind of a ridiculous take you’ve got here.
The Mets would be 7.5 games behind the Giants, 6.5 games behind LA and 2 games behind SD. They would be near-guaranteed sellers in the NLW this year
None of those teams have been ANYWHERE close to 100% healthy for the year. So no. It’s not just your injuries
And that’s pretending all the Mets’ cheap wins from the NLE would transfer over against much better competition. The Mets are not that good. Sorry beating up other crap teams has altered your perception of reality. Stay up late. Try it. Watch actual good baseball. Then you’ll know just how bad the Mets are
If those teams had the the injuries. (Not just the number of players but the number of impact players) that the Mets have had. The Mets would be first in the NL west. Get the heck out of here with “they would be sellers”
The Padres have the most days missed in baseball
The dodgers arguably have the most star power that has been on the IL. The giants have been the leaders of all of baseball since the start of the year
The Mets haven’t had the injuries the other teams have. Yet they’d be 7 games out of first and in 4th place! Bro. We know it’s your favorite team. That doesn’t magically make them the best. If you can acknowledge that, people will take you way more seriously
@BeforeMcCourt While I agree, I’d also point the Mets just took 3 out of 5 from the Padres. So the timing of this comment doesn’t look great, but I do think with some more against the Pads, Giants and Dodgers coming up, we will finally see if the Mets are the real deal.
@VonPurpleHayes
I agree about us now being able to see what the Mets are. They did get fortunate that the Padres have slumped when they happen to face them, but I doubt they’ll be lucky for the games they have over the next month with the tougher out of the division games along with the games against divisional rivals.
After this month of games, we’ll all have a better picture of the NL East. I for one am curious to see how this turns out. Of course, as a Marlins fan, I would have to be considering how our season has been with injuries to key players and blown saves by a very disappointing bullpen.
The one thing I will say for now is that I commend the entire NL East for having me switch between games during the Marlins commercial breaks. Scoreboard watching in June! It wouldn’t be so bad if this division was tight all season long. This is fun and what baseball is all about.
The 2006 Cardinals won the World Series after finishing 83-78 in regular season. The 2007 Rockies finished with a 90-73 record (second in the NL West) and swept the Phillies and D-backs to reach the World Series. The post-season is a crap shoot. Anyone who gets in has a chance.
@MetsFan22
Simple facts that I’m sure that your Mets Hyperbole on SNY and PIX have neglected to let you know as indicated in your efforts to talk about how great the Mets are, while ignoring your division rivals.
Marlins are 12-6 against the Mets, Braves and Phillies – 5-1 against Braves; 4-3 against Phillies; 3-2 against Mets (really 3-1 without Ron Kulpa’s victory for the Mets). Marlins have 8 late-inning blown saves (8th inning or later).
Mets are 12-4 against the Rockies, D-Backs and O’s. Not so great against the rest.
Do the math…if you’re capable.
The Mets are in first place. If they are not good then the entire sport is upside down. I’ll never get fans that can never just admit that, yea, the Mets are good this year. They could win the WS and some fans would have an excuse why they’re still no good.
The Mets are a good team, no doubt, and they’re a team that should get stronger with health. That said, they’ve also been a bit lucky. The NL East was supposed to be the best division, but the division has greatly underperformed, being mostly mediocre. The Mets record against teams with winning records is abysmal. They’ve also played the fewest games against winning teams, so that softer schedule to date has helped them stay atop their division.
They’ve been both lucky (McKinney and others over-performing) and incredibly unlucky (injuries). I think it balances out. This team is exactly what the record says it is.
@Cosmo I think everyone knows or should know the Mets are good. I think a lot of people, including myself, feel the need to correct MetsFan22’s ridiculous claims about the Mets being an elite team. Big difference between good and elite.
Yea, I get that this is a factor. But some take their hatred of the Mets (maybe hatred is too strong a word) almost as far as some take their extreme homer-ism. I would agree that the Mets are definitely not yet at the elite level. In fact, I think their grip on first place is more tenuous than it appears, but still gotta I’ve them credit for what they’ve done so far.
Lol soon you’ll be like..// that dude was right… funny how your calling it ridiculous….
95 to 103 wins
Jazz Chisholm won’t hit.
Let me see…I think we all know that the difference between you and a blind squirrel is that when you both find your nut, one of you will be very thankful to finally have a meal, while the other will party up with that one nut and pretend that he wasn’t wrong about the many many many many many times he was wrong about where he thought he’d find one and will think he can look in the same place again afterward and will find another. Guess which of the these two is you.
Where’s that Platelet Enriched Plasma shot for Nimmo?
How about a CastIron-let?
Mets and Padres have not impressed me. Both are on the upswing and have great prospects for the future but neither has what it will take in October 2021.
I haven’t seen it discussed, but could part of all these increased spin rates be in part ball related?
Have the seems changed or the feel of the ball?
Is the issue with using something to enhance grip a concern because of enhancing a pitcher’s performance and/or leaving a foreign residue on the ball or both? I would think the former would help some hitters not getting plunked on the head by a pitcher having trouble w the grip. The latter should not be allowed, so it would seem like the use of this stuff should depend on quantity used.