9:35 am: The Mets are “not overly optimistic” about signing Scherzer, despite having had conversation with agent Scott Boras, per Andy Martino of SNY (via Twitter). Gausman is their current focus. Martino adds that Gausman could make his signing decision as early as today.
8:49 am: The Mets began their offseason in earnest yesterday, adding a trio of soon-to-be 33-year-old bats to the lineup. Starling Marte, Eduardo Escobar, and Mark Canha bring certainty to the beginning of new GM Billy Eppler’s tenure, as well as defensive flexibility and right-handed thump. The additions could be all they need to solidify their lineup (along with Nick Plummer as a potential reserve outfielder), but they don’t address what is arguably the Mets’ biggest need: pitching.
With Noah Syndergaard in Los Angeles and the Steven Matz debacle in the rear-view, pitching remains a priority, writes The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal. Free agent Marcus Stroman fits the bill, but the worm-killing righty has been vocal of late, both about his interest in returning to New York, and about the organization’s apparent focus on other arms, per Stroman himself (via Twitter).
Former Rockies’ right-hander Jon Gray may be one of those other potential targets, per Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter). It’s unclear if Sherman is speculating on fit or reporting team interest, but Gray is a popular name regardless, given his perceived upside as he leaves Colorado. Beyond Gray, Max Scherzer and Kevin Gausman are two of the top arms on the market that the Mets may be eyeing. Either one would be an upgrade for the top of the Mets rotation, which currently has talent, but plenty of injury uncertainty in Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, and Taijuan Walker.
My money is on @STRO + Scherzer.
I cannot fathom Scherzer playing for NY. But money talks.
Well, Scherzer’s the guy worth taking a shot for. 3 years, $120 million. My guess a contract like that and he’d play in New York.
They’re going to pay a similar amount to Gausman and get more years, which is their justification for going that high, while everyone else will see the obvious overpay. I’ll welcome Gausman back into the NL East with open arms.
Seems like something the dodgers would pay
Stroman, nice knowing ya. A tip: stay off Twitter, bro.
Good season in 2021. Good. Season.
Not great.
Amazing what you can accomplish, like all ball players seem to do, in a contract drive.
I think you might enjoy Arizona. Or Cleveland. Or Pittsburgh.
Agreed. They’d have to blow him away with cash to the point it might not even be worth doing.
I figured Gas Man would be the most likely to sign of all the names mentioned. I’m interested to see how he does when he isn’t wearing a Giants uniform. He wasn’t very good for Cincinnati or Atlanta or Baltimore. I wonder how big his contract will be. It wasn’t too long ago the Reds thought he wasn’t worth $10M and the Braves didn’t even think he was worth a roster spot. San Francisco unlocked something in him.
Might as well give me your $ to me as neither of those are happening. These are the Mets we are talking about not the Yankees. Also if you were paying attention Stroman feels disrespected by the Mets and can get even more $ from say other teams who have a better chance of succeeding unlike the Mets. Never forget Molina HR in 2006!!!
Asdfgh, so you’re a upset troll. Your user name shows that too troll
You are a sad loser and not a troll. Live in NYC and have to deal with pompous ahole fans. Mets fans are some of the biggest trolls just look at your owner and his behavior. I live in reality where the Mets suck!
Take your fight outside, boys. If you can’t put together a coherent baseball argument for or against, than you are just an angry bird.
Mets told Stroman they are not bringing him back
Where’d you hear that?
as much as I hate the Dodgers, my money is on Scherzer returning to Chavez latrine
Stroman said on Twitter the Mets FO is not interested in resigning him
Yes. And Thor said he wants to be a Met. Twitter is a useless web of lies.
Oh
He also then tweeted after that he was his own “source.”
I’m sure they did tell him that based on his last contract offer. That’s how negotiations work.
Stroman: 5 years – $200M!
Mets: We’re not interested.
Stroman: (Starts tweeting a bunch of garbage)
There’s some buyer beware risk about bringing a big and abrasive personality like him into an already competitive locker room.
Similar to Bauer last year… but obviously that’s spiralled into something completely different now with the allegations s he’s facing this season.
Abrasive personality? Excuse me why do you find Stroman to be so repelling. Right now he’s having fun with fans all over the country. He’s a player that also stands for his morals and won’t take any racist comments. Explain yourself fool!
Congrats asd for bringing racism to the comment section like usual. Well done.
It will be interesting to see how much more the Mets spend. They really need pitching. I love the Marte signing, but don’t believe Canha or Escobar will do a lot for them. They still have a long way to go to overtake the Braves for the division.
Canha and Escobar are excellent role players for this team.
Canha, Escobar and Marte are all solid acquisitions. Eppler has put together a formidable lineup at a reasonable cost in just a couple of days
But paying Canha $13.25M a year is a huge overpay. Steve Cohen is getting reckless with his money, and it’s going to taint the market.
@Pete’sView—
Cohen doesn’t care about the “market”, he’s still fuming over how he perceives he’s been treated by baseball and will now use his wealth to exact revenge.
I guess we’ll see . . .
@Pete – do your homework. I believe you’re mistaken re: Canha.
I don’t think Canha is a bad player or that the Mets aren’t smart in picking him up. It’s just the price tag seems inflated even with his excellent OBP . Maybe if he duplicates his 2019 season I’ll change my mind.
Seems that the money isn’t an issue. He’s going to spend to try to stay competitive without trading from a top heavy prospect pool while trying to rebuild the FO and the farm. Try to emulate what the Dodgers did as best you can. The OF is better defensively now with Canha-Marte-Nimmo from left to right, Canha gets on base, Nimmo is an OBP machine.
Cahna was a good signing. I look at the Yankees and our OF deployed Gardner daily. Our depth was IF Tyler Wade because of Hicks’ injuries. Cahna can truly rotate all three positions, rest Marte a bit, and makes their depth floor much higher. I see it as a very complementary signing to Marte and their existing OF, which only had Nimmo as a semi-viable CF option. These signings completely change that landscape.
Escobar really replaces Villar, and if he continues hitting like he did last year , that’s an overall improvement as well.
Canha and Marte both are good in terms of OBP. That team struggled a bit with swing and miss so it seems they’re addressing that.
And you can anticipate trades coming involving one or more of McNeil, Dom Smith, JD Davis… I’m hoping if they do they’ll add some depth to the farm but something tells me they’d bring back bad MLB contracts w upside
Yea, IF they trade those guys the smart return would be prospects
Prospects or addressing the bullpen would probably be best for trades involving McNeil, Davis or Smith and I’m for either to be honest.
@Cosmo2 I’m not sure if I want to unload the prospects it would take but would you go for a Chapman/Montas (or Manaea) trade? Doubtful we could pull it off and keep Baty and Alvarez…something involving Mauricio, Vientos, maybe Squirrel or Davis/Smith, taking on Piscotty
Nah I wouldn’t do those trades. I’m fine with McNeil at third base.
Those guys are too good to trade for a bullpen piece
The Braves got lucky
No the didn’t, they got hot, with a team built to get hot.
So they’ve been getting lucky for 4 years straight?
Yeah losing Acuna in the middle of the season was a huge stroke of luck for the Braves.
Baez + Scherzer + StroDog
Let’s get it done
So, 330 million dollar payroll? No thanks. Let’s make some more astute moves.
I don’t think that is feasible nor responsible. Trading for Means or maybe Manning from Detroit ( because Detroit likes Mize and Skubal better) might be possible. Peterson and Magill need to continue to develop. But with all that and a trade for a pitxher they still need a starter.
Curious to see what Baez is looking for since they pivoted away from him, or so it appears at this time.
@Yankee Clipper- I’d stay clear of Baez. Let him sign with the Tigers or someone else. I have no problem with that. Baez will want close to $30 million annually for 10 years. He isn’t worth all that.
Heck no! Honestly, brother, I don’t want any of the SS for close to that. If Baez is much more than $150/6 it’s not worth it at all, imho. I think Story would be excellent in NY also, but only if he’s under $200/6. Any more than that and it’s too much.
I saw an interesting trade proposal article on YGY for Nicky Lopez of KC for pitching from NY. That would interest me as Lopez’s OOA led the league and he would be a great lead-off hitter (also LHB).
Hopefully we’ll see more splurges this weekend. If we grab 2 of the 4 (Gausman, Scherzer, Stroman, Gray), we should be okay. Then we need a few RPs.
You’re talking about a payroll of like 290 which is unprecedented for most teams besides dodgers
Mets have the richest owner in baseball. Why not?
2nd richest? Jays ownership Rogers is the richest by far.
That’s simply not true. Cohen is richest and it’s not even close
Rogers Net With $23B
Mets Owner Net Worth $16B
Dodgers(Guguinheim)$320B
You’re welcome
stro n gausman for same $ as scherzer
The word “debacle” should be used in every story about the Mets. The 3 players they signed yesterday have a combined age of 99 but will likely only get them to around .500 if they’re lucky.
You have a dumpster fire like opinion
And you are a skirt-wearing cheerleader! He’s absolutely right! Outside of Marte, you’ve signed role players – not everyday contributors. Stroman is set on signing with another team to kick the Mets while they’re down ! Believe it!
@floridacoach 2 … please stay in Florida. That’s all. Also, you’re a clown.
Its true.Rremember last year, when the Mets were declared WS Champions (by Mets fans) before the season even started? That Lindor extension alone was a bigger deal than all three of these guys combined.
How did the Mets season end?
Chickens n’ eggs n’ hatching…then again, I supposed this butchered proverb works both ways.
Every fan base has over enthusiastic cheerleaders. If the best you can do is base your arguments off the most extreme outlier opinions, well….
@ Cosmo2 ;
Here’s what you’ve got with the Mets……
o Cohen fired his batting coach early in the season and sent out a tweet that OPS was what mattered.
o Conforto, Dom Smith, and McNeil all had bad years. Is it possible they were trying to hit HR’s in a pitchers park when they’re all primarily line drive hitters? Johnathon Villar had a very good year, but his OPS was .729.
So, OPS-wise……
Villar .738 .vs Escobar .786
Conforto .729 .vs. Marte .841
Smith .667 / McNeil .674
vs. Canha .746
Could it be this simple?
JD Davis OPS was .820. Lets see if they keep him around even though his defense is awful.
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Cohen in moving the team in the direction he wants. Look for position player drafting and prospect signings to be heavily OPS driven.
Additionally, Citi Field is a big yard. Might Cohen to shorten the dimensions in the future? The Tigers did it with their park and Jeter did it with the Marlins. 25-30 feet in center; 20-25 feel down the lines is a nice starting point.
You could also argue conforto smith and McNeil will have bounceback years closer to their norms of the previous 2-3 years, but the three they got will help… interesting that Mets were in first basically all year until degrom got hurt even with three of their main hitters having down years… and then when they lose the best sp in baseball they fall out of first in the ensuing months… but the season is painted like they were terrible all year or collapsed for no reason
These three year deals are smarter than big albatross contracts. If someone doesn’t work out you can simply move on. Marte got the 4th year and thats it.
Two of three are only signed for two years. Plus some of the top Mets propects play 3rd, so Escobar can be a placeholder.
Nimmo
Marte
Lindor
Alonso
McNeil/Baez*
Canha
Escobar
McCann
Not bad at all
I think Escobar is a sign Baez will not be resigned. I could be wrong, but I don’t see it now.
Much better than last year, but I think Baez is going elsewhere.
Not bad on paper, but that’s a lot of missed war when those thirty-somethings inevitably break down.
@ham77 That’s why 2 of the 3 are very short deals. It gives the Mets a competitive window now without sacrificing the future. They’re blowing over the luxury tax, and may not even make the playoffs, but they’ll still have a chance to regroup in 2-3 years. I like these moves for the Mets.
They have no farm system so there is no future
@ VonPurpleHayes;
Middleton will not sit around and be outbid.
Ball is in Dombrowski’s court.
Plenty of time, but so far all quiet.
Not true they have no farm.. it’s not deep, but they have four top 100 prospects per baseball America… and that doesn’t count Allan or Ginn who are definite mid-front rotation guys per scouts… plus with 6 picks in first three rounds this year plus impending trades, they should acquire immediate farm depth
Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, Allen, Ginn and Vientiane are all too 150 prospects in baseball and they have pick 11 and 14 plus a second rounder and likely 2 comps after the 2nd. Much more than at least half the teams in the MLB can say. But stick to a failed narrative. Depth will come with this very draft.
Don’t forget the DH Cano
And smith and JD Davis off bench makes their bench and flexibility much stronger than other teams in the division, which does help… they still need a big signing like Bryant IMO, but doubt it happens… and let’s see which SPs they get
Not bad at all but also not scaring anyone at all.
Baez us gone. That ship sailed.
Finally Mets land is moving forward . I love all three signings, and Plummer has a lot of potential. How about Means from Baltimore, Scherzer is not going to happen. I like for the bullpen David Robertson for a year. Also Dylan Bundy is available.
i don’t believe scherzer will want to play in NY. you can get gray and ray though. i’d be fine with that.
I don’t see them signing Ray because they’d have to forfeit the #14 pick.
Gray and Stro
Gray already showed he can’t pitch in NY. That would be a bad idea.
TidyBowlDude:
Wrong shade of Gray. He means Jon not Sonny.
They need multiple arms.
You shouldn’t be counting on full seasons from Carrasco and Walker.
So, I’m assuming the conversation went like this:
Eppler: Sir, I’m afraid your remarks on social media about the Matz negotiations were frowned upon.
Cohen: MAKE. THEM. PAY.
Eppler: Sir, you need to gain control of yourself-
Cohen: I said… make. them. PAY!
Eppler: Uh-
Cohen: (low voice) Do it.
I know a lot of people are dissing Cohen for saying what he said, and I know Cohen is no choir boy, but maybe Matz’ agent was “unprofessional” and switched the deal at the last minute. We’ll never know the truth, but if that was the case, I’d be pissed too.
I’m sure the agent did exactly what Matz wanted him to do. That’s his job. Cohen will never call out a player but the real reason he’s upset is because Matz wanted to go to St. Louis and saw no reason to allow the Mets to match an offer he would have rather signed with the Cardinals. They probably just kept the Mets on the line to drive the Cardinals price up. Boras does that all the time. Sometimes he actually lies and pretends teams are on the line when they aren’t.
What about Jason Giambi?
As manager?
yeah one would think.
They need to do whatever it takes to get Gausman and bring back Stroman or trade for Means. Scherzer is not happening.
Correct me I am wrong, the Mets do not have manager as of right now. In the meantime, this may be crazy but having a manager is very important at the MLB level. Who know the Mets are going to bring in to manage them.
Also, people are aware the Mets’ fans on here are mentioning the Mets need starting pitchers but are forgetting to bring up DeGrom’s health. Call me crazy but DeGrom has some mileage on that elbow and is coming off of a season where he had issues with it.
He doesn’t have miles. He started pitching late. He was originally a short stop. He has less miles than most pitchers in MLB
He was drafted as a pitcher in the 9th round in 2010 and has not played anywhere else since being drafted. 11 years as a pitcher!
I’m pretty sure the Mets know who’s going to manage the team. They’re way to quiet about it. Like they got pocket aces or something.
One Friday night during the MLBPA labor negotiations, when the Rangers or Knicks are in a tailspin, when a Jet has just gotten a DUI… a memo will go out naming Carlos Beltran manager.
deGrom had the same injury Nolan Ryan had for years. If he manages it and doesn’t hit, he should be ok. The UCL scabs over.
@ beeTeeVee:
“… the Mets do not have manager as of right now. In the meantime, this may be crazy but having a manager is **NOT** very important at the MLB level.”
Fixed that for ya.
Players are signing, WITHOUT knowing who the manager will be. It’s irrelevant. The GM and Owner are telling these players what the vision of the team will be.
And the money helps to get the ink to dry on the contract.
I do have concern about degrom’s health and I’m sure the org does too, but he’s cleared all medical requirements so they have to move forward as if he’ll be healthy (with caution)
Hey Mets fans! After the trio of positional signings, there are two must sign guys. Marcus Stroman and/or Robbie Ray. If the Mets can’t get at least 1 of the 2, fans should get used to hearing names like Alex Cobb, Danny Duffy, Michael Pineda or Yusei Kekuchi.
Again, it’s not that the Mets can’t afford it. The reality is they can afford a 500M payroll and still make money. So “balancing the books” is of little consequence.
Cohen sees a chance to own the Big Pumpkin, and he’s plowing ahead. As long as the Spanks make the management decision to try to sell Luxury Tax considerations (bizarre on its face) as an excuse to keep a smaller payroll, Cohen’s going to plunge, as well he should. The profit possibilities in NY are HUGE! HUGE! HUGE!. Meanwhile, the Yanks are like the restaurant owner who tries to increase his profits by shutting the lights off early.
Bob Tillman! “ Meanwhile, the Yanks are like the restaurant owner who tries to increase his profits by shutting the lights off early.”
As much disdain as I had in reading this…. ugh, it’s so true.
You don’t do that with insane spending. You do that by building a strong organization with a strong minor league system, good coaching, scouting, and development.
Yea. That’s the ideal way, but it’s not always easy. Sometimes the farm system sucks. And when you’re in a big market, you need to spend to put a decent product out there. Mets fans are already quickly forgetting the disappointment of 2021 and are lining up to buy tickets, just to have their hearts broken yet again.
And the reason why a high revenue team like the Mets (with little debt, per reports) can’t do all those things at the same time is ???????
Hahaha. Can’t you just feel the fear of other teams seeing the Mets finally flexing some muscle. Believe it there is a lot more to come.
Lol. These are the same comments we saw last year. While I like these moves for the Mets, you figure by now their fans would know better than to start counting their chickens.
I’m not a Braves, Phillies or Nats fan but a rotation consisting of injury prone (two years in a row) and aging Jacob deGrom, and the horrible starters in Carlos Carrasco, and Taijuan Walker – no, I would not be scared. The Mets can keep on signing 32/33 year old guys just because, instead of actually filling holes and piecing together a TEAM, but I sure wouldn’t be scared.
You do realize that Carrasco has consistently been one of the better pitchers in the league don’t you?
Umm, no. I realize he’s been one of the worst pitchers in the league. Keep drinking your KoolAid.
Not in a full season since 2018. He was below-average in 2019 and 2021 (via ERA+) partially due to lingering injuries, while 2020 was a nice rebound, albeit in 68 IP. If every season was a 60-game condensed season, I’d bet you’d be right.
It seems to make sense if a team signs Cory Seager, there is a good chance they’ll probably be signing Kyle Seager also. It’s definitely looking like that right now. My guess it will be the Dodgers or the Yankees. $30 million a year for the next 7 years seem worth it. I wouldn’t give any of these free agents 10 years or more, even though Correa will likely get that kind of contract.
I don’t see how any other team could truly afford that commitment, and honestly, if any team does it, my money is on the Yankees.
That said, I truly hope Seager signs before Dec 1, and is given 7 or 8 years for under $260.
It’s not about spending a lot of money but not doing anything really tells me Cashman needs to take the finger out of his ass. Not a fan, time to go!
Outside of faculty, staff, alumni, and current students, no one likes Ohio State. M go Blue!
Incorrect.
I think ultimately what they’re doing is buying up deadline trade chips in free agency
They’re hoping maybe it works out, but if it doesn’t then they can ship out Canha and Escobar
That could very well be true. Even so, not a bad strategy.
Mcneil can’t be on this team in April. Lindor is here for a decade and mcneil won’t mess with him. He should be dealt along with Davis and or smith with a top type pitcher prospect in hopes of getting Chapman. Curious what the a’s are asking for for Chapman. Could even through in vientos (spelling) too since Baty would be the guy that replaces Chapman in 2024.
Plenty of room for McNeil, no reason to trade him
Kind of agree with findingnimmo. The Mets ought to consider flipping guys like McNeil, Dom and Davis for high A or AA pitchers. Guys who might be a year or two away.
@Cosmo – that rat / raccoon / choking in the tunnel story seems to possibly seal McNeil’s fate in NY. And that’s actually too bad.
Like it or not, this is Lindor’s team, for ten more years.
I dunno. That story seems like it’s old news. They’re over it but who knows?
Asdfgh, so you’re a upset troll. Your user name shows that too troll
The Mets have a whole lot of garbage, insanely high payroll, and zero direction for the future. The Braves just won a WS with a 145m payroll. The Dodgers had something around 270m this year, and didn’t really come close. The Mets seem to have constant chaos within the organization. They are trying to make up for it with insane spending. What could go wrong?
Well, what could go right is that they wise up from this (after the plan falls apart) and see your point. That’s what I’m hoping for.
Money man Cohen is not resting lol. Either he’ll turn them into winners or drive the Mets straight into the ground. When you allow the angry billionaire to get involved in the free agent market … lol. He may buyout all the free agents this offseason and tell the rest of the league after “laugh now”.. All thanks to one, Steven Matz. Lol.
In all seriousness though, he signs a couple of pitchers and the Mets should be a good team.
Mets are buying their way into second place.
Well, two days ago the Mets did not have Mark Canha, Starling Marte, and Eduardo Escobar
Now they have Mark Canha, Starling Marte, and Eduardo Escobar
CF and 3B are the hardest positions to fill
Just hearing about the Mets , nothing but a garbage team,
I heard the same thing about you, clown sauce
Gausman has a high chance of turning back into a pumpkin. If I’m the meta I’d stay away
Oakland A’s are now on the clock . You want Montas , Manaea , or Bassitt
The thing about adding salary is salary is also going to come off as other players leave
So it’s not a big deal these signings. Plus you’re getting CF
The Mets just collected two top CF’s. There could not be CF options for years in free agency. Mets just picked up two of them
Yea, the CF thing is big. Huge hole in the CF market these days.
Canha has played 31 games in CF in the last 2 years (192 games) or 16% — he’s no CF. Not including both will be 33 y/o at the start of the season. Marte can stick in CF in an OF where Nimmo is the alternative, but he most likely will slide over in the next 1-2 years.
Canha, at that price, was a huge mistake.
Not at all, Pete. Not at all.
What all the posters here in the offseason never take into account…..
Don’t think any team has a starting 8 that plays 90% of their games at the same position.
Marte is no longer a full-time CF. But he can play most games there. Nimmo will be playing some CF, Canha a bit, and possibly a guy not even on the roster on opening day if there’s an injury…..and especially with guys over 30, injuries happen and take longer to heal.
CF being what it is these days, a few vets who can fake it at the position for a half season is the best you can do really.
Agreed – Marte’s CF defense will help at Citi Field, while the high-floors of guys that don’t strikeout and get OB to be table setters, especially if there’s no hitting pitchers next season which makes lineups a lot more fluid and more opps for guys to drive them in. Alonso could lead the league in RBI, if healthy (Duvall did it in the NL in 2021 – and Marte was many of those runs while in MIA, fwiw).
Mets should sign a pitcher but they should also use their newfound surplus of roster redundancy in light of yesterday’s moves to trade for one as well. Not entirely sure if either Dom Smith or JD Davis have enough value to headline a deal for either Manaea or Bassitt in Oakland but swapping one of them for a pitcher with similar years of control who is a change of scenery candidate or blocked in their current rotation makes sense to me. I’m thinking of guys like Mitch Keller in Pittsburgh, Forrest Whitley in Houston, Aaron Ashby in Milwaukee or someone else in that realm of either a former top prospect who’s shine has faded or a guy who has put up intriguing results but faces an uphill battle to lock down a spot on their current team’s rotation. No guarantee the move would work out but the potential to stabilize the back end of the rotation for the next 3-4 years for giving up a guy that won’t get much playing time is worth the risk in my opinion.
Yea, those are some good ideas, as much as I hate to part with Smith, McNeil or Davis
@ Cosmo2;
Yes, Smith and McNeil are gone for pitching. But I doubt they get anything resembling a #3 or 4 starter for them. Probably a decent set-up guy, maybe a long reliever / bulk pitcher.
I have my doubts about trading Davis if the DH comes to the NL. They pretty much would then be using the DH for Cano; can’t see him hitting what Davis does. I wrote a few months ago that Davis would be fine as a primary DH – as happened with Nelson Cruz; when he got away from trying to fix his defensive deficiencies, he was able to concentrate on hitting, and that’s what he does.
Note my post above.
“I doubt they get anything resembling a # 3 or 4”…. Yea, I agree, that’s part of why I’m averse to trading those guys, they won’t get what’s needed in return. But in the hypothetical, that’s what you hope for.
My point earlier…..
I don’t think Cohen wants offensive guys like that on the roster – line drive hitters with little speed.
Think he’s trying to be the Yankees.
Good post @jimmyz
All three signings by the Mets yesterday seem solid and should help the Mets offensively, defensively and in the club house. The main potential risk is all three are in their early 30s, but these are short-term deals outside of Marte, and even he’s limited to four years. The 7-10 year deals are the killers, unless you’re looking at younger and elite talent. Good first week for the Eppler-Cohen duo.
These 3 signing will produce a .240 batting avg. at best.
Im not impressed to say the least
I think the farthest east Scherzer is trying to go is St.Louis, beyond that i think he stays out west. The Giants, Dodgers, Angels, even the Mariners have the money to spend. Even the Rangers can afford to be in on Max if they want to be
Agree totally. He said no more east coast if it wasn’t Washington. Plus i had to sit out and bake in the sun a few years ago with tickets 20 rows above the dugout watching him no hit us.
Even as a true MLB fan it was hard to stomach. Lol.
Just my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
I highly doubt the mets sign anyone that loses them high draft capital. Losing Thor I hated. Same for Conforto when he eventually signs elsewhere but its clear these were decisions to help fix the farm system. 2 very early picks and 2 comp picks can do wonders to a farm thats lost major talent for stupid trades. Kelenic proved 2nd half he is the stud we all know he will be. Both guys sent to Toronto for Stro will also come back to bite them and Crowe Armstrong if he recovers from his injury all will go down as disasters. But now, They also have a decision to make about Mauricio and Vientos who if they do sign Javy, will have no where to get called up to play. Escobar deal is a perfect fit for Baty’s time table. And the OF signings right now give them great leverage to have 2 very good CF’ers in Marte and Nimo and now we have alot of depth. Canha is a perfect around the top of the order guy to get on base. Marte too. They need people on base. They then need hitters who can get runners to score from scoring position along with the pop. Thats what they got yesterday. I loved the signings. NOW once they know about a DH or not THEY can make a decision on dom Smith who has a lot of value. 1b becUse lets face it is the weakest position depth wise in the infield right now in MLB. A lot of teams would love Dom Smith or need a Dom Smith.
So with at least those 2 good prospects and guys like McNeal, Davis and Smith you have 5 really good chips to go out and trade for young cheap – reasonable contracts for Sp2 or Sp3 type arms who can possibly make a jump to SP1. Like a Barrios type of player.
Im still hopeful Stro after blowing up twitter because of clear frustration comes back because I want guys with fire who love to be here. Thats my worry if it is a Lindor/Baez middle infield. I didnt see either of them follow suite to be next in line to take a hard METS ONLy philosophy. Trie captain types.
Losing picks for old free agents isn’t the answer. Scherzer will never pitch here. Id certainly rather Stro stay then Gausman though. Both would be great if money really isn’t an issue but i think you can trade for guys with bigger upside and still save $$$
Long rant but thats how I see the rest of the off season playing out at this point. Time will tell
Well said Krujo. For the record, scouts saw Vientos play a few innings in the OF this past season.
I’m a huge Mets fan, but Dom Smith off that year he had doesn’t have value. He does to us as a DH.
Escobar was smart because neither him nor McNeil block Brett Baty.
Marte is smart because he is Avery good CF who can play corner OF in two years.
Lastly. Nobody has any idea what Cohen can do with the payroll. It could be a crazy number like 350M and his luxury tax hit will be $30 mil. He said he keeps that in his sock drawer.
I’m just happy Conforto is gone. Two great half seasons in 7 years, last year was an abortion.
Go get Soler.
That’s your conforto summary? That’s awful… you do realize his OPS+ in 2018 and 2019 were 122 and 127? Both very solid years.. he was top 30 in all MLB 2017-20 in WRC+… and his rookie year was very strong, over 840 ops in third of a season.. his bad years were sophomore year and the first half of last year… man, met fans took this guy for granted
His agent (Boras) has made clear his guy (Conforto) deserves a mega contract. And that simply isn’t right.
Conforto is a good player.
Good. Player.
Not great.
SCHERZER can probably write his own number in
Instead of Scherzer for $40, why not get Stroman and Gray or Gausman for $40. Stro $20-25 per Gray/ Gausman $15-20 per.
Gausman is too young for the Mets.
With these “top notch” signings , Mets have solidified 3rd pl. Well done
If Scherzer doesn’t want to be in NY, don’t force out. I’d rather have a happy Gausmann or Stro (even though Stro isn’t happy right now) than someone who might not perform his best because he hates where he is.
Other than that, I’d love having Scherzer’s presence in the clubhouse and think the Mets could use a guy to command the locker room (not sure if deGrom is that type of guy) and has ample playoff experience.
safe to say gausman had a successful walk year. anyone know what finally clicked for him this season?