Now that Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer has more or less officially announced his intention to sell at the trade deadline, contenders looking to acquire some upgrades off the Wrigleyville roster might start with a player whose value seemed negligible heading into last season’s deadine: closer Craig Kimbrel. While the Cubs’ fortunes have dimmed in 2021, Kimbrel is enjoying a fantastic comeback season after a disappointing 2020.
Whether a front office likes traditional stats or modern analytics, Kimbrel has something for everyone. Start with big picture run prevention, and there’s nobody better in the game right now: his 0.57 ERA, 1.12 FIP, and 1.94 xFIP all rank 1st overall among qualified relievers. He’s second behind Matt Barnes by measure of SIERA. Kimbrel’s 46.2% strikeout rate is the top such mark among qualified relievers in the game. He also seems to have figured out the control problems that plagued him the past two seasons, lowering his walk rate to a very reasonable 8.6 percent. If you want to dig even deeper, Kimbrel is among the best in the game by whiff rate, chase rate, and barrel percentage.
The righty is also controllable beyond this season with a $16MM vesting option for 2022 that defaults to a club option (with a $1MM buyout) if it doesn’t vest. Kimbrel isn’t exactly cheap, as he is playing on a $16MM salary for 2021 and will still be owed roughly $5.43MM come July 30, but Hoyer can certainly make the case to other teams that Kimbrel is worth the investment.
There will be a certain class of buyer who prefers to shop in the Ryan Tepera/Andrew Chafin lot rather than pay sticker price for Kimbrel. To their point, relievers are historically fungible and fickle, and there are always relievers to be had at the trade deadline. But, bullpen arms don’t grow on trees, and there’s not a contender in the game that couldn’t find a use for Kimbrel.
In fact, it’s probably a simpler task to identify those contenders who won’t have interest in Kimbrel. The Rays, for example, already count their bullpen as a strength, and Kimbrel is a little flashy and/or expensive for their taste. The Nationals — as much as they could use him — would probably have to surrender too great a share of their limited prospect capital to get him.
The Brewers likely consider themselves set with Josh Hader, Devin Williams and Brent Suter – and it’s a little hard to fathom Chicago handing Kimbrel to the team that appears to have bested them for the division. The Reds could use him, but after shedding bullpen money last winter, it’s a little counterintuitive to think they’d be ready for an addition like Kimbrel just a few months later. Frankly, the Cubs probably don’t have a trade moratorium with their NL Central comrades (except maybe the Cardinals), but they might require a premium. The Brewers and Reds don’t have the need or inclination, respectively, to pay that tax.
The Pirates and Diamondbacks of the world won’t be calling anytime soon, and the Yankees, for all their recent trouble closing out games of late, look more likely to trade away a closer than acquire one.
The White Sox and Cubs aren’t exactly regular trade partners, but Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune suggests the crosstown rivals might be a fit for a Kimbrel deal. Putting Kimbrel in the Sox bullpen with the likes of Liam Hendriks, Michael Kopech, Garrett Crochet, and Aaron Bummer would certainly blow some hats off, and it would give manager Tony La Russa a strong insurance plan against almost any potential injury for a group with some injury risk. But the Southsiders gave Hendriks $54MM to close games, and it’s a little hard to fathom the active saves leader embracing second chair.
Sullivan also puts the Astros and A’s at the top of the list of suitors. Both make some sense, though the Astros might be in a similar place as the ChiSox, given Ryan Pressly’s All-Star campaign. Oakland’s Lou Trivino has performed well in taking the bulk of closer duties since Trevor Rosenthal has been lost for the year, but Trivino could probably step back into a setup role just as easily.
Besides, the Cubs and A’s have done business before as trade partners. Most notably, Hoyer was the Cubs’ GM in July 2014 when they packaged Jeff Samardzija with Jason Hammel to net top prospect Addison Russell along with Billy McKinney and Dan Straily. Speculatively speaking, if the Cubs were serious about moving Javier Baez, the A’s could certainly use a shortstop upgrade, and the two clubs could try again to pair multiple assets together in this kind of deal, though the financial cost for even one of Kimbrel or Baez might not be palatable for the small-market Athletics.
The Phillies have the most obvious need with a 4.78 bullpen ERA and league-leading 22 blown saves. It’s not clear, however, how serious the Phillies are as contenders, currently a game under .500 and 4.5 games behind the Mets for the division and slim odds at a wild card spot. President of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski certainly knows Kimbrel well from his time running the Red Sox, and he was also the executive at the wheel when Boston let Kimbrel walk in free agency.
The Dodgers have blown 17 saves, and though Kenley Jansen has looked better than expected, they’ve suffered some significant losses from their pitching staff. Their starting pitching has taken a few hits over the course of the season, most recently with Clayton Kershaw landing on the injured list. One way to counteract that depleted rotation depth would be to bolster the bullpen, and there’s no better arm available than Kimbrel.
Padres’ GM A.J. Preller traded for Kimbrel once before, and if he thinks the Dodgers might be inquiring, he very well could be interesting in trading for him again. Preller also traded him away once before, but that was hardly an indictment of Kimbrel. The present-day Padres have suffered enough injury woes to know that there is no such thing as enough pitching depth. They are, however, leading the league with a 2.86 bullpen ERA, and Mark Melancon is a trusted veteran hand with 27 saves in 31 opportunities. It’s not their greatest need, but the Padres are all in on 2021, and as of right now, they’re staring down a one-game playoff with the Giants or Dodgers.
And why not, the Giants might throw their hats in the ring as well. Kimbrel would certainly fit with the Giants’ veteran-laden roster. He’d also offer some consistency and personality to a bullpen that currently splits closing opportunities between Jake McGee and Tyler Rogers. San Francisco’s bullpen has been good with a collective 3.42 ERA, but they have blown 16 save opportunities.
Moving back to the American League, the Blue Jays certainly qualify as a team to watch. Like the A’s, their Plan A, Kirby Yates, crumbled before the season even began, while depth options like Jordan Romano, Rafael Dolis, and Julian Merryweather have all spent time on the injured list. Even nine games out of first in the AL East, the Jays are committed to contention, and they need all the help they can get on that end.
Hoyer and the Cubs may feel the urgency to jump the trade market for Kimbrel while his value remains at this peak level. In 33 appearances covering 31 2/3 innings, Kimbrel has been worth 2.0 rWAR/1.8 fWAR. He’s converted 20 saves in 22 tries with that absolutely shimmering 0.57 ERA. Those numbers aren’t likely to get much better, and given the relatively small sample inherent to a reliever’s workload, one bad outing could suddenly make Kimbrel appear mortal again.
Bottom line, Kimbrel is one of if not the best reliever in the game right now, and he’s available. For an aggressive contender, he’s likely available now.
canyon2129
He is the best. And is available this morning. Jud hearing best offers only now.
Fever Pitch Guy
Jays will probably go very hard after him.
Cubs should move fast with a trade, Kimbrel could lose it just as quickly as he did in 2018.
Closers are as volatile as penny stocks.
Wheeler Dealer
Lol no reason to move fast he’s lights out, its going to come down to last day and its going to cost a team PLENTY
Kolukonu
Know who else was lights out for the first 2+ months of the season? Chapman. Now he fell off the wagon and is horrible.
JoeyBartIsMyGod
It’s pretty cool that “Jud Hoyer”’s personal spokesman is reaching out to all of the many MLBTR readers in the comment section! Thanks Jud
awf111969
The long lost Jud brother
The Saber-toothed Superfife
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POOR SPORTSMANSHIP!
oldmansteve
Dad, who let you out of the home? Come on inside and take your medicine.
A'sfaninLondonUK
Steve, just leave him.
Safely next to the alligator infested pond….
Skirch66
Huh?
skullbreathe
The Phillies need to pull the trigger and get Kimbrel. It may cost a few Top-30 prospects but so what…
Bjoe
Phillies are going nowhere.
JoeyBartIsMyGod
Idk about that! They’ve blown 22 saves. Kimbrel is 20/22 in save situations. So if they had Kimbrel is it safe to say they could be 20 games up from where they are now? They’re not far behind the Mets. The Phillies’ major weakness is the lack of a shutdown closer, and Kimbrel would immediately fill that roll. I think he could help catch the Mets in no time
VonPurpleHayes
@JoeyBartIsMyGod One thing everyone gets wrong about the blown save stat, is that some of those blown saves were in the same game. And the Phillies came back and won some of the other blown saves as well. So it doesn’t translate into 20 wins if they don’t blow those games. Still if the Phillies just have 4-6 more games closed out, they’re in first. But that’s like saying if my team wasn’t bad, they’d be good.
bhambrave
I remember one Phillies-Braves game in which the Phillies had three blown saves.
VonPurpleHayes
@bhambrave Yes. It happened more than once this year as well. Once against the Braves. Once against the Mets. Brutal losses.
LordD99
The NL East is a very winnable division though, even more so now with the Braves losing their best player for the season. Adding a lockdown closer then pushes other bullpen arms back, thus increasing depth. They should be in it, but do they have the pieces to pull it off?
ChiSoxCity
Philadelphia sports fans are uber passionate about their teams, but they’re not intelligent sports fans for the most part.
Tatsumaki
Same could be said for dodgers. 17 blown saves……imagine half as many bs and dodgers would be up 12 games in division. My guess is phillies or dodgers
1984wasntamanual
“But that’s like saying if my team wasn’t bad, they’d be good.” You see a lot of this on here (you can replace team with player’s skills), it’s nice to see someone acknowledge that it doesn’t work like that.
Dogbone
LMAO, a White Sox fan tells a Philly fan, that THEY are not knowledgeable, lol. Who are you, the Ol Hawkeroo.
ChiSoxCity
A Cubs fan isn’t qualified to judge any other fanbase. Period.
thecoffinnail
Never take a BS as a loss. It’s one of those weird stats that happen often and doesn’t mean much. For example a team could be up by 1 and score another run in the top of the ninth. In the bottom of the ninth they put their closer in. He gives up a home run and then strikes out the side. The closer would get a BS but would also get credit for the win. The same could happen in the 8th and then in the 9th the closer shuts them down. The pitcher from the 8th would get a BS and the win and the closer would get a save for the 9th. It should be thought of as the opposite of a hold instead of a save. Saves are a dumb stat anyway. Good relief arms get robbed in arb because they don’t have stats. Betances is a good example of that. He was one of the best relief arms in MLB but compare his arb salaries to Kimbrel who took the closer job in Atlanta when he was getting rookie contracts. Betances barely made half of what Kimbrel did through their arb years even though they were similar pitchers. Saves are a dumb stat.
Franco27
@ChiSoxCity Does it bother you the Sox will always be the 2nd team in Chicago? Also, very little interest in the Sox nationally because they can’t bring in TV ratings. That has to bother you, right?
ChiSoxCity
@Davro Tv ratings? lol That all you got? As long as I can watch my club dominate every single game, I’m happy.
The Cubs are the 2nd best team in Chicago right now. That has to bother you, right?
Wheeler Dealer
Not at all White Sox will never get past A’s or Astros
ChiSoxCity
Just be glad you get to watch playoff baseball this year, courtesy of the White Sox.
VonPurpleHayes
Phillies won’t be going over the tax for 1 reliever. Dodgers are more likely.
Questionable_Source
Not all of the blown saves are in the 9th inning. So, unless Kimbrel is going to pitch 3 innings every day…
CubsFanSince75
Good point. I mean after watching our team in the playoffs 5 of the last 6 it’s about time your guys got to get off the couch and participate
Dogbone
“A few top 30”, lol. How about a top 5, or maybe a few top 12 players.
Best thing Cubs can do, IMO, is package a few of these guys up. Say Baez and Davies, for a better return. Or Bryant and a RP.
They have the numbers to trade, to turn this into a ‘haul’.
ChiSoxCity
Uh, you’re not getting a “haul” for rentals. Just admit you’re screwed.
leftyleftylefty
Well at least these are proven MLB players, unlike the haul you and your boys think you’re gonna get for Mercedes.
Where is he now? AA ball tryna find his swing?
You forget about those declarations?
Adolpho67
Yeah let’s listen to the guy whose team traded Tatis Jr. & Marcus Semien for table scraps! He knows value!
Wheeler Dealer
Check back Aug 1
ChiSoxCity
Tatis is made of glass. Semien is a replacement level player. I’ll take the Sox’s current roster over any team in baseball right now.
hoags1137
Semien a replacement level played, whos war is one of the best in baseball right now. Thank god for those replacement level players and the mvp caliber season. Gtfo out of here lol.
ChiSoxCity
Was he an MVP with the Sox? Hell no, so you gtfo chump.
Catuli Carl
LOL brain damage-level take. How are you one the most consistently idiotic people on this website? “i dOn’T eVeN wAnT tAtiS” lol
Bob Behof
If he was a rental you would be right, but he isn’t. His contract has a club option next year so in trading for him you are getting about a year and a half of him. He may not get you Wander Franco or Jarred Kelenic for example but he definitely should command a top 100 prospect to start with.
rondon
I’m still shaking my head over the Darvish trade. While they most definitely have their weaknesses, he would’ve been a real stabilizer for that starting staff. They might still be buyers instead of sellers.
bot
Especially for the return they got. He’s way more valuable today than last December
JoeyBartIsMyGod
Hindsight is 20/20! Darvish sucked at the time and was getting old. They were lucky they got what they got
oldmansteve
Sucked at the time? He was coming off the best season of his life.
VonPurpleHayes
@JoeyBartIsMyGod Darvish certainly did not suck at the time. He looked lights out. Everyone knew that trade was terrible right away. You can even look at the reactions on this very site. I have no idea why the Cubs made it.
ryrockak
What?
Catuli Carl
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ruckus727
Agreed. They needed to get an elite prospect. But I think in a few years one or two of those guys will surprise and turn heads. Preciado in particular.
Dogbone
Preciado definitely can become a stud, but don’t sell Caissie short, either. Both are performing quite well at this time, although not yet in the Cubs full season affiliates.
That said, I agree with rondon, above. Ricketts demand to cut salary which resulted in the trade of Darvish- completely destroyed this season for the Cubs.
richdanna
Preciado was just ranked the Cubs #2 overall prospect by Fangraphs.
Don’t sleep in that kid at all…
leftyleftylefty
This comment couldn’t be more accurate.
Bob Behof
Just because they didn’t get any mlb ready prospects or top 100 players for this season doesn’t mean it’s a failed trade at all. Every one of those players the Cubs received are extremely young and raw as prospects and you can listen to a number of knowledgeable people across the sport who say that in the next year or two several of those players they received should be popping up on top 100 lists. These kids are 18-19 years old so give them time and space to develop before you trash this trade.
1984wasntamanual
Unless Darvish posses some sort of magic I’m unaware of, I have a really hard time believing he’d make them ~8 wins better. So unless you mean they’d be like 5 games out and count that as still buyers, gonna disagree there.
Selling darvish when they did made sense because he was coming off a strong year and they were able to move him. It was very possible he’d get hurt or regress in 2021. What didn’t make sense was that they stopped with trading him and kept everyone else.
rondon
Not for the return they got for him. They should’ve received at the very least one top prospect. It was a pure salary dump by Ricketts.
Franco27
How do you know what they got for him, until they have a chance to develop in minors? Let’s see what it looks like 3 years from now. I know at least 2 of them are hitting over.300. Darvish is 35. He and Schwarber were on the team last year and the team wasn’t much better. Darvish could blow his arm out at anytime. Time to move on, root for the kids they got for him. Maybe a couple become very good and play for Cubs for several years.
1984wasntamanual
Do you think that Jed Hoyer chose to not accept an offer that included a top prospect in favor of the package that he got? Darvish was to be paid a decent amount in an environment where teams weren’t sure how their income situation would play out. Just saying, “he should have got this”, doesn’t mean another team was going to actually offer that.
Adolpho67
The Darvish trade brought future MLB talent, just wait and see! Preciado is consensus top prospect, Caisse has huge power, Mena is another big OF prospect. These guys were all at the top of the International draft board & Cubs have a great track record in evaluation of those type guys…see Eloy, Gleyber, Soler, etc.
rondon
Davro, 1984, Adolph… Guys, if you read my initial comment you’ll see I was talking about how that trade adversely affected the team this season. Maybe one of those kids works out several years from now, but it did nothing to help the team this year. And yes, I think Hoyer was told to dump salary, period.
tedtheodorelogan
The Padres lol. I’ve heard about them being “all in” before, and yet, nothing to show for it. Must be rough to be a fan of that team. Constantly getting your hopes up then being disappointed.
bbatardo
I think most Padres fans have been pretty happy with this year so far. They’ve been an exciting team, played some amazing games, and are in the thick of things. It’s still July, plenty of baseball left.
ruckus727
And the my have arguably the best young and most exciting player in the game to build around for the next decade plus.
JoeyBartIsMyGod
And a wealth of players to come back from injury next year, and still some great prospects on the way. Best time ever to be a Padres fan actually
HBan22
They’ve been decimated by injuries this season and are still performing at a near elite level. If they can manage to get even most of their pitching staff healthy for next season, they are going to be extremely good for the next few years.
ruckus727
I think SD should go get him. That team could easily win the World Series this year and really increase their odds with another couple pieces. They still have plenty of good prospects and as mentioned in the article, are looking at a one game playoff. No better way to head into a pivotal win or go home game than to have a lights out pen.
revolver
I agree. They would also have him next year.
Hudson6
The Padres may check him out but they won’t be trading any premium prospects for him when they already have the best bullpen in mlb. I doubt they would even trade Marciano for him.
Wheeler Dealer
then they won’t get him
ChiSox_Fan
NOT going to ChiSox.
We have our “lights out” closer!
djmac
“Lights out” applies to the White Sox manager too. More than once he gets drunk and passes out behind the wheel. What a piece of work.
ChiSox_Fan
Muted. Adios!
HBan22
Adding Kimbrel would give them the most dominant bullpen in the game, though. If the White Sox are winning by the 6th inning, they’re going to win the vast majority of those games. Takes more pressure off of their starting staff, as well.
oneiblnd
Well the Yankees wouldn’t acquire him just for the fact he has a beard. Wonder how many players look the other way based on the shave policy of the Yankees?
JoeyBartIsMyGod
Does Kimbrel have a NTC? If not, it’s not his decision where he goes. Other guys who have had good beards have been traded to the Yankees and had to shave them off
Dogbone
@chisoxfan
The only lights that are gonna be out, are the ones at your state financed stadium, after your first playoff series. Chisox actually will be playing teams with winning records in the playoffs lol. Something you don’t see too often in the ‘feeble’ AL Central.
ChiSoxCity
Your jealousy of the White Sox knows no bounds.
At least they play in an actual baseball stadium, as opposed that moldy outhouse on the north side.
Dogbone
Your avoidance of reality, knows no bounds.
ChiSoxCity
Profound statement coming from a koolaid drinking Cubs fan.
Catuli Carl
My god you’re delusional. Have fun at mortgage field.
willyb
The Cubs have been living rent free in that clown’s head for years…. Ha!
Metsman22
The Angels appear to be buyers and might be in on him too. Also, I don’t think the Mets will be in, but I wouldn’t count them out.
JoeyBartIsMyGod
I’d like to see the Angels get to the playoffs to show off Ohtani and hopefully a healthy Trout so I’d be rooting for this!
jim stem
I’d hate to have to watch his set up pre-pitch the rest of the season. Diaz has his confidence and is performing very well it counts. In my opinion, the way they get Kimbrel is if Bryant and a starting pitcher are involved. Honestly, Looking at the Mets farm system, I don’t think we have enough.
I see Bryant and Kimbrel going to the Braves before the all star game starts. Bryant goes right to the lead off spot and left field and Kimbrel stabilizes that ‘pen.
With the Acuna injury, either the Braves go big now to replace him or fold.
J.H.
I could see this as well. For better or worse (mostly worse) the Angels have prioritized ‘Maddon’ guys, so there’s that. Their bullpen has probably been an even bigger issue than their starters (they’ve both been awful, so it hasn’t really mattered which one is worse) and they don’t currently have next years closer under contract with Iglesias a free agent at the end of this year.
If you could convince them both to be okay with a platoon of sorts for saves, then it makes sense. Iglesias has been worked hard through the first half, so sharing the workload would probably be a good thing for him and Kimbrel.
kyredsox17
I’m so happy Kimbrel is good again. He’s been awesome to watch his entire career. I wish Boston had the resources and were willing to spend them to bring him back.
whyhayzee
I know, but I like Barnes and would hate to see such a move mess him up. Kimbrel still has a shot at the HOF if he can maintain for a few more years at this level.
Fever Pitch Guy
You obviously didn’t watch him the past two years. LOL
I wish him well, but right now the Sox bullpen doesn’t need any changes. Other than last night, they’ve been awesome.
gr8testsoxfan
Kimbrel for Groshans and Monoah Blue Jays
MikeD26
Lol, keep dreaming
tsc32
Why on earth would Toronto do that?
Catuli Carl
Because you get a year and a half of the best closer in baseball to lead you to your first playoff series in five years.
HBan22
Is this a serious proposal? It’s so horrid that I feel it must be sarcasm. Either way, no.
CDKinNoVA
The Nationals could trade Jon Lester for him…haha
mkeyankee
Looks like an a 3 team NL west bidding war on the horizon.
SCBIII
As much as the Phillies need a legitimate closer, I can’t see them plunking down $16 million when they have so many other areas to address. If it meant a sure path to the World Series, they would go after him.
revolver
The cubs would be willing to pay the remaining 5 million for this year to increase the return. The Phillies could trade him this offseason or before next deadline if it doesn’t workout.
leftyleftylefty
Lol wat?
Cubs Dynasty
My gut feeling is that the Giants will get Kimbrel.
Balk
No, the Giants need to keep their prospects, and go after starting pitching. I love what the Giants have accomplished this year, but they are ahead of schedule and need to keep building and not taking away. Just my opinion
Cubs Dynasty
Yes… good thoughts… sometimes I tend to think in my short term armchair shoebox. Here, I am viewing this Giants surprising playoff contention…thinking in the present…also, since you mentioned it, perhaps the Giants might work out a trade for KB using those prospects..
ASapsFables
The White Sox adding both Craig Kimbrel and Javier Baez in a trade with the crosstown Cubs would make the southsiders prohibitive favorites to represent the AL in the 2021 World Series. It might also make them the odds on favorite for the next parade in Chicago.
Kimbrel would add an experienced future HOF arm to solidify an already powerful White Sox bullpen. It would also prevent any other strong championship contender like the Dodgers, Astros or Red Sox from acquiring him.
Baez would replace Nick Madrigal at 2B for the remainder of 2021. Although the current Cubs SS, Baez performed the role of a super versatile utility starter for the Cubs once he made his MLB debut in 2014. Baez spent considerable time all over the infield but played more 2B than any other position from 2014-2018 before taking over the starting SS reigns from troubled Addison Russell in 2019. He earned a ring as the Cubs primary 2B during their 2016 championship run. He could add a second in 2021 while also helping rival city SS Tim Anderson to his first. The rivalry between the two high energy and athletic shortstops the last few years has been the subject of a much debate among the fandoms on both sides of town when each have approached superstar status. Luis Robert looks likely to return to CF sometime in August. The athleticism the White Sox would possess up the middle with Anderson, Baez and Robert would be unprecedented in today’s game, even if it were just for a couple of months.
bot
Ok. So what’s the offer then ? What do the white Sox give up to acquire those 2 ?
paindonthurt
So…the Cubs want to hand the Sox 2 players that get them to the World Series?
leftyleftylefty
Haha what kind is post is this?
This is like one of those ideas one comes up with while drunk and alone.
Dogbone
Sure Aaron, we’d like nothing better than to help you out lol. Just like the Sox did for the Cubs. Cubs could give you Baez and Kimbrel, say for Robert and you could throw in either Sheets or Kopech. Is that a deal to make you squeal?
ASapsFables
@Dogbone
There isn’t a single Cubs player on their active roster worthy of Luis Robert or Michael Kopech. The players most mentioned as potential trade sell-offs are pure rentals (Kris Bryant, Javier Baez, Anthony Rizzo, Joc Pederson), or have one extra year of control (Craig Kimbrel, Willson Contreras). Most are also making huge dollars which further limits their value, especially to small market contenders.
The player with the most value of those mentioned is Contreras but starting catchers are rarely dealt midseason. Contreras would more likely be moved this offseason. Kimbrel would hold the next highest value with his extra year of control and with the knowledge that premium relievers typically fetch a decent haul in mid-summer trades.
Of the pure rentals, Bryant would seem to have the most value since he is the only of the 3 who is resembling his former MVP caliber self. Baez and Rizzo have the least value and are the two pending Cubs free agents who would most likely accept a QO this offseason with Rizzo the odds on favorite to negotiate a contract extension to remain on the northside.
mike127
But Aaron, to make any team “prohibitive favorites” something is coming back. I agree Robert was being facetious, but trading Michael Kopech or just about anyone to win a championship is a no brainer.
ASapsFables
The White Sox aren’t dealing Michael Kopech to the Cubs or any other team in the coming weeks for a pure rental like Javier Baez or even an elite closer like Craig Kimbrel with 1+ years of control. Kopech, Andrew Vaughn and/or Garrett Crochet are going nowhere short of a adding a controllable impacting player like Diamondbacks 2B/OF Ketel Marte or perhaps a young controllable ace like the Rockies German Márquez.
rondon
So you basically think they’ll trade something for nothing. They’d be better off keeping them and taking the draft compensation.
leftyleftylefty
I always love these types of comments.
Dude composes this whole big smart post about how much he knows about the game, and what his favorite team should absolutely do, thinking just how clever and thoughtful it is, all the while being blinded by his own ego to realize how he thinks no one else on here has followed baseball or knows anything about it.
Thanks for the Javier Baez history lesson, I guess? Because Baez is such an obscure player.
And then is so proud of all this smartness he’s come up with to even think of what might have to happen on his World Series-bound-for-sure teams end for this to become his reality—and hits post.
Dogbone
Well said lefty.
mike127
Lefty—-I, for one, like almost all of Aaron’s posts…..but I do agree with you and have pinned down his lifetime career to either lawyer or college level English professor. Way too many “defining or explanatory” and big words for this site.
Simply could have said Baez and Kimbrel to fortify the infield and bullpen for Kopech or Crochet and Burger or Vaughn and a couple lottery tickets and been done with it.
ASapsFables
C’mon. Mike. Lefty and Dogbone are two of the most notorious Cub trolls on this site. At least they’re commenting on a Cubs article this time.
Dogbone in particular spends more time trolling White Sox articles and even here it’s the Southsiders comments that get the biggest rise out of him. That said, I do enjoy the banter with him. Perhaps we could take the swordplay to a new level with a real duel. What say you, Dogbone? En garde or au revoir?
A'sfaninLondonUK
Aaron, I generally read your well crafted posts with interest, because they’re well crafted & interesting.
This one is erm, less cogent.
Firstly the Chi|Sox spent a trouser load of cash on Liam Hendriks but then need to spend the same AAV on Kimbrel???
The Kimbrel/Baez additive makes them “prohibitive favourites” to win the AL pennant? Nonsense. They’re mediocre now. That pie in the sky addition makes them a little better than mediocre.
The White Sox are in a terrible division. They’re 16-24 against teams above .500. They are MAYBE the 4th best team in the AL behind Houston, The Red Sox, the Rays & I’d argue my A’s are a better team, in a better division facing generally better competition. You could argue the Chi Sox are 9th – the Detroit Tigers have a better record against teams above .500….
Apart from that you might have a point.
A'sfaninLondonUK
PS These Orioles are a good team aren’t they?
ASapsFables
The White Sox are doing all of this with a team that has missed elite young slugger Eloy Jimenez all season. They have also been without younger toolsy Gold Glove CF Luis Robert since early May. Rookie 2B Nick Madrigal was lost a month ago while starting veteran catcher Yasmani Grandal went down early last week. Their OF depth has suffered injuries all season long, often leaving the team with daily lineups that feature more replacement level players than actual MLB talent.
All but Madrigal are expected to return this season including Jimenez in a matter of weeks and Roberts soon thereafter. Those two should have enough PA’s to be major factors come October.
The White Sox currently possess a rotation that boasts the most quality depth in the AL. That rotation is the primary reason the team has been able to succeed despite all of their injuries. Their bullpen is chock full of power arms that have underperformed somewhat from their preseason promise. That said,closer Liam Hendriks, Michael Kopech and Garrett Crochet have been exemplary while Aaron Bummer gives the team a formidable 4 entering the playoffs. The addition of one more elite bullpen arm like Kimbrel would elevate their bullpen to the top of the AL heap.
All of this is predicated on better health in the second half. If the White Sox get Jimenez, Robert and Grandal back without any hiccups and add a bullpen arm and a 2B in the coming weeks they should be the prohibitive favorites to represent the AL in the 2021 World Series. The fact that they play in a weaker division should also help because they figure to clinch a postseason spot the soonest which would allow them to set up their rotation best come October. They may also have an easier chance to secure the top seed in the AL which could give them yet another advantage in October with an MLB best home W-L record that currently stands at 31-14.
Dogbone
Aaron, this is so funny, really funny. Don’t you see? Basically you are just doing a parody of yourself. You are responding in the exact way that leftylefty describes your style.
Plus you are completely avoiding the question put to you, the return your boys would have to give up.
ChiSox_Fan
Baez doesn’t hustle and lacks focus.
Not a team player.
Not a Sox type of player. Wouldn’t fit in at all.
We have a closer.
Contreras seems to want to play hard.
I’d trade for him.
ASapsFables
Javier Baez does lose his focus on occasion but to suggest he doesn’t hustle is blatantly incorrect. He and Willson Contreras are the two Cubs who are always laying it out on the line when they’re on the field. Baez main problem is that he is often too aggressive, especially at the plate. You could say the same about Tim Anderson as well, no? Does that make TA7 a selfish, non-team player. Absolutely not!
Baez would fit in just fine with a White Sox team that learned to hustle at all times under former manager Rick Renteria who also happened to be his first manager in Chicago with the still rebuilding 2014 Cubs. Baez has zero character issues which is also an important quality and one the White Sox would steer clear of in any midseason trade.
As for Craig Kimbrel, adding a second elite closer should be a no-brainer for a team with World Series ambitions in 2021 AND 2o22. Tony La Russa has had plenty of experience in handling bullpens and clubhouses throughout his HOF career. Does anybody really believe this would be an issue for Kimbrel and Liam Hendriks? When the latter signed his mega FA deal this past offseason he repeatedly stated that he just wanted to win and could care less if that meant pitching in the 7th, 8th or 9th innings.
You might recall that the 1990 Cincinnati Reds won a World Series title with three closers. That “Nasty Boys” trio of Norm Charlton, Rob Dibble and Randy Myers led a 91-win team to the promised land. Lou Piniella had no problems managing that group. I would expect La Russa having zero problems with Kimbrel and Hendriks. The White Sox also possess a superior roster to that particular Reds team when all hands are on deck. The 2021 White Sox rotation is also far superior to the staff that Piniella had to work with back in 1990.
bot
It all makes sense. So what’s the package that nets those 2??
ChiSox_Fan
Heuer and Mendick
ASapsFables
The Cubs could be looking at another rebuild or at the very least a substantial retool with the potential loss of 4 key players this offseason (Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Pederson) along with two next year (Contreras, Kimbrel).
If none of the four pending FA’s re-sign or accept QO’s, the Cubs are very unlikely to be a factor in the NL Central next season. They’re barely relevant this season to say nothing of competing with the big boys out West or even with the Mets or Braves in the East. Does Tom Ricketts give Jed Hoyer carte blanche next offseason to spend all the savings he might incur with the FA departures or do the Cubs just rebuild around Nico Hoerner and their top near MLB-ready prospects? That’s the multi-million dollar question and the answer could start with the type of talent they seek and receive for Kris Bryant in the coming days and weeks. Bryant is the one slam-dunk to be traded because he is the player most adamant about testing the FA waters, especially with Scott Boras as his agent.
If the Cubs decide to pursue younger prospects the White Sox might have a better chance to make a deal with their city rivals. The Southsiders have graduated all of their top prospects to the active roster in the past couple of seasons so their most elite talent currently resides in A or Rookie Ball. The Cubs should be seeking pitchers and OF’s and that is the where the White Sox have the most system depth. If the Cubs want to retool I could see the White Sox parting with some of their most recent promotions including 3B Jake Burger and 1B/OF Gavin Sheets. The White Sox might also move a young power arm like Codi Heuer who seemed destined to be their future closer based on his 2020 campaign and before they signed Liam Hendriks this past offseason.
Dogbone
Your not getting the time of day, for Jake Burger. Delusional.
ASapsFables
Former recent #1 Draft picks generally hold a lot of value. Despite being selected as the overall #11 pick in 2017, Burger might qualify as recent and valuable because of the numbers he’s managed to produce despite his horrific achilles/leg injuries, along with a pandemic that limited his opportunity for PA’s last season.
Burger came to the White Sox as one of college baseballs most gifted hitters. He raked at Missouri State and has continued to do so as a pro with no apparent lingering effects from his injuries. In fact, Burger appears in better physical shape now because of his ordeals while also displaying a tremendous amount of fortitude during his recuperations.
Burger might be a surplus piece on the White Sox with Yoan Moncada locked up through 2025 with his recent contract extension and team option. A slimmed down Burger has also taken reps at 2B this season but is blocked there by Nick Madrigal. The White Sox also have an internal surplus at 1B/DH with the impacting bats of Jose Abreu, Andrew Vaughn and the return of Eloy Jimenez in a few weeks.
With Kris Bryant heading for free agency, Burger would be a sensible replacement for the Cubs at 3B. Bryant has played more OF in recent seasons but Burger has far more talent and upside than any of the Cubs who have tried to fill his shoes at the hot corner.
Oldman58
After giving Cy Young runner up Darvish away in a salary dump and holding onto other players too long there’s no faith Jed Hoyer will get fair market value in any possible trade. Cubs management must secretly be happy about their recent play and falling out of the race, you can’t trade off assets if it looks like you’re contending in your division.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
MLB STINKS! AND STINKS BIG TIME.
So only about 6 teams will be competing in each league after the all-star break.
STINKS!
MLB is an example of POOR SPORTSMANSHIP!!!!
PISS POOR SPORTSMANSHIP!!!!!!
The same mlb has taken it upon themselves to teach youth about morals…..
MLB STINKS!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Solve the problem=
Move the trade deadline to June 1
STOP CHEATING THE FANS!!!!!
mgomrjsurf
Get rid of Deadline and allow Trading all year round. Also Trades happen in Draft even without Draft Picks in Trades yet so Cubs looking for almost ready in return at Draft tonight Manifred annouces the Cubs Trade Kimbrel to who ever.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
@Mgo, I think that’s a great idea in fact they can figure out a way to tie it into the draft, it would provide some excitement Midsummer
burtgummer
I’ll take MLB over NBA any day of the week
Kayrall
Who is this clown and why is he repeatedly commenting about PoOr SpOrTsMaNsHiP?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Someone who is a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are.
CobiEven
Nope. You sir are an idiot. Pretty easy to see from your posts.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Everyone seems to accept this attitude of throwing in the towel.
80-90% of teams throwing in the towel
is TOTAL BS!
THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN A LEAGUE!
IT
IS BAD SPORTSMANSHIP.
IT CHEATS FANS.
IT SETS A BAD EXAMPLE FOR YOUTH.
MOVE THE TRADE DEADLINE TO.JUNE 1
STOP CHEATING THE FANS!
1984wasntamanual
Then it’s a good thing that’s not actually happening. You do realize more than 20% of teams make the playoffs, right?
A'sfaninUK
It’s July you nonce, stop being so mad and ENJOY BASEBALL GAMES
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Kimbrel to the Giants for 3 of their top 30 prospects. McGree and Rogers have been great but are in my opinion better suited to set up roles for the stretch run.
Central Valley
3 of their top 30 prospects for Kimbrel? I respectfully do not see Zaidi agreeing to that.
We shall see though.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I didn’t say top 10, I said top 30. Doval, Teng and Jaylin Davis would be a solid haul for the Cubbies and if Kimbrel pitches well in the second half the Giants have a Hall of Fame closer next year for 16mil. Remember the Giants paid Melancon 54 mil for absolutely nothing.
blotti
Dodgers or jays
bucincharlotte
Cubs may get a lottery ticket for him. Teams just won’t give up top kids any longer!
Wheeler Dealer
Are you serious???
A'sfaninUK
I keep telling everyone the Cubs told him to pick between the A’s and Astros last week, and he is selecting between them as we speak.
paindonthurt
Still waiting on that source…..
ASapsFables
Since when did MLB become the NBA where players make their own trades? Kimbrel doesn’t have 5/10 rights and to the best of my knowledge his contract does not include a no-trade provision. I believe Jed Hoyer would prefer making a deal that best helps the Cubs organization long term and with little need of assistance from his current closer.
ChiSox_Fan
Finally, a reasonably short post by long winded Aaron.
Sorry, but I have to mute anyway.
Doesn’t tell me anything I don’t already know. Posts too repetitive and condescending.
Thx.
1984wasntamanual
“Posts too repetitive and condescending.”
Pot…kettle.
ChiSoxCity
Meanwhile, back in the ranch…
canyon2129
There’s always that one guy who says call me before you make a deal. That’s the guy Jud will deal with.
bravesfan
Would love him to come back home to the Braves…. But we would waste him
Wheeler Dealer
Lets get something straight…. You want Kimbrel? you are gonna pay a fortune.
If the Cubs don’t get a kings ransom we have him signed for next year too so pay up till you squeak and then throw a sweetner in the deal too
1984wasntamanual
He’s not bringing back a fortune. If you are expecting that, you seriously need to temper your expectations. He’s not cheap and even though he’s been awesome this year, I’m not sure teams are going to just ignore the past couple. I’d like to see the cubs trade him because he really doesn’t do much for them and I don’t think his value will be higher, but you need to be realistic on what they’ll get back.
Wheeler Dealer
Think of me laughing at you after hes traded for not 1 or 2 but 3 top 30 prospects
He’s a lights out closer who is signed for next year also. but check back with me Aug 1
Tiger_diesel92
One for one Chapman for Kimberl and the add a prospect
brucenewton
Rays will pull it off.
justacubsfan
Can’t remember which one of the idiots on here was trying to “disprove” my assertion that the cubs were quitting, but there’s a new chicago tribune post that suggests Willy feels the same as I do. Where he “rips teammates”.
Yeah, so suck one
Altuves Buzzer
Padres, Jays, Dodgers in that order for me. With Padres being the most likely to pay a lot (term overpay is relative)
weezer17
Can we trade Jed for a half eaten corn on the cob?
Rsox
Dodgers probably make the most sense. A’s too