The Angels have listened to offers on reigning AL MVP Shohei Ohtani for the past several days, but Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that they’re no longer doing so. The Yankees, Padres and White Sox were among the teams to submit trade offers for Ohtani, per the report, but Heyman writes that owner Arte Moreno ultimately proved “unwilling” to part with Ohtani.
The fact that Ohtani is staying put is hardly shocking. Even when reports emerged of that the Angels were listening to trade offers, it still seemed unlikely that a deal would come together. Given Ohtani’s unprecedented contributions to the team in recent years, it was always expected that a massive package would have to be put on the table in order for the Angels to pull the trigger on a deal. With the Angels mired in another miserable season that’s seen them fall well out of contention, it made sense to listen to offers on the superstar given that he’s now just over a year away from free agency. Despite those three clubs apparently putting together serious offers, it seems none of them were close to the understandably high asking price of the Angels.
The reigning AL MVP, Ohtani is putting together another historic season to add to his already impressive list of accolades. His power has fallen off slightly, as his 22 home runs on the year puts him on pace to fall short of last year’s 46. But apart from that, his .255/.352/.495 slash line this year isn’t too far from last year’s .257/.372/.592. His 135 wRC+ this year is seventeen points behind last year, but still 35% better than the league average hitter. On the pitching side of things, he’s actually improved relative to the previous season. He’s dropped his ERA from 3.18 to 2.81, increased his strikeout rate from 29.3% to 36.4% and lowered his walk rate from 8.3% to 5.8%.
Given that he’s producing excellent results on both sides of the ball and making a modest $5.5MM salary, it’s hard to fathom a team that wouldn’t be interested in making use of his services. The Yankees are known to be looking for rotation help, having checked in on some of the top available names like Frankie Montas and Luis Castillo, before the latter was traded to the Mariners. They’ve also checked in on offensive upgrades, recently acquiring Andrew Benintendi. Acquiring Ohtani would have crowded the DH mix a little, though the Yanks were surely willing to find a way to work with that situation for such a historic player.
The Padres already have a rotation surplus but have been considering trading away from it as a way to reduce their payroll commitments. It’s possible that they could have combined an Ohtani trade with a trade of Blake Snell or Mike Clevinger, in order to get Ohtani into the rotation and then also upgrade the lineup.
The White Sox have a solid five-man rotation right now but have been exploring the market for upgrades anyway, with Michael Kopech perhaps working his way towards some load management as the season goes on. He’s already thrown 88 1/3 innings this year after only throwing 69 1/3 frames over the three previous seasons combined.
Regardless of how much sense Ohtani would have made for those teams, it doesn’t appear as though the Angels came close to a deal that they gave serious consideration to. It’s perfectly logical for them to want to hang onto such an unprecedented talent, though this decision won’t provide any long-term clarity. The Angels are still 43-59 and destined to finish another season watching the postseason from home. That will leave 2023 as the club’s last chance to build a winning roster around Ohtani, unless they are able to work out an extension.
That latter course will surely be appealing to Angels’ fans but will come with complications for the front office. The latest reporting indicated that Ohtani and his camp were looking to surpass Max Scherzer’s record for annual average value of a contract, $43.3MM. That number would be added to a payroll that already includes Mike Trout getting over $37MM per year through 2028 while Anthony Rendon getting paid similarly through 2026. That could leave the Halos paying around $120MM per season to just three players. That wouldn’t leave a lot of wiggle room for a team that’s never run an Opening Day payroll above $190MM. If an extension can’t be worked out, then perhaps Ohtani’s name will show up in trade rumors in more serious fashion one year from now.
it’s either this year or the next.
i like al conin
Seems like it is now or never. Why trade him after this deadline when you’ll get much less?
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Wouldn’t a half season (2023) of rental Ohtani bring back more than a comp pick?
Let’s be real here, Angels aren’t competing next year either.
i like al conin
You made my point. If a trade is inevitable then you do it now to maximize the return.
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I replied to Ariana, I did thumbs up your comment after posting mine though
The Angels has refused to go through a rebuild to strengthen their team for many years. This is why they can not compete their owner is afraid to rebuild instead throw out the same players to never make the playoffs.
Fear has nothing to do with it. Arte has shown that he has zero problems spending on big name players and holding them because it makes him more money than if he actually attempts to build a team to win. Its a seriously dumb business plan, but I think it shows how little he actually cares about the game.
Tell your best friend’s mother to come over to my place. I’ll give $70.00
They’re not going to win this year or next though. What a waste NOT to trade him.
Because it’s the Angels. That’s why.
You are assuming they will get much less. Reality is, they are selling tickets with him on the roster so why not keep him? Moreno is a business man looking to make the ownership some coin. Let’s face it, he isnt a good roster builder.
Assuming they get less? Of course they get less– two seasons and two playoff runs versus one season and one playoff run. Come on guy, this is basic math.
I’d like to know what the White offered to the Angels for Ohtani, or to anyone for that matter, to try to make at least ONE meaningful trade before tomorrow 5 pm CST!!!
Well, now the Sox can offer the same package for Soto, so Hahn can, at least, say he tried.
If you knew anything about baseball you knew it wasn’t going to be this year. These massive blockbuster trades despite what fans think don’t materialize over night or a couple of weeks. Simply wasn’t enough time to scout potential talent the angels wanted. For a franchise that makes stupid decisions this is one of their best.
Scout potential talent?
Sir, these people are employed to do exactly that year around.
I’d wouldn’t be surprised if each GM knew exactly who they wanted from each of the other teams and the “cost” they’d be willing to pay
The only hold up on these mega trades are trying to convince each GM they aren’t getting ripped off
For these GMs this is their job on the line and legacy in the sport.
They could easily NOT receive another job because of mis handled trades.
@iverbure that’s not correct… We do know baseball, which is why he absolutely should have been prepared to trade him now. No, the offer wouldn’t have come to fruition the last couple of days… That would be rushed. But this is an Angels team that had a crazy long losing streak, has been without Rendon and Trout, has been below .500 the last 6 years, and isn’t contending this year or next year, after which Ohtani WILL walk away, and they’ll come away with nothing instead.
Knowing baseball, the Angels should have been preparing for several months already so they could deal him at this deadline, even if it wasn’t publicly known. They would have maximized their return now, as no deal this off-season will beat what was offered now. For a team that makes awful decisions, this is one of their worst. There is zero chance Ohtani is signing back with them, so, you need to trade him when his value is at his highest… Which is now.
I’m gonna call this now… Arte isn’t dealing him this off-season either. He is going to see Trout and Rendon come back and think they have a chance, so they’ll hold him then too. Then, we’ll get to the deadline next year and he’ll be dealt for half of what he would have gotten this year after the Angels once again do Angels things and sit in 4th place.
Stop reading after you said you knew baseball. If you knew baseball you would know the trade wasn’t going to happen
I never said they would… Arte is an idiot. I was simply saying they should have fully been planning to trade him these last few months so he could be gone by the deadline.
Your logic is what has kept the Angels as a sub .500 team for 6 years in a row now despite having two of the best players in history. They have zero direction for the future. If they waited until the last three weeks to realize they should be sellers, they’re idiots.
Why would you want to
A. Be so rude over an opinion?
B. Not want to “listen” to someone else’s opinion on a site geared towards rumors and opinions?
C. Think that somehow your opinion is the only opinion?
I disagree with you as well. I feel a trade could certainly be made before tomorrow.
I dont think one will at this point but not because of your reasoning. Because Arte is looking at Dollars (advertising/Jerseys/Tickets) vs doing what would be smart and selling Ohtani at his CURRENT PEAK VALUE.
What if Ohtani has Elbow issues near September. Needs off-season TJ.
Zero value can be had for him anymore
What of Ohtani comes out in the off-season with Trade demands? Minimal value can be gained.
We’re here to discuss it as adults. Try listening and understanding where someone else’s view comes from. You may learn something important one day that stops you from embarrassing yourself in front of a large crowd or it may open your eyes to new exciting possibilities in life that weren’t present before.
Have a great Holiday Monday
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I agree. I watched the Phillies hold on to icons that had peaked. After 2011 it was all over and here we are trying to grab the new wild card slot 11 years later.
Sell value for more upside value.
There was never much chance of this happening
Yeah anyone intelligent knew that though.
Sorry Shohei 🙁
Very surprised the Jays didn’t even attempt it. There’s no way he resigns with the angels
Im sure The Jays did try and were probably told Vlad Bichette Kirk Moreno Manoah and a 73% Stake in Rogers ownership group to start the call
Yikes. For 1 year of control? Dodgers here will pass as well!
Arte would never made a Ohtani Dodgers Trade
Oh I bet they attempted, headline says not listening to offers not that there weren’t any
Moreno isn’t known for making wise baseball decisions.
A clown with lots of $.
Signing Ohtani can go into the “wise decision” collumn.
That was more Ohtani’s decision. Any team in baseball would have signed him for the maximum international pool money they had available.
True but the Angels made it an enticing destination for him by catering to his desire to be close to his family. They also won that sweepstakes and whether you like it or not, they get credit for that.
SoCal is a good market and I could see that Ohtani who respects the game chose wanting to learn from legends Pujols and Trout as good ways to help grow his career
And Pujols and Josh Hamilton?
But having their whole payroll tied up into 3 players. Not a wide decision.
He literally DID make the wise decision here. It’s insane to think youre going to get value for both the best and most exciting player in baseall.
Arte stick stinks outloud, but this is a no brainer.
All of the “he’s leaving” is conjecture too. It was reported last year that the Angels had planned to approach Sho about a contract THIS offseason. Lets see how that goes. This whole saga was the same with Trout.
No he isn’t. Someone needs to remind Arte that he either needs to trade Ohtani or be prepared to blow past $200M yearly payroll. There is no in between.
I repeat, Arte, there is no in between.
There’s an in between. You’ve been looking at it for the past decade. And no, it doesn’t work.
I’m sure he’s excited to never get to the playoffs.
For the next 1.5 years then leave for nothing make bank and probably win a WS
He’s going to hold Ohtani through next year and will get nothing.
“Is this a fake hang up?…I think this is a fake hang up.”
Who would have guessed?
Trout can never ever stay on the field anymore. Gotta sell tickets and jerseys somehow I suppose.
In other news, the Padres are trying to trade for the entire league.
Calm down everyone. Arte clearly knows what he’s doing.
So, not doing the dumb thing.
Arte will never learn
But why should he when fans reward him with so much money for doing dumb things?
Duh! They never were going to trade Ohtani. That was just the media trying to drum up interest.
It’s reported they were listening to offers so not completely made up by the media. Objectively, they SHOULD trade Ohtani and they should include Adell in any package they get so they can convince someone to take Redon contract along with him.
Every team listens to offers even if they have no interest in trading said player. and listening to offers isn’t the same as the media making it sound like Ohtani was on the trade blocks which he never was. Like with my Red Sox, the media claimed the Red Sox were looking to trade Devers and or Bogaerts and they were on the trading block.
Part of dead from the neck up ball club and he’s choking to death !
He’s going to re-sign and all you mouth breathers are going to yell in Dorito “OMG he hates winning.”
I maintain the angels core is good. Detmers and Sando are 2s. Ward is coming off an injury that has sapped his bat speed a bit and if youve watched many of his balls are dying at the warning track. Fletch and rengifo are back and good. If we can find an SS and one more SP (and obviously barring injury). This team looks fine.
It’s just that there’s no evidence at all that their core is good.
What? The they were the best team in baseball for the first 2 months of the season and then Rednon, Fletcher, Ward got hurt.
This team was exposed for expecting Valzquez, Wade and Rojas to be starters.
Walsh went from legit all-star to automatic out, Stassi went from top 5 catcher to automatic out.
There are def problems, but this team is not even close to as bad as theyve looked over the last two months for the longterm.
Like your posts! I do agree they were one of the best until June.
Anaheim has been in the gutter far too long. Ohtani (if resigns), trout, healthy rendon in the post season would be exciting.
this team is not even close to as bad as theyve looked over the last two months for the longterm.
No one is ever as bad, or good, as they look when they are playing well or poorly. But they are 19-46 over their past 65 games. So they are better than 19-46, but that doesn’t look like a .500 team to me. It’s Trout, Ohtani, maybe Ward, or maybe he reverts, a really good-looking Detmers, and Sandoval.
They are 26th in runs scored. Trout’s only missed 23 games, Ward 24, and Rendon 57. Even better health is unlikely to make them a league-average offensive team. They are 17th in ERA, and I am not sure they missed any starts from their front 4 SPs. It’s hard to see any improvement there.
He’s going to re-sign? LOL Angels gonna have 3 players combining to make $110 million a year. Can’t field a competitive team like that.
The Yankees or Dodgers can, but not a team with the Angels payroll.
They have several major league roster holes, a bloated payroll, bad scouting and the worst minor league system in baseball.
Trade Ohtani in the off season if he won’t sign an extension (which he won’t) and maximize value back. Trade Thor, Loup, Iglesias at a minimum now. Play Adell and Marsh everyday and see what you have.
Stubborn owners usually lose…Arte’s the Jerry Jones of MLB. Ton of talent that always disappoints.
The problem with the Angels is a lack of depth. And that will be the case as long as Arte operates such a top heavy payroll.
in basketball you can give your stars most of the payroll. They will take most of the shots.
But in baseball, Andrew Velasquez gets as many at bats in a game as Mike Trout. When you have two guys you picked up off waivers in the starting lineup, like we did yesterday, you have no depth.
The Angels core is going to have ups and downs and injuries. Yet the second any of them go down, the team gets really weak really fast.
The best solution is to trade one star in Ohtani to fill 2-3 holes elsewhere. It sucks, but so does a bottom third of Velasquez, Gosselin, Sierra.
Oh good you’re here with you “mouth breather” put down again, work on your material tool bag
Injuries are a part of the game. The Angels lack organizational depth. Two guys can’t win by themselves. They need to revamp their farm system and unfortunately the only way to get that done fairly quickly is to sell. Unless you want a $300M payroll like the Dodgers.
Oh good you’re here with your awesome “mouth breathers” put down, get some new material tool
The problem is the core is good if they are healthy, but we know they are not healthy. So the core is a problem.
Host: You have a 50-50 chance to win it all. Would you like door number 1? Or would you like door number 2?
Angels: I’ll take what’s behind door number 1!
Host: Sir, door number 1 is the wrong answer.
Angels: I want door number 1.
It’s fans like this which enable Moreno to do the stupid things he does. If Moreno finds a way to keep Ohtani after next season, which is not very likely, he is going to have to spend over $210 million for his roster, and that is a conservative estimate. Trout and Rendon do not look like guys who will play 140 games per year, more like 90 t0 100 in good years.
If Moreno does not sell, MLB, please, make him take the LA name off of his team. We already have the Chargers and Clippers bringing us down.
Rengifo is a horrible defensive player. I hope the Angels do not plan on playing him anywhere.
The fact that they are even at this point means a lot of people should be fired. Idk how you give Noah 21M and think that’s solved your issues. He’s been okay. Like they haven’t made any real smart moves to win with two top-3 players In the league
Same way they thought giving Rendon $245 million would solve something. They can’t keep pouring so much money into their lineup while completely ignoring their pitching staff. Best thing for them to do would be to trade Ohtani for the biggest haul they can get and try to build a contender around Trout.
It’s not the front office, it’s the owner, Arte Moreno.
How much do you pay a guy like that who pitches and hits? It’s like 2 players… 50 million per? Plus how long can he keep that up? Tough call on years and dollars…let’s light up this comment section with responses lol
Their stubbornness is somehow refreshing…
I can see the Yanks and SD trying for him, but the White Sox?!? They literally have the worst farm system in the game. What were they even gonna offer?
That’s what the Sox do. That way they can make it appear to their fans that they tried to catch a big fish.
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True. The White Sox system is rated poorly. That doesn’t mean it’s without talent anywhere. Plus they have young players who are on their MLB roster who were part of their farm when it was rated among the best.
That’’s too bad for Ohtani. I”m sure he would like an opportunity to play for a team that has a chance at making the playoffs.
He just becomes less valuable for trade. Package him and Rendon and move on.
Of course not. Arte wants to build a team like a basketball team and expect each year to be different than the previous 7.
We have obvious holes at SS, outfield, and catcher plus need help in the rotation and in the bullpen.
We’ll keep Ohtani, probably sign Correa, then wonder why we can’t win.
No surprise there.
Arte Moreno shouldn’t be allowed to run this team. I don’t know….I’m a lifelong Angel fan (40+ years) and this is quite possibly the most frustrated I’ve ever been with this team and organization. I love Ohtani and I’ve never been one of those “Ohtani deserves to be on a winning team” kind of guys, but I have to admit it’d be pretty cool to see him do his thing in the playoffs and on a winning team. But if he was traded I’d be worried it would be a complete waste since Arte refuses to invest in player development and everything else that’s crucial to have in place if we got a bunch of awesome prospects by trading Ohtani. And I don’t think Ohtani wants to stay. If I were him, I don’t think the Angels have proven at all they’re committed to turning this thing around. Again, I don’t know…it’s just terribly frustrating and disappointing to be an Angel fan right now. I have zero confidence that things will get better with Arte Moreno at the helm.
I knew they wouldn’t send him, they were just checking value. being an angel fan I’m glad and sad that he’s staying. he deserves a team behind him and an organization that’s behind him, not an owner looking to brand everything. And knowing how Arte works he checks the value of everything. he’s gonna take in all the ohtani, trout, and rendon trio for the next year and then deal ohtani before next year’s trade dead line. seeing as how angels need a nother middle infielder and pitching, I think he may go to dodgers because of that really good prospect Miguel Vargas and pick at dodgers pitching as well.
Angels are the worst run team in MLB
You make an excellent point but still come in second because the Rockies do not have Trout and Ohtani on their roster. But yes, similar stubborn and foolhardy streaks in each owner. At least, the Rockies traded Arenado for something, even if they did let Story and Gray go for nothing..
It was never going to happen. Too hard to judge what is a fair trade and who wants to be the guy that traded the next Babe Ruth? If we are in this same spot next season then they would have to trade him to get something and let him join a contender. Now he is going to probably get another MVP award and boost his value.
Ohtani is not the next George Ruth. Even in his best seasons (2021 and 2022 are his only standout seasons in 5 years in MLB, by the way), his value still isn’t as high as prime Trout’s- let alone Ruth’s- and he’s already in his late 20s.
I don’t think even those teams took the angels seriously, knew they were looking at value, and probably didn’t give serious offers.
If the White Sox were that serious engaging the Angels for Shohei Ohtani they should be equally committed in discussions with the Nationals regarding Juan Soto.
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You would think. To be fair, Soto doesn’t pitch at an All-Star level though. Perhaps that’s what interests them?
True enough regarding Shohei Ohtani. That said, Juan Soto is still the more gifted lefty bat and would fill a corner outfield spot on the White Sox. Soto at 23 is also 4-1/2 years younger than Ohtani.
Because of his status as a starting pitcher, Ohtani would claim the DH spot on days he doesn’t pitch. The White Sox already have a glut of players on their roster who are best suited for DH duty or at 1B. I’m guessing a couple their younger ones, namely Andrew Vaughn and Eloy Jimenez, were prominent in discussions regarding Ohtani and would be for Soto.
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I personally think they should attempt to put together a package to acquire Soto. Unfortunately they unlikely have the depth needed to do that without creating more holes. But if they could in theory make a compelling offer they should. Soto has had success at the MLB level to say the least. Most prospects won’t even come close to the kind of production Soto has already achieved.
This is a marketing decision by Moreno, not a baseball decision.
Great News Trading Shohei Ohtani was Fake News!
You don’t entertain trading the modern day Babe Ruth or else you trigger a 100 year Curse.
I have a feeling that curse has already started for the angels with or without Ohtani
The Angels began the Year playing very well. Whatever happened can be turned around. Bring in new Blood, coaching. Acquire Josh Bell and play him at 1B and if he performs sign him going forward. Make some moves but hold onto Ohtani and retool a bit.
But would a new curse act to cancel out the current one? LOL
He’s likely to be traded this off-season when more teams can determine if they can clear enough payroll. They’ll also want to see what the market is for FAs. Can you sign a comparable starter and DH for under $45-50 million per year? Ex. If Judge wants $35 million per year the Yankees would likely give the Angels what they want & sign Ohtani to an extension. You get a top starter at a “discount” since he’s also a top DH.
They have already served the first 20 years of it, and while Moreno owns the team, the streak will continue.
So Moreno passed on trading a guy at the peak of his worth and risk not getting anything but a draft pick down the line. Artie certainly isn’t going to pay him $50m a year.
Conflicted on this one and the only thing I could think is the right prospects weren’t being offered from the right teams. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily a bad move because you don’t want to trade him just for the sake of getting prospects. You trade him for prospects you know will be the future of the franchise. We don’t need anymore Rengifo’s.
Looking back to the late 90’s and early 2000’s i have to admit I hated the Angels bc they were the one team that flat out owned the Yankees. Chone Figgins and Eckstein slapping balls all over and wreaking havoc on the base paths still haunts me. Its amazing how far this franchise has fallen after establishing themselves as a premier franchise. It even sounds funny to me to say they were once a great organization considering how bad it is over there now.
Wind it back a decade or so. Angels are winning division title after division title. Dodgers are a train wreck with ownership going through bankruptcy and humiliating the franchise.
The Angels actually outdrew the Dodgers despite having a stadium that seats about 11,000 less.
From that point the Angels have promoted the greatest player in generations, signed the greatest two way player we’ve ever seen, and become irrelevant to the Dodgers who actually win.
Great point. I never even made that connection. It’s amazing how important good ownership is. One went down the drain and the other resurrected itself.
That is when I started liking the Angels since June 2002 ( Great Timing ) because they played NL style baseball running game and usually beat the Yankees. Chone Figgins was Great and so was the Back of the Pen.
Well, enjoy watching the playoffs for the next few years while he’s wasted in your organization. I hope Shohei is smart enough to NOT sign an extension there.
That’s a huge mistake for the Angels. Only reason to keep him is to hopefully resign him while he’s still with the organization.
I don’t know why everyone assumed he would be traded? I could be ignorant in this but it didn’t ever seem like the Angels wanted to move him.
I’m not sure if posters were assuming he’d be moved, or were just thinking that moving him was the logical thing to do.
IRT to “planning”, the Angels are either signing him or they aren’t. If they aren’t in serious negotiations, then it more like they “would like to sign him”. And unless they are close, I seriously doubt it gets done.
And what do they do in the off-season? Sign someone for $30M, knowing that will push their payroll to $170M for Ohtani, Trout, Rendon, Iglesias, and some minor pieces? Or don’t spend the $30M, go into 2023 with the same .422 team? And then lose Ohtani for nothing, because he doesn’t want to play on a .522 team?
The smart thing to do is to give Ohtani your best offer right now. If he doesn’t take it, and it was truly your best offer, then he is leaving anyway.
It is better to trade him in the offseason.
Just don’t go to the friggin Yankees, man. Cmon
This was probably a all or nothing type of trade sceniro ..wanted a team to take rendon and noah and throw in a couple top prospects or no deal
Lol what the hell would the White Sox offer? They have nothing.
It seems this team is always in the shadow of the Dodgers. If I was them I would do a fire sale and start over. They could get quality prospects and try to rebuild. They haven’t been competitive in a long time so they should start from the ground up. If they eat a chunk of the salaries they would get better prospects.
I said that several years ago with Trout, and the angel fans were less than enthusiastic about. It would for sure be a PR disaster, but so then is losing. It’s too late to cash in on Trout, but Ohtani can get you a really big score.
I will be mad if I was an angel fan smh
A solid 5 man rotation? Let’s break that down:
1) Dylan Cease – Has been truly amazing and has proven how ludicrously stupid his all star snub was by putting together a Cy Young Caliber year.
2) Johnny Cueto – A guy that started the season on a minor league contract…he’s been terrific, but he is your number 2 on this team…
3) Lucas Giolito (I guess?) – Mixed bag, but lately more good than bad. He could explode for a 5 run inning at any point.
4) Lance Lynn – Atrociously bad this year. Borderline Dallas Keuchel-esque. The hope is he can come into some type of groove, cause he missed a chunk of the season due to injury (like every other damn player on this team)
5) Michael Kopech – Already at his innings threshold, he may not qualify for another win this year.
The White Sox may stand pat entirely, not because they are good enough, but because they have gaping holes across their entire team. They need a SP, a LHRP, LH Hitter than can occasionally hit for power, and a 2B who is defensively solid. Oh, an a new managerial staff that can get on these plugs when they continually make mental and physical errors game after game.
The Angels were informed of Shohei’s interest in signing an extension with the team, He loves playing for the Halos.
Numerous offers on following players:
-Ryan T (relief pitcher)
(Thank me later)
Condolences to Angels fans on the management of your franchise. At least the Happiest Place on Earth is a short drive away, so there’s that.
Good. I’d hate to see him in pinstripes.
No surprise here. Angels fans know that Arte will do everything in his power to resign Ohtani and offer him a monster contract in the offseason. If, and only if, Ohtani rejects Arte’s best offer, then they will likely turnaround and trade him in the offseason.
From a team perspective it would make sense to trade him now, but Arte just wants Ohtani to fill the seats. I will be interested to see what some of the offers would have been.
Man idk if this is Art Moreno wanting to keep his toys or if there just wasn’t a deal there but this is a bad move imo. Ohtani is a unicorn in his second consecutive outstanding season from both sides of the game. Idk if the Soto market is bastardizing the talks or what but the Angels are going nowhere and the haul you’d get for an Ohtani of a year and a half of control would have been outstanding I’d imagine. Maybe they find a way to keep him but I read he doesn’t want to be with a loser franchise and the Angels have unfortunately been that, perpetually. Good luck Angels…your owner sucks but you’ve got a couple of great players to root for still
Horrible franchise with zero accountability or foresight. The Angels are a money grab. Fans need to be more selective with how they spend their $$
EVERYONE SETTLE DOWN. Arte knows exactly what he’s doing. Be patient.
This quite possibly will be the least accurate thing I’ll read this week.
Need a battery for your sarcasm detector? I’m a Rangers fan.
Hint: allinTXXXXXXX lol
It’s really tough being an Angel fan right now
Trout might not play again this season and if you trade Ohtani you take away the only reason people show up to Angels games
Angels fan first. Specific players second. The Angels need to trade Ohtani for all they can. Trout and Rendon’s contracts are albatrosses (due to injuries and underperformance of the latter), and no team in their right mind would consider a deal for either, even if both players were to waive their NTCs.
The Angels have experienced that this roster cannot get them to the playoffs, and it will make it even worse if Ohtani is re-signed for more significant dollars than Trout. Three players making $120M? If that’s the case, it would appear that the Angels are banking on supplementing their major league roster from within with cost-controlled youngsters. Unfortunately, I cannot see it with their inability to develop their youth of late: a few bright spots, but nothing to compete with the current contenders.
If Ohtani is re-signed, I fear he gets hurt. I fear his body cannot stand up to the current workload he’s been working under as he ages. I fear the extra $40M+ per year it will take to re-sign him will prohibit the Angels from filling in the gaps with free agency. I fear he will resemble an everyday ballplayer in three years, and the Angels will be stuck with yet another aging superstar underperforming.
If Ohtani is traded, it will hurt immensely as he has meant so much to the fans. But it’s the big picture the Angels need to keep in mind. Winning tends to cure all ailments.
Get something done for the sake of the franchise and Angel fans. Build this team back to the playoff contenders we became used to from 2002-2014—thirteen beautiful years.
Trade anyone not named Trout, Rendon, Sandoval, and Detmers. Get all you can. Reload. Then complete for the AL West.
Anaheim is at least 4 years from contention, so anyone over 26 should be traded if possible since they can’t be counted on to contribute in 2026 (or later). That’s their only path to possible contention. Not trading Ohtani before the deadline is crazy because his value as a potential 2 playoff rental is significantly higher than as 1 potential playoff rental.
It’s very sad what the Angels ownership did to both Ohtani and Trout. They had every opportunity to build a winning ball club around them and they just.. didn’t. It makes me wonder why they own the team in the first place, if they aren’t going to do right by it’s fans and it’s history.
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Such stupid move by the organization they are multiple pieces away from competing and a lot of pieces that need to develop over the years. This would be the time you’d trade him where he’s at peak value.
This is a team with no direction or plan.
I wrote something like this yesterday so I will not repeat the entire comment. Moreno could help his own public image in the Los Angeles area if he traded Ohtani, Syndergaard, and Iglesias to the Dodgers for some good prospects and two to three MLB players. He could get the most he could from the Dodgers, and his team desperately needs the help. The Angels have holes, a farm system currently ranked #27, and it could use a complete rebuild.
A trade like this from the Dodgers could jump start things for the Angels. Moreno is too stubborn to listen to reason, unfortunately. The Angels could still draw 2.5 million with a bad team, but a team on the rise could get even more people interested. Sure, it might hurt to see what Ohtani does with the Dodgers, but your own team will be improving all the while, and it won’t be so top heavy, even with Trout and Rendon.
Moreno will have to learn to spend much more money on his team if he keeps all three players. Only Ohtani has true value to other clubs today.