Just before Christmas, the Mets made perhaps their biggest decision of the offseason (which is saying a lot) by hiring Buck Showalter as their skipper. The Mets have been the picture of instability in recent seasons, especially when it comes to their management team. From Carlos Beltran’s hiring-and-firing, to the Jared Porter debacle, to the Mickey Callaway debacle, to the Zack Scott debacle, it’s been a comedy of errors for the Mets – and with this one decision, they hope to turn the tide.
Enter Showalter, who not only is a veteran skipper, but he’s well-respected throughout the game. If nothing else, he ought to be able to finish his contact without committing a crime. And yet, that’s not enough for a franchise that’s put together a solid collection of baseball talent. Just ask Luis Rojas. This team wants to win, and if it does, Showalter will big one of the reasons why.
The track record is there, even if Showalter carries the unfortunate distinction of leaving two different stops the year before they won the World Series. Championships are hardly linear, of course. Whether it should be seen as a positive or a negative that the Yankees and Diamondbacks both won titles the year after he left is a debate for another day.
Let’s stick to the facts for a moment: He has a .506 career winning percentage as a manager over 3,069 games. His teams made the playoffs five times in 20 seasons. His best season, by record, was cut short by the strike in 1994. His worst season, by record, was his last, a 115-loss disaster in 2018 with the Orioles.
Mike Puma of the New York Post went through Showalter’s managerial history, looking back on his stops with the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Rangers, and Orioles. Wherever he went, Showalter was hailed as a solid tactician, incredibly intelligent about the game, and a strong communicator with his players. The latter may be the most important for a beleaguered bunch playing under the bright spotlight of New York.
Showalter has some of baseball’s best clubhouse veterans there to help him in Max Scherzer and Francisco Lindor. Along with Jacob deGrom, the Mets have the big names to match big expectations in the big apple. Having begun his career with the Yankees, Showalter knows a little something about what it’s like to play under those conditions.
The concern in hiring Showalter would be that he’s older now, and the last we saw of him in the dugout, he was perceived to be falling behind the times in terms of baseball’s analytics movement. Generalizations are stickier than comprehensive analysis, however, and there’s clearly more to Showalter’s time in Baltimore than just his decision to hold Zack Britton for a potential save that never came in the 2016 playoffs – even if that’s the moment that sticks.
The first test for Showalter is filling out his coaching staff. He appears to have made his first big decision by hiring Joey Cora to coach third base. Cora joins Showalter and pitching coach Jeremy Hefner on the staff. A lot more decisions are yet to come. Per the latest from MLB’s Anthony DiComo, Showalter said of filling out his staff, “There are so many good, qualified people out there. … We’re moving as fast as we can, but we don’t want to make a mistake. These are very precious and important jobs, and there’s got to be a collaboration with it.”
Limited though our information may be, does the Showalter hire have the Mets on the right track? MLBTR readers, lend us your wisdom: is Showalter the right guy to lead these Mets? Let’s keep this simple for the poll and hash out the details in the comments.
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BuhnerBuzzCut
Haha who votes I don’t know? Why vote… Ugh
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Ironically, the answer to your question is “I don’t know”.
mlb9229
This I do know: biggest decision of the Mets’ offseason was promoting Ben Z to Assistant GM.
OIC2021
He won’t be able to fix Lindor and his rapidly declining numbers, so I voted no.
Dustyslambchops23
Guess you’re ignoring Lindors second half completely ?
swinging wood
I Don’t Know’s on 3rd.
Col. Taylor
Who is a great first baseman.
miltpappas
I did. Cause I don’t know. I’ll let you all know in August……if there’s a season.
Dogbone
They should have hired Tony LaRussa, ‘steal him’, from our Chisox.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
I feel like this survey was missing a 4th option… (lol Mets!)
bucsfan0004
I voted “idk”. Its the most appropriate response and better than being an over-opinionated jerk. Everyone knows Buck’s questionable strategic moves, but he’s also managed a bunch of different winning teams. He won’t be a hindrance like Merlot Joe, but perhaps the next Mets manager (the one after Buck) will be the most critical. Buck – zero rings; post-Buck teams – 5 rings and 8 WS appearances.
dugmet
@bucsfan0004. Questionable moves should not be held against a manager since every fan thinks the manager of their team makes questionable strategic moves. At the end of the day, better players make for better managers because; 1. Better players reduce the number of moves needed to be made each game; and 2. Better players perform better when moves are made.
bucsfan0004
And sometimes the best player patiently waits his turn in the bullpen while slob after slob is being used.
tstats
Because part of it depends on who else they sign
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Buck was a great choice. The real poll question should have been, once the roster is finished, whether Steve and Sandy will now get out of the way and let Buck do his thing.
Omarj
Yeah. Consensus has been, Buck is good at turning things around, but then things get stale. For this example I think you could list a variety of factors. Key reason to Mets success: Buck, health, new ownership (spending), pitching, etc
Yankee Clipper
Yes, great points Manny. I’m curious who doesn’t think he’s right for the Mets. I can’t really envision a better choice at this juncture. At best they could’ve picked someone to do as well, but I doubt better.
Time will tell, but he has a long history of successful management.
Mystery Team
@Yankee Clipper there’s always better and the problem with Buck has been how he handles the clubhouse. His no nonsense style hasn’t sit well with many players in the past and it’s been a minute since he was in the driver’s seat. The biggest issue will be all the days off for the softies who can’t play through minor pain or stress. Him and Nimmo should get along great.
dimitriinla
Well they shouldn’t. In order to survive he is going to need assistance from the front office and analytics — something he eschewed when he was in Baltimore, to the team’s great detriment. No way he would’ve gotten hired by the team if he was not newly amenable to the development of the modern game.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
What exactly is Buck’s ‘Thing?’
seanmc1983
Easy now
sfes
When a girl likes a boy…
nbresnak
So a Great choice is one playoff series win in 20 years. That’s a low floor which I do not prescribe to. I wanted the high ceiling choice in Joe Espada but will support Buck in his quest. 2025 is the next best chance for a Championship because Buck has a 3 year contract.
Sinhalo75
At this stage we all know managers have little to no impact on team record- they no longer manage- they’re all data applicators for the front office across every org in MLB, bar none. Gabe Kapler didn’t suddenly go from incompetent to genius when he traded his Philly jersey for his San Fran jersey. On-field talent and health are the biggest factors in team record.
Samuel
@ Sinhalo75;
If you think that managers don’t matter then you haven’t been watching Terry Francona, Kevin Cash, and Craig Counsell – not just in the dugout running games, but working with – and bringing along – their teams individual players as the season progresses.
Sinhalo75
Those teams have measures of talent. They’re not turning .220 hitters into all-stars and 100 loss teams into 90 win teams. Milwaukee has good pitching and almost, almost everyone knows TB is probably the most analytically driven team in the league. Managers are chiefly data applicators across the entire league. Manager of the year award is outdated. Period.
Samuel
@ Sinhalo75;
LOL
Then why don’t they just have a computer manage?
Have you ever played baseball? Not rotisserie league. The kind where someone throw a pitch, batters hit it and run, defenses do things….etc.
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If you think a manager is simply following a displayed script on a mobile device I’d suggest you buy a ticket to a MLB game, and look directly in the dugout with binoculars all game.
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As for manager not affecting players BA’s etc, one way or the other – I think you need to talk to some experienced or retired ML players.
Lloyd Emerson
Who needs binoculars when you have MIND CONTROL!
Samuel
LOL
Samuel
@ Sinhalo75;
I spent my career in computers. Today I spend some time with doctors in a world class hospital. All the specialists have access to the same computer systems and data. Yet different doctors suggest different treatments for the same patient. Why is that?
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A bit after Ted Turner bought the Braves he had MLB all figured out. He spent a lot on money of FA’s and was going to make the Braves champions within a few years.
His first or second year in Spring Training the manager asked Ted he’d like to sit in the dugout and manage the game. They got the OK from the umpires. After every pitch the manager explained all the variables that were now in play and asked Ted if he should make a move, and if so, what it should be. Ted lasted less than half an inning and never bothered his manager again.
Hexbreaker
@Sinhalo75
You’ve got your facts wrong.
In May 1977 (not Spring Training), Ted Turner fired manager Dave Bristol for two weeks so Turner could do the job himself.
He managed one complete game. Not less than a half inning.
And he stopped not because he wanted to, but because he was told after the game by Commisioner Bowie Kuhn that any stockholder of a team is forbidden to manage it.
By the way, he lost a close one, 2-1.
As Casey Stengel would say, “you can look it up.”
baseball-reference.com/managers/turnete99.shtml
Sinhalo75
That is absolutely and completely irrelevant. The game has drastically changed since.
Hexbreaker
@Samuel
You’ve got your facts wrong.
In May 1977 (not Spring Training), Ted Turner fired manager Dave Bristol for two weeks so Turner could do the job himself.
He managed one complete game. Not less than a half inning.
And he stopped not because he wanted to, but because he was told after the game by Commisioner Bowie Kuhn that any stockholder of a team is forbidden to manage it.
By the way, he lost a close one, 2-1.
As Casey Stengel would say, “you can look it up.”
baseball-reference.com/managers/turnete99.shtml
Sinhalo75
Lololol all that’s absurd and nothing close to applicable
Tomas7
And don’t leave out Bob Melvin.
Metsin777
You forget that baseball has human elements to go along with that data. If a team doesn’t have a good leader (Luis Rojas) then the good teams will get worse and the bad teams will get even badder. I believe in teams having older managers that the players can look up to and take critisism from. How do you expect players to look up to/take critisism from guys only about 5 years older than them (Luis Rojas) who have never played a single game in the majors. Showalter is a veteran, a proven winner, and hes a father figure to a lot of guys in the lockeroom. These are all things Luis Rojas was not. That is just one of the reasons why the Mets failed this year, other than all the other factors that made Rojas incompetent
Sinhalo75
Any trained professional can be a psychologist. The Mets didn’t miss the playoffs bc Rojas was bad. The best SP on earth missed half the season and they had hitting trouble. Neither Gil, Casey, nor Connie Mack could’ve made them a playoff team last season. And the part of criticism this and criticism that… that’s just downtrodden authoritarian failure culture talking. They’re not criticizing players. C’mon now.
The Natural
Can you imagine Showalter not immediately nipping the thumbs down antics in the bud? Rojas was somewhat clueless.
Sinhalo75
It would have happened regardless and again not Buck nor anyone else would’ve had this team in the playoffs.
Samuel
The offseason here used to be all Yankees and Red Sox all the time.
This year it’s all Mets all the time.
What more can be written about the Mets owner, FO, and manager?
It appears that they’re hardly done with offseason moves, so when that happens there will be something to dialog about. In the meantime there are at least 20 other franchises that haven’t gotten much play that can be discussed.
Highest IQ
Buck is great but it’s the Mets.
Dustyslambchops23
Isn’t everyone just going to judge him based on W/L anyways? So it’s a question of how successful the mets will be next year
mrgreenjeans
Buck is no Tony Larussa.. terrible hire.. ugh
riffraff
you are correct – Buck has never been arrested..let alone for the same offense twice.
VonPurpleHayes
Too early to tell, but I certainly think it’s a good hire.
brucenewton
Inexperienced route didn’t work.
lumber and lighting
Buck vs Scherzer and deGrom is going to be must watch if Buck comes with a short hook to their hill.
lumber and lighting
What if deGrom and Scherzer late season flare ups last yr continue.That would be disastrous to that Met payroll.Cano,deGrom,&Scherzer unable to perform is over 100 million dollars on those 3.GL hope it works out.
ohyeadam
Toss Lindor in there too
lumber and lighting
IMO Matty 2 color eyes,cost the Dodgers big time.They conferred with the big 3(Urias,Scherzer,& Walker B) and came up with a plan.Matty chocked and he blamed the Dodgers for resting him before the playoffs.Reg season for LA he was lights out.Playoffs,honestly he looked hurt or he had a blister,something.That something was a dead arm & shoulder.His arm was shot by the playoffs.
❤️ MuteButton
I think it’s impossible to know at this point. I view the New York Mets as a dysfunctional mess. They regularly pick the wrong people for leadership positions, and great players go there to underperform. So, we won’t know until we see how this plays out. I’m certainly skeptical.
GriffeyJrFan
Front offices and analytics are making calls way more than they did in the past. Short hooks on SP, platoons. Sometimes the old manager guy instincts work. We just won’t see it anymore.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
The Natural
Totally disagree. He will come in and have the player’s backs and he will define roles. Dom Smith, McNeil and others got their chains jerked non stop. The clubhouse was a huge mess, he’ll help straighten it out and will have input on who stays and who goes.
And don’t think for a second that he a stranger to analytics.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
CravenMoorehead
I thought you called him another word that begins with an R for a second lol
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
kingbum
Buck is an old retread, that players will get tired of hearing from real quickly. I doubt Buck is strong in the analytics he’s gonna need help there. It’s an evolving game and I really wonder if the clubhouse is going to be able to relate to him.
RedFraggle
As long as he doesn’t switch them to cotton uniforms.
sfes
Always love a good Seinfeld reference
Fire Krall
let’s do a poll on Ken Rosenthal and his contract not being renewed by Manfred???
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
I love Ken Rosenthal for a whole bunch of reasons. Manfred? Total doofus. Surprised Biden hasn’t tapped him for a Cabinet position. He’d fit right in with the rest of those morons.
Northeasternskier
What an stupid story subject. Idiot.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Buck will do the right thing 90% of the time. Key for him is, will he have his moving parts to maneuver, or will 2022 be yet another season ruined by injuries? Dunno. Mets must lead all of MLB each year in DL stints to key (And expensive.) players.
Bigtimeyankeefan
Buck is one of the best managers in baseball, hands down. When the orioles had just an ok roster he managed them to playoffs. When they had a crappy, garbage roster , he could do nothing with them … but who could… never a more prepared manager. He is also first person in , last person out. I hate the Mets, but think showalter is a great move.
LordD99
Of course he is.
There’s been a lot of nonsense and unprofessional actions that have come out of the Mets clubhouse in recent years. That’s all about to end. They’ll be no Lindor-McNeil raccoon incidents. As I’ve noted previously, McNeil is probably going to have the most difficulty with Showalter who won’t put up with his nonsense. That’s why I believe McNeil will be traded. There’s no better prepared manager or on-field strategist. His teams almost always outperform preseason expectations.
ln13
Hey Mets fans, get ready for stupid, irritating nicknames for the players…Sherzy, Gromy, Lindy,…
Lots of Baltimore fans loved this guy. He just got on my nerves, between every player’s name ending in a Y and him sticking with his favorites, no matter how bad they were (I’m looking at you Ubaldo Jimenez, Chris Davis and Ryan Flaherty, et al).
sfes
I’m wondering what he called Ubaldo and Flaherty… Baldy and Ryan-y?
LordD99
Geez. I thought that was a Girardi specialty!
bobtillman
He’s perfect if for no other reason than he’s dealt with the looney NY media and an interfering owner before. And enough about Buck being “old school”; he was using charts and graphs when he managed in the minors (and his wife has the colored pencils to prove it).
He’s also a “players’ manager; he won’t embarrass his troops to the press; players respect that. AND there’s little doubt he knows the “X-es and O-es”, and might be the best around at knowing them.
I think you’ll see the Mets play a more disciplined, fundamentally sound brand of baseball, something you haven’t seen at City in quite a while. After a while (not long), it will become second nature to the players, and they won’t even realize they’re doing it.
Silent Bob23
Whoever wrote this article got one thing wrong. Lindor is not a clubhouse leader. He is a horrible virus and I hope Buck puts him in his place right away. The true leaders of this Mets team are deGrom and the Polar Bear. Let’s be very clear about this. Did we all forget the thumbs down or his gangbanger choke hold on the Squirrel? I love my Mets, but they need to deal with this diva players and not sign them at all. The Mets should have waited a year to get a shortstop. Seagar would have been great in the orange and blue.
njbirdsfan
I’m going to go out on a limb and bet that when Oakland makes their hire it won’t receive this kind of second guessing.
30 Parks
Showalter is a leader. In contemporary society we’ve confused the notion of leadership with so many lesser traits. There are industries that even think they can teach leadership. No – you are a leader or you’re not. It’s innate. Buck is a good fit with the Mets & it will be great seeing him in an MLB dugout again.
to4
I’ll say that if he managed to take the O’s to the play offs with a line up of Jones, Hardy, Markakis, Davis, Schoop, Weiters, Machado and Britton as a CL, I think he should be able to take the Mets deep if they can hit and stay healthy!
He’ll have a better line up in place headed by studs like (Lindor, Alonso), 2 Aces to count with and a CL in Díaz who not so long ago, was the AL leader in SV.
Dan Hunter
Aces that most likely will not stay healthy, and no big bat other than Alonso.
nwwh
I met Buck when he managed the Oneonta Yankees in ‘86 when I was 10. His wife saw me waiting for autographs outside of the dugout after a game and brought me over to him. I don’t remember much other than that he was super friendly. I still have the autograph packed away somewhere. As a lifelong NY Mets fan, I’m very happy he’s our manager.
Dan Hunter
What happens to Mr. Showalter when Scherzer and deGrom get hurt early in the year and he has no big rbi bat to back Pete?
JimmyForum
He just used the word precious, so obviously not.
RobM
Won’t know until the seasons starts, but history says he’ll help. A good manager can probably steal three or four wins over the course of a season, and he is a good manager.
stymeedone
Unless he has experience at Ringling Brothers, I don’t know if he is the right man for this circus. Does running the Bronx Zoo count?
jints1
I like Buck but I’m also ‘idk’. The last season in Baltimore was bizarre. The Orioles seemed to have the talent to compete at the beginning of the season but everything went south in a hurry. Letting Machado play short was not a good move. Was it Buck’s fault? He did seem to lose any interest as the season went on.
cheapgm4hire
Absolutely! Let’s not forget he has been in NY before serving under the most involved chaos creating owner in the history of the game, George Steinbrenner!
Jim Carter
Buck was a dinosaur 10 years ago.
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