Brandon Workman has opted out of his contract with the Boston Red Sox. They now have less than 48 hours to decide whether or not to add him to the active roster, per Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com. The 32-year-old returned to the Red Sox after being released by the Cubs at the end of April. He put up a 6.75 ERA in 10 appearances with Chicago, but followed that up with a 1.29 ERA over seven innings for the Triple-A Red Sox. He racked up strikeouts at both spots with a combined 30.0 percent strikeout rate. As has been the issue with Workman in the past, however, his control has been spotty (15.7 percent walk rate). If Boston decides not to add him to their active roster, Workman will again be a free agent. Elsewhere around the game…
- Diamondbacks’ ace Zac Gallen threw at 90-feet today, and he’s scheduled to throw a bullpen tomorrow to truly begin the road back to the active roster, per the Athletic’s Zach Buchanan (via Twitter). After starting the season on the injured list, Gallen returned with five strong outings from April 13th to May 7th, but he landed back on the IL with a UCL sprain.
- Fernando Tatis Jr. left today’s game against the Cubs in the sixth inning, though there was no apparent injury at the time. The Padres did not waste much time in acknowledging his removal (via Twitter); he exited as a precautionary measure due to oblique tightness. Given his level of stardom, his central role on a contender, and the myriad injuries he’s dealt with so far this season, any health issue for Tatis Jr. rates as a potential game-changer. He did not seem particularly perturbed at the time of his exit, however, and there’s no reason to do anything but take the Padres’ at their word and hope the injury is, at it seems, a minor one.
Hopefully he comes back for the Mets series! Degrom vs tatis is good!
My prediction is tatis will get more DL stints than degrom gets wins before playoffs
Degrom will get 15-20 wins at least this year
Is that his 20/21 totals? You need run support to win
Metsfan, you’re delusional. 15-20, LOL! He’s only won 15 games once and it was in 2017. I do think you could easily say 10-15 and not be laughed at, though.
Philliesphan77: MetsFan22 is ALMOST ALWAYS delusional.
workman should be added to the roster. smart pick up by the sox
Add Workman and send down Brewer. Brewer got shelled for 4 runs and three walks in his first appearance
Brewer is 1 of those tools everyone falls in love with who has high spin rate, but is still useless. He should have been gone 2y ago. Valdez can also be optioned, but Workman will require a 40man spot, which should be no trouble anyway. lots of options out there.. brewer, Wilson, Potts. Taking a chance with Workman is an easy call.
Agree John except it’s too early to give up on Potts who I believe would be snapped up if available. What is also interesting is the soon to be completed AB trade. My guess is Bloom will choose three young players who won’t soon have to be added to the 40.
If Brandon blows a lead while pitching, shouldn’t his team be entitled to Workman’s compensation?
PTBNL cannot be part of a 40 man roster so no issues for the Sox there. They can be a year away though…
Thanks Dorothy. Although I was thinking longer term like A ball players, I also forgot that rule when I earlier commented.
DFA Brewer is the easy answer. Brewer is terrible and a waste of a 40-man spot. DD acquired Brewer for a AAA 2B, and he has been bad since he was acquired.
Why do people say things like this. He was quite useful in 2019, and crappy since then. Anytime you get an RP, especially a throw-away arm that you can pitch 2-3 innings, and not worry about burnout, at minimum wage, is a useful asset.
I don’t know why you and johnsilver don’t recognize that he had a good 2019.
Seems like Tatis is constantly getting injured or tweaking something. Given that he’s so young I wonder how well he’ll hold up as he gets older.
I am surprised to hear Tatis is injured, NOT!
Mr Fragile.
If he’s fragile, what does that make the rest of us? Dead?
I guess you were going for witty with that one, huh? Fail.
You’re poking fun at someone who at age 22 has already accomplished more than you will in your entire life.
Semantics. There are way more important things in life than baseball. Oh, by the way, I’ve been on a team that won a championship. Has he?
You can accomplish things in life without being a baseball player. I’ll put a member of our armed forces accomplishments up against his, anyday. Or a surgeon. Or a teacher. Will he hit more HRs? Whoop de do! Doesn’t really matter in the real world. If the apocalypse happened tomorrow, who would you add to your compound? Tatis, Jr, or a carpenter?, a plumber?, a mechanic? But, but, but….he accomplished so much more by age 22! Well, he accomplished something, anyway. Its just while what he accomplished is entertaining, its not much.
LOL
It must be some kid of award or something
Kind
And I remember so many people here swearing that Tatis would miss the rest of this year AT LEAST when he partially dislocated his shoulder. Not only did he only miss 10 days from that, he is also currently leading mlb in HR and OPS DESPITE missing that time. If he didn’t get injured he would already have 20-HR or so.
Good sir vald jr and acuna currently hold the hr lead
At this moment, Tatis 1.069 OPS is second to Vladdy’s 1.104 (Vlad was 4-for-4 tonight with a 2B and a HR). NL MVP at this point is Max Muncy. Steve Garvey was never close to being this good and he won one.
Btw, Vladdy 2 now leads the AL in hits, homers, BA, OBP, Slugging, and OPS, and is one behind Abreu for the lead in RBI. The only one of those categories his father ever led a league in was hits (once). Vladdy 2 has a chance to lead in all of them at age 22.. Son better than father. The folks who made all the fat jokes are pigging out in front of the TV and unavailable for comment.
Vladdy has been great this year but he is going to have to watch his weight carefully for his entire career. He has the body type where one bad weekend can put 15 lbs on his frame. I was very happy to see him work so hard this offseason to get in better shape, but he is going to have to be vigilant going forward if he wants to continue to be an all-star caliber player. The older he gets, the harder it will be to stay in shape. He got dad’s baseball skills but I’m guessing he got mom’s body genes. He should be super motivated to stay in shape after how this season has gone for him. He is definitely in the MVP conversation right now.
Vlad Jr. is like MANY thick players in baseball. People will always put him down for his size and compliment him for looking in shape when he really has NOT changed much. it’s part of the judgment process that comes with each body type. EVERY player could allow their weight to balloon up so they all should be careful as they age. Some do and some don’t. Some make the HOF despite being big and some don’t. Vlad has the same issues ahead of him that have confronted players like Devers and Panda.
Toronto, unlike Boston, was smart and moved him to a position where quick starts and odd throwing angles won’t be a daily risk. Collisions with runners will be his biggest danger in the field. Also, the move to 1st should reduce the risk of putting on unwanted weight. Since Vlad Jr. dominated the minors everyone expected more from him in year 1 but he’s where he should be. He was the best player in the minors when Acuna and Tatis were there and he will be an annual MVP threat for the next decade. Superior hand eye coordination and greater strength than most will carry him to multiple MVPs.
As far as injuries go. Harper was to best in the minors when he came up and he got passed by Trout when he couldn’t stay healthy. Trout’s success has dwindled due to injuries but it took him many years before that happened. Tatis being injury prone reminds me more of Harper than Trout and that will probably translate into many years struggling to stay healthy but greatness when healthy, just like Harper.
Acuna will be interesting to observe over the next few years because he has the potential to make a run at MVP every year if he stays healthy.
VGJR was out of shape last year plain and simple. Panda has never been a bodybuilder type but clearly ate himself out of a job in Boston, no need to sugarcoat it. As for Devers, he too while never being in such obvious out of shape condition is definitely faster on the base paths this year. As for his position, the only answer I can come up with is the team must have quietly seen enough to realize he simply can’t play first base. Nothing else makes sense as to why they haven’t publicly tried him there. I’d rather have JDM in left at home with Devers DHing but then I worry about JDM staying healthy. The more he plays the field, the more risk he has to injuries.
Toronto, unlike Boston,
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Is your PC pre-programmed to insert a Boston insult into every comment? Because I have no idea what this means. By year-end, I’d be comfortable with moving Devers off of 3rd, but he has all the talent needed to be well above average. he just lacks the focus. There was no chance they would move him to 1st without giving him a shot at 3B.
In fact, a possible move to 1st has a lot more to do with Dalbec than Devers. If Dalbec doesn’t hit, then we have no 3B. And if Casas continues to play well, then we don’t need a 1B either.
Nothing else makes sense as to why they haven’t publicly tried him there.
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They have Dalbec, and then they will have Casas. And they don’t know if JD is opting out. The best alignment, by far imo, is to continue to play Devers at 3rd. Over the winter, we should have more insight into whether Dalbec can hit, or Casas’ timing, and if JDM will still be a RS player.
loole – I’m on the same page with regard to Devers and JD playing outfield. The team defense would be better by it might mean a dozen or more less games for JD due to injury..
VGJR being out of shape shows just how complacent players can get when things are going well for them. To be the best, they can’t just Babe Ruth it and it’s going to happen. Modern baseball dictates a higher degree of training and better food consumption.
JB – Devers at 3B CAN’T be the best situation since he’s so bad defensively. They have Dalbec who is better. They have Chavis who isn’t good but is better. They need a spot for Devers and DH is the logical spot since he simply can’t field. My opinion is they should have move JD to 1B, Dalbec to 3B and Devers to DH. Maybe JD won’t be a stud 1B but he’s less likely to get hurt than the outfield and when they give Devers a day off he can DH.
JD’s contract will end about the time Casas is ready to be promoted. DD planned that one out for Bloom. Bloom simply has to not screw it up like so many other things he has screwed up. Benny should still be in leftfield, Mookie in right field and Duran the CF replacing JBJ when he is ready. The DD plan made sense. Bloom doesn’t seem to have a plan. He’s throwing a bunch of scenarios against the wall and seeing if any stick.
1-Chavis can’t hit yet, and his fielding % in the minors is .918, so we don’t know if he can field.
2-JD has never played 1st, so we don’t know if he can field.
3-Even if we assume that JD can play 1st, then the Dalbec experiment is over. And while we can’t wait forever on Dalbec, I’d like to give him the rest of the year.
The Sox were never going to pay Mookie what the Dodgers are paying him and the Dodgers were able to use the pandemic shortened season to their advantage in getting him to sign an extension without ever hitting free agency. If MLB has a normal season last year and teans were making money and Mookie puts up his numbers who knows what uniform Betts would be wearing right now.
Benintendi needed the change of scenery and good for him that he is doing well in KC after a slow start.
J.D. is just a DH at this point. The fact that Cora keeps putting him in LF is concerning because they really can’t afford for him to miss any significant time due to injury.
Devers is terrible at 3B but I’m not sure that with his offensive struggles that moving Dalbec to 3B is the answer. Let Dalbec get his feet under him and then in a couple of years decide between Dalbec and Casas who will man which corner
Rsox – If Boston was too cheap to pay Mookie his fair market value after making hundreds of millions in profits while he took them to a World Championship, that says volumes about the owners. If he wanted out because the owners are racist, that says volumes about the owners. Either way, if you DON’T pull the premature trigger in January and the pandemic hits the Mookie situation is completely different.
Remember the sequence of events. Many thoughts about starting on time, then later, then later and finally in late July. Mookie had a great year and started fast so when LAD was trailing SD in July they would have paid more to get Mookie than the meager deal Bloom got in January. Also, at that point in time, ATL would have jumped in the bidding because they were also looking to run away with a championship in the shortened season. They have lots of minor league pitching and Ian Anderson had not gotten on a hot streak yet. Who knows if Boston would have had Anderson instead of Verdugo and the two scrubs. San Diego has plenty of young pitching too. By doing a January deal, Bloom reduced the bidders from at least 3 to 1 and got very little for the second best player in baseball.
Benny DID NOT need a change of scenery. He needed patience like the Red Sox have shown a 3B who can’t field, a center fielder who couldn’t hit and a manager who can’t stop cheating. That’s what Benny needed. ONE season below 100 OPS+ !! $6.6M for a guy with those credentials is not an overpay. All he needed was for the organization to support him. They didn’t, just like Mookie. Benny will finish his career above 100 OPS+ because he’s a quality outfielder. He’s not a super star but he is consistent and above league average. They could have paid him for that level of contribution and he would have completed his career in Boston.
JD needs to be a DH but so does Devers. JD probably could play 3B as well as Devers but Dalbec can play it better so you get the slug off 3B and put him somewhere he can’t hurt you as much. Either DH or 1B. If he can’t play 1B which wouldn’t shock ANYONE since he has such bad fielding fundamentals, then he must be a DH. Based on balls hit to LF versus 3B, JD can do less damage in LF than Devers does at 3B. The goal is to maximize the defense and that can’t happen with Devers at 3B.
Would JD or Devers be the better 1B with Dalbec at 3B? That’s simple. JD would be better. He’s taller. He can’t have as bad a pair of hands as Devers. We already know Devers can’t scoop based on the way he plays 3B so JD can’t be any worse at scooping. JD catches pop-ups and Devers is terrible at them. Thus, I say play JD at 1B and let Devers DH since he has no discernible defensive skills.
Dalbec’s hitting issues are normal. Players come up get hot and pitchers adjust. Then hitters get cold until they adjust. Dalbec is in a normal first adjustment period. Once he works through it he will hit again and that happens regardless of where he is playing. He’s been a 3B much longer than a 1B so he’s comfortable there.
I completely agree with you about putting JD in the outfield. Just another Cora brain cramp and he has lots of them. Why risk your top hitter pulling a muscle or running into a wall when you could put them at 1B? JD is doing too well to trade him right now so as the Red Sox drop 10 games back of 3rd in the division the Red Sox should trade him to a contender who needs him. That solves the Devers problem. That opens the door for Casas in a year or two and allows one of Bloom’s two dozen utility guys to play either 1st or 3rd depending how the organization sees Casas and Dalbec pairing up in the future.
JB – Lets not rehash your hatred for Chavis. I agree that he has not proven to be a viable long term solution for the Red Sox. He’s still a better fielder than Devers but you probably are too!!
If it comes down to JD or Devers at 1B I pick JD based on height, arm length, general fielding skills and sight unseen scoop ability. We already know Devers is a butcher because his hands are bad, his footwork is bad and he has limited range due to his slow reaction time. JD is more likely to have higher skills than Devers without ever having played there. Devers is simply that bad on defense. If nothing else, JD will be better on pop-ups (one of Devers many weaknesses). So I’ll take JD at 1B without seeing him play it over Devers without seeing him play it.
Your #3 is missing the fact that Dalbec would play 3B if JD plays first. The experiment as you call it would NOT be over and it’s not an experiment.
JB you need to realize why Dalbec is playing 1B not 3B where he belongs. Ownership plays favorites. Devers playing 3B is a travesty but ownership is probably trying to keep some political deal in place that Devers is tied to. He never earned his job. He represents a tunnel of Latin talent that the Red Sox think they will be able to tap going forward and if they move him maybe another team gets the edge on that talent. Devers is a political mistake by the Red Sox. Someone has leverage on the Red Sox and that’s what keeps him at 3B despite sucking so badly.
Colleges do it. They play players from specific big time high schools to keep the tunnel active in hopes of future HS stars going their way since they did such a solid on the first player from that HS. It’s the same deal with Devers. He gets more publicity than most guys with his skills. He is a prime example of why politics in baseball is wrong. He’s hurt the club for many years now by insisting that he play 3B when he’s the worst in baseball at that position over that time period. The Red Sox can’t destroy their Latin source of players so they take a hit on defense. It’s wrong but it’s the way baseball works whether you are talking MLB, College or High School.
If you ever have kids that play the highly competitive national select team tournaments you will find the ones that are part of the better local ‘clubs’ are often starters on their high school team because the club will recruit players to move into the HS district if the HS coach is willing to showcase their players. It’s the HS version of what’s going on with Devers.
It’s neither fair nor ethical but it’s commonplace in today’s baseball world.
KD17
JB – Lets not rehash your hatred for Chavis.
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What’s wrong with you? I don’t hate Chavis. Hating people is your gig.
Chavis, right now, cannot hit. Including his AAA stats this year, he has a 29/2 K/Wwith 1 HR in 77 ABs. It is in his best interests, as well as the RS best interests, that he spend the entire year in AAA. Maybe even AA if he can’t get untracked in AAA.
I’m not sure how Garvey won the MVP that year with just 21 knocks, but he did hit 312, and BA was about the only stat where he finished in the top 10. Schmidt had a WAR of 10, Garvey less than 5. Maybe because LA was a good team. Garvey was also scoring in off-the-field ways, so maybe that became the tie-breaker
So it wouldn’t take much for Muncy (presently hitting 274) to have a better year than Garvey did in 1974, but that alone won’t win him an MVP. He’ll need to hit close to 300, with about 40 dingers, 35 SBs, 120 Runs and over 100 RBIs, like Acuna and Tatis are going to do. Or they give the award to a SP again but in this era of pitching, I doubt it.
Regardless, it’s only June 2, so all this is nonsense talk. For all we know Jesse Winker, Buster Posey or Kris Bryant go nuts and win the award by landslide.
Muncy leads all MLB position players in WAR and trails only Vladdy in OBP.. He’s fully recovered from the broken finger he played with last year and killing bit in all aspects of the game. Not a base stealer, but certainly not slow and an excellent base runner. He’s also providing excellent defense at two positions. He’s what separates the Dodgers from other teams. A few teams might come close to matching the trio of Betts, Bellinger, and Seager, but no one has a fourth-best player better than Muncy (or a fifth better than Smith, sixth better than Turner, seventh better than Taylor, and eighth better than Lux). Muncy is underrated for fans. A tremendous player to watch who truly appreciates the second chance he was given by the Dodgers.
Re Garvey’s MVP award: Lou Brock stole 118 bases that year and complained that he should have won it, even though he was actually less-deserving than Garvey. The best candidates that year were Schmidt, Morgan, Bench, and Jimmy Wynn. If they wanted to give it to the best player on the best team, then it should have gone to Wynn.
Hey it’s June 2
Al Oliver was a candidate in 74
Wow! Let’s hope he is out for the rest of the year then so he can hold on to that OPS lead. Good for you!
hoping a guy’s season ends due to injury is churlish
I’ve thought ,for the last two years, the Sox should move Devers to 1 B.
JD should remain the DH at least for this season. Gonzales is under the Mendoza.. Keep him a ‘D’ replacement temporarily..Bring up Durran to play CF. move Hernandez to 2b until Arroyo’s hand is better
The team is slumping all at once. Hopefully they will find NYC more to their liking.
I’m not sure two games qualifies as a slump.
Tatis hasn’t played 1 full season but Padre fans want to build him a statue
Safe to say no one wants to build a statue for you.
His statue will probably fall apart half way through the season…
It’s bad when you have to combine three separate seasons to establish the equivalent of one 162 game season. Yes, last year counts. Why? It supports my ignorant argument. Just as ignorant as most Tatis fans’ arguments. Just sayin’. He, like Strasburg, is made of glass.
Relax haters, he’s likely back in the lineup Thursday. And was just awarded MLB and NL Player of the Month for May. He’s 22 and already dominating the sport.
Seriously? Dominating? Lets say he’s off to a fast start and he’s an above average player with great upside. No statues yet. Bob Horner looked awesome early in his career too. So did Freddy Lynn until he ran into one too many walls. So did Harper until he slipped on bases, slid into bases and broke things and crashed into walls. Players who play hard get hurt. Not everyone can be fortunate like Ripken and Gehrig and not suffer a bad injury for years. Also, not all players can play through pain like Gehrig and Ripken.
Early returns show a higher propensity for injury. Tatis like so many other high risk players will only dominate if he stays on the field.
KD17-I agree with you. Tatis has the potential, but has to be healthy to realize that potential.
Right now, I cal him a good player, but not dominant. Home runs are common, let’s see him improve in several more offensive categories before he dominates. He isn’t a tough-to-get-out just yet. However, he is a tough-to-keep-in-the-lineup kind of guy.
Yes really dominating. Player of the Month of May. He missed 1 game with a cramp. Back in lineup tonite, already homered, leading MLB with 17., on pace for 50 HRs,35 steals even with ILstint. He’s done nothing but dominate, stats don’t lie, call it what it is, and he’s only 22.
He’s hitting 300, on pace for more than 100 RBIs and Runs. Slg% 700. Highest in league. What offensive cats do you need him to improve?
Brewer88 – You keep missing the point. You can take almost any good player in baseball and select the correct segment of his career to say he was dominant. Bond’s segment lasted nearly 20 years like Aaron, Ruth, Mays and so many more.
Tatis’ segment isn’t a full season!!! If a guy goes 5 for 5 one day he is dominant that DAY not in general. Tatis hasn’t qualified for the in general comment since he hasn’t done it long enough.
Also, you have completely ignored how baseball works. A player starts out hot and pitchers adjust. The hitter goes cold until he makes his adjustments. Then the pitchers make their adjustments. This is a constant process. Let Tatis at least get to his first adjustment period before you put him in the HOF. Every player reacts to failure differently. Vlad Jr. has made adjustments and is now looking like the player that was expected. Tatis was never expected to be in Vlad’s category of greatness so he’s played with less pressure. At some point, if he can stay healthy, he will hit his first major slump and we’ll see what he is made of. Until then, he’s hot, just like an unknown catcher in Chicago. He is not dominating, he is hot. Domination suggests a much longer time factor.
Brewer, you are wasting your time with some of these people. You can talk to any announcer, any coach, turn on ESPN, talk to any player and most of them will tell you that Tatis is already a superstar. Not a superstar in the making but already a superstar. The people you’re arguing with will never get it. My guess is they’re probably dodger fans and don’t want to give the Padres credit for anything.. Just remember that it can be anybody at their computer writing this stuff. You could be arguing with a 12-year-old.
Brewer, I would like to see him cut down on his strikeouts.
Brewer88
He’s hitting 300, on pace for more than 100 RBIs and Runs. Slg% 700. Highest in league. What offensive cats do you need him to improve?
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Even taking into account his injuries, he is still pace for a 7.55 bWAR. He is the most valuable asset in baseball, and I don’t think that’s even up for debate.
If there was a way to wager on it, I would take him even-up against anyone for ROS WAR. Even as good as Acuna is, I would not expect a superior performance over the next 4 months.
nutznboltz – Naive? What is the job of an announcer, coach, ESPN person or anyone else in the media when it comes to promoting the game of baseball? Exaggerate the facts to promote the game.
Your examples of why Tatis is a super star shows how little you understand the real world. It’s not about what team a person roots for that determines if they think a guy is a super star, it’s about what he has accomplished. He’s a rookie who has started his career well. Let me give you two examples so you can see why it’s too early to declare him a super star.
Mike Trout and Joe Charboneau
Trout had the following numbers in 2012 when the ball wasn’t as juiced as it is today.
During Mike Trout’s first full year in the bigs he was an All-star, 2nd in MVP voting, won a Silver slugger award and won Rookie of the Year. Sounds like he was dominant that year like Tatis has been.
139 games – 639 PA, 559 AB, 129 R, 182 H, 30 HRs, 83 RBIs, 49 SBs
Joe Charboneau’s had the following numbers in 1980.when the baseball was about half as juiced as it is today so his numbers are lower but still top end for that year.
During Charboneau’s first year he won the only award they had back then for young players. He was Rookie of the Year. Mike Schmidt won the MVP and there were no Silver Slugger awards. Sounds like he was dominant just like Tatis but it was a different era with less juiced baseballs and less recognition for young players.
131 games – 512 PA, 452 AB, 76R, 131 H, 23 HRs, 76 RBIs 2 SBs
Trout during the next 8 years won 3 MVPs, finished 2nd 3 times, 4th once and 5th last year (shortened season).
Charboneau hit .210 in 48 games in 1981 and .214 in 63 games in 1982 and by 1983 was out of baseball. Nobody saw it coming. Everyone expected greatness from Charboneau. Sometimes it simply doesn’t happen. That’s why the sample size is so critical to accurately assessing players and their talents.
Lesson – That first year is NOT a guarantee of future dominance. Its one exceptional season that needs to be repeated several times to become a truly dominant player no matter what the media says.
JB – You just proved to be as naive as nutznboltz!!
Not up for debate? Do you even read what you write? The absurdity of your comments is off the charts.
You need to go to call the number that rolls across the screen each day after the odds of each game. You have a gambling addiction and need to address it. First you hassle me about betting now you make points by expressing how certain things are by your willingness to bet on it. Look in the mirror. You have an addiction.
Also, using acronyms like ROS WAR doesn’t make you look smart it makes you look stupid. Write for the people reading your bs. Nobody cares that you jump on the Stat Cast site and try to pretend you understand what they are doing. Just make comments that readers can understand or join a nerd site so you can better relate to the readers.
KD, players that actually play the game and coaches that actually coach all say he is a super star. I guess you know more than they do and you call me naive? Now,that’s funny.
Kd17
His career hasn’t been a long one no. We’ll see how he does over next decade. He’s probably going to get better than his age 22 self, 99% of players improve. But you said above that he’s just good, not dominant. I disagree. In his first 750 ABs in MLB the stats don’t lie, he’s dominating MLB since 2019 more than any other position player has.
Comparing Tatis Jr to Joe Char…LMAO
So,According to you KD, a rookie cannot be considered a superstar? Now that’s funny.
Nah, you’re missing my point KD17, or at least you missed my use of the ing ending which infers present tense. I never said Tatis has dominated for 20 years like Aaron? Why go there bizzaro? He’s 22. I said he’s dominatiNG now, and that’s simply indisputable by any argument, including you’re weak ones. You claim he just got off to a fast start, but no he didn’t, he started the season mired in a month-long major slump. We saw what he’s made of in May as MLB player of the month. Over his career (which is longer than Vlad’s) in his 190 games as a MLB players he’s put up power-speed numbers that haven’t been seen in a very long time. He’s been so much better than Vlad so your comparison is silly. Compare him maybe to Acuna, that’s the only player who can rival him right now. Which is incredible given his nagging injuries/health matters. Imagine what he does with a stretch of good health? Diminish the kid’s accomplishments over 2019-2021, but you’re doing so in a closet. Or maybe you are just a Dodger fan
Brewer88 – Obviously you are a child with reading issues. You write so much crap that wasn’t in the comment you are responding to and you probably don’t even know it! Seriously, take some reading comprehension classes and try to grasp the concepts presented by others so you don’t continue making up crap like you just did.
I NEVER said you said Tatis was dominant for 20 years. You just made that up. Are you seriously struggling with my comments from a comprehension stand point? Or maybe, you scanned them and decided to write whatever came into your head.
This is very simple meathead, Tatis is not dominant because he hasn’t played long enough. How many people need to point that out to you before you grasp what they are saying. If you think dominance is established in 1 day, 1 week 1 month or 1 season you’re an idiot.
The noun dominant does not carry the same meaning as the verb dominate. Yes, a player can dominate for a segment of time. That doesn’t make the player dominant, it simple means he dominated for a segment of time. EVERYONE is telling you Tatis’ performance isn’t long enough to earn him the tag dominant. He simply has stretches when he has dominated opposing pitchers. You really need to understand the English language better.
Are Vlad Jr and Tatis Jr. comparable so far in 2021. Yes. Have they both played 3 years? Yes Has Vlad Jr. played in 54 more games than Tatis? Yes.. The 239 to 185 game advantage to Vlad Jr. speaks to what EVERYONE has been saying here. You don’t win for your team if you aren’t in the game. Injury prone players are not as valuable as non injury prone players with comparable skills. Consequently, Vlad is more valuable than Tatis.
Also, either player could have what happened to Tony Conigliaro happen to them and end their career. That’s why HOF voting isn’t done after 185 games. That’s why dominance is a word associated with longevity. These are simple concepts you simply can’t grasp. That’s your issue not all the people that have told you Tatis is not dominant.
Nutznboltz – I assume you are a high school friend of Brewer88. I think it’s great that you believe strongly that Tatis is the best player in baseball. He’s not, Trout is or maybe Ohtani since he’s the closest thing to Babe Ruth the greatest player of all time.
Tatis has entered baseball during a period when the juice in the baseball is at all time highs. The recent graduates to the majors all have inflated numbers when compared to the Bonds era in the 90s because the ball is roughly 20% more juiced today. Bonds played when the ball was slightly more juiced than the Aaron era and Aaron played when the ball was twice as juiced as the Ruth era. Big numbers should be expected from guys like Tatis and Guerrero if you consider the juiced baseballs today. The commissioner is counting on the juiced balls to help the industry recover from COVID.
The juice factor peaked in 2017 at a level of 1.256 compared to the Bonds era peak of 1.172 in 2000. In 2018 it dropped to 1.149 which was still the fourth highest juice factor behind 2017, 2016 and 2000. Then in 2019 which happens to be the first year both Tatis Jr and Guerrero Jr were in the majors a new peak of 1.395 occurred! Yes the juice level of the baseball jumped nearly 20% in one year!! . 2020, the COVID shortened season, saw the juice drop to 1.283 the second highest in history behind 2019.
So yes both Tatis Jr and Guerrero Jr. have had great starts but the baseball has significantly aided them. By comparison Bonds broke into baseball when the juice was at 0.907 compared to 1.395 in 2019. Aaron broke into baseball when the juice factor was 0.783 and Ruth broke into baseball when the juice factor was 0.110! Do the math. Tatis is hitting a ball that is over 10 times as juiced as the ball Ruth hit when he broke in.
Has Tatis done well? Absolutely. Has he earned a spot in Cooperstown? NOPE. Since 2020 was not a normal year there is only 2019 (their first year) to compare to truly dominant players so lets do that.
Tatis Jr first year – All Star? No Silver Slugger? No ROY? No (3rd) MVP? No
Vlad Jr first year – All Star? No Silver Slugger? No ROY? No (6th) MVP? No
Trout first year = All Star? Yes Silver Slugger? Yes ROY? Yes MVP? No(2)
Harper first year – All Star? Yes Silver Slugger? No ROY? Yes MVP? No(30)
Pujols first year – All Star? Yes Silver Slugger? Yes ROY? Yes MVP? No(4)
What both Tatis and Guerrero have done is outstanding. It pales in comparison to Trout and Pujols and even Harper but it’s still outstanding. Now each of them need to do it for many more years and you can’t do that if you aren’t in the game. Tatis’ injuries muddy his future far more than Guerrero’s weight muddies his. Will Tatis lose out to Guerrero in the public’s ranking of the two of them like Harper lost out to Trout since he couldn’t stay on the field? Only time will tell..
You’re losing dude. I don’t normally gamble, outside of my trip to LV every two years. I use abbreviations like ROS & WAR because everyone knows what they mean. Only an insane person, or maybe someone that thinks 500-word rants spells out Rest of the Season Wins Above Average.
At this point, you are typing as fast as you can for two reasons:
1-Not a single person in here agrees with you, and on a wide range of subjects.
2-You’re trying to pretend as if any of your predictions will come true. The RS have a good team. In a country of 330M people, you might be the only person to think they stink. Good luck with that:)
Brewer88
Comparing Tatis Jr to Joe Char…LMAO
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Amusing, isn’t it.
Charb had one good season at age 25, and was never ranked. Tatis was ranked #2 in the minors, and has the #3 RC+ in baseball, over the past three seasons, as a SS.
If you are talking to someone, and they don’t recognize the importance of a player’s pedigree, or what age they broke into baseball, you cannot have a rational conversation with them.
While Tatis’s injuries are a legitimate concern, it is highly doubtful that is talent is an issue.
KD, your long rambling post has two major flaws in it. You brought up Bonds a few times comparing his dominance to that of Tatis and Vlade but said these two benefitted from a juiced ball. You failed to mention that Bonds was actually “juiced” himself. Wonder why you left that out? LOL. You failed to mention that this year the ball is actually “un-juiced”. Wonder why you left that out? Maybe it’s because you just like making stuff up.
K”Diatribe”17. Seek some help friend.
You have to play to be great
Padre, how long do you have to play before you can be called great?