Last week, Andrew Baggarly of the Athletic wrote that Seiya Suzuki fielded interest from ten to twelve major league teams before the lockout. The identities of all those clubs aren’t known, but the Giants, Mariners, Rangers, Red Sox, Blue Jays and Yankees had all been tied to the NPB star in the past.
During his conversation with Baggarly, Suzuki also downplayed the possibility he’d return to Japan for another year because of concerns about the lockout. Whenever Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association do reach an accord on the next collective bargaining agreement, Suzuki will have twenty days to hammer out a deal with an MLB team under the terms of his unique cross-lockout posting experience.
One could argue Suzuki’s landing spot is tougher to peg than any other free agent’s. For one, different teams might have disparate evaluations on his projection. The broad consensus MLBTR received when speaking with various team personnel at the outset of the winter was that Suzuki projected as a well-rounded, productive everyday right fielder. Yet there’s likely more team-to-team variance on Suzuki’s outlook than there would be on those of players like Kyle Schwarber or Nick Castellanos, both of whom have lengthy MLB track records to evaluate.
Suzuki is also uncommonly young for a free agent. Having turned 27 years old in August, he should have a few seasons of peak performance ahead of him. That could open an opportunity for an immediate non-contender to jump into the bidding. Even if the club isn’t planning to compete next season, adding Suzuki could be a way for a team currently amidst a rebuild or reboot to proactively land a hopeful first-division regular for a season or two down the line.
Perhaps Suzuki’s asking price could help narrow down the field. There’s not been any indication what he and his representatives are targeting from a financial perspective. MLBTR forecasted a five-year, $55MM contract entering the offseason. That kind of deal could prove too costly for the most payroll-conscious clubs. Yet Baggarly indicated the low-payroll Rays are expected to be involved in Suzuki’s market, so team spending habits alone may not narrow down the field much.
For the purposes of this poll, let’s assume Suzuki makes the jump to MLB this offseason. What does the MLBTR readership think? Where will Suzuki begin his MLB career?
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123redsox
The only way he becomes a fit for the mariners is if they trade Haniger which won’t happen. It’s sox or giants
dshires4
Haniger is under contract for one more year and then he’s a free agent. Nobody has their name written in permanent ink in CF on this lineup card. The notion that there’s not a fit in Seattle for the 2022 season is false.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Julio Rodriguez will be a starting outfielder for the Mariners on Opening Day 2023, the rest is up in the air.
rememberthecoop
You’re conveniently forgetting about service time manipulation (unless the new CBA changes the rules).
Stevil
Do you think Seattle intends to hold him back the entire 2022 season and part of 2023?
Fever Pitch Guy
The Red Sox have had a long and storied history of Japanese players.
Nomo, Matsuzaka, Uehara, Sawamura, Okajima, Tazawa, Ohka, Saito
If you want to win championships, Boston is the place to sign.
Stevil
Boston has had a number of Japanese players. Seattle has had 11. In fact, I think they’ve had at least one Japanese player on their team or in the organization every season since 1996. Mac Suzuki debuted in ’96, but spent ’97 in AAA Tacoma.
Boston has had a lot of success. That has to be attractive. I wonder it’s equally or more appealing to go to the one team that has never even been to a World Series and potentially make history as a pioneer. I can tell you that the Mariner minor-leaguers (some have since graduated) have been vocal about their desire to be part of the machine that gets Seattle their first championship.
That’s not something Mariner fans heard or saw in the past.
jmi1950
In the last 15 yrs. while the M’s were failing to reach the post season Bos & SF each won three rings. Dice K got two rings and Okajima, Tazawa & Uehara each got one.. Winning might not be the only thing but it certainly counts for some.
Stevil
What part of “Boston has had success. That has to be attractive.” did you miss?
The point is that the challenge of helping a team make their own (positive) history could be attractive as well. Seattle isn’t the same team they were in the Bavasi-Zduriencik years. Having a young core of some of MLB’s best prospects coming into the picture makes for a pretty promising future.
That, too, has to be attractive, among other things.
Fever Pitch Guy
Stev – I agree with you, but I think breaking a long winless streak is probably low on a Japanese player’s list of priorities. If they are not that familiar with the team or the city, they probably won’t care.
I think Mariners ownership and Ichiro’s history with the team could be what attracts Suzuki to Seattle, if the money’s equal.
I think weather and a laid back baseball culture could be a draw for California and Southern US teams.
On the flip side, I think weather and the intense scrutiny by fans and media could be a turnoff with Northeast teams.
But honestly, if a player wants to be on the biggest stage in the biggest limelight with the best chance of winning I think NY and Boston would hold the most appeal.
Stevil
I don’t think you can, or should, look at things like that isolated. A team without a history of recent success (or much at all) alone isn’t interesting. But a team with a load of talented, hungry young players, an energized fan base, money to spend, and in a fun environment with a strong desire to win? That’s different. Having your childhood hero trying to lure you probably doesn’t hurt, either. The collective pros (and cons) can help make or break a sales pitch
By the way, the weather in the PNW is chilly in April., but the end of May, and throughout the rest of the season, there is no better place to be in the continental US.
Your point about being on the big stage is certainly a possibility as well. We don’t know what’s driving his decision, we can only speculate, but of the rumored/linked teams, Seattle probably needs him the most. They desperately need impact-bats and better OF defense. Their offer to Suzuki should reflect that.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think the Mariners will hold Julio Rodriguez back during part of 2022 if service time manipulation still benefits them under the new CBA. But I stick with my view that by Opening Day 2023, he will be one of the M’s starting outfielders. They may even extend him in advance, he is that special.
Fever Pitch Guy
All it takes is one team to blow him away with a huge contract that’s far more than the other offers.
$75M over 5 years? Yeah I can see it, especially after my team gave $72.5M to Rusney Castillo.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I think Suzuki could land pretty much anywhere. At his age and such a low projected contract I think a lot of teams will be trying to lock him up long term to get him at a bargain salary. He looks to be the best transplant from Asia since Ohtani. People were projecting Hae-Song Kim to get close to $30 million last offseason and he isn’t even very good. Suzuki is so much better than Kim it’s ridiculous. I think this is one of the few contracts MLBTR drastically under projected. Schwarber might get a little more than his projection, too. I think guys like Bryant and Castellanos were way over projected, though.
Stevil
With his athleticism, Seattle would undoubtedly use him in center. Here’s a solid and more recent scouting report….
prospectslive.com/prospects-live/2021/10/22/seiya-…
giantsphan12
I think Zaidi will put a very competitive offer on the table and then try to reel Suzuki in with the club’s culture, highlighting the fact that Taira Uematsu is on our coaching staff. How many other clubs have a Japanese-born MLB coach? I believe none other than the Giants (could be wrong). At this rate, we’ll know by August!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Giants are very thoughtful and rarely overbid. I think Suzuki is going to go for way more than predicted. Maybe five years and $80 million or six years and $85 million. The Giants are unlikely to spend that for Suzuki.
Stevil
I could see him even getting 6/90 and I wouldn’t be shocked if he gets more.
Teams will have to pay Hiroshima their cut, but he could very well prove to be the steal of the offseason. The floor is high with his defense and speed. The batted-ball profile and discipline make his ceiling even higher.
Jean Matrac
MannyBeingMVP:
It’s not that FZ won’t spend what it takes to sign Suzuki, he will spend it for the right guy. He offered Harper a big deal. So it’s not a question of FZ not spending what it takes, it’s a question of how much he likes Suzuki. I think neither one of us knows the answer to that.
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Tad:
I mostly agree. But the price for Suzuki will be higher now than it was a couple months ago. FZ won’t make a desperation move so if he wasn’t buying Suzuki at $70 million before, I doubt he will be now at $85 million.
Jean Matrac
Manny:
Do you have an in with Farhan? How do you know he wasn’t buying Suzuki at $70M before? All he’s ever said is they probably won’t sign any 9 digit contracts, which is irrelevant when it comes to Suzuki.
Teams don’t get carried away in bidding wars like some out of control auction. They have a set amount they feel a player is worth, and don’t wildly exceed that number in a bidding frenzy.
If Suzuki can be signed for what the Giants value him, then they have a good chance. I don’t know if they will or won’t. But I do know for a fact, that if FZ values Suzuki at a high enough number he stands a good chance to be a Giant.
Stevil
Think Seattle’s history with Japanese players and the perks they’ve given them & their families might be a consideration? How about the fact he wears number 51 and would have a chance to help lead the Mariners to their first postseason in 20 years–a feat that hasn’t happened since another player wearing number 51 debuted?
Many teams have something extra to offer. None of it may matter, but my guess is that he’ll sign where he thinks he’ll feel comfortable and have a chance to win perennially.
HalosHeavenJJ
Interesting tidbit on the number 51. Seattle should retire that number soon. It has gone from Johnson to Ichiro (kind of like 27 going from Vlad to Trout here).
I wonder if Suzuki would want to wear 51 in Seattle and if Seattle would let him.
Stevil
Ichiro asked Randy for permission to wear 51 and of course he had no problem with it.
If Seattle doesn’t intend to retire the number immediately, I would imagine we would see the same ritual.
Rsox
As an interesting aside: if Seiya signs with Seattle (tongue twister) he would be the 3rd Suzuki to play for the Mariners
AlienBob
@giantsphan12
Well, actually in Seattle he will be coached by his boyhood idol the original No. 51, Ichiro Suzuki. I think he will welcome playing in center field. It will only increase his market value. Nintendo is still a minority owner of the M’s. His opportunities to make money after baseball will be greatest with the Mariners. Ichiro was in Japan recently and is personally recruiting him. And Seattle has the best Japanese food and a large Japanese population.
AlienBob
Oh, and Portland is after an MLB expansion franchise and has international money lined up to build a new stadium. I suspect that team is going to be financed with Japanese money, too.
Irishblade
I agree with everything except The Original #51. Another Hall of Famer wore it right before Ichi got to us.
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The Big Unit!
Won the Cy Young 5 times and was runner-up 3 more times.
101 WAR, 4875 strikeouts, 303 wins, 100 complete games.
Jean Matrac
AlienBob:
What if the M’s sign Bryant? They’re one of the favorites to land him. Are they going to spend what it takes to sign both him and Suzuki?
Not sure that Portland’s pursuit of a team is germane to the Suzuki discussion. Expansion is still a couple years down the road.
giantsphan12
@AlienBob, point well-taken. The Japanese culture in Seattle would seemingly be attractive. Ichiro doing some recruiting probably helps too. However, the sushi is SF is pretty darn good too and is everywhere.
AlienBob
I am not a big fan of Bryant but I could see them signing Suzuki and an infielder to play 3B if the deals are right.
Portland is germane because MLB needs the Japanese to buy one or more franchises right after the CBA is complete. Russell Wilson is already signed by the Portland franchise as a part owner. Having Seiya Suzuki to drum up interest would help. Root Sports owns the Mariners and likely will be broadcasting games for any Portland team, too. Seiya would likely get a large promotion deal and the league office would love it. The Japanese stick together.
Ducey
Yeah, I am sure he will sign in Portland. Home of the not built stadium and non existent team.. Thanks for pointing out that great option.
marinersblue96
@AlienBob – Portland will never get a MLB franchise, Portland is within the Mariners media rights and MLB cannot force them to relinquish those rights(see SF Giants, San Jose, and the A’s).
Also you have it backwards, The Seattle Mariners own Root Sports(71% ), they now have NBA(Portland Trailblazers), NHL(Kraken), as well as the M’s broadcast rights. The M’s deal with Root nets them $114 to $150 million from baseball alone and likely close to that in combined NBA/NHL telecasts.
There is no way they would let another MLB team take a piece of that pie
Jean Matrac
Unless you’re actually Jerry Dipoto, what you or I think about Bryant is irrelevant. You may not care for Bryant, but the word is the M’s do.
Again, what happens in Portland in regard to a team they may, or may not get, several years down the road, is not anywhere germane.in regard to where Suzuki signs in 2022.
Redwolves3
Don’t count on Zaidi’s offer being enough to sign Suzuki. Dodgers may be a sleeper and sign him; then trade Lux. Dodgers will do anything to steal a player Giants are interested in.
Jean Matrac
If FZ wants him the offer will definitely be enough. SF is one of the wealthiest teams in MLB, and they have a ton of payroll space. So far their payroll is only $107M.
In fact, it’s the Dodgers that probably won’t spend. Their payroll is currently twice as big as the Giants. And Friedman is too smart to risk going over the CBT with a FA while trading a guy under team control. He’s also too smart to spend more than is wise just to prevent a player signing in SF.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
On this point, agree with Tad. Dodgers not going after Suzuki. They went for CT instead. Dodgers will trade for a starter, small chance that they trade for Olson, but Suzuki is not in the picture unless a present outfielder gets injured this Winter.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Red Sox or Phillies. If the offers are close, he’ll pick the Red Sox.
I think that the Phillies may have the higher bid if the Red Sox make a play to re-do the contract for Xander Bogaerts so that he does not opt out and leave.
teddyb1941
I believe the Red Sox will try and sign Rafael Devers to an extension before any attempt to rework Bogaerts contract. Devers is a generational hitting talent and Bloom is not going to want to lose another player with that kind of talent.
teddyb1941
I am not dissing Bogaerts at all with that comment. I love Bogaerts and think he gets a bit of a bum rap with his defensive metrics. He is in many ways the face of this Red Sox team but I just believe Bloom will move on an extension for Devers ahead of Bogaerts.
MLB-1971
The Yankees will sign him, because they need to replace the bum they currently have in RF. Lol
No, seriously I think the Red Sox will open the wallett for Suzuk
Deadguy
Seatle was very kind to Ichrio Suzuki
I see him signing with Seatle, Boston, or San Francisco most
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
Well congratulations Sox! Suzuki definitely seems to have a lot of talent. Hearing he could play centerfield, and has good power.
Randy Red Sox
Bloom only signs guys to 1 or 2 year deals. It will be the Giants
jmi1950
Bloom will be following Henry’s orders. Just like when he traded Mookie.
Randy Red Sox
exactly. only 1 0r 2 yr deals
The Baseball Fan
Might go to the Mariners…heard they had a guy named Suzuki who was pretty decent back in the day…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Their Suzuki was truly great, much better than the version that played for the Marlins.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Ichiro had 200 hits in each of his first ten MLB seasons, but Ichiro and Seiya are as different as Rod Carew and Bobby Abreu.
mrperkins
No, he’s talking about Mac Suzuki. Perennial Cy Young candidate. Never won, but in theory he was elgible. He really put it together in 2000 to have a season that was actually ok
The Baseball Fan
Exactly right. How did you know?
Vizionaire
the guardians should do it!
Polish Hammer
They should, but they never get in on these signings.
thickiedon
Cleveland makes sense to me.
Polish Hammer
Cleveland always plays it wayyyyy too cautious with these international signings and prefers to stay on the sidelines. I wish they’d still their necks out and take a chance.
gson
As far as a direct signing of Suzuki by the Guardians, that seems doubtful.. He would fit nicely in Seattle but would create a glut that can be exploited. I.O.W., Suzuki would not be the only piece the mariners would be looking for to complete their team & make the playoffs in 2022.. The Mariners will be looking to “keep” their top three or four prospects (julio rodriguez, noelvi marte, emerson hancock and george kirby). Cleveland doesn’t need prospects, but they’ll surely take / add guys their personnel acquisition model fits.. The Mariners next priorities have to be a ML ready / ML SP and a 2B.. Cleveland has what the Mariners want. If it’s Suzuki going to Seattle, then the Guardians would love to have any one or a group that includes Haniger, healthy Lewis &/or White, and a prospect or two from a group that includes a catcher like Ford, a LHRP like Williamson and/or an upside / potential starting pitcher that fits their model (Levi Stoudt).. Tyler Freeman and Zach Plesac might be enough to cover some/most of the Mariner contingent.. Thoughts?..
Rsox
I hope Boston, because at least that would make the Hunter Renfroe/JBJ trade make sense
Manfred’s playing with the balls
I picked the Rangers. I could see them continuing to spend like drunken sailors.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
They already have spent like drunken sailors. Yes how bout one more?
tedtheodorelogan
Giants really need some more right handed hitters. Been unimpressed with their off season approach so far, but then again I didn’t see them winning the NL West last year either.
PutPeteinthehall
Going to a west coast team. Probably the Giants. He’s not signing with the Red Sox.
JeffreyChungus
wrong
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Hard to argue with that analysis, LOL
MLB Top 100 Commenter
More like KvetcherFan69.
The irony is that I was responding to RJ.
tstats
Imma make the case for the Astros.
They need a true OF to play with the young center fielders and the two near DHs on the corners. Use him in all three OF spots primarily center field and give the youngsters chances when guys need the inevitable off day with Yordan inked into the DH spot.
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Tstats:
I still think Correa will be back with the Astros (for fewer years than Seager) and that they will have no money left for other expenditures.
Yankees will go with Story, Red Sox will re-do Bogaerts to prevent the opt-out and Phillies will sign Suzuki and trade for Kiermaier.
NY_Yankee
Yankees are not signing Story or any shortstop for more then one year. They have several upcoming shortstops ( especially Volpe). I could actually see them signing no one at any position for more then a one year contract.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
After a year or two, they can move Story to the keystone.
RobM
Prospects bust. Plus, if they want to trade for someone like Olson, they’ll have to include one of their SS prospects, which will place even more importance on the other one. There’s plenty of room for either Story or Correa, and one of their SS’s. Collect talent.
The Yankees (and other big-market teams) want to see. the new CBA for two reasons: 1) What’s the new luxury tax thresholds; 2) Will there be an expansion of the postseason.
If there’s an expansion of postseason teams, then 88 wins gets a team in. If they don’t, they’ll need to shoot for over 90 wins. That will impact how big they go on free agency.
NY_Yankee
Here is something to think about: The Yankees have been linked to Brandon Mayea from Cuba, who is the top ranked IFA player for next year. He could have been eligible this year ( due to his birthday), but is deferring until 2023. If the Yankees sign a Story or Correa they lose $500k that can be set aside for Mayea.
bobtillman
Good thing they didnt’ sign any Free Agent OFers a few years back; otherwise, they wouldn.t have any room for Rob Refsnyder.
ctguy
There’s always room for Refsnyder…..or Blake Swihart
tstats
I can see how you think that but I just don’t think Crane is gonna open the pocket books for this one
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Tstats:
Astros: Correa for eight years at $35 million per year, no trade clause, $280 million.
Phillies have too many other needs. Yankees can go with Story and move him to keystone when their prospects are ready. Mariners are not spending that much.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Just saw that Correa moved from Morris to Boras. My eight years $280 million “compromise” theory for Correa and Astros seems a lot less likely now.
rangers13
He will be a Ranger as he fits perfectly for present and future needs.
Garmo87
Agree
Jean Matrac
rangers13:
Sure, he’s a fit for the Rangers, but he’s also a good fit for several other teams as well. Just because he a fit on one team doesn’t mean that team will sign him.
Bruin1012
I’m really hoping Boston as well. Bloom traded Renfroe right before the lockout it seems he must of been at least pretty sure he was getting Suzuki or at the very least Schwarber. I guess we will find out after the lockout but my guess is Boston or SF.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
“Pretty sure”
RobM
While I picked the Red Sox as his landing spot, it’s very unlikely Bloom is sure, or pretty sure, he’s going to land him. Too many teams showed interest. Bloom traded Renfroe knowing he got his career year, which he cashed in for some prospects to add more depth to the system. Bloom more likely believes that even if he doesn’t land Suzuki, he can replace Renfroe’s production elsewhere. Most teams have multiple plans to address needs.
Bruin1012
It’s possible that is the case. The problem is it weakens the Red Sox next year a year after they made it to the ALCS. I may be wrong but something tells me Bloom is playing chess when a lot of his detractors are playing checkers we shall see after the lockout ends.
jtango
If you look at the Sox’ projected starters, there are an awful lot of lefty bats in the OF, And JBJ is kinda iffy at this point, as is Duran.. I know other people like him, but I am pretty sure that if money is an issue, the Sox will be in on this. Especially because for a team like the Sox who talent-wise are on the edge of the playoff race, a couple extra wins might be the edge to get them into the playoffs (like last year…)
If they do not get rhis guy, they will need a trade or maybe a signing of McCutcheon.
Fever Pitch Guy
tango – I’ll ask the same question I’ve asked others, why does it matter if the entire outfield bats left? What matters is the lineup, no?
And as it stands right now, the Sox will have 5 RHB’s in their everyday lineup:
Vazquez/Plawecki
Xander
Dalbec
Hernandez
Martinez
To complain that 3 of the 4 LHB’s in the lineup are OF’ers is silly.
jtango
When the other side starts a lefty, it is more effective to be able to have at least one righty bat out there in addition to the infielders. And also, frankly, Verdugo is the only one of the three that I trust to be a reliable regular — Durran and Bradley were bad at the big league level last year, and injuries happen..
JoeBrady
RobM
Bloom more likely believes that even if he doesn’t land Suzuki, he can replace Renfroe’s production elsewhere.
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That’s my thinking as well. He traded Renfroe because he preferred Suzuki.
And if he doesn’t land Suzuki, he turns his attention to Story.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Why would Bloom sign Story to a 9-figure contract with Mayer knocking on the door within 2-3 years, and especially when Schwarber can be had for approximately half of what Story gets?
Sorry but I think Suzuki is Plan A, Schwarber is Plan B, and Story is Plan C.
CCCTL
Whoever voted “A’s” is clearly not taking this poll seriously.
Stevil
To be fair, the 74-88 2011 Oakland A’s signed Yoenis Cespedes in the offseason.
Nobody saw that coming.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
How about the 1.58% who voted the Pirates!
DarkSide830
hopefully its Philly but I doubt it.
RickEO
Redsox. Easy one
RobM
I picked the Red Sox. They could use a replacement for Renfroe, and Suzuki has the potential to be better than Renfroe. He’s young and won’t break the bank. Seems to fit the profile that Bloom would like.
all in the suit that you wear
I am guessing it will be either Boston or SF. I went with SF because it is closer to Japan.
48-team MLB
Nowhere because they still don’t have a CBA in mid January
rememberthecoop
I’m seeing comments about teams being outbid, and this team won’t spend enough to get him, etc. But these guys are different from players in the states – sure, money & contract length matter, but he won’t just go to the highest bidder. Comfort factor will be huge. And that will be based on factors other than money. That said, I picked the Red Sox, but I could also see the M’s too.
GoGreen
I like this, and for the same reason I think the Rangers should slide into the comfort zone as well having courted the likes of Yu Darvish in years past.
VonPurpleHayes
Really hoping for Philly, but my gut tells me Boston.
Oddvark
I wish I could realistically vote for the White Sox as Suzuki would be a perfect given their RF need, but I would be shocked if they went for it. No one expects them to open up their wallets, and they probably don’t want to block Cespedes/Colas, even though no one really knows if either of those guys will pan out.
maximumvelocity
At that price rate, and with his batter’s eye, he screams White Sox signing, and they have a need.
jimmyz
Suzuki makes a ton of sense for the Braves if they can’t come to an agreement with Freeman and lose him to another team. Also could see the Tigers going after him pretty hard.
rhymeoftheancientmariner
Come to the Malinel
GarryHarris
I assumed Japanese prefer West Coast teams. I was surprised when Daiske Matzusaka went to BOS and even more when Yu Darvish went to TEX.
Since Hideo Nomo became a MLB pitcher, you can’t make a full all star position team of Japanese imports. Many of the hyped Japanese players don’t become stars in the MLB. Ichiro Suzuki, Shohei Oktani and Hideki Matsui are the exceptions. C Kenji Jojima, 3B Akinori Iwamura, 2B Tadahito Iguchi and CF Nori Aoki each had two good seasons then played at replacement level afterwards. SS Kazuo Matsui and RF Kosuke Fukudome never played up to their hype.
It would be good for Baseball to have another star player but Seiya Suzuki is not a lock. His defensive numbers need explanation.
maximumvelocity
Japanese players are like anyone else. Sure, region matters, but money is often the bottom line. It just so happens that West Coast teams actually spend money.
But a number of Japanese players have gone through Chicago, for example. Maybe not the top tier players, but he isn’t really top tier either.
Stevil
‘His defensive numbers need explanation.’
Seriously? If you’re not going to watch uploaded games or clips, at least read scouting reports.
Nobody is questioning his defense.
rocky7
Nobody is questioning his defense…in Japan that is….but what about US ballparks that play unquestionably different than anything he has played in during his career…….questioning his defense is a fair and honest comment and you don’t have to watch “uploaded” games, or read scouting reports on Japanese games to question how his glove will actually play especially if he signs with a team that plans on playing him in CF…..
Stevil
Oh, right, I forgot that dreaded US-ballpark factor.
Disregard everything I said. No need to watch anything or trust scouting reports.
Dadbodfromseattle
Just makes sense for Seattle. A impact power bat in a area predominantly asian market. Remember icbiro ?? He will be loved like Ichiro here especially if he proves his worth and guides Seattle to the promised land
zacharydmanprin
The A’s came out of nowhere to land Yoenis Cespedes and the A’s outfield is suspect with Piscotty a sunken cost and Laureano suspended for a few more months.
gson
As far as a direct signing of Suzuki by the Guardians, that seems doubtful.. He would fit nicely in Seattle but would create a glut that can be exploited. I.O.W., Suzuki would not be the only piece the mariners would be looking for to complete their team & make the playoffs in 2022.. The Mariners will be looking to “keep” their top three or four prospects (julio rodriguez, noelvi marte, emerson hancock and george kirby). Cleveland doesn’t need prospects, but they’ll surely take / add guys their personnel acquisition model fits.. The Mariners next priorities have to be a ML ready / ML SP and a 2B.. Cleveland has what the Mariners want. If it’s Suzuki going to Seattle, then the Guardians would love to have any one or a group that includes Haniger, healthy Lewis &/or White, and a prospect or two from a group that includes a catcher like Ford, a LHRP like Williamson and/or an upside / potential starting pitcher that fits their model (Levi Stoudt).. Tyler Freeman and Zach Plesac might be enough to cover some/most of the Mariner contingent.. Thoughts?..
Stevil
Seattle needs a third baseman and they aren’t likely trading first round picks for pitching. Rebuilding clubs just don’t do things like that before they’re actually in contention.
Further, they aren’t likely trading any outfielders slotted for the active roster. Why woukd they trade a healthy Lewis? They need a healthy Lewis! Haniger is the lone veteran in the outfield and one of their only established offensive threats.
There is no ‘glut’ of outfielders in Seattle. Haniger has just a year of control, Lewis might be their DH, Kelenic hasn’t established himself yet and Rodriguez hasn’t even debuted.
AlienBob
@gson
I agree with Stevil. Seattle doesn’t have a glut of OF’s yet. But it is coming in 2023. I expect Kelenic and Julio to establish themselves this year. We will also get another year of Fraley. Hopefully, Trammel’s bat shows up and Lewis gets healthy. I am also a big fan of Deloach. Dipoto has made it clear he isn’t trading his top prospects. I have advocated for a trade with the Guardians, however, to balance out their respective farm rosters. The Guardians have too many middle infielders and the M’s could use one. I would target Deloach the M’s No. 6 prospect if I were Cleveland in a 1 for 1 trade. DeLoach is going to be blocked by Suzuki, Trammel, Lewis and possibly Julio Rodriquez.
Stevil
Cleveland might be more interested in ready-now players for one last push with Ramirez. This might be his last season in Cleveland, especially if draft pick compensation disappears with the new CBA.
I think a lot of these less-hyped up & coming outfielders for Seattle (Trammell, Deloach, Marlowe, etc.) would be available, but with the ability to option these guys, Seattle would have something they haven’t had in ages: depth.
This lockout leaves plenty of time to overthink everything!
AlienBob
They passed on all of the FA’s that might have improved their roster for this year. In my view, their OF roster is too weak to carry the team far this year. They would be wise to trade Ramirez before he becomes very expensive. They need to be looking a year or two ahead, The Guardians have a lot of young talent and plenty of options to Ramirez at 3B.
DeLoach would be a No. 2 prospect in most teams farm system. The M’s also have Ford who is so talented he could move to outfield. Meanwhile the M’s are shopping for a big bat for the infield because we have nobody on the farm that can hit his weight. This off season is interesting because the M’s could make a number of moves.
Stevil
I don’t disagree, but I don’t think they’re likely going to kick off a rebuild after the rebranding. Not immediately, anyway. Easy to see them reassessing at the deadline.
I don’t know if we should really look at Deloach and Ford the same way, because their ETAs are likely a few years apart. Marlowe is comparable. Larson is a wild card in all this. He’s a little old for his level, but he could be a solid depth piece before both of them. Then there’s a personal favorite, Alberto Rodriguez. He’s right behind all three.
But this is one of the good things about Seattle’s farm. There’s a wave of talent projected to debut virtually every year, and the international amateur signings are only making things look better.
miltpappas
I think he’d prefer the Giants but will end up a Yankee.
54scooterb
Angels and play short.
bobtillman
The skill set plays anywhere; I’m sure it will be all about the Benjamin’s.
Either the Orioles or Pirates make sense.
rocky7
Agree man….its always about the money first!
StPeteStingRays
Suzuki: I’m going to sign with Baltimore, so I can travel to the US just to finish in last place? No, thanks.
Mystery Team
I’d rather take a chance on Suzuki than Schwarber. Schwarber definitely has a longer track record albeit a sketchy one that consists of a few decent runs but otherwise blah and his fielding is atrocious. You can get what Schwarber offers for a lot less money than he wants.
VonPurpleHayes
Suzuki is a much bigger risk, as he could be a complete bust in the MLB, but I think he has a higher ceiling.
Hello, Newman
Detroit is a city in Michigan.
butch779988
Koji Uehara is pitching him on Boston.
rocky7
The Benjamins are and will be pitching him around the league until he signs……Uehara pitching him don’t mean sh_t…if Boston offers the best money he’ll sign there but if they don’t he’s signing somewhere with the 10 teams or so that will be in on him……not to be harsh…..but please don’t bother with the “his buddy/countryman says he’ll love it here” stuff.
Its always about the money!
Stevil
Just like it was with Ohtani? He went to LA for less than he could have gotten with Texas or Seattle.
We don’t know what’s driving his decision the most, but it isn’t likely just about money. He could get a significant contract with a number of teams. He may very well be considering a number of other things, just like he suggested in The Athletic piece.
rocky7
Not sure what Ohtani’s motivation was….nor really do you, and if your choice several years ago was either Texas, Seattle, or Orange County Calif…..which would you have chosen (no disrespect to either city) but in most cases, its always about the money….certainly there isn’t any significant attraction to Boston as compared to any other city/team which basically was my point…..of course with all due respect to “the Athletic”.
Stevil
Actually, we do know, because he stated that his relationship with Billy Eppler played a role, as did the location, the personnel, and what he believed was a winning team that would have sustained success.
At that time, Seattle had their old core in place. Many thought they could make a run. Turned out none of those teams were good enough.
Jean Matrac
rocky7:
“…if your choice several years ago was either Texas, Seattle, or Orange County Calif…”
Is this sarcasm? You’re talking about Ohtani right? IIRC there were about 28 teams that made viable offers to Ohtani, meaning he actually had way far more choices than just Texas, Seattle and Anaheim. Basically his choices were damn well anywhere he wanted.
Stevil
I brought up Texas and Seattle because those were the teams that could offer Ohtani more money than LA. Obviously, every team in baseball had interest. Not every team had meetings with him, though.
The point was that his decision wasn’t just money-driven and Suzuki’s choice may not be just about money, either.
LebronHatesAsians
I hear about his athleticism but see he’s really only played the corners. Does anyone know if he is a legit option in CF or more in line with a fill in option there?
JoeBrady
I was just about to post the same thing. About half the posts in this thread talk about a team signing him to convert him to a CF. Not only would some GMs hesitate to do that, Suzuki might not want to do that.
According to BR- Suzuki has only one game in CF. I’m thinking that moving to the US and playing in the Show is enough pressure, I doubt he is going to want to switch to CF.
For that reason, I think he goes to the RS. There won’t be any issue about where he will play, the RS (probably) have more money, and Koji thinks Suzuki is going to Boston.
And Koji is never wrong. And could probably still make our BP.
rocky7
Wow not surprised at your prediction as you always pray at the Red Sox alter as as a fan as I do at the Yankee alter….but does Koji have any stock tips we all can use….after all he is never wrong…right?
JoeBrady
He only gives stock tips to RS fans.
Trey Buchet
These comments…
D*ckin the dog
Angels new shortstop!!!!
StPeteStingRays
If the Rays unload Kiermaier, to the Phillies for example, I think the Rays make a serious attempt to sign him.
Champa Bay!!!
HalosHeavenJJ
West Coast teams definitely have an advantage here. Direct flights home, larger Japanese populations in the cities of Seattle, SF, and parts of LA and OC.
My gut tells me the best combination of fit, dollars, and living conditions for Suzuki add up to SF or Seattle.
I’m going to hope it is SF but put it at even money.
Stevil
I agree, though there may be other considerations, such as the up & coming prospects and future projections, clubhouse environment, match ups, etc.
There was a report out not too long ago that suggested Seattle was no longer viewed as a sour destination among free agents (this had something to do with the Robbie Ray signing, if I remember correctly). They’re earning a reputation for being a fun team, largely in part due to Scott Servais and the coaching staff.
But of course, nobody knows what he’s thinking. I don’t think anything would really surprise me.
worthington
There’s a history with the Yankees Texas and Red Sox signing players coming from Japan.
Stevil
There’s a history with the Angels, Giants, A’s, and Dodgers as well. Then there’s Seattle.
West coast teams do seem to be more popular with Japanese players,
rocky7
Oh but that Beantown chowder will turn his head no doubt…after all Koji says!
jmi1950
Koji & Dice-K will be wearing their WS rings as they pitch him on Duck Boat Parades.
Digdugler
Not the Jays, they have been ‘linked” to every single Japanese and Korean international FA for decades..