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Mets In Serious Talks With Max Scherzer

By Mark Polishuk | November 29, 2021 at 10:48am CDT

10:48am: Martino tweets that an agreement between the two parties again appears close.

9:50am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Mets’ offer to Scherzer is in the three-year, $129MM range. Sherman suggested earlier this morning that the Mets had the top offer and the Dodgers seemed reluctant to go beyond two years (Twitter thread).

Nov. 29, 9:33am: The Mets and Scherzer’s camp have “re-engaged” after some brief downtime overnight, Martino tweets. Martino suggests that talks could be nearing the finish line.

Nov. 28: The Mets are nearing a multi-year contract with Max Scherzer, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi writes (Twitter link).  Based on multiple reports from earlier tonight, Scherzer may be on the verge of signing the largest average annual value contract in baseball history.  SNY’s Andy Martino reported earlier tonight that the Mets were prepared to go beyond $40MM in annual salary, and in Martino’s latest tweet, he writes that New York is offering Scherzer a $42MM AAV over either three or four years.  Scherzer is represented by the Boras Corporation.

The news puts an exclamation point on a pitching search that has thus far been fruitless for the Mets, as targets such as Kevin Gausman, Jon Gray, Justin Verlander, Noah Syndergaard, and Steven Matz have all come off the board.  Matz’s deal with the Cardinals even drew some public ire from Mets owner Steve Cohen on Twitter, who accused agent Rob Martin of “unprofessional behavior” in their negotiations.

Those near-misses now fade into the background in the wake of what might be a precedent-setting contract with one of the best pitchers in baseball history.  Scherzer was seen as more likely to sign with a team on the West Coast, as per his preferences when leveraging his no-trade clause to join the Dodgers back at the trade deadline.  As such, teams like the Dodgers, Angels, and Giants were known to be in the hunt for the 37-year-old ace, but instead, Scherzer now seems poised to return to both the East Coast and the NL East itself, after six-plus seasons with the Nationals.

While Scherzer was already a highly accomplished pitcher before he went to Washington, he rose to legendary status after signing his seven-year, $210MM free agent pact with the Nats in the 2014-15 offseason.  Scherzer’s stint in D.C. included two NL Cy Young Awards (to go with his 2013 AL Cy with the Tigers), two no-hitters, a 20-strikeout game, a 2.80 ERA over 1229 innings, and the crowning achievement of the Nationals’ 2019 World Series championship.  All told, a strong case can be made that Scherzer’s deal is the best mega-deal in the history of free agency.

Once the Nationals fell out of contention this summer, Scherzer and Trea Turner were dealt to Los Angeles in a blockbuster swap, and Scherzer continued to pitch well in leading the Dodgers to the NLCS.  The Dodgers were still considered as the favorites to re-sign Scherzer up until just earlier this evening, as the Dodgers’ deep pockets gave them the flexibility to consider the type of huge AAV required to meet Scherzer’s asking price.  MLB Trade Rumors indeed projected Scherzer to set a new AAV standard, predicting him to a land a three-year, $120MM pact to remain in Dodger blue.

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  1. Francys01

    3 years ago

    Good for Scherzer. I was hoping the Giants would sign him, but more than 40 million per year is a lot.

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    • zimerust

      3 years ago

      Giants are up to something, or nothing.

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    • The Mets "Missed WAR"

      3 years ago

      The Mets are really going for it. I thought they might do this once they passed on Thor. Scherzer fits perfectly because he won’t be on a long term contract. If the Mets can add one more great starter they will be right in the thick of it. I don’t think this worries the Braves much though. They are used to facing Scherzer all the time. Same player just a different jersey. He’s also a year older. Good for the Mets for going for it. This is the offseason the Mets fans have been waiting for since Cohen took over. What’s the Mets luxury tax number at for next season now? I’m counting around $265M. They are less than $25 million away from the Dodgers all time record last year and they will still probably add another starter. I’m thinking this means the Dodgers are going after Ray or Stroman. Probably Ray. Or is this news going to be like last season when the Mets “signed” Bauer and then the Dodgers swept in?

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      • JackStrawb

        3 years ago

        The idea that the Mets are better than .500 if they add Scherzer is pretty funny.

        The 3 additions over the weekend added 4-5 WAR to a 77 win team that dropped 12 WAR to free agency, and with Scherzer is still 90 starts short of a full complement.

        They’ll pretend Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson are MLB-caliber starters, lose 82 next season, and go ‘wha happen?’

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        • PoloGrounds62

          3 years ago

          Take the needle out of your arm

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        • metfan4ever

          3 years ago

          Jockstrap, WAR is a BS Stat. There’s no way to prove the #s are right. We got a 3B who it 28hrs, and the best FA CFer.

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        • JackStrawb

          3 years ago

          @metfan4ever Really? There are still morons like you sucking puddles? Shoo.

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        • metfan4ever

          3 years ago

          Sorry user name autocorrect. Sorry

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        • Pachoo

          3 years ago

          The only people who think WAR is a BS stay are morons who are too stupid to understand basic math.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          3 years ago

          We’ve seen the Mets falter before after making a ton of additions to their roster. Seems like a great addition but let’s see how it plays out. There’s no assuming they’ve won anything yet.

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        • msqboxer

          3 years ago

          If WAR is a BS stat then why’d you sign Canha and Escobar?

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          OMG….enough with the WAR! There are a lot of things that go into how many games you win including luck, injuries, team chemistry etc. It’s not a one to one correlation with WAR.

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        • BuJoBi

          3 years ago

          @jack

          Can’t help but feel exactly the same.

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        • casorgreener

          3 years ago

          LMAO!! He called him Jockstrap.

          I won’t say WAR is a bs stat but it’s not the end all people pretend it is

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        • bball32

          3 years ago

          Marte, canha, Escobar add 9.6 WAR.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          The 3 additions over the weekend added 4-5 WAR to a 77 win team
          ===========================================
          I wrote the same thing as soon as they made the previous signings. They were either going to have $230M payroll, with a marginal chance of making the playoffs, or going to go close to $300M, with a marginal chance of winning the division.

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        • redsfan48

          3 years ago

          fWAR in 2021:

          Marte: 5.5
          Escobar: 3.0
          Canha: 2.6

          Even if you expect a 10% drop for each of them this season, that’s 10 WAR they added…

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          No. I like your version of his handle better…lol

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          So you WAR guys predicted the Braves to win the WS this year? Right…..lol.

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        • Ted

          3 years ago

          You need to account for the WAR they lost at each of those positions. Signing a 7 WAR player to replace a 2 WAR journeyman doesn’t add 7 WAR to your team.

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        • Ted

          3 years ago

          The Braves had a lot of things go really, really right for them. That doesn’t mean WAR is wrong, it just means unlikely things still happen. If the Mets’ strategy is going to be “I hope a lot of players suddenly overproduce” then that’s just gambling, not strategy.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          redsfan48
          Even if you expect a 10% drop for each of them this season, that’s 10 WAR they added…
          =============================
          Fangraph projections:

          Canha 1.9
          Marte 3.0
          Escobar 1.9

          That’s 6.8, but that also includes replacing the three players that played there last year. The three new guys are better than the old guys, but the old guys still had a 103 tOPS between those three positions.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          DJ-VJ
          So you WAR guys predicted the Braves to win the WS this year?
          ==================================
          Seriously? Is that the way you think statistics works? So if someone calls your AA all-in, with their 7-2 off-suit, in Hold’em, and beats you, do you think that you should always call with 7-2 off-suit?

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          metfan4ever
          Jockstrap, WAR is a BS Stat. There’s no way to prove the #s are right. We got a 3B who it 28hrs, and the best FA CFer.
          ==========================================
          As long as you are interested in HRs, the three guys you picked up hit 57 HRs last year. The amount of HRs that the NYMs got from those three positions were 57.

          How many more wins does 5 HRs translate to? Again, everyone is saying that the RELATIVE improvement is not that great.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          I don’t claim to be an expert on it, but WAR is one of the oldest and most simplistic of dozens of metrics they use. I’m sure a lot more goes into it.

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        • jim stem

          3 years ago

          One thing to take into account with WAR is actual games on the field, no? You can say a player had a 3 WAR, but if he played 50 games compared to a player who played 150 with a 2 WAR, who makes a bigger difference?

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        • metfan4ever

          3 years ago

          WAR is not an old thing, also it’s an agent and non-player stat. here a link

          bellyupsports.com/2018/08/war-why-its-a-dumb-stati…

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      • DakotaJoe

        3 years ago

        He turns 38 next season so even 3-4 years may turn out to be long.

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      • Richard Alicea

        3 years ago

        This move will handcuff the Mets, I’m hopeful that Max doesn’t want to don orange and blue. The Mets dodge a bullet by not signing Bauer, not signing Max feels the same. No question that Max has been one of the best starting pitchers in MLB, but he’s 37 and had arm fatigue during the playoffs, a clear sign that his arm is about to crumble. The Dodgers are a better run team, hence their reluctance to go a third year and rightfully so. Praying that he doesn’t sign and takes the Dodgers offer of two years.

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      • joeyrocafella

        3 years ago

        The Mets didn’t “pass” on Thor. They made him a QO and Thor said he went for the bigger deal, and didn’t give the Mets a chance to match. If he gave them that chance I bet Uncle Stevie would have given him the extra $2.6M difference

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    • Zerbs63

      3 years ago

      Didn’t we hear the Padres traded for him too, let’s wait until a deal is done. Scherzer has to be thinking do I really want to play for the Mets?

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      • bbatardo

        3 years ago

        He might have 42 million reasons times 3 or 4 to play for them.

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        • GASoxFan

          3 years ago

          How much of the 42m represents a pr*ck tax for having to play for Cohen you have to wonder..

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          Probably 4 million annually and 2 extra years.

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        • NYMetsFanatic

          3 years ago

          LOL what makes Cohen a pr**k? The fact that he brings opportunity to the Mets for probably the first time in their existence? As much as you don’t want to admit it; a. you only wish your team would dig that deep for marquee players, and b. whatever would you do with yourself if you didn’t have the Mets to smack around in the comments section.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Cohen has been an awful human being far before he owned the Mets. Google is your friend. That being said these owners are billionaires. Probably not a lot of nice fellas.

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        • prov356

          3 years ago

          Von – “That being said these owners are billionaires. Probably not a lot of nice fellas.”

          So in your world, if someone is successful, they are probably not nice? How many billionaires do you know? Comments like that are usually based on jealousy instead of facts.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          I only know 1 billionaire through workplace interactions. He was not a nice fella. Of course I’m using generalizations, and I’m not saying being wealthy makes you a bad person. But generally speaking, to be that wealthy you had to step on a few toes. Most of these team owners are public figures and its not hard to find some questionable behavior behind them or their companies. Definitely a generalization and of course there are exceptions

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        • prov356

          3 years ago

          I think people believe that just because you have money, you had to screw someone to get it. That may be true in some cases but many people simply worked hard and were smart. Being good at business and successful doesn’t automatically mean someone is a jerk, that’s all I’m saying.

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        • BuJoBi

          3 years ago

          Delusional.

          Mets are a horribly run franchise.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          @prove356 Absolutely agree. There’s not always a direct correlation between wealth and morality.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Hey look. Steinbrenner was an even bigger jerk and also got in legal trouble (incidentally leading to the greatest sports comment of all time by Reggie Jackson, roughly…One’s a born liar, the other is convicted). So if I no longer hear lol Mets, you can hate Cohen all you want as long as he brings us a WS win.

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        • steveb-2

          3 years ago

          That was NOT Reggie’s comment. That was said by Billy Martin, about Jackson & Steinbrenner in summer 1978, and he was fired shortly thereafter.

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        • Richard Alicea

          3 years ago

          I love my Mets and I’ve been a fan since 1964, but this move is not good and I’m hopeful that it doesn’t come to fruition. Max is a Lamborghini with 500 thousands miles on it. His arm is about to crumble and that contract will handcuff this team worse than Cano’s current contract.

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          @nymetfan
          In spite of the moves, we still have the Mets to smack around until they show it on the field. Until then, we don’t need to find something else to do.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          I stand corrected. It was Billy Martin (about Reggie and George).

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      • The Mets "Missed WAR"

        3 years ago

        Whoa… The Mets are going to pay this guy $42M a year when he’s in his 40’s? I know some pitchers last longer than position players but that’s insane. This guy is very likely to start declining as soon as next season at his age.

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        • DODGER JR

          3 years ago

          Next season???? Did you see Max in the playoffs? He started to decline this year.

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        • Zerbs63

          3 years ago

          Would you really be that surprised Mets are still paying Bonilla in his 50s

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        • Get Off My Mound

          3 years ago

          His 3rd best career walk ratio at age 36 really suggests he’s started to decline. And his sub 3 ERA in the postseason this really speaks to your point.

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        • citizen

          3 years ago

          Say wha???
          It probably went Cohen/eppler : how much do you want, scherzer? Boras 42 million per year for 4 years. Mets: OK!!!
          Desperate teams do desperate measures. It’s probably an overpay, the Mets probably didn’t shop around first. Scherzer is still good, but at 42 per year? A 32 year old scherzer would command top dollar.
          And they’re still paying bobby bonilla.

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        • giantsphan12

          3 years ago

          @DODGER, you fail to mention that Roberts totally mis-managed his pitching staff once again in the playoffs this year. There was zero reason to bring in Max and Julio in relief roles this year (2020 was different with Julio). I think the 9th inning of game 5 of the NLDS against my team greatly contributed to Max’s arm issues in the NLCS.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          GiantsPhan

          Roberts was told how to handle rotation by front office.

          Why do you say once again? This is the first year that I think they were a little too cute. Generally I think highly of Dodgers FO and Roberts. I also think highly of Giants FO and manager, though Kapler has some creepy comments out there he did a great job.

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          3 years ago

          “Whoa… The Mets are going to pay this guy $42M a year when he’s in his 40’s?”

          He’s 37 and it’s reportedly a 3-year deal. Grab your calculator.

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        • Pachoo

          3 years ago

          He turns 38 during the middle of next season. If he signs a 3 year deal, he ends it at the age of 40. 4 year deal sees him pitching while he is 41.

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        • LGM1979

          3 years ago

          The Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter

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        • Trump4TheWin

          3 years ago

          I’m a Nationals fan and I thought he was declining in 2019 when Stras was rising. I avoided him in Fantasy baseball drafts like the plague. That blew up in my face this past season. He was just as nasty as ever this past season. I guess the Mets are the lesser of two evils from a taxation perspective. Why guys would sign in Cali or NY blows my mind. The state governments just feast on these contracts. Kudos to Semien for taking his talents to Texas (and leaving a bunch of money in his pockets). Granted, these guys are financially well off either way, but considering these deals are all about money anyways, why not “TRULY” take the most amount home vice “on paper” appearing that you take the most amount home. I guess it’s ego driven either way.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Stras rising in 2019? He was good long before that. Maybe you are referring to his injury recovery.

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      • andremets

        3 years ago

        Yes

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        • metfan4ever

          3 years ago

          Sorry user name autocorrect. Sorry

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      • Bill M

        3 years ago

        No. Scherzer has to be thinking do I really want to take all this money from the Mets?

        That would be a yes.

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        Zerbs63, that is true. Scherzer was almost traded to the Padres until the Dodgers stepped up at the last moment. Bauer almost signed with the Mets last year, until the Dodgers stepped up. I guess we should wait for ink on contract before we assume the Dodgers won’t step up again. I suspect all things equal, Scherzer does prefer the Dodgers and the west coast. So far, it appears things are not equal.

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      • Deleted Userrr

        3 years ago

        Don’t think they ever said the Padres were getting him. They said the Padres were in talks to acquire him.

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      • Richard Alicea

        3 years ago

        Exactly, if he were excited about joining the Mets he would have signed the contract last night, but he didn’t, which is a clear indication that he prefers to stay in the west coast and not pitch against the Nationals. Max is not signing with the Mets, so you heard it here first when the news breaks.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Richard Alicea… That is one of the silliest comments I have ever heard. If he wasn’t interested in the Mets, he wouldn’t waste time with them. And what does one more day have to do with it?

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        I think fans make WAY too much of the supposed confusion in the Mets front office. I’m not a Mets fan, but I think they’ll be damn good—especially if they add another starter.

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    • Al Hirschen

      3 years ago

      42mil per year for 4 years

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      • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

        3 years ago

        Wow, Mets finally got somebody! Good for them!

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      • solaris602

        3 years ago

        Combine that with the $15M he’ll be getting annually from WAS over the life of that contract, and he’s actually making $57M/year. That’s insane.

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    • Deadguy

      3 years ago

      How in MLB with a luxury tax at what 220 million do you pay someone 42 million, unless they are Max Scherzer, Then you pay them 80 million.

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    • Tim Apple

      3 years ago

      Stupid deal for the Mets but should we really be surprised at this point with Cohen’s buffoonery?

      Basically swapped one gigantic injury risk for another. I mean $40 mil for those years is insane at his age and mileage.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Only a stupid deal if you care about money or the luxury tax. If they are open to a 330 million payroll the gamble might work. Not the right way to build a baseball team, but I am more upset with low spenders like the Pirates than egomaniacs like Cohen.

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        • Cohens_Wallet

          3 years ago

          Isn’t this the way the Dodgers got to where they are? 2015 Dodgers had a 317 million dollar payroll, if you add inflation on average of 1.5% per year that equals to about a 345 million payroll in present day.

          The path was made, all the Mets are doing now is following it.

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        • NYMetsFanatic

          3 years ago

          Exactly!

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      3 years ago

      I hope Max threw a bullpen session before they offered that money. I’d be hesitant after the whole “dead arm” thing in the World Series.

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    • Redwolves3

      3 years ago

      Scherzer would be a good fit for Giants rotation but not at his age or mega dollars. Too many other options available for less dollars.

      Sure hope Zaidi is not asleep at the wheel with all that money available to spend to improve the 2022 Giants.

      Plenty of pitching options out there – Ray, Rodon, Stroman, Kikuchi, Bassitt, Manaea, Montas, Castillo, Gray and bullpen options like Taylor Rogers or Kenley Jansen.

      Btw What happy to Alex Cobb? Been over a week since first reported Giants were in serious contact with Cobb.

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        Not one of the pitchers you mention is even close to Scherzer, and that includes Ray (possibly a one-year wonder). Now that Gausman is gone, they’d better trade for Castillo, if he’s available. Otherwise, the Giants rotation is in trouble.

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      3 years ago

      400 comments now. Let’s get this to 500!

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  2. Chris G.

    3 years ago

    deGrom and Scherzer next to each other in the rotation is just nasty.

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    • C-Daddy

      3 years ago

      Next to each other on the IL seems more likely.

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      • Brooklynmetsfan 2

        3 years ago

        Nope. Degrom will be fine next year. Healthy career fir the most part before that.

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        • Dufus magee

          3 years ago

          All see’er

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          Age is the great equalizer. He’s 34 next season and it’s fairly common for once healthy players, especially pitchers, to become chronically unhealthy as they trend into their 30s and certainly mid-30s.

          Jacob, though, might be able to learn how to pace himself a bit better with some guidance from Scherzer as deGrom’s max-effort style likely will lead to further break downs as he ages. What happened to deGrom in 2021 should be taken as a warning. Will he listen?

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        • KCJ

          3 years ago

          Rob M. –
          He’s 37, not 34. Insane contract for someone of that age

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        • tidybowlman

          3 years ago

          Like Nolan Ryan did with the same injury?

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          3 years ago

          He was taking about degrom

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          KCJ, I was referring to deGrom. You’re correct, though, in that at 37 Scherzer could slip quickly, as can deGrom at 34. Or, Scherzer could be like Verlander at 37. (I mean 36, as he was undergoing TJS at 37. Or maybe I did mean 37?!)

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        • mydadleftme

          3 years ago

          I think degrom throwing 102 consistently has something to do with his injuries, he was a hard thrower before but not this hard. Starting doing this before 2020 season got underway and since then he seems have had pretty consistent injury problems… it’s not like he was doing bad before those seasons

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        • Trump4TheWin

          3 years ago

          With all due respect, Verlander started banging a girl half his age. Dude found the fountain of youth during this mid-life crisis. Typically not the norm for an MLB pitcher.

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        • HistoryBelongstotheVictorsInArms

          3 years ago

          Maybe pull a Smoltz and make DeGrom your closer now that Max can be the ace…?

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        • Shoguneye

          3 years ago

          You’re only as old as the woman you feel 🙂

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Lol…yaa, must have been the girl that did it.

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      • Orel Saxhiser

        3 years ago

        Scherzer won’t officially sign the deal until his dead arm is healthy enough for him to press down on a pen.

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        • giantsphan12

          3 years ago

          @Cey Hey, he’ll officially sign THAT deal by shoving a pen in his right nostril and scribbling his name down on the contract with his nose if that’s what it takes. Holy cow. I was hoping the Giants would go big and sign him, but not for 4/168. Sheeesh!

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      • Chris G.

        3 years ago

        That’s a silly take. Aside from deGrom this past season, they’ve both been extremely durable throughout their entire careers.

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        • Pachoo

          3 years ago

          Except they are old pitchers now with lots of mileage on their arms. Hell, Scherzer ended this past playoffs with a dead arm.

          Expecting good health from pitchers their age is asking a lot.

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        • Lyman Bostock

          3 years ago

          Degrom doesn’t have a lot of mileage. He started pitching very late.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          @Chris G Scherzer literally had dead arm in the playoffs. Missed starts. The injury concern is not a silly take. It just happened.

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        • TheWomanWithTheGlassEye

          3 years ago

          Scherzer hasn’t been 37 his entire career either

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      • whiplash

        3 years ago

        Lmao that’s a good one. On the DL together.

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    • jvent

      3 years ago

      Hopefully deGrom can stay healthy

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    • Pachoo

      3 years ago

      Over/under on how many weeks next season they actually are in the active roster at the same time? 15 weeks?

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    • Cora the Destroya

      3 years ago

      So was DeGrom and Syndergaard and that got them to the playoffs once, maybe twice.

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        Scherzer is solidly better than Thor, even at his age.

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  3. C-Daddy

    3 years ago

    Hard to say no to $40 mil per, even if you have to play for the Mets.

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    • allweatherfan

      3 years ago

      I’d take a few mil less to pitch for someone else. Don’t do it Max.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      3 years ago

      Mets fans can no longer talk about the owner bit spending. They will though be talking about the team’s weak farm system if they still don’t win. The paint on the bulls eye is still drying.

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      • matteste187

        3 years ago

        6 picks in the top 100 will help that

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    • PhanaticDuck26

      3 years ago

      agreed…I really thought he’d pick a contending team at age 37. Oh well, money talks and he already has A) his World Series ring and B) his ticket to Cooperstown.

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      • LGM1979

        3 years ago

        How are the Mets not a contending team? They were in first for most of the season last year until the Braves finally started to bother playing. No team in the nl east is perfect and the Mets have gotten a lot better in the last few days.

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        • Pachoo

          3 years ago

          They ended up 5 games under 0.500. That is all that matters. If they were in first in July it just shows how crappy they were the last two to three months. Overall, they were a team that was 5 games under 0.500, not really a contender.

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          So what you’re saying is the Mets decided to stop playing?

          The Mets had losing seasons in 2021 and 2020. The start of 2021 was the fluke for the Mets, not the end. They were flat out horrible the second half.

          That said, I fully expect them to contend in 2022, but let’s not gloss over how bad the Mets have been the past two seasons.

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        • Ma4170

          3 years ago

          You mean they started losing when they lost the best sp in baseball? Imagine that
          And when you look at 2020 remember they lost Stroman and Syndergaard the whole year so finishing 27-33 would prob have been more like 33-27 with those two (especially considering how bad the sp was)

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          This is baseball. Jacob maybe doesn’t even get them to .500. Go look at their 2nd half record. They were a bad team that over performed in the first half. No need to waste time “defending” a bad team. Look forward to what they’re building in 2022.

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        • Carl Pocket 2

          3 years ago

          Thats like saying braves lost Soroka, Acuna and Travis…

          They won the WS if I remember correctly.

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        • LGM1979

          3 years ago

          That’s true but they picked up some guys who played way over their heads too. They weren’t in first before those players got hurt.

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        • TheWomanWithTheGlassEye

          3 years ago

          Throwing around a ton of money down automatically doesnt make you a contender. That’s all they have done in the last couple of days.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          And Ozuna.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Huh? They had huge injury issues and still finished with 77 wins. You win 10-12 more games next year and you are in the playoff hunt

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        • Richard Alicea

          3 years ago

          We were in first because all the other teams were asleep at the wheel. If you look back we were a 500 team for most of the time we spent in first place, that in an of itself is very telling. We could never get over the 5 games above 500 for almost 2 months. This team just lost Stroman who pitched well and Walker was lights out during that span in first place. With that said, adding a dead arm like Max will not move the needle that much even with Degrom at his best. The Mets as currently constituted is a 80 win team, and that’s having Degrom back. It makes no sense to go after Max if we don’t beef up the offense by adding Baez, adding an additional top tier pitcher and a left handed relief pitcher. Now if its Cohen’s intention to mirror what the Dodgers did to get into contention, then I’m all for it, but giving a 37 year old pitcher, who’s arm died during the playoffs, a massive contract is not the right way forward in my humble opinion.

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        hard to not consider the Mets a contender with the talent on their roster.

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        • Pete'sView

          3 years ago

          Wow, really? The Mets are a talented team in a weak division. I don’t think Braves fans (especially with their rotation) should get too smug). BTW, I’m not a Mets fan.

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  4. User 355748524

    3 years ago

    Wow.

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  5. MikeKush20

    3 years ago

    Good for the Mets and Scherzer.
    Glad the Angels didn’t over pay.

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    • 5toolMVP

      3 years ago

      Need Stroman in LAA now!

      But this makes LAD a possible spot for Stroman too.

      Pitchers are flying off the board!!

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        And SF.

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    • justinkm19

      3 years ago

      No you’re not. I refuse to believe an Angels fan would turn down a great pitcher on a short deal.

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      • MikeKush20

        3 years ago

        I am. That means we can go in on Stroman, and Iglesias.
        Next year Upton’s contract will be up and we will be able to spend again.

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        • aloop

          3 years ago

          I’m not really an Angels fan, but Arte’s track record of ignoring the problems the team has in favor of signing big name starts to bloated contracts would make me more nervous than excited knowing that he’ll be able to spend again after next season.

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        • justinkm19

          3 years ago

          I guess, but Stroman isn’t Scherzer.

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      • i like al conin

        3 years ago

        That payroll is already top-heavy and they still need to extend Ohtani. He would have been great of course but they have a long history of having payrolls constrain moves. What’s more telling is that the Angels were reportedly in this derby, which means they had to approach 40 mil, perhaps for one year, which means they can blow past their $182 mil 2021 payroll (they’re $25 mil away now). Perhaps it’s only for the right player, but still.

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  6. JeffreyChungus

    3 years ago

    YES BILLY EPPLER GO FOR THE KILL BRING THE LEAGUE TO ITS KNEES

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      It’s Cohen writing the checks. Eppler didn’t have that advantage with the Angels. Moreno told him to reduce payroll, told him he couldn’t sign pitchers to multi-year deals, and gave him a crap farm system that was ranked near the bottom for years before Eppler came in. To his credit he did get back up to #6 and several top prospects are now on the Angels, including Adele. He’ll do fine with the Mets.

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      • JeffreyChungus

        3 years ago

        My account should be called EpplerFan because I only follow baseball to see what kind of moves Ol’ BillyBoy is making

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          Waiting for you to rename to FletcherandEppler_9

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      • Pete'sView

        3 years ago

        Did Eppler sign Adele and Adell?

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  7. terry g

    3 years ago

    It’s only money, right? But wow.

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    • RunDMC

      3 years ago

      Scherzer making the rounds to runner-ups before running through the Hall of Fame. Dan Marino energy.

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  8. snoopy369

    3 years ago

    $40MM, for multiple years?  Mets really are working on buying a World Series Championship no matter what the cost…

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    • rct

      3 years ago

      Isn’t that the whole point of fielding a team?

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      • Orel Saxhiser

        3 years ago

        A World Series champion has never been built that way.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          2009 Yankees say hello

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        • fivepointspro

          3 years ago

          What are you talking about. How can you not remember the Dodgers….

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        • RunDMC

          3 years ago

          12+ years of mediocrity answering the waving back with a stupid grin

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        • rct

          3 years ago

          There have been a lot of World Series champions who have been built that way. What are you talking about?

          2020 – Dodgers – 2nd in payroll
          2019 – Nats – 7th
          2018 – Red Sox – 1st
          2016 – Cubs – 6th

          et cetera. Some teams pay a lot to get into the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may. Spending doesn’t guarantee success, and some organizations are successful despite not spending, but teams that spend more, on the whole, do better than teams that don’t. Take a look at MLB payrolls and compare winning percentage as you go down the list. Or google ‘does spending correlate with winning mlb’.

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        • Lyman Bostock

          3 years ago

          Wrong. The Yankees last title came after they signed teixera, Burnett and Sabathia in the same offseason. Pretty sure it was ‘09

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        • darkstar61

          3 years ago

          Which Dodgers you talking about?

          2020 they werent over luxury threshold and won

          2021 they were over luxury threshold and lost

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        • TheWomanWithTheGlassEye

          3 years ago

          “There have been a lot of teams built that way”

          Then gives a list of 4 teams as examples….. 4

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        • Brew’88

          3 years ago

          fact is 15 of the last 17 WS winners were teams in the top 8 in league payroll. So of course $ = higher WS probability. That’s baseball!

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          It’s needed until they build up their farm system up more. And they do have some decent relatively young players under 30….let’s see….Alonso, Lindor, McNeil, Nimmo….they also have some good 3rd base propects and a good catcher coming up.

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      • i like al conin

        3 years ago

        Most of all Yankees championships were bought. And many of the early ones were easy in an 8 team AL. Easy too without having to compete against many of the best players who were banned to the Negro Leagues.

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          The butt hurt runs strong through this one.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          3 years ago

          Rob, I was dying when I read this. Thank you for that.

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    • jvent

      3 years ago

      The Yankees tried for years, why shouldn’t the Mets try

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      • RobM

        3 years ago

        The Yankees payroll in 2021 was the same as it was 15 years ago, which means they’re spending less while all the competition increases their payroll. Every year, the Yankees are attached to all the free agents by writers and agents, but they generally target a big name every few years. Fans of other teams fear the Yankees will sign all the free agents. They don’t.

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        • DarkSide830

          3 years ago

          Yeah that’s the 2021 Yankees though. no one’s emulating the current Yankees rather than prior iterations.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Teams rarely ever buy championships, but the smart teams supplement their rosters with key free agents. The Mets, however, under Cohen are going to do their best to buy some championships. It still won’t be easy. Baseball is difficult.

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    • hoof hearted

      3 years ago

      @snoopy
      Right out of the dodgers playbook. look how that’s turned out.

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      • Orel Saxhiser

        3 years ago

        The Dodgers had/have a homegrown nucleus. The Mets are trying to do the opposite.

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        • rct

          3 years ago

          “The Dodgers had/have a homegrown nucleus”

          A homegrown nucleus with the highest payroll in the sport. What does it matter if they’re homegrown if you’re shelling out the money either way? I don’t understand the distinction.

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        • Ma4170

          3 years ago

          So do the Mets actually in degrom Alonso McNeil nimmo… I hate that they’re losing conforto and lost Syndergaard but a change is needed.. and I’m sure Dom will be gone… but they have homegrown guys, they’re trying to bring in supplemental pieces… I wouldn’t consider Canha and Escobar “buying a title”… they’re basically depth guys for a team that will rotate a lot of pieces in IF and OF.. scherzer and Lindor are the big signings.. even marte at 4/78 is not a big deal these days

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        • iml12

          3 years ago

          The Mets have plenty of homegrown players. The Dodgers have an absurd payroll of hired guns.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          rct:

          Homegrown nucleus, half your team is cheap from farm system, other half from big spending

          No homegrown nucleus, only a couple good players from farm (e.g., deGrom and Alonso), rest from big spending

          Even the high salary Dodgers and Yankees teams had multiple home grown players. Kershaw, Urias, May, Bellinger, Seager, Jansen,

          The big difference between the big spenders and the small spenders is that the small spenders cannot retain their homegrown stars. So I am NOT saying that the small spenders are on a level playing field, of course not.

          But it is not easy to take deGrom and Alonso and say that I am going to outbid the league to replace the rest with free agents. But there is always a first. and deGrom and Scherzer are unusual. If they are healthy for the post-season they could carry a team to WS like Scherzer and Straburg did for the Nationals. Or with deGrom and Scherzer injured, they could be a 300 million team with 77 wins.

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        • leftcoaster

          3 years ago

          None of W. Smith, Muncy, Seager, Lux, Taylor, T Turner, J. Turner, Bellinger, Buehler, Kershaw, Urias, May, Gonsolin, Jansen, Scherzer, Graterol or Barnes, were acquired via free agency. They’ve also lost some good ones like Kike and Joc. They pay handsomely to keep their players which has been instrumental in their high payroll. Isn’t this what we all want our teams to do?

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        • fox471 Dave

          3 years ago

          Wrong young grasshopper.

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        • fox471 Dave

          3 years ago

          This post was for iml12

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        • metfan4ever

          3 years ago

          Sorry user name autocorrect. Sorry

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          3 years ago

          Name them.

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        • decimal_decibel

          3 years ago

          Huh? I’m not saying the Mets have the best core, but I certainly wouldn’t go so far as to say that half of the team or even core was bought in free agency. That might change in a couple of years but nah, it’s not like that yet.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Lindor, Marte, Canha, Scherzer, Walker, McCann…ummm yea. This team is store bought.

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        • Brew’88

          3 years ago

          I’m just glad LA homegrowns Keibert Ruiz, Josiah Gray and Carrillo are out of the NL West

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        • FredMcGriff for the HOF

          3 years ago

          @left. Justin Turner and Max Muncy were added to the Dodgers via free agency.

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          It’s needed until they build up their farm system up more. And they do have some decent relatively young players under 30….let’s see….Alonso, Lindor, McNeil, Nimmo….they also have some good 3rd base propects and a good catcher coming up. They can drop some of the recently signed guys when the propects come up

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        • DJ-VJ

          3 years ago

          Degrom, Nimmo, McNeil, Smith, Peterson, Familia, Magill, Alonso, Ali Sanchez…what’s your point? And they only recently lost Wheeler, Matz, Rosario, Giminez, etc. They also have some good propects coming up and mentioned building up their farm system. You can do both you know.

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    • KCJ

      3 years ago

      Snoopy369 –
      It’s plain stupidity to give a guy a 4 year deal at age 37 for $42 mil a year. Is he going to be worth a crap at ages 40 and 41?? I’d bet no, and the history of baseball agrees with me. The Mets are stupid and desperate

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      • LGM1979

        3 years ago

        It’s just money, there’s no cap. Who cares how much it costs if you have that much money. Its only stupid if it handcuffs you in the future.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          I agree with Jeremiah in the sense that if the Mets are willing to spend 350 million they could be the best team in baseball even if only Scherzer or deGrom is healthy. Sign Ray and Stroman, put Correa or Seager at 2B, and Taylor in outfield.. But at 290 million, I will take Braves, Dodgers and even Brewers over the Mets. I really hope deGrom is healthy even though I am not a huge Mets fan. He is so amazing when he is at his best. I hope that his career is not over.

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  9. LGM1979

    3 years ago

    Holy SH#T. Let’s Go Mets!

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  10. bucsfan0004

    3 years ago

    These guys that always go “lol Mets” are about to eat crow on this one.

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    • baseballpun

      3 years ago

      Unless he gets old fast.

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    • Pachoo

      3 years ago

      Lol no, Mets will continue to be a laughing stock. By spending so much on three 33 year old position players and a 38 year old pitcher, the Mets will have a payroll likely over $300M when all is said and done, for the oldest team in baseball. When the Mets miss the playoffs yet again next year, LOL Mets will be heard louder than ever,

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    • 17dizzy

      3 years ago

      If he stays healthy!! It’s a gamble—- but he should be well worth the money. Arm trouble during those years? The Mets will eat a lot of cash.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      We will see if the Mets are the new Yankees or the new Angels. And if the Mets can build a farm system in just 3-4 years.

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      • bucsfan0004

        3 years ago

        There’s a difference between the ‘new’ Yankees and the Angels? Do explain

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    • prov356

      3 years ago

      Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

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  11. 2012orioles

    3 years ago

    Vomitrocious

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  12. justinkm19

    3 years ago

    Rosenthal tweeted the Dodgers may lose Seager to the Rangers.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      I don’t believe he tweeted that. I saw him tweet they’re interested.

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  13. jvent

    3 years ago

    The Mets need more than just Scherzer thou, maybe a lefty too Rodon ? Trade for Means ?

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    • joeyrocafella

      3 years ago

      Rodon would be a great addition

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      • joebourgeois

        3 years ago

        Rodon on DL 2016, 17, 18, TJ surgery in 19, ran out of gas at the end of this year

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        • bucsfan0004

          3 years ago

          Seems like the Dodgers would baby him appropriately throughout the course of a season

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    • matteste187

      3 years ago

      Means makes sense. Esp to unload dom or mcniel.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Except that Orioles are going to want much more.

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    • josebatista89

      3 years ago

      Call up the Reds and get Castillo kids going to shine when he gets out of Cincinnati

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  14. PitcherMeRolling

    3 years ago

    Holy hell. Cohen got pissed about Matz and redefined eff you money. This is awesome.

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    • Cohens_Wallet

      3 years ago

      What’s the point of having F U money if you never say F U!

      Mark it.

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  15. RobM

    3 years ago

    The Mets signing Scherzer I think increases the Dodgers odds of signing Seager. They’ll shift money in that direction. Maybe.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      3 years ago

      The Dodgers aren’t signing Seager. The best we can expect is bringing back Kershaw. Other than that, it will be a bunch of bits and bobs in an effort to get below the CBT.

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      • mlbdodgerfan2015

        3 years ago

        Agreed. I think they let Kershaw come back as long as he wants to and contract is not too out of whack compared to market. Doubt Kershaw would push for more money than market though. I wonder if Kershaw wants to move on knowing that the Dodgers are in decline.

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  16. stevecohenMVP

    3 years ago

    This is crazy. Still need another arm. I’d go Rodon then you gotta cap it off with Baez and trade McNeil Smith and Davis for relief pitchers

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  17. nats3256

    3 years ago

    As a Nationals fan this hurts my heart. As a fan of Max, make that money!!!!!!

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  18. Fg-3

    3 years ago

    Just unreal… the Mets blowing the Yankees out of the free agent water! Is the world Flat now???

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  19. Al Bundy 21

    3 years ago

    Yankees once again miss out. Mets aren’t playing around this time. Good to see big money being spent.

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    • KCJ

      3 years ago

      JeetFan2 –
      The Yankees didn’t miss out on anything. They were smarter than to beat the idiotic Mets offer to pay a 40 and 41 year old $42 million dollars in 3-4 years. What a stupid thing to do. Think the Tigers have liked paying Miguel Cabrera all this money after he was washed up? How about the Angels and Pujols? I guess the Mets didn’t learn

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      • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

        3 years ago

        @KCJ- I kind of disagree with you. I’ll tell you why. If the Mets win a Championship in the next 4 years, then it was all worth it then. If the Yankees signed Mad Max for 4 years I would of been fine with it. Max has proven he is better than Cole right now. With a healthy deGrom and Max the Mets will now have have 2 solid aces in their rotation. Of course 3 years and a club option would of been preferable. This was the only way the Mets could sign him, was by offering him the 4 years.

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  20. Larry Bernandez 1324IM

    3 years ago

    Max’s jersey will go great next to former Met aces like Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana.

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    • basilisk4

      3 years ago

      On the “pitching greats who didn’t win a World Series with the Mets” wall?

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      • phenomenalajs

        3 years ago

        I see all the Mets’ haters are salty tonight. That list is not bad company, even if they were all very accomplished by the time they joined.
        Also, we don’t know what will happen in the CBA. It’s possible we could see both a hard floor ($100M) and a hard cap ($300M).

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Mets are going over the hard cap you just suggested.

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    • josebatista89

      3 years ago

      LOL Expect they aren’t getting Max. Max, is either going to the Dodgers, or Angles.

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  21. Vizionaire

    3 years ago

    only to bite their behind!

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  22. cookmeister 2

    3 years ago

    Scherzer is obviously great
    But he hasn’t finished the last two postseasons he’s been a part of.

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    • krussMETS

      3 years ago

      He had the dead arm last year but pitched game 7 of the 2019 World Series so I’m not sure what you mean.

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  23. larry48

    3 years ago

    Mets defense is still not very good, bad at 3b, 2b,lf, rf, and first base. Met will be lucky to finish 500 in 2022.

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    • LGM1979

      3 years ago

      Marte in center means Nimmo in left, thats pretty good outfield d. Alonso is at least league average at first and McNiel is a average 2b, where’s the bad d? Could still be in on biez too.

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      • marcfrombrooklyn

        3 years ago

        They must be watching reruns of 2019 and 2020 games.

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    • matteste187

      3 years ago

      And dom at 1B with Pete DH is a very good 1Bman. If they bring back Baez too then their defense is fuego. Lineup as well.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        3 years ago

        Pete’s a better glove than Dom.

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      • Richard Alicea

        3 years ago

        Baez is key, if they are going all out for Max then Baez is a no brainer to retain. His swagger, defensive and offensive skills are off the charts. If they don’t bring him back then they are just another 80 win team with a large payroll.

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  24. Kewldood69

    3 years ago

    I’m a Dodgers fan and want him to come back, but I’m all for Billionaires spending their money and basically not being the A’s. Good for Cohen and for the fanbase. Good luck to the Mets.

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  25. PhanaticDuck26

    3 years ago

    Cohen acting like a poker player on tilt; lost a sort-of big hand with the Matz situation, and how he’s pissed off and playing like there’s no tomorrow.

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    • i like al conin

      3 years ago

      Haha so good!

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    • Nevrfolow

      3 years ago

      He’ll go full tilt if some other team comes in and lands Max.

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  26. ❤️ MuteButton

    3 years ago

    I kind of feel like Max deserves better. Hopefully this works out for Mets fans because their organization has been a bit on the dysfunctional side

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    • matteste187

      3 years ago

      Changing the culture baby. Changing the culture.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      Max could chose 168 mil/4 yrs with Mets or 120 million/3 yrs with Dodgers or 80 mil/2 years with Giants, Angels and maybe a dozen other teams. He made his bed now he can lay in it. Again, if he and Jacob are healthy, maybe Mets make playoffs. It is a gamble that would mess up many teams’ future, but maybe not for Cohen if he intends to spend at high levels for a long time.

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  27. basilisk4

    3 years ago

    And the Mets will still suck.

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  28. Metsin777

    3 years ago

    I don’t think this is the smartest move due to Scherzer going into his age 38 season with a history of back issues. Signing a mix of Matz,Gray, and trading for a guy like Castillo or Beiber would of been a better way of bolstering the team but what do I know. All those moves would probably be cheaper than signing Scherzer as well

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    • LGM1979

      3 years ago

      It’s just money and the Mets have plenty.

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    • i like al conin

      3 years ago

      They’re really paying him for the playoffs.

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  29. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    3 years ago

    I prefer the Dodgers to re-sign Seager and Taylor. That being said, Cohen is turning the Mets into a different team. If they can enhance their farm system, that would sure help. And trade Smith and Davis to Rockies for permission to hire Bud Black as Mets’ manager. Schmidt may be happy to have excuse to hire his own man.

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    • Faith in the Padres

      3 years ago

      Doubt they resign Seager

      Possibly Taylor

      Other teams can offer substantially more to Seager.

      Seager to Yankees seems most likely.

      Taylor going to Red Sox to play CF while Hernandez moves to 2B seems likely.

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    • matteste187

      3 years ago

      There gonna bring in buck.

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    • Orel Saxhiser

      3 years ago

      I’m okay with letting Seager walk. But if they re-sign him, look for Trea Turner to be traded for solid rotation help.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        If you think Seager will be expensive wait and see what Trea will get in a year. Dodgers should sign Seager. And yes Mets could easily make playoffs if deGrom and Scherzet are healthy all year. And what a wild card game is the two go back to back. But so would not bet all my lunch money in both being healthy all year.

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        • mlbdodgerfan2015

          3 years ago

          I think most likely Scherzer, Seager and Taylor all won’t be back with the Dodgers unless they take much less than market. Meaning they won’t be back. Not the worst thing in the world to hit a mini reset button here for the Dodgers. I wonder if Kershaw and Jansen also sign elsewhere. They will still have a competitive team but not WS caliber team. They need to get more elite prospects at the farm. You knew this day would come at some point as it would be cost prohibitive to sign all their free agents.

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        • A Seal

          3 years ago

          I agree, but I also don’t think LA is in “decline.” They have many great prospects not too far off. They are simply in a blip in competitiveness. They still make the playoffs, and anything can happen there. Being as good as they were didn’t help them much in the playoffs anyways.

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  30. Ewayne

    3 years ago

    Scott Boras has made a lot of $$$ today….

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      He’s the best agent out there, which is why he’s so hated by other agents and owners. If i was gifted with MLB talent, Boras would be my agent.

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  31. 17dizzy

    3 years ago

    Just wishful thinking that Scherzer would be a Cardinal the 3 years. Probably better for all of those concerned that he’s going to the Mets.

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  32. Faith in the Padres

    3 years ago

    Largest AAV in history. Well Mets finally got their man. 10th times the charm.

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  33. davidk1979

    3 years ago

    Mets haters quiet

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    • KCJ

      3 years ago

      davidk1979 –
      No, they’re all laughing hysterically at the ridiculously stupid contract they just gave out. Might be ok for next year. Maybe even the year after. But when he’s 40 and 41 they’re gonna pay him $42 mil a year? Good luck with that. Nolan Ryan is the ONLY pitcher who’s been worth a crap at that age in my 50 years. Plain stupid.

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      • AgentF

        3 years ago

        Seems more like you’re hoping this algorithm for projecting players’ health comes true as you clearly hate the idea that Mets will have the two best pitchers in baseball. Nolan Ryan isn’t the only one either, that is just another thing you are using to fit your narrative. Clemens was dominant into his 40s, Johnson as well. Hell, in 2005 they finished 1 and 2 in the NL CY. Adam Wainwright is 40 and he just had an excellent season. Smoltz was still dominant as a 39-40 year old. Mussina finished his career as a 20 game winner with a great ERA at the age of 39.

        What do all of these guys have in common? Oh ya, they’re HOF caliber players… which Scherzer certainly is, too. Who in their right mind would opt for Matz over Scherzer? Age isn’t a good enough argument here. Also, Mets may be spending money, but they are not compromising their farm system. They are adding without having to give up anything. Hate away.

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        • Appalachian_Outlaw

          3 years ago

          They definitely will *not* have the best two pitchers in baseball. As much as I hate the Mets, I’m not going to sit here and try to say Scherzer and DeGrom aren’t good. Neither are currently the best, however.

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  34. candymaldonado

    3 years ago

    All the people used to typing LOLMets all the time just looking at their phones confused and angry right now

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  35. Camden453

    3 years ago

    Mets fans starting to chant, “Steve-en Co-hen! Steve-en Co-hen!”

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  36. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    3 years ago

    Gotta think Dodgers, Giants and Angels are doing diligence on Stroman right now.

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    • Smacky

      3 years ago

      Like they did with Bauer?

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Hopefully Bauer has taught them. Didn’t Bauer show he was a jerk going after a younger woman’s social media post? Stroman has a huge ego but seems ok. Liked by Mets clubhouse but not so much in Toronto. Maybe he matured?

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  37. TradeAcuna

    3 years ago

    Remember when the Padres were close to acquiring Max?

    I guess the Mets are putting all the marbles on winning in 2022. If they don’t, back to the cell they go.

    Also, the Dodgers couldn’t win with their rotation last season. What makes the Mets think they will with a top-heavy rotation, worse offense, worse depth, worth farm, and worse bullpen than the Dodgers?

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    • Faith in the Padres

      3 years ago

      So whyd you change your username once the Braves won the world series after you spent the entire year dissing them and telling Freeman to sign elsewhere?

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        3 years ago

        @Faith in the Padres: Thank you!!! I had been wondering what the little rat had changed his name too. Been wanting to ask him myself if he thinks Freddie Freeman will ever win a ring with the Braves. Blows mind how often he puts his ridiculous predictions in his name.

        He was the same guy who used his name to state the Braves would not win in the playoffs if they didn’t sign Bumgarner. Oh yes. He is our version of MetsFan22.

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        • sevans36

          3 years ago

          Don’t forget that he also spent a year and and a half stating Acuna was overrated and fried was nothing more than a back end rotation piece.. loves to gloat when he thinks he is right but never owns up to his completely false predictions, lol

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  38. Smacky

    3 years ago

    The Mets: where pitchers go to break.

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    • prov356

      3 years ago

      Smacky – Don’t insult the Angels like that.

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  39. dmbphils27

    3 years ago

    Good for Max. If healthy, he and Degrom would be very bad news for the Phils. Now if Dave D would wake up/come back from vacation and start making some moves that’d be better!

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  40. Metsman22

    3 years ago

    Lol Mets.

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    • Smacky

      3 years ago

      We don’t even know what kind of arm he has. It wasn’t working the last time we saw him. His elbow or shoulder very well could be hamburger meat.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        Smacky

        During the 2021 regular season, he was prime chuck.

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  41. Rsox

    3 years ago

    $40+ million per seaaon for a 38 year old Pitcher. Doesn’t scream desperate at all…

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      Screams, “NOBODY’S GONNA TURN ME DOWN AGAIN EVEN IF I HAVE TO PAY OUT THE @$$”

      The caps were for emphasis on the yelling part, obviously.

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  42. FloridaMan1988

    3 years ago

    Over the hill.

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  43. cb19

    3 years ago

    Mets fans are all like, I hope Degrom can stay healthy. That’s a very reasonable comment, but where are the I hope Max scherzer can stay healthy comments. Dude is 37 and if rumours are correct the AAV is north of 40 mil a year on a multi year contract. That’s scary. Degrom has an opt out after next year. If he stays healthy and performs he’s going to ask for 5 and 250 if Scherzer gets his contract…lol. Fun times ahead for the mets!

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    • LGM1979

      3 years ago

      There’s no cap in baseball and Coen has 14 billion dollars, who cares about money?

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      • Faith in the Padres

        3 years ago

        People are always generous with other people’s money. Mainly politicians.

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      • KCJ

        3 years ago

        Jeremiah –
        In case you didn’t know, the collective bargaining agreement ended and there very well could be a cap in the very near future. Mostly to prevent idiocy like this or the Trevor Bauer contract.

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        • LGM1979

          3 years ago

          Could be, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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        • Samuel

          3 years ago

          Interesting comments from you two.

          If this contract goes through it will galvanize the majority of MLB owners, and rest assured that there will be a major work stoppage….the 2022 season will be in doubt.

          This rumor makes Lindor’s contract look reasonable.

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        • Faith in the Padres

          3 years ago

          Hi AAV is nothing new

          Bauer signed a 3 year 102 mill deal last off season. He’s scheduled to make 32 mill this year.

          Scherzer signing possibly a 3 year 126 mill deal, 42 mill a year, won’t galvanize owners.

          If anything owners would be happier to sign players to shorter deals than longer deals. Yes they pay more per year but they pay significantly less overall.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          3 years ago

          Players will only agree to a cap if there is a floor and significantly sooner free agency. More likely, none of those things.

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  44. LarryJ4

    3 years ago

    Max the next pitcher the Mets will break. I get 40 mill per is probably worth it at this point for him lol.

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  45. deuceball

    3 years ago

    So he used his NTC to block a trade to New York at the deadline, pulled himself from a nlcs game because of a dead arm and now he’s taking his dead arm to the Mets? Does his agent work for the braves?

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  46. Bledcam

    3 years ago

    I just listened to a whole lot of people claim Texas paying Semien 175 over the course of seven years until he’s 38 is “stupid” and “disastrous” and I know a lot of those same people are going to applaud New York for paying Scherzer 168 over the course of four years STARTING at 37.

    I mean I’m happy for Mets fans. But come on now.

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    • CalcetinesBlancos

      3 years ago

      You can’t compare the two. Scherzer has a better track record. With Semien you’re praying he doesn’t turn into the pre-2019 version.

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      • Bledcam

        3 years ago

        Scherzer pulled himself out of a playoff game a month ago because he had a dead arm. He’s 37 years old. Hoping a 31 year old doesn’t revert to the player he was three years ago and potentially paying a 37 year old pitcher 160+ million are definitely not the same things. One is substantially more risky.

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  47. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    AAV’s are reaching NBA levels now. This is insane lol. I’ve loved mad max for ages despite him never pitching for my team but over 40 mill per year for a almost 38 year old pitcher (as great as he has been) ? YIKES

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      Keep in mind he is already getting 14MM for the next 7 years from the Nats. That’s $56MM for each of the next 4 years.

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  48. LGM1979

    3 years ago

    The Mets are doing the same thing the Dodgers did, over spend to compete while the farm replenishes.

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    • fred-3

      3 years ago

      The Dodgers had Stan Kasten and Freidman running the team. The Mets have Billy Eppler.

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    • Smacky

      3 years ago

      You do realize with each of the upper tier players they sign they forfeit a high draft pick?
      Not sure how you restock the farm with out trading for prospects when you’re lighting your top draft picks on fire.

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      • LGM1979

        3 years ago

        You do realize they haven’t signed anyone with draft picks attached. No qo on Marte or Sherzer.

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        • Smacky

          3 years ago

          You are correct here. My bad.

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      • Pachoo

        3 years ago

        None of the free agents the Mets have signed will make them forfeit a draft pick, including Scherzer.

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    • Orel Saxhiser

      3 years ago

      The Dodgers farm system has always been good during the Friedman era.

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  49. VonPurpleHayes

    3 years ago

    Two schools of thought here. Mets obviously are getting a great pitcher. Good for them, but it’s not without concern. The Mets rotation is full of potential injury risks, and outside of the amazing 1-2 punch isn’t that great. Mets will be paying a 40 year old man 40mm in his 3rd year. Mets payroll will be skyrocketing towards the 300 mark, and I still can’t say with confidence that they will win the division. What I do see is a 3 year plan. They’re going hard now with these short term deals. They can fall back under the tax in 3 years and regroup. Met fans deserve to be excited (as they were last year), but the injury bug will rear it’s ugly head, especially with a 38 year old pitcher with dead arm. Cohen is insane. Enjoy him. Fear him. Mock him. Love him. It’s going to be nuts.

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      @Von, yes. The potential negative is Scherzer slips into being merely good, DeGrom Has now slipped into injury prone, and the three batters they signed on Friday, all 33, begin to trend down next year. Huge payroll and still a mediocre team.

      My experience with baseball is rarely does everything go right or wrong. Somewhere between. They’ll be better. How much TBD. They will be expensive.

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  50. JAMES JACOBSEN

    3 years ago

    Do you think Max will be ok with being #2 in the rotation?

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    • Bill M

      3 years ago

      Fair question. I’m guessing when he sees his first paystub he’ll be OK with being #20 in the Mets rotation

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      It’s a non-issue for at least another season anyway.

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  51. everlastingdave

    3 years ago

    It’s probably a lot of fun being Billy Eppler right now. I wonder how much fun it’ll be next summer and fall. Free agent Voltroning almost never works, but it did in NYC in 2009.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      The difference is that team had been averaging 94 wins the four previous seasons, and had a great core with Jeter, Cano, Rivera, Posada, Matsui, etc. They then went for the kill to push them over the hump. Smart move then, and obviously in retrospect. What the Mets are trying to do is take a legitimately bad team and attempt to buy a championship. And, btw, I have no problem with that at all. Play to win. Use all your resources. The team across town no longer does that.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        3 years ago

        Rob, most people who talk this way about NYY are simply ignorant of their actual teams. They simply repeat commentary they’ve heard.

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        • RobM

          3 years ago

          @YankeeClipper, it makes them feel better about their own team that can’t play at the level. The Yankees haven’t had a losing season since the early ’90s. Their bad seasons are good seasons for other clubs. I applaud the Dodgers for what they’ve done. I’m fine with the Mets going for it to buy a championship. Maybe it will jolt Hal into further action. He’s actually a good owner, he does spend a lot on the team top to bottom, but he doesn’t do enough to push the MLB club across the goal line in recent years, to mix my sports metaphors. He did in 2009. He had a good club that he recognized could win it with a some key signings. That’s the guy we need back.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      Eppler just set himself up to be the fall guy should these moves not work out, so I do hope he is having fun

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        3 years ago

        I doubt he was getting too many phone calls, he has nothing to lose but his pride. (Not much.)

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  52. VegasSDfan

    3 years ago

    I like him anywhere but in LA!! Come on Mets land that guy

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    • Herc33

      3 years ago

      Anywhere out of the NL west is ideal

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  53. mattyvince

    3 years ago

    Degrom needs to fire his agent immediately

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      He can opt out after 2022. Stay healthy, and he’ll eclipse Scherzer’s deal easily.

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  54. Duffy S. Cliff

    3 years ago

    Come on, make it 3/$150 million or 4/$200 million, I wanna see $50 million a year. Seriously though, what a statement from both sides.

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  55. whiplash

    3 years ago

    It helps to have deep pockets. But look what’s gotten the Dodgers. A half a World Series ring which should have an asterisk.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      The Dodgers have been a machine year in and year out, Multiple NL West titles, multiple NL pennants, many trips to the World Series, including a championship. The idea that they only have one title with all their other success is one pitched by fans of losing teams who can’t compete. You’ll all be happy if your team could mimic the Dodgers, and that’s what Cohen is trying to do with the Mets.

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      • whiplash

        3 years ago

        You’re right, not every team can afford to spend $300M a year and still not win it all. No doubt they’re a good team but they needed a half year to win it all with no fans in the stands.

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    • fred-3

      3 years ago

      Yet, all these teams keep hiring away Dodgers executives to transform their run-down teams. They must be doing something right.

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      • whiplash

        3 years ago

        Name the last executive that was hired away from the dodgers. I couldn’t remember.

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        • dodgerfan83

          3 years ago

          Well Zaidi became the Giants GM last year got them 107 wins.

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  56. aloop

    3 years ago

    “New York is offering Scherzer $42MM over either three or four years.”

    So… is it $42 million over the span of three or four years, or $42 million PER year for 3-4? Because there is a MASSIVE difference there.**

    ** And yes, I know the writer meant $42 million per year, I’m just pointing out that leaving out one word (from a tweet no less), changes things majorly.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      3 years ago

      No one would think it would be 42 total so it’s really unnecessary

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    • Pachoo

      3 years ago

      No one would be stupid enough to think it’s $42m total over 3 or 4 years.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      You’re about the only person questioning wording in tweets. It was understood.

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    • Lyman Bostock

      3 years ago

      Not as interesting as you must have thought, when you posted that pointless comment.

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  57. cgallant

    3 years ago

    Classic Mets move

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  58. NatsFan90

    3 years ago

    This is the bad place.

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  59. Dustyslambchops23

    3 years ago

    Could this just be a leak to put pressure on where he really wants to go?

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    • paindonthurt

      3 years ago

      Christ man. That answer is no.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      If Cohen flipped on Matz playing games, just imagine Cohen’s tirade if he goes to Southern California now. I think Scherzer will be a Met and that they must have offered a fourth year.

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  60. Jal179

    3 years ago

    I was thinking 3/105. Cohen just went balls deep.

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  61. Fg-3

    3 years ago

    Citi Field is a pitchers dream.. he will win another cy young in NY. People who think this is bad? Did you see his stats this year?? He’s better than Cole and DeGROM. I cant stand the dude.. but he’s Randy Johnson.. Curt Schilling.. Nolan Ryan he’s that guy. Thank God the Yankees don’t need to really face him.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      deGrom is better than Scherzer if he is ever healthy again. But he might not be. Huge gamble by Mets it could work or if could fail horribly. No matter what it will help entertain fans.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      You mention last year. He couldn’t pitch towards the end of the playoffs because of dead arm. He will be 38 in July. There are red flags. He will be the highest paid pitcher in baseball history…he will be 38-41 through the Mets contract. This is great, but scary. Absolutely scary. Not a smart deal, but a all-in deal. It’ll be fun to see how it goes. Disaster can be looming, but big boys and girls play for keeps.

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  62. PutPeteinthehall

    3 years ago

    Over pay for a guy that will start the last chapters of his HOF career. SMH 42 mil a year for a guy to start 25-30 games IF he stays healthy. 42 million for his 40 year old arm season…….
    Eppler and Cohen must have been out last night getting sauced.

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  63. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    I know cashman always operates ninja style (and man I mean ninja) but come on cash players won’t be on the market forever so let’s do this 🙁

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  64. CalcetinesBlancos

    3 years ago

    He’s the rare FA who holds up his end of the bargain.

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      He did indeed with his previous contract. It’s going to be very interesting to see how he does with this one but he is built like those old school guys so met fans should be optimistic. For now you would have to assume the dead arm this past post season for him was a fluke

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  65. LordD99

    3 years ago

    I fully expect the Mets to sign Scherzer, but let’s be honest, we’d love to see the meltdown in Greenwich if we awake in the morning to find Scherzer signed with the Dodgers.

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      I keep refreshing this page and nothing has changed. I’ve been wondering if the Dodgers will do the ultimate sniping job and attack with a counter offer lol

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      • Samuel

        3 years ago

        When you leave the Dodgers in the dust on money…….

        Again, if this goes through expect a long lockout over the new CBA. This will be the preverbal straw that broke the camels back. Historic.

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    • RobM

      3 years ago

      Hadn’t thought about that, @lord, It would be seismic. The angry Cohen explosion might even spill over into the stock market!

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  66. Camden453

    3 years ago

    I still say insiders and the media are just trolling Cohen again

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  67. Lyman Bostock

    3 years ago

    I’m confused why people act like the Mets are so bad. They’ve made the playoffs plenty of times in my lifetime. Made 2 World Series in the last 20 years. That’s not a bad ratio to get there every decade. We finally got rid of the Wilpons. I’m not feeling any of this negativity.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      I think recently they’ve been a circus on the PR side of things, but I don’t think they’re bad. Just mediocre, and consistently over hyped by their fans and the media. That being said, moves like this can put them over the top. I still like the Braves for the division, but the Mets have a ton if talent. Marlins made some nice additions too. Phillies it’s your move.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      Lyman,

      And who is their new manager?

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  68. kreckert

    3 years ago

    Sigh.

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  69. Yankee Clipper

    3 years ago

    4 years? At 42M AAV? Yikes… I mean, I know it’s Scherzer, but sheesh.

    Well, good on the Mets, I never thought they’d go that far, and I didn’t believe he’d go east. He did stay NL though….. ‘cause he’s scared of the AL!

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      Cashman must still be “monitoring” the market. Hal was constipated until he saw some of these contracts, then coincidentally, he had no problem %#^%ing himself.

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  70. kenphelps44

    3 years ago

    Looking ahead, the Mets will free up some money when Bobby Bonilla’s contract comes off the books….in 2035.

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    • Lemonade24

      3 years ago

      If the Coupons still owned the Mets, we would care.
      I think we have a rich owner now.

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  71. leftcoaster

    3 years ago

    $42 million over 3 or 4 years. Idiotic.

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  72. corrosive23

    3 years ago

    Well maybe he wants Octobers off each season.

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  73. dave frost nhlpa

    3 years ago

    Surprised the Yanks didn’t do 2/$90

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  74. Pokeli

    3 years ago

    Thought he’d be going for more rings this late in the career but it’s hard to turn down $40 million a year

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  75. JackStrawb

    3 years ago

    This has a lot more to do with legitimacy than with winning games.

    The cost to Cohen of leaving the lolmets tag on after his first, abysmal year, has to be enormous. This is a great time to make a fresh start, and if he overpays Scherzer by $30-50m, he’ll make a lot of it back in ticket sales, jersey sales, etc etc.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      Well, if you believe that, mission accomplished. At worst, they have gone from Wilpons to Arte Moreno. At best, Wilpons to Steinbrenner with more bucks to spend.

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      • Lemonade24

        3 years ago

        They went from Coupons to Cohen period. That is all anyone should be talking about. Cohen will build his dynasty, just like LAD, LAA, Texas, Padres , Rays and some others.

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  76. Chemo850

    3 years ago

    YES BABY. Please lordy lord let the Mets give him 4/160. I’ll send Uncle Cohen fruit baskets every opening day for the next four years on behalf on the rest of the national league east hahahaha. Insane if they think that dude is gonna still be that dominant that late in his career for another 4 years.

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    • Poster formerly known as . . .

      3 years ago

      It’s 3 years, reportedly, and he’s 37. Nolan Ryan, a power pitcher like Scherzer, had a 2.91 ERA in 27 starts when he was 44 years old.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      He is younger than Charlie Morton and Morton was great this past season. If Max has two seasons in the top 5 Cy Young vote-getters and then two seasons where he is 7-9 and injured for 40 games, Cohen would take that.

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  77. Poster formerly known as . . .

    3 years ago

    Steve Cohen is mooning Hal Steinbrenner.

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  78. UnbiasedFan13

    3 years ago

    Do the Mets even have a manager signed?? It’d be hard for me as a player to sign somewhere not knowing who that coach was going to be. Especially with Mets track record and reputation of an underwhelming FO.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      No, but I think managers are sometimes overrated. Seriously whar does Scherzer need a manager for? He just deals until he’s taken out.

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  79. Bjoe

    3 years ago

    I guess Scherzer doesn’t care about winning.

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    • TommyMetlover

      3 years ago

      Wtf does that mean ?

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      • krussMETS

        3 years ago

        It means he’s salty

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  80. Cohens_Wallet

    3 years ago

    I actually like all the hate, makes the moment that much sweeter.

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  81. Lemonade24

    3 years ago

    Are all these haters accountants for the Mets?
    Who cares what Cohen pays. You damned if you do and damned if you don’t!
    Don’t worry be happy! Do do doo dooo dooo do doo.
    Here’s a lil song i wrote, you might want to take it note for note, but don’t worry…. Be Happy!

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      There’s definitely some hate, but there are plenty of posters who just evaluate moves as they see them. It’s part of the fun of this site. I think it’s a terribly foolish deal, but if Scherzer stays healthy and dominant than it could all work out. It’ll be exciting to see.

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      • kodiak920

        3 years ago

        If DeGrom is healthy, it could be the most lethal 1-2 punch since Schilling and Johnson.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          And they won a championship. That being said others didn’t. Halladay/Lee for example.

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  82. msqboxer

    3 years ago

    I’m a CWS fan and to all the haters, let’s just admit we’re jealous and move on. The Mets have defined their window of opportunity is the next 3 years and signed players to meet that goal. The bottom line is they are going for it.

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  83. josebatista89

    3 years ago

    Like a lot of y’all have been saying i think Max is using the Mets here. This has Trevor Bauer written all over it again. If your Max think about it. This is it. Wherever you go you will be retiring there. I’m pretty sure if the Dodgers came back and offered him a two-year deal with an option for a third. He would go back to the Dodger’s in a heartbeat. If the Mets get him which i don’t think they will. This is like when the Yankees traded for Randy Johnson back in 2005. An older pitcher who couldn’t handle NY. Who was at his final stage. If i’m the Mets im talking to the Red’s about trying to get Luis Casillto baby Pedro Martinez and i’m going young. You don’t know how much longer De Grom has and if and when your strike out on Max

    Also, i if you’re in Max’s shoes you already made a ton of money. Don’t you want to go out a winner. I mean yes, the Mets made moves but they aren’t better than the Braves nor the Dodger’s. I also think The Cards are a dark horse team in this.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Max can easily handle NY. I can’t vouch for his durability at his age, but I can guarantee NY pressures (which are overblown by NYers) will not phase him one bit.

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    • paindonthurt

      3 years ago

      Cardinals will not approach that AAV.

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  84. josebatista89

    3 years ago

    Met’s fans todays’ the day where you will get your hearts broken again. Just like when y’all strike out on Billy Beane, Theo Epstein, David Stearns.

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  85. Michigan Dodger guy

    3 years ago

    No doubt Max makes every team better, both on the field and in the clubhouse. I read where he’s a great teammate. All that being said that’s a lot of money for a guy in his last years of his career. On average, even though Max is above average, most pitchers falter after so many birthdays. The smart money, for now and the future would be signing Robbie Ray and maybe even Marcus Stroman for almost the same total dollars. Nobody works harder or studies talent like Andrew Friedman. He has preached to build for now and in the future. To stay competitive with wise baseball moves. I don’t blame AF for the Trevor Bauer issue. I’m not sure what Trevor did, outside of him and the accuser, no one really knows. That being said TB was having a pretty good year. The Dodgers wouldn’t have gave up some future talent for Max and Trea if Bauer wasn’t suspended. Then would Max be getting this much ??? Good for him anyways… go Dodgers !!!

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  86. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    9 hours have passed and nothing has changed so either

    .a ton of back and fourth negotiations with the contract are happening and both sides can’t agree on the terms yet (like opt out clause and whatnot)

    .another team is attempting to snipe max away at the last minute. Dodgers or mystery team ?

    .mets are just being used

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  87. jvent

    3 years ago

    Besides getting the big fish at $40-$42 mil per year, what’s next , they should get another SP, now I guess they’ll go dumpster diving like (Boyd). With 40-42 mil they could’ve had (Gausman $22, and Gray $14 AND another player ).

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      Skipping out on gausman is not a bad thing. I will eat my hat if I’m wrong

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    • Lemonade24

      3 years ago

      If they could have had him he would be here. He or they probably didn’t or don’t want to play in NY.

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  88. prov356

    3 years ago

    You can’t buy a championship in baseball. There’s more to it than just a high payroll. Ask the Dodgers and Yankees. They are both traditionally high spending teams and most recent years in the top 5. The Dodgers have won once since 1988 and the Yankees once in 2009 since their 3-peat in 98, 99, 2000. In contrast, the As are in the playoffs almost every year with one of the lowest payrolls.

    So the Mets will out-spend everyone this year with this signing, but it doesn’t seem they have the other intangibles that are necessary to win. I don’t follow the Mets so I could be wrong.

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    • Bud Selig Fan

      3 years ago

      You absolutely can buy a championship. Without the elite organizational structures in place you just have to spend $400MM this year to do it (Mets). Buy Scherzer-Ray-Stroman-Seager-Correa, then trade McNeil, Baty, Mauricio and Peterson to the Reds for Luis Castillo. Then spend another 15 million on a bullpen arm and bench upgrade. That should about do it.

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  89. holecamels35

    3 years ago

    Mets out here trying to set the record for most expensive team to have a losing season.

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  90. detroitdave84

    3 years ago

    40 AAV in New York isn’t as good as 40 AAV elsewhere. Taxes will eat that up big time!

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    • Stan Not the Man

      3 years ago

      Like California ain’t any better in that regard meat.

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  91. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    I never get why people always bring up the tax argument. It has never nor will it ever effect free agency

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  92. MikeyHammer

    3 years ago

    ‘Mets dumpster diving for players, so Mets, haha’
    ‘Mets trying to buy the pennant, so Mets, haha’
    We get it, ‘oRaNgE tEaM bAd !’

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  93. nailz#4life

    3 years ago

    It seems there is more to the story about why he could not pitch for the LAD during the final game. The back injury….was that just an excuse not to have to pitch in a big game. Does he have cold feet when it counts ? Hummmmm

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    • paindonthurt

      3 years ago

      Really? This dude is one of baseballs best gamers. Sometimes pitchers get hurt.

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  94. Lemonade24

    3 years ago

    Whats going on?
    Money doesn’t buy championships. We know that.
    This is more than that. Nothing is guaranteed, but The NY Mets are just simply doing what the others top teams are doing. Te make it to the playoffs every year.
    Cohen said this team will be relevant again and that is what he is doing. Get a grip and stop hating. If it was your team involved in this deal, you would be praising your GM.

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  95. GETBUCKETS

    3 years ago

    I thought Scherzer was wanting to stay west coast? I guess that money is hard to pass.
    Unless Scherzer is using to leverage other negotiations???

    Either way Mets are honestly overpaying.
    He’s a superb pitcher but is getting older. How many good years you think he has left?

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    • GETBUCKETS

      3 years ago

      Smells similar to when Yankees went for Randy Johnson…

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      • Joseph Gonzalez

        3 years ago

        Don’t remind me of that mega disappointment but his age was always a concern so we shouldn’t be completely surprised as to how that deal turned out

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  96. bighiggy

    3 years ago

    42 AAV(a record) for a 41 or 42 yr old pitcher in the 4th yr of a deal would be insane. He may still be awesome then or not. Even at awesome he will be barely worth the 42 mil, very little excess value even if hes lights out. You can get 2 very good pitchers for 42 mil. Degrom and scherzer cant win a world series by themselves.

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    • GETBUCKETS

      3 years ago

      Exactly go for 2 pitchers instead of just one

      They could resign stroman and rodon for similar cost right?

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      • bighiggy

        3 years ago

        You could get stroman and rodon and part of something else. Most teams that win world series have a couple guys who have excess value and a bunch playing for what they make. At 43.3 mil he would have no excess value unless he gas one of the greatest pitching seasons ever. The Mets are setting themselves up for failure. Guy would have to be like a 5.5 WaR pitcher every year just to be worth it. Doesn’t seem likely

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  97. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    I guess the waiting over the last 11 hours was just to get some rest. There doesn’t seem to be another suitor so they probably get this done within the next few hours. Wonder what the AAV will be ?

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      It’ll be a 4/A lot deal.

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  98. 30 Parks

    3 years ago

    Take less money & play for a far well-run franchise, Max.

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  99. Perksy

    3 years ago

    Amazing that Scherzer’s aav will almost be equal to 2 total years of Verlander.

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    • thickiedon

      3 years ago

      Really it’s not surprising

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  100. LordD99

    3 years ago

    Come on, Dodgers. Make this interesting. I want a nuclear meltdown from Cohen. I don’t care if it’s the Mets, Dodgers or a surprise team. I want theatrics!

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  101. DodgerOK

    3 years ago

    The Mets are unwise to pay an old pitcher that much and Max is unwise to think he will enjoy NY and the pressure that comes with losing there.

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  102. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    Wow max is going to get over 43 mill AAV. That’s crazy !!

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  103. BashBroJoe

    3 years ago

    Off-season championships. Every fans dream.

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    • ❤️ MuteButton

      3 years ago

      I would be very concerned if I were a Mets fan. These types of ill-advised spending sprees seldom if ever result in championships.

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  104. Yankee-4-Lifer 75

    3 years ago

    Get this deal done Mets! Don’t play games with Mad Max. This is definitely the type of pitcher you want. Don’t worry about the $ or years. If you win a World Championship in the next 4 years this will definitely be $ worth spent. I obviously am a Yankees fan that wanted Scherzer.

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  105. ❤️ MuteButton

    3 years ago

    Lindor + Sherzer = $77mil/yr. ……..good luck with that

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  106. casorgreener

    3 years ago

    This is going to be a terrible deal…

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  107. ShootyBabbit

    3 years ago

    I would think that Scherzer has made enough money to play for who he wants-maybw he thinks he’ll be a savior for the Mets?

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  108. Metsin777

    3 years ago

    They should save all that money for when Soto becomes a FA instead of spending it on Scherzer

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  109. dan_plays_drums

    3 years ago

    Y’all that’s so much money for an almost 38-yr old pitcher. Absolutely no way this doesn’t blow up in the Mets faces.

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  110. bravesfan

    3 years ago

    My first reaction is: “wow, Mets are going for it! They are gonna be the team to beat in the east…”

    All the experts will say the same thing…

    Then I’ll remember that I said this and the experts have been saying the same thing for years now … and look what has happened. Mets have an epic fall. Until the Mets stop being the Mets, I need to assume they could put together the worlds best team on paper, and still find a way to burn that empire to the ground lol

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  111. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    Here is the scary part. AAV’s are approaching 50 million

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  112. TommyLasutton

    3 years ago

    “METS REALLY GOING FOR IT!” But when the Dodgers spend like this, you cry about “buying championships” and a salary cap. Damn, fools!

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    • Joseph Gonzalez

      3 years ago

      Agreed It’s extremely hypocritical and as a Yankee fan I’ve heard that complaint from other fans so many times lol

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  113. msqboxer

    3 years ago

    Matz signs with the Cardinals and Cohen goes all strip club dollar bills flinging on free agency…good for him and the organization.

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  114. tryingtobearealisticfan

    3 years ago

    Big money for a great pitcher.
    Not sure it will pay out, but at least they are trying to win.
    Here in Cincinnati, we have an owner who promised championships only to deliver mediocrity, at best. A rebuild reached .500, now time to start again.
    Maybe we trade Castillo with the GM/ownership attached as a way to move a bad contract.

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  115. Lyman Bostock

    3 years ago

    I don’t expect Scherzer to age like a normal human being. If he was, he’d already have. 37 should already be way past his prime. Legends like him can keep this up until they’re 40 and a little beyond. Even when/if his fastball slows down he still has great control and a nasty slider and change. Also a very high pitching IQ.

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    • baseballpun

      3 years ago

      I think you may be right, but I also think it’s possible that there’s no real decline, and he just falls off a cliff one day (more so in terms of health than performance).

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  116. caprabuzz

    3 years ago

    The deciding factor as to whether or not he is worth the the money is simple. Does he lead them to a World Series championship? If yes, money well well spent, the extra revenue and all that goes with the trophy can’t be questioned. If not, it’s just more fodder for the “typical Mets” narrative.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      @caprabuzz You can never guarantee a championship. What the Mets need is a lengthy playoff run. Does Scherzer even get them the division? Maybe. But the Braves are really good. Phillies aren’t too far away. Marlins making moves. It’s tough. Nice to see the Mets go for it though.

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  117. kodiak920

    3 years ago

    Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.

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  118. OrangeKhrush

    3 years ago

    high risk signing old players but at least the Mets are giving it a go

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  119. azmacky2

    3 years ago

    That is completely insane for a 38yr old pitcher (2022). Mets still won’t win anything.

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  120. RamMac14

    3 years ago

    Max is a hall of famer but 43 mil a year for a 37 year old pitcher coming off a season where his arm was dead at the end is going to bite the Mets IMO. Could be wrong but I think they are crazy to make this deal.

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  121. Tacoshells

    3 years ago

    Why wouldn’t he just sign this deal ? 3 years 143 mil? There shouldnt be any more discussion. I think dude is just trying to use as leverage for a contract with a different team.

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  122. DodgerOK

    3 years ago

    He is just using the Mets as leverage to drive up the price.

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  123. Herc33

    3 years ago

    The specifics of the years/money/AAV being out here seems tactical by the Mets.

    Feels like they’re boxing him in because if LAD won’t go three years or beat that AAV then he’s going to look weird turning down MYM.

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  124. 8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH

    3 years ago

    3/$129M? Why isn’t this a done deal yet?!

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    • sampsonite168

      3 years ago

      Scott Boras

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  125. Central Valley

    3 years ago

    Reminds me of Bryce Harper/ Scott Boras using the Giants to increase the $/years from the Phillies.

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  126. Joseph Gonzalez

    3 years ago

    This is taking so long to finish. It’s like sherzers camp is dragging it as long as they can to get the Dodgers to bend over

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  127. andymeyer

    3 years ago

    Desperate measures for a desperate franchise

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  128. baseballpun

    3 years ago

    Cohen’s tweets when he signs with LAD for 3 yr/$130m are going to be epic.

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  129. JoeBrady

    3 years ago

    Why does it feel like Scherzer is using the NYMs to run up a better salary offer from LAD? My guess is $126M/3 from LAD gets it done. Unless the NYMs blow him away, and they could, he won’t leave the West Coast, and a good chance for another ring, for the East Coast, and a good chance for a playoff spot.

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  130. DJ-VJ

    3 years ago

    Degrom, Nimmo, McNeil, Smith, Peterson, Familia, Magill, Alonso, Ali Sanchez…what’s your point? And they only recently lost Wheeler, Matz, Rosario, Giminez, etc. They also have some good propects coming up and mentioned building up their farm system. You can do both you know.

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