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Quick Hits: Carpenter, Managers, Thome

By Anthony Franco | February 24, 2022 at 9:58pm CDT

Longtime Cardinals infielder Matt Carpenter hit free agency at the end of the season when the team made the easy decision to decline their $18.5MM option on his services for 2022. The three-time All-Star and former Silver Slugger Award winner had fallen on hard times over the past few seasons. After a .257/.374/.523 showing that earned him down-ballot MVP support in 2018, Carpenter has hit only .203/.325/.346 over 910 plate appearances in the last three years.

Having recently turned 36 years old and reached the end of his contract, Carpenter could’ve thought about stepping away from the game. But he’s maintained that he has no plans to retire, and he recently detailed a series of changes he’s made to his offseason routine in a chat with Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic. Carpenter connected with Reds star first baseman Joey Votto, who enjoyed an excellent 2021 season at age-37 after a pair of relatively down years. The lefty-hitting Carpenter praised Votto’s straightforwardness and candidly told Rosenthal “If he would have told me, ‘I think you’ve peaked. I think this is it,’ honestly, I probably would have retired. But he said, ‘I think you do have a lot left. I think you’ve kind of lost your way a little bit.’”

Carpenter suggested he’s embraced some different methods of training, increasing the intensity of his batting practice sessions and pairing with bat manufacturer Marucci to take a data-driven approach to his choice of bat. Carpenter also worked with private hitting instructor Craig Wallenbrock and former teammate Matt Holliday — now an assistant coach at Oklahoma State University — in an effort to rediscover his hitting mechanics. Given his age and recent struggles, Carpenter will have to settle for a minor league or low-base MLB deal whenever transactions again begin, but he tells Rosenthal he’s “more confident about where I’m at and where my swing is than I have been in years, maybe ever.” The piece is worth a read in full for those interested in Carpenter’s process and the mentality both he and Votto have taken in their pursuit of remaining productive as they get into their mid-late 30’s.

Some more odds and ends from around the game:

  • As the amount of data available to and used by teams has exploded in recent years, managers have found themselves with different complexities than they’d faced in the past. Fabian Ardaya, Cody Stavenhagen and Will Sammon of the Athletic recently examined the job description facing modern skippers, who are often tasked with weighing countervailing opinions among front office analysts, players and assistant coaches. Giants manager Gabe Kapler — who has had plenty of success in San Francisco but had been fired after two seasons (2018-19) leading the Phillies — tells the Athletic scribes he feels he wasn’t always perceptive enough of the flow of the game early in his career. “In 2018, I came in with a game plan and tried to fit the game into that game plan at times,” Kapler said. “And I think more and more I’m just sort of watching and experiencing the game in real-time, being present in real-time and noting more things about what’s happening in the dugout, what’s happening with our coaching staff, things like facial expressions with our players and body language on the field.” Ardaya, Stavenhagen and Sammon also chat with Angels skipper Joe Maddon, new Mets manager Buck Showalter, and various front office personnel about the challenges inherent to managing as part of a broader look at the position.
  • The Major League Baseball Players Alumni Association announced yesterday that Jim Thome has been hired as their next president. He takes over for fellow Hall of Famer Brooks Robinson, who had worked in that role since 1989. The MLBPAA, a nonprofit organization of over 8,600 current and former big leaguers, has a stated goal of “(promoting) the game of baseball, (raising) money for charity, (inspiring) and (educating) youth through positive sport images and (protecting) the dignity of the game.” “With what Brooks has done with his honesty, integrity, and leadership skills for the MLBPAA, I am very fortunate that I will be able to lean on him as well and ask him questions,” Thome said as part of the press release announcing the news. “To be the president is a great honor and it’s very humbling.“
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  1. Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

    3 years ago

    I think Thome took steroids. I can’t prove it but I definitely wouldn’t bet against it. If I had to bet my life either way, I would bet Jim Thome did in fact use steroids.

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    • scogan

      3 years ago

      Good for you

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      • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

        3 years ago

        I mean… If everyone had to bet their life either way, would anyone actually bet their life that Jim Thome DIDN’T ever use steroids? That sounds like a dangerous game to me. Even more dangerous than using steroids.

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        • Rick Wilkins

          3 years ago

          I would bet my life that you are the biggest turd on this site. Maybe the whole internet. Gigantic.

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        • chipperniner7

          3 years ago

          Nah, that biggest turn on this site award belongs to Metsfan22. Lol

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        • Unclenolanrules

          3 years ago

          At least it is a Mets fan. No offense to suffering Mets fans.

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        • 17dizzy

          3 years ago

          Right now—it’s water under the bridge what Thome or others in the Hall of Fame did or didn’t do. They’re in!! Get over it!

          Pete Rose— banned from baseball for gambling. And maybe at the time— rightfully so. But NOW—- MLB is strongly considering types gambling on on baseball where MLB gets a kick back

          If MLB’s gambling scheme is accepted—- Pete Rose should automatically be eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame!

          To me—- that would be a bigger travesty of not letting a Super Star —career record holder— be voted on for the Hall of Fame, Than whether or not players in the Hall such as Thome did or did not use PED’s.

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    • Simonmike

      3 years ago

      Moron

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 years ago

      A dude gets selected to replace a heralded baseball figure and lead a major non-profit organization which benefits children and you chose to stand on a soapbox to slander him. Shame on you, man.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        3 years ago

        Yeah and slandering one of the nicest guys in the sport

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    • vikefansbc

      3 years ago

      Did you get hit in the head by a hammer?

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    • rennick

      3 years ago

      A lack of evidence is not evidence.

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    • miltpappas

      3 years ago

      Here come the “Oh! How could you?” comments. Thome cheated. Gwynn cheated. Griffey cheated. Wake up, people. Your “heroes” aren’t really heroes. Life is tough.

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      • paddyo furnichuh

        3 years ago

        Show me a hero, and I’ll write you a tragedy.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          3 years ago

          A tragic sandwich? Say it ain’t so!

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    • sufferforsnakes

      3 years ago

      I think you are an idiot. I can’t prove it, but I definitely wouldn’t bet against it. If I had to bet my life either way, I would bet you are in fact an idiot.

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      • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

        3 years ago

        I noticed no one said they would bet their life against Thome using steroids. He might not have but less face it. He was a huge player with a huge head who hit for huge power during the peak of the steroid era. He looked like Mark McGuire on steroids which is ironic because McGuire had to take steroids just to look like regular Mark McGuire. That’s not proof but it is evidence.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          3 years ago

          No one said they would bet their life regarding your Thome accusation because it was a flat-out stupid. suggestion. Also, you clearly have no idea what the term “evidence” means. I doubt anyone with any sense here is taking you seriously at all.

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        • Rsox

          3 years ago

          Why can’t people on a Baseball site ever spell “McGwire” correctly?

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        • vikefansbc

          3 years ago

          It’s McGwire, ffs! Not McGuire

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        • johnrealtime

          3 years ago

          What is the bet against?

          You aren’t offering stakes. I would bet my life that he didn’t use anabolic steroids if you made a sweet enough offer

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        • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

          3 years ago

          @johnrealtime: Obviously Thome is never going to admit using steroids because he never got caught. We already know that a ton of players used steroids and never got caught. We also know that no big name player has ever admitted to using steroids until he was caught. So the offer is purely hypothetical. You are backed into a corner by someone who knows for a fact whether or not Jim Thome ever used steroids. The guy is like Anton with the coin toss from “No Country For Old Men.” You have everything to gain if you guess right and everything to lose if you guess wrong. If you guess right you get to keep on living. If you guess wrong you don’t. You look at the evidence available to you. Jim Thome was huge. He looked like Mark McGwire on steroids even after McGwire was on steroids. Jim Thome’s head was enormous which is a well known side effect of steroid abuse. Jim Thome hit for a ton of power like many steroid abusers (Bonds, Sosa, McGwire) did. Jim Thome was teammates with well known steroid abusers like Manny Ramirez and Albert Belle. Jim Thome did all these things during the height of the steroid era. The question is not whether or not Jim Thome used steroids his whole career. He could have stopped once they started testing and that’s why his career didn’t last as super long as guys like Bonds and Clemens. The question is whether or not Jim Thome ever took steroids even one time. You literally have everything to gain by guessing right and everything to lose by guessing wrong. Looking at the evidence you have, what is your guess?

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    • Deadguy

      3 years ago

      There isn’t a ton of evidence to support your theory of steriod use. There is a definite wave to his career numbers with the peak occurring at age 30, 31, And 32 seasons. Then a slow but steady fall off, common with most baseball players including but not limited to Babe Ruth, Micky Mantle, Jimmy Foxx, Harmon Killebrew, and Wille Mays

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  2. gatewaytothebest

    3 years ago

    I wish Carp luck playing somewhere else

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      3 years ago

      Carp diem

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    • 17dizzy

      3 years ago

      I find it interesting—- all of the recent former Cardinals (released or traded) continually look to attain advise from various other hitting coaches to revamp their swing and total hitting approach—- bypassing the questionable current Cardinals hitting coach.

      Most former Cardinals who looked for outside hitting instruction besides the Cardinals hitting coach—- have found some success after getting away from the Cardinal philosophy of their style of hitting.

      In that case—- I would venture to say— Carpenter would be a good pick up for some other team for 2022. I truly hope he has success and becomes another former Cardinal to show up the Cardinals current questionable head hitting coach!!!!

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      • DonOsbourne

        3 years ago

        Agreed. Jeff Albert is a plague.

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    • Deadguy

      3 years ago

      I’m surprised Carp hasn’t announced his retirement already? He’s been honestly trending down since 2014? It was the power swing that kept his career alive that’s no longer relevant because he’s completely lost the ability to hit the ball the other way.

      There is exit velo still, but where to? Straight into the shift.

      He way over performed expectations in his career

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  3. NYMETSHEA

    3 years ago

    If Carpenter gets a low based MLB deal, I would be shocked.
    If Carpenter gets a minor league deal, I would be surprised.

    Independent, Asian or Mexican league seems to be the logical choices should he intend to continue playing. Japan might be a stretch at this point as well.

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    • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

      3 years ago

      True. He seems more suited to take a one year deal in a different country to truly prove himself before he gets another shot at MLB. He’s been saying this crap about recognizing there is a problem and working on his hitting approach every offseason for years now. It never makes a difference. The only problem with him going to another country is his age. He’s getting so old that even if he does figure it out any given season could be the last year he’s physically able to compete at the MLB level even if he were at his best. Spending a year in another league might not bode well for someone trying to make an MLB comeback at his age. I still agree though. At this point he should pretty much be forced to show he has anything left in another league before he’s allowed to take some young kids major league roster spot when that kid might actually have a chance.

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  4. stan lee the manly

    3 years ago

    Highly, highly recommend reading Rosenthal’s piece in the Athletic if you get the chance. I don’t think I’ve ever read a more-detailed and well-researched baseball article, it was very well done.

    As a Cardinal fan, I was 100% ready to cut ties with Marp after the last few years, but the article made me fully believe that he’s got a real amount left in the tank. I seriously hope the Cardinals bring him back on a minor league deal.

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    • Binnington50

      3 years ago

      I agree. Who knows? Maybe he could be the left-handed bat that they seek to fill out this lineup and since his defense is suspect just about everywhere on the field, maybe he’s our DH…?

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      • DonOsbourne

        3 years ago

        Oh man. I have a ton of love and respect for Carp and everything he did for the Cards. I hope he comes back and has great season. But I don’t want to see him back in St. Louis. The odds are against him at this point and the organization has too many emotional connections to him to make a fair evaluation. Look at the last two seasons and all the attempts to get him into the lineup when there were clearly better options. Best of luck Matt Carpenter. Long live the salsa.

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        • DonOsbourne

          3 years ago

          Also, congratulations to Jim Thome. The MLBPAA made a great choice. Thome is one of the classiest players of his generation and a great ambassador for the sport.

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    • rememberthecoop

      3 years ago

      I let my subscription expire. Did it say if he did anything different from a strength training perspective? Swing mechanics are one thing, but I also wonder if his lack of hard contact suggests he needs to workj out more.

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    • Deadguy

      3 years ago

      He can still hit the ball hard, but never to the other field, the defense shifts him right, he’s dead to rights everytime

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  5. bbcalmc

    3 years ago

    White Sox might give Carp a look

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  6. chipperniner7

    3 years ago

    Everyone keep Ukraine in your thoughts and prayers. So unfortunate what’s happening out there, if only the US could’ve attempted to step in sooner to help defuse the situation (unless it was attempted before? Not big on politics)

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 years ago

      I agree and have Ukrainian friends. Geopolitics is complicated. U.S and world countries have attempted many years to smooth things out in that region. However, there’s very little reasoning with a motivated, wealthy despot. We and other NATO members, unfortunately, have to stand by to prevent the outbreak of a possible WW3. Whatever happens, I hope this conflict ends quickly with the least amount of suffering.

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    • jimlindeman

      3 years ago

      Thoughts and prayers will help for sure! Maybe Cookie Monster and Thor can help too

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      • Chief Two Hands

        3 years ago

        I offer the wisdom of my Magic Eight Ball as well. We must unite! Wonder Twin powers activate! Shape of an octopus! Form of an ice unicycle!

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      • Dunedin020306

        3 years ago

        jimlindeman & Chief Two Hands – Really classy fellas; people are dying and losing their freedom to a megalomaniacal despot who could lead to World War III and you’re cracking jokes about the situation and mocking our Creator. Not funny at all guys.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          3 years ago

          Maybe leave politics and your belief in fantasies out of a sports site if you can’t take a joke. I absolutely mock religious people when they try to push their ridiculous beliefs on others. Keep it in church.

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        • Chief Two Hands

          3 years ago

          By the way, how many people do you think have died and suffered throughout human history in the name of religion, including your so-called “Creator?” Rather ironic when people preach peace in the name of their chosen religions while trying to impose their beliefs on others.

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        • Dunedin020306

          3 years ago

          Chief Two Hands – You ignorantly mock what you refuse to understand. You also ignore those who truly serve God and instead you focus on those who claim to be serving God, but really aren’t. Why is that? What you are missing in your ignorance-fueled hate is just because someone claims to be serving God does not mean they actually are. In fact, several delusional despots claimed to be serving God but in fact were only serving their own selfish interests with no real attempt to actually serve God. You should have mercy towards those selfish people, as they were probably JUST LIKE YOU; non-believers who made themselves a god and worship at the altar of themselves..

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    • rememberthecoop

      3 years ago

      Even more concerning is what if China is emboldened enough by Putin’s actions to invade Taiwan? Just like Putin’s obsession with Ukraine,,China feels the same way about Taiwan belonging to them. If that happens, we could have the start of WW3.

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      • foppert

        3 years ago

        Well my American friends, get yourselves together !
        There is a reason why dictators are feeling emboldened. The once great leader of the free world and human rights security force needs to retake their position. A peaceful world relies on a strong, united USA.
        Thanks in advance.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        3 years ago

        theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/02/vlad…

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  7. lumber and lighting

    3 years ago

    I watched him in BP and he has no bat speed and he slaps at everything.During games he’s obviously sitting and guessing on 1 pitch and has looked overmatched.Big Pass 4 me

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  8. truthlemonade

    3 years ago

    Wow, Brooks Robinson had that position until now? I thought he was kind of senile. He is 84 years old. I remember reading many years ago, perhaps in the 2000s, Brooks Robinson said, “I barely remember playing, it was so long ago.”

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  9. 619bird

    3 years ago

    Carp should’ve gone to Korea or Japan.

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  10. Bowadoyle

    3 years ago

    No way did Thome take steroids. He’s a class act! As Is Brooks Robinson.

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  11. nbresnak

    3 years ago

    Congratulations Jim Thome! Well deserved! I’m confident you will be an admirable asset to the MLBPAA as their new President!

    I wish Matt Carpenter luck with his new swing. It’ll be a long road if he can make it back but at least he’s trying to make it happen!

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  12. bobtillman

    3 years ago

    A couple of decades ago, Don Orsillo asked Jerry Remy during a Red Sox telecast if any player was more respected among players than Mike Lowell, then the 3B for the Sox. Remy immediately popped up “Jim Thome”. Tough to find anyone who dislikes the guy, a rare feat these days. And I remember Kenny Lofton (I THINK) saying something like “Nobody got into trouble that Jim Thome didn’t try to help, no matter how it happened”.

    Pretty good choice, IMHO.

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    • thickiedon

      3 years ago

      Damn, I wish the Astros had never traded Kenny Lofton

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  13. SpendNuttinWinNuttin

    3 years ago

    Carpenter to the Pirates on a milb deal

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  14. Stormintazz

    3 years ago

    Still no correlation for me with JIm Thome and Hall of Fame together in a sentence.

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    • gbs42

      3 years ago

      Is that because he’s a new inductee, or are you trying to say he’s not a HOF-caliber player?

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  15. BaseballClassic1985

    3 years ago

    “to take a data-driven approach to his choice of bat” lolol It’s not the bat, or the data, you just aren’t that good at 36.

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  16. whyhayzee

    3 years ago

    Yeah, maybe Harmon Killebrew cheated.

    Good grief.

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  17. JimmyForum

    3 years ago

    He can’t field, can’t throw, can’t run, and hasn’t hit since a two month streak in 2018. He refuses to go the other way against the shift, can’t bunt, and leaves the bat on his shoulder as strike three goes by. Just stop, Matt. Just stop.

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    • Captainmike1

      3 years ago

      You just dont get your 18 million dollars worth any more

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  18. dsett75

    3 years ago

    Carpenter is probably done, but Votto just didn’t wanna be a d***, lol. And of course he’s gunna say he and his swing feel better than ever. He’s a FA, so he’s not going to say/admit he’s not the hitter he was.

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  19. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Someone will give Carpenter a look, even if its as a minor league invite to spring training.

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  20. Captainmike1

    3 years ago

    Carpenter is one of hundreds of examples of why I want the players union to admit that players should be giving back money when they get a big long term contract and then suck, he should be giving back about 30 million dollars for suck butt performance

    Pay players more when they are young and great and then pay them less when they SUCK

    Then I can support the players union, right now they can go screw themselves for being hypocrites, they want high pay for great performance and great pay for suck performance

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  21. notnamed

    3 years ago

    carpenter needed a head doctor

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  22. notnamed

    3 years ago

    carpenter isn’t going to hit unless he bats first, in the first inning.

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  23. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Carpenter: “I’m in the best shape of my life!”

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  24. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Thanks MLBTR for the Baseball Reference links for two retired players! it’s annoying when that feature is not available for retired players because, you know, typing is hard…..

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